I reckon the council should raze the moor as part of their city centre redevelopment. Pretty much all the shops down there are either ****, closed down or about to close down with many retail units doing a pound shop - bargain bookshop - bargain homewares cycle.

Sheffield is pretty bad for shopping as it is, if the good shops could extend down the moor and get rid off the scummy shops then the city centre will be all the better for it.

Probably not likely if what I've heard is true - apperently there are plans to demolish the old Odeon/Kingdom building and I think Cole Brothers too and put a new shopping centre there.

Originally posted by "bassman-x"

if the good shops could extend down the moor and get rid off the scummy shops then the city centre will be all the better for it.
I understand what you're saying, but I guess they built Meadowhall instead :lol:

Originally posted by "geoffbowen"

if the good shops could extend down the moor and get rid off the scummy shops then the city centre will be all the better for it.
I understand what you're saying, but I guess they built Meadowhall instead :lol:

it's a shame though, Sheffield should have a much better city centre than it currently has considering the size of the city. The bar situation is getting a lot better tho, but shopping is still pretty dire. Leeds has good city centre shopping and it is close to meadowhall so why can't sheffield have the same?

The Moor is an eyesore and a waste of space in the city centre, definitely ripe for redevelopment.

I would think moving Coles would improve the Moor - it's the biggest car park in the centre and the new location of this will be at the top of the Moor. While it won't force people through the Moor people coming into the city having parked in Coles will be closer to the Moor than Fargate. Once that happens redevelopment is likely to follow as developers see the benefits of developing close to the car park. The alterations to Charter Row will help this as there'll be less of a barrier between the new Barkers Pool development, Pinstone Street and the Moor. I'm less sure how keen the stallholders in the market will feel about redevelopment, though! Sadly there seems to be something of a mentality in Sheffield (and in the UK as a whole) that a city-centre market can't be part of a quality shopping development.

Not as easy as it sound's, the council can't just build a shopping centre down the Moor!!! first of all they have to find out if there is any interest from trader's who wish to allocate there. It is not the city council who decides what and where, they only give planning permission for busines's who express a wish to do so.

I agree with you, that the place look's a mess, but the council can only encourage the retail trade to have their shop's built in that area and before they will do that, they have be reasonably sure it will be a viable proposition. In the end, it is all down to whether the general public is prepared to shop there. We need a covered area where people can shop in a dry environment. :lol: :o :D

I think if the council had any vision at all would demolish the moor (and surrounding buildings) as part of the city centre redevelopment scheme because in 10 years time its going to look even worse.

The Moor was the coolest place when I was a kid. Red Gates was at the top and it was kiddie heaven. It was looking a little rough by the time I left England some four years ago, but by the time I came back to visit last year, the Moor was frankly bloody frightening. We ended up strolling through the place (on the way to somewhere else, heh) and my wife was scared stiff of getting mugged. This from a woman who went bumming around africa for three months! :D

Originally posted by "cellarboy"

The Moor was the coolest place when I was a kid. Red Gates was at the top and it was kiddie heaven. It was looking a little rough by the time I left England some four years ago, but by the time I came back to visit last year, the Moor was frankly bloody frightening. We ended up strolling through the place (on the way to somewhere else, heh) and my wife was scared stiff of getting mugged. This from a woman who went bumming around africa for three months! :D

You right about Red Gates, It brings back great memories and it was the bst toy shop I ever saw.

Originally posted by "Lickszz"

You right about Red Gates, It brings back great memories and it was the bst toy shop I ever saw.

Until they revamped it and it went bust! Before then it was fantastic. The model train department was brilliant. I remember seeing Father Christmas there every year.

Originally posted by "alchresearch"

You right about Red Gates, It brings back great memories and it was the bst toy shop I ever saw.

Until they revamped it and it went bust! Before then it was fantastic. The model train department was brilliant. I remember seeing Father Christmas there every year.

yes, I used to visit Father Christmas there every year too. I think if I remember right, all my favouriter toys used to be downstairs. I think the toys downstairs were for the younger kids.

