did anyone else feel a bit of sympathy for the arabs in palastine? i certainly did,7,000 jews telling 130,000 arabs where and how to live in their own land...i think i'd be a bit ****** off....i don't condone suicide bombimg..of course not but these people have been pushed to the limit and after seeing 5 n 6 six old kids dressed as soldiers and carrying guns i can't see owt changing.

I agree with you kirky. I didn't see the programme, however, was it good?

Sympathy and finding the 'reason' behind suicide bombings is often seen as being soft or condoning them - I reckon if you don't seek to understand you are really shooting yourself in the foot!

the programme was very good kathy,it wasn't just about palastine/israel it covered most of the world where this goes off,it included the london bombings which of course was just down right terrorism commited by animals trying to bully the world into their way of life.....

Did anybody video this please! I saw the first part but missed it last night - and really wanted to see it. Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease!

The Israelis have been employing terrorist tactics, both against the British and the Palestinians for half a century. They've also been blithely ignoring UN resolutions over illegal settlements for many years.

Condemn them for it and you're immediately branded as being anti-semitic. :rolleyes:

i can never really see how the isreal situation can be solved to everyones liking.

i completely diagree with using any violent methods to demonstrate your point - it will only make the opposing side retaliate with more extreme methods and so on and so on so nothing will ever get solved.

people willing to kill themselves for their cause must see no other way out, no other option and that must be one of the bravest decisions to ever make. i just don't see how it will ever solve anything.

Originally posted by kirky
did anyone else feel a bit of sympathy for the arabs in palastine? i certainly did,7,000 jews telling 130,000 arabs where and how to live in their own land...i think i'd be a bit ****** off....i don't condone suicide bombimg..of course not but these people have been pushed to the limit and after seeing 5 n 6 six old kids dressed as soldiers and carrying guns i can't see owt changing.

Yes, you have to sympathise with the Palestinians. The situation there is a textbook example of the effects of mass immigration by people of a culture that is alien and essentially hostile to that of the people who were already living in the region:

http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/aeac80e740c782e4852561150071fdb0?OpenDocument

[Yes I know it's complicated by the Balfour Declaration. My feeling about that is that it was made in the heat of the First World War. Any other country would have simply ignored it afterwards, but no, Britain had to "do the right thing" and stand by the commitments it had made. Also complicated, of course, by the international community's desire to give the Jews a safe haven after the Holocuast.]

[Edited to remove comment based on half-remembered stuff which may not be accurate.]

I guess the most humane way forward from the current situation is the two states solution, perhaps along the lines proposed by the UN at various times. Hopefully the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza will help this along.

Originally posted by CaptainSwing
Yes, you have to sympathise with the Palestinians. The situation there is a textbook example of the effects of mass immigration by people of a culture that is alien and essentially hostile to that of the people who were already living in the region:

http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/aeac80e740c782e4852561150071fdb0?OpenDocument

[Yes I know it's complicated by the Balfour Declaration. My feeling about that is that it was made in the heat of the First World War. Any other country would have simply ignored it afterwards, but no, Britain had to "do the right thing" and stand by the commitments it had made. Also complicated, of course, by the international community's desire to give the Jews a safe haven after the Holocuast.]

It's also a bit regrettable that their Muslim brothers haven't exactly made the Palestinian refugees welcome, in Jordan for instance.

I guess the most humane way forward from the current situation is the two states solution, perhaps along the lines proposed by the UN at various times. Hopefully the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza will help this along.

Captain,

The Balfour Declaration is an extremely equivocal document. Yes, it promised the Jews a homeland, but it also stated that this be done in such a way as not to adversely affect the rights of the existing inhabitants (i.e. mainly Arabs). It is a typical piece of Foreign Office fudge. The Zionists interpreted it as giving them carte blanche to create a Jewish state, regardless of the views or interests of the indigenous Arabs. Therein lies the problem i.e. two peoples claiming rights to the same land. The problem has been compounded ever since the end of WW2 by the virtually unconditional support given to Israel by the US - a support which is certainly not in the interests of the US as a whole. Indeed, it has bedevilled relations between the US and Middle Eastern countries throughout the post-war period and threatens to do so for many years to come.

lee you haven't lived their lives.
just think, not being able to walk freely, being shot at, having your family torured or killed, not being able to go to work, no right to vote neither obviously.
desperate situations desperate measures.

one thing worrying was the kids/youths were wearing, shirts with the names/ photo's of the dead bombers on,a bit like our kids would wear david beckham shirts.

too right

YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND and change the root cause of why these people do it, to stop them.
unlike what blair says its the only way, you cant hide it under the carpet, police it, lock em all up, like drug drealers theres always gonna be 5 more willing to take their place.
you need to look at and understand and try to change the reasons why they hate the west, which goes back decades