I do know they used to sell chemistry sets down stairs. Ahh, the pleasure of purchasing some Copper Sulfate, taking it home and using it to copper plate nails.....

They had the best damn selection of Star Wars toys too. Damn, you could hardly drag me out of the place!! :D

If I remember correctly, as you went in on the ground floor, you had the train set stuff to the left, farmyard sets sort of in front of you at the side of the stairs. Round the back of them you had the Star Wars stuff. I can't remember a great deal of what was downstairs, but upstairs you had sports gear.

How about we try and build up a floor plan from all our memories!

It's so great to see people talking about Red Gates. I sometimes wondered if it was just me who remembered and loved it so much! Yes I remember the train set area and the Star Wars section. It really was heaven for kids, I bet our Mums hated it! :)

As for the Moor :oops: It really is a shocker. Every time I go back to Sheffield I am so impressed by all the positive changes, but the Moor drags the city centre down so badly. The situation could be improved if Ronald was to pack his filthy bags and pi## off for a start.

But the biggest problem with the Moor is the markets. No one with any clout would invest in the Moor with them hanging around. Perhaps the council should give them a 5 year countdown. Once they have gone the Moor would be a prime area for investment and regeneration. It is so perfectly positioned, once you are at the bottom of the Moor you are only a stones throw from the thriving Ecclesall road. It would be such a wasted opportunity to do nothing.

While we are on the subject; remember those 2 big signs at either end of the Moor that were erected some time in the 90's? They were so bad! :lol: :roll:

:idea: Perhaps bad architects, planners and designers should have their arms cut off to stop them doing any more damage! Their bad work can effect the lives and prosperity of people for generations. Fortunately I think we have finally learnt this lesson in Sheffield, the new buildings and regenerated areas are really great I think. Even more reason to start tackling the Moor maybe?

Sorry I am rambling...

Big-up Sheff.

If you feel a nostalga trip for those wonderful signs, they are currently residing in a car park just off Arundel Gate!

If you feel a nostalga trip for those wonderful signs, they are currently residing in a car park just off Arundel Gate

No thanks! :shock:

Went past them on friday, some bugger has smashed them in!!!

That bugger should be congratulated.

Originally posted by "Anonymous"

Probably not likely if what I've heard is true - apperently there are plans to demolish the old Odeon/Kingdom building and I think Cole Brothers too and put a new shopping centre there.

Have a look at this link for the plans of what they propose to do

http://www.bdp.co.uk/retail/

you need to click on 'what we do', then 'work in progress' and pick sheffield.

Also, this site http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/services/del/planning/nrq/default.htm

Originally posted by "Foxxx"

Probably not likely if what I've heard is true - apperently there are plans to demolish the old Odeon/Kingdom building and I think Cole Brothers too and put a new shopping centre there.

Have a look at this link for the plans of what they propose to do

http://www.bdp.co.uk/retail/

you need to click on 'what we do', then 'work in progress' and pick sheffield.

Also, this site http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/services/del/planning/nrq/default.htm

Interesting. It states that Traffic is to be "removed" from Furnival Gate and the Moor Head. Is this going to be permanent then or just while building is happening I wonder?

What I want to know is when would all this be starting and when would it be finishing? Does anyone know???? I should imagine it'll take a long time...

Originally posted by "Foxxx"

What I want to know is when would all this be starting and when would it be finishing? Does anyone know???? I should imagine it'll take a long time...

Yes, it looks like it could take over a year to complete a job of such magnitude.

most of the people you see down the moor have also been taking a horrific beating from the ugly stick, it is a thriving metropolis of uglyness

Originally posted by "bassman-x"

most of the people you see down the moor have also been taking a horrific beating from the ugly stick, it is a thriving metropolis of uglyness

who exactly are you referring to?? i know lots of people who shop there, and work there, and they aren't 'ugly'...... what is beauty anyway. If you are making a sweeping statement that poor people are ugly, since the shops down there tend to be cheap shops, then I think you are being very insulting and should explain what you mean by this. Are we only beautiful if we hang out in the city centre? or around designer boutiques?

Did any get one of those flyers yesterday showing the proposed plans?? Could you give me the web address for the plans that is on the leaflet as i have lost mine.

While i'm here, what do you guys think about the plans, should the moor stay as it is or does it need a complete revamp?

http://www.themoorfeedback.co.uk

It definitely needs a revamp, I don't think thats in question; the question is more how and when?

Does anybody know what, if anything is happening to the area around the Co-op / Castle Markets? Any plans in the pipeline? Links to / ideas on info sources would be v helpful.:thumbsup:

anyone? Planner 1?

I understand that the site will be redeveloped to create offices and hotels. I've heard that there won't be any bars or clubs in the area and the aim will be to try to join up the Victoria Quays to this area so it is not so isolated as the dual carriageway leading up to Park Sq roundabout won't be as busy with the developing inner ring road.

Its going to be a few years before anything happens. The markets have to move first.

^^They're also planning to create some public space with the castle ruins in it.

Just wondered what most of you thought about the redevelopments?

Will you:

** have any reason to go to the moor during redevelopment?
** want to go onto the moor after redevelopment?
** avoid the place as much as possible during/after?

Spent 8 years of my life walking up and down the Moor everyday to and from work. Lets hope the redevelopments improves it somewhat..

what exactly are the redevelopments going to be?
Always wondered why the Mcdonalds closed down there too - always seemed to be busy?

Apparently the new market building will be for food only, and there will be no pitches up the Moor as there are now. Which means all the non-food stallholders will disappear. That will be a blow to me. The Moor is my closest shopping street. I don't find it as unbearable as many SFers seem to. I can edit out the chavs and make the most of the bargain shops and tat. It's amazing what you can find sometimes. I hope they don't try to gentrify it too much, though cracking down on the drunken scum would not go amiss. :)

I quite like the Moor and all its cheap nastiness. :(

it needs a face lift, a nice new look and to get rid of the stalls. they look horrible and attract a lot of bad un's.

Nope. Parkings a pain in the arse, and the place is a hole, and probably will still be a hole after the so called 'redevelopment'. I spent 13 years working down there, the building I worked in is due to be pulled down in a couple of weeks, and thanks to the council forcing us out of that building, 15 people lost their jobs to help pay for re-location.

it needs a face lift, a nice new look and to get rid of the stalls. they look horrible and attract a lot of bad un's.


People like me, you mean?

I loved the Moor when I was a kid. There were lots of bombed-out buildings to explore and we used to go looking for 'skelingtons' :D

We did once find an ARP warden's tin hat, - but there was no sign of the rest of him.

There's only 3 shops I go in down that end nowadays, GAME in Debenhams, Gamestation and Woolies, oh and sometimes Music Zone for cheap DVDs,

There's only 3 shops I go in down that end nowadays, GAME in Debenhams, Gamestation and Woolies, oh and sometimes Music Zone for cheap DVDs,

well you might not be able to go in Musiczone for much longer, they went into receivership last week.

well you might not be able to go in Musiczone for much longer, they went into receivership last week.

Guess that explains why they are 80% cheaper than everyone else, or whatever their POS says.

well you might not be able to go in Musiczone for much longer, they went into receivership last week.

I thought it was administration?

I thought it was administration?

correct (http://www.musiczone.co.uk/) young sir :D

The new market is going to be food orientated but there are going to be other stalls as well. The stall holders presently on the Moor are going to be moved into the new market. There is going to be a new multi storey car park next to the market.
I haven't seen or heard of what is being planned for the Moor itself although apparently it is going to be recieving a facelift.

I quite like the Moor and all its cheap nastiness. :(

So does nobikejohn. He took me shopping there on Sunday for the cheap bargains.

I'll continue using it. My bank is there, and so is Sainsbury's. Very handy for my bus stop too.

I quite like the Moor and all its cheap nastiness. :(
Sorry mate, the moor is supposed to be one of our main shopping streets and it is full of pound shops and is a right mess. The market stalls are vibrant and lively but they are going to be moved to a new location.

What we lack in sheffield is prestige shops and a variety of other shops, not just 2 miles of scruffy pound shops. It is easy to take for granted the state of one's own city, but after visiting cities of similar populations in UK and abroad, belive me I came back and saw sheffield in a very different light. I would be absolutely ashamed to walk down the moor with someone from abroad.
We need the high standards which we have in orchard square, peace gardens, railway station square continuing across the whole of the centre.

correct (http://www.musiczone.co.uk/) young sir :D

Recievership, administration, all means same thing = they gone down teh swannee (gone bust).

Pre WW2,the moor was a thriving,exciting and very busy thoroughfare. What
a mess they made of redevelopment after the war' The last time I saw it,it looked tired,shabby and not worthy to be the successor to the old one that I
remember. Why on earth did they build that large government building right across the road at the bottom. The Moor should be for retail commerce not
government buildings. Lets hope they've learned the lessons this time.

Recievership, administration, all means same thing = they gone down teh swannee (gone bust).

I noticed the shutters were down on Music Zone today. I thought it was a good shop and did buy stuff in there - maybe it couldn't compete with online shopping. Any thoughts anyone?

Whats with this prestige shops? What shops do you want? I personally like the bustle of the market stalls and as a disabled person it's great shopping there because you always get personal service with a smile, the fruit and veg are cheaper and usually wrapped in biodegradeable paper bags. I don't want overpriced shops which claim to be prestigious but just sell the same rubbish but with a higher price ticket. If the moor goes all snooty I certainly won't be going. Atkinsons is not exactly a pound shop or Debenhams. If market stalls are so unpopular how come the continental markets craft markets etc at Fargate are always packed? Maybe you get more Chavs on the moor because the benefit offices are near by? Not that I've noticed any more on the moor than on Fargate and I'm in the area about 2-3 times a week.

If the Moor has the same shops and stuff as it does now I won't go there, like now.

I noticed the shutters were down on Music Zone today. I thought it was a good shop and did buy stuff in there - maybe it couldn't compete with online shopping. Any thoughts anyone?

Why go into town pay for parking when you can buy a CD for £7.49 on Play.com with free delivery which is very reliable and delivered in two days.
Having saying that ordered something from HMV.com and took 2 weeks to come think will stick to Play.com in future.

Plus you can download complete albums these days if your not bothered about a hard copy.

I loved the Moor when I was a kid. There were lots of bombed-out buildings to explore and we used to go looking for 'skelingtons' :D

We did once find an ARP warden's tin hat, - but there was no sign of the rest of him.

Sounds like Captain Mainwaring got to him first. :hihi:

Do you remember the large hole where Atkinsons now stands, it used to fill with water and folk skated on it when it froze over. :loopy:

Why go into town pay for parking when you can buy a CD for £7.49 on Play.com with free delivery which is very reliable and delivered in two days.
Having saying that ordered something from HMV.com and took 2 weeks to come think will stick to Play.com in future.

Plus you can download complete albums these days if your not bothered about a hard copy.

Personally I prefer buying CD's n' DVD's from high street shops, as you browse through and discover new things, wheras on the internet you need to know pretty much exactly what you want.

I noticed the shutters were down on Music Zone today. I thought it was a good shop and did buy stuff in there - maybe it couldn't compete with online shopping. Any thoughts anyone?

The internet has took music over hmv will be next, i get any song for free thats all i,ll say.

Sounds like Captain Mainwaring got to him first. :hihi:

Do you remember the large hole where Atkinsons now stands, it used to fill with water and folk skated on it when it froze over. :loopy:

Don't recall people skating on it but we used to make 'model ships' out of orange boxes and sail them on it :)

We once managed to get in the ruins of the old Brunswick church, - really spooky in there, - and the Porter Brook ran in an open culvert just behind the church. Never tempted to play in that...it stank like a sewer; probably was a sewer in those days :suspect:

will not use the moor until they bring back free car parking
:banana: :banana:

the developers of the moor could do something like this
http://www.bbc.co.uk/leeds/content/articles/2009/04/15/places_wellington_place_feature.shtml
to brighten the place up

Or perhaps because we want something nice they could not do the same as in Wellington Street. What did you do to dig this thread up? I know we shouldn;t be opening duplicate threads but five years?

typed in moor redevelopment and it came up with this thread

just goes to show how long it's took for nothing much to actually happen!

Well it would appear a fair bit has happened, - all bad.

http://www.sevenstone.co.uk/

new shopping centre plans, i don't know if this is of any help?

The Moor definately a mess at the moment, what a shame, used to be great

well the gas board have turned the gas off for the homebargains store so might see some movement soon

Well as for the seven stone complex, it's been put off until 2011 due to financial reasons, and i'd imagine most developing in that area is to be the same, aparently the only work we will see in town is the old central fire station getting pulled to the ground later this year, which has caused uproar, as it will leave spare land, a big unused space in the city centre for over a year!

The Moor definately a mess at the moment, what a shame, used to be great

Yeah great!

used to be great

when? 1800?

Needs more than redeveloping, needs bleedin buldozing and building up from scratch tis a right dump :(

Has this project run out of money? I keep hearing this more and more and work seems to have stopped all of a sudden. Are they having a breather or what? They were in such a hurry to get everyone out and knock down buildings and then nothing. What is happening?

There is already a thread in progress about this. 9 posts below yours.

" What is happenig to our city centre"

Did anyone see the sheffield newspaper today, front page, new plans for the moor!

Yay they are going to carry on building a Threads based environment/theme park and then decide to carry on building more and more luscious carparks in place of pubs and banning cars from the city centre.
Walking into the city centre from where I live is even more of a disgrace than it was a couple of years ago. At least there were buildings there then.
I had a cousin and her bloke up from deep down south last weekend and I had to explain to them what was going off. Total joke.

Did anyone see the sheffield newspaper today, front page, new plans for the moor!

Details of revised plans...

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/First-look-at-Sheffield39s-new.5333512.jp

oooh, the haters of sevenstone are going to have a field day with that one!
Thanks for posting greybeard, i didnt actually get the paper, was just told about the article.

Apparently when Moorfoot and the block with Yorkshire Bank in both come down the council might be reopening the link through to London Road and hope to have new retail blocks along there.

would that be a good thing, is that what goes by the old MFI?:rolleyes:

What is it with the star and small hard to see images, which should be larger so people who cant see that well have a chance to view them.

It would also show off the detail rather than blobs of color.

I was somewhat amused by the few comments on the Star site,I have to wonder if the people commenting there are members on this forum.
Yet again people are mumbling and finding fault before they've even seen any detailed plans. I'm also curious as to where the info that the Yorkshire bank block and the Manpower building [sorry I still call it that] are going to come down, I still say opening up the gate and walkway through that building would be a good idea.

Good grief, it looks like a Lowry painting...

"And he painted matchstalk chavs with matchstalk dangerous dogs,
he painted tramps with bottles of meths sleeping in the bogs,
and when it finally gets done, it'll be over run with scum
and full of matchstalk chavs with matchstalk dangerous dogs..." :hihi::hihi::hihi:

Ive been in town a couple of time's this week to get a few pressies for the kid's and what have you, and it's a real struggle in town as theres hardley any shops.
When will the moor be finished it's truelly shocking at the moment in town.:(

Knowing this council in about 20 years time, then after 5 years they will knock it down again.

Knowing this council in about 20 years time, then after 5 years they will knock it down again.

Your most probably right there escort, i know people say go to meadowhall but it's a right mission from Gleadless if you don't drive and especially if you have quite a lot of bag's and the kid's in tow then it's a complete nightmare.

Well the new plans for the market have been given approval, but the work won`t start for a while yet!so I reckon just over a year maybe a year and a half.

Sheffield is in decline. It is on a downward spiral.

Sheffield is in decline. It is on a downward spiral.

Here we go again!another moaning Sheffield forumer!:roll:

Sheffield is in decline. It is on a downward spiral.

Do you get out much? Because compared with most places I visit, Sheffield is looking pretty good. Some shops have gone because of the recession, but most seem to be holding up OK.

The Moor is looking a bit poor because of the on-off Sevenstones development, but give it a few years and...

Could be worse though - have you seen the enormous hole in the middle of Bradford. And don't even get me started on Rotherham:rant:

Sheffield City centres looking good??????????????
Where have u been visiting lately beiruit?

I live in the Centre and, to be honest, it's looking better than ever.
Sure, the Moor has pretty much half shut down due to redevelopment but it was horrendous down there before anyway, almost as bad as the Castle Market area of Town.

The rest of Town (Fargate, Orchard Square, Division Street etc.) are looking pretty good lately and sell almost everything you could need to buy, for Christmas anyway.

Fargate is small in my opinion for a City this size and aint that good, its full of all and sundry because theres hardley anywhere else for people to go to sell or trade.
West street and division street is student based so theres nowt there for me, orchard square is crap and has about 12 shops.

To be honest with you, the Moor was full of crap before they knocked it down anyway, all they did was get rid of a few pound shops. Plenty of other shops elsewhere...

But Sheffield city centre is nowhere near as good as other city centres of similar size. We have Meadowhall though

According to forecast....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izQB2-Kmiic

have you seen the enormous hole in the middle of Bradford.

I thought that WAS Bradford. ;)

Fargate is small in my opinion for a City this size and aint that good

Take away the phone shops and there's not much left.

Be great to have a city finnished up like manchester

Manchester, twinned with Helsinki...

Take away the phone shops and there's not much left.

Rubbish. There are tons of shops thriving in Sheffield.

Rubbish. There are tons of shops thriving in Sheffield.

You've spelled 'tens' wrong.

It will be finished roughly the same time Wednesday get some investment

I live in the Centre and, to be honest, it's looking better than ever.
Sure, the Moor has pretty much half shut down due to redevelopment but it was horrendous down there before anyway, almost as bad as the Castle Market area of Town.

The rest of Town (Fargate, Orchard Square, Division Street etc.) are looking pretty good lately and sell almost everything you could need to buy, for Christmas anyway.

I agree, I live in town. I was showing someone who hasn't been to Sheffield in ages where I live (West One). We walked through the Plaza, past Devonshire Green and up to the Old House at night. Their reaction was "oh, its just like being on holiday round here. I thought Sheffield was still horrible."

When will The Moor be finished? They'll need to start first :)

sheffield is like a small town in terms of shops.

sheffield is like a small town in terms of shops.

That's just rubbish! How many small towns have a John Lewis for a start?

That's just rubbish! How many small towns have a John Lewis for a start? And a Meadowhell and a Crystal peaks to lure all the spenders out of the town centre ?? The council agree to proposals for new shopping complexes so the onus on town centre shopping, or the lack of it lies with them..... I deliver to a group of trendy clothing stores and the meadowhell branch constantly kick central sheffield branch's arse with size of deliveries, by a big margin..... What does that tell you ?



Any posters from Bovveram please feel free to post your comments on Parkgate and its influence/state on the town centre.. ;)

Do you get out much? Because compared with most places I visit, Sheffield is looking pretty good. Some shops have gone because of the recession, but most seem to be holding up OK.

The Moor is looking a bit poor because of the on-off Sevenstones development, but give it a few years and...
Could be worse though - have you seen the enormous hole in the middle of Bradford. And don't even get me started on Rotherham:rant:

I didn't realise that 'Sevenstone', included The Moor. :huh:

That's just rubbish! How many small towns have a John Lewis for a start?

I think he meant number, not size

I had a lecture from Andy Topley from Creative Sheffield, one of the organisations responsible for the Sevenstone development and he basically said that work would start in early 2010, so not too far off. The economic downturn hit them hard.

I think he meant number, not size

quite. the john lewis in sheffield is awful too.

Not in our live time.

Oh dear the sheffield forum naysayers and doom mongers flock to any given thread like flies round cow pat.

Wheh i get friends and family from out of town and take them through the station square, the new electric works development, the pedestrian route up norfolk street with the mosaic waterfall and lights, to arundel gate (now de-dual carriageway-ed and much better looking) through surrey street, the millenum galleries and winter gardens, peace garden millenium square, the new buioldings with all the posh coffee shops and terraces, fargate, barker's pool all done up with fountains, up division street to the newly done Green and west one, down west street to the newly done and quite breathtaking Leopold Square, and through the newly expanded orchard square, and then to fargate- well they are knackered for one, but on the whole really impressed.

even more impressive is that the cruddy old moor which was always an eyesore, is getting the biggest makeover going, and the sevenstones programme was never going to be a quick fix but longer term we will have an amazing offering to suit all the shopaholics...

so, come on admit it, it's not SOooooo bad, is it?

Oh dear the sheffield forum naysayers and doom mongers flock to any given thread like flies round cow pat.

Wheh i get friends and family from out of town and take them through the station square, the new electric works development, the pedestrian route up norfolk street with the mosaic waterfall and lights, to arundel gate (now de-dual carriageway-ed and much better looking) through surrey street, the millenum galleries and winter gardens, peace garden millenium square, the new buioldings with all the posh coffee shops and terraces, fargate, barker's pool all done up with fountains, up division street to the newly done Green and west one, down west street to the newly done and quite breathtaking Leopold Square, and through the newly expanded orchard square, and then to fargate- well they are knackered for one, but on the whole really impressed.

even more impressive is that the cruddy old moor which was always an eyesore, is getting the biggest makeover going, and the sevenstones programme was never going to be a quick fix but longer term we will have an amazing offering to suit all the shopaholics...

so, come on admit it, it's not SOooooo bad, is it?

Spot on :thumbsup:

That's just rubbish! How many small towns have a John Lewis for a start?

http://www.johnlewis.com/Shops/DSRegion.aspx?Id=3

Norwich
Solihull
Peterborough

Shall I go on with other such major centres of shopping?!

http://www.johnlewis.com/Shops/DSRegion.aspx?Id=3

Norwich
Solihull
Peterborough

Shall I go on with other such major centres of shopping?!

What do you call a small town?

Norwich - 132,000, with a travel to work population of 376,000
Solihull - 200,000
Peterborough - 163,000

OK, a third the size of sheffield, but not small towns, surely?

I didn't realise that 'Sevenstone', included The Moor. :huh:

Doesn't cover the area at the top of the Moor - Charter Square, and include the Debenhams site?:confused:

Spot on :thumbsup:



Seconded :thumbsup::thumbsup:

And a Meadowhell and a Crystal peaks to lure all the spenders out of the town centre ?? The council agree to proposals for new shopping complexes so the onus on town centre shopping, or the lack of it lies with them..... I deliver to a group of trendy clothing stores and the meadowhell branch constantly kick central sheffield branch's arse with size of deliveries, by a big margin..... What does that tell you ?



Any posters from Bovveram please feel free to post your comments on Parkgate and its influence/state on the town centre.. ;)

Parkgate (and Meadowhall) have killed Rotherham Town Centre. If you want tat, and obnoxious people, it's the place to go. Otherwise, I'd advise you to stay clear

http://www.johnlewis.com/Shops/DSRegion.aspx?Id=3

Norwich
Solihull
Peterborough

Shall I go on with other such major centres of shopping?!

Small towns?! :confused:

Solihull might be classed as a suburban centre of retail but is still a pretty heavily populated area and Norwich and Peterborough might only be small/mid sized cities but certainly not 'small towns'.

Having said that, Norwich has been outperforming Sheffield City Centre and Meadowhall in almost all criteria and rankings leagues for years which given the smaller size of Norwich and the population of Sheffield is embarrassing really. I love Norwich but it punches above its weight in many ways and Sheffield is just nothing in comparison, from a retail point of view.

sevenstone is not going to take up any of the Moor properties as the top of the Moor is where McDonaalds used to be and sevenstone only starts with the buildings near the bottom of cambridge street and it will take up the land where the Grovenor hotel, the red brick fire station, Cambridge street itself and John Lewis are at present which means we'll lose the Yorkshiremans Arms as well.. The fascades along Pinstone street I believe are safe.
The development at the bottom of the Moor is a new indoor market to replace castle market but people will see that the public rrealm, the Moor itself is going to get a make over wwhich will be happening before the market building is probably finished..

Sheffield City centre is a craphouse as far as shops are concerned it's a fact!

Nottingham and Leeds are regional shopping centres.
Sheffield centre is not. Without John Lewis it would be nowhere.

I don't buy the whole Meadowhall thing.

Other cities have large indoor shopping centres on their doorstep and are streets ahead of Sheffield. Look at Newcastle and The Metro Centre.

It's only in recent years Sheffield has started to open some shops on a Sunday, even then it's dead. In many main cities a Sunday is exactly the same as a Saturday. But then that's another argument.

excuse me but we have loads of places to go..its not just town n thats it, we have meadowhall, woodseats, loads of little shopping bits. If you dont like sheffield then you know what to do dont you...move somewhere else or stop moaning about it and put up with it.

excuse me but we have loads of places to go..its not just town n thats it, we have meadowhall, woodseats, loads of little shopping bits. If you dont like sheffield then you know what to do dont you...move somewhere else or stop moaning about it and put up with it.

pmsl, yes i'm going to go up to woodseats to do my christmas shopping :hihi:

I don't buy the whole Meadowhall thing.

Other cities have large indoor shopping centres on their doorstep and are streets ahead of Sheffield. Look at Newcastle and The Metro Centre.

It's only in recent years Sheffield has started to open some shops on a Sunday, even then it's dead. In many main cities a Sunday is exactly the same as a Saturday. But then that's another argument.

which other cities apart from newcastle? newcastle can easily be explained - look at its location and nearby cities and you'll realise why both can prosper

Trafford Centre - Manchester.

And there are loads more people within easy reach of Sheffield (inc. the population of the city itself) than there are of Newcastle and The Metro Centre.

Trafford Centre - Manchester.

And there are loads more people within easy reach of Sheffield (inc. the population of the city itself) than there are of Newcastle and The Metro Centre.

you miss the point. people in the north east have few options apart from newcastle or the metro centre. people in sheffield can go shopping in leeds or manchester.

i'll give you manchester though.

Granted, but there are a hell of a lot less people.

http://www.johnlewis.com/Shops/DSRegion.aspx?Id=3

Norwich
Solihull
Peterborough

Shall I go on with other such major centres of shopping?!

Norwich is a city not a town

Sheffield City centre is a craphouse as far as shops are concerned it's a fact!

No - that's an opinion.

I find shopping in Sheffield centre is hard work and I don't take any pleasure in it. On the other hand I adore Manchester, Leeds and Norwich and would happily go on day trips there for a bit of xmas shopping and a nice lunch. It's not always about the shops, most high streets are pretty generic anyway, but about the experience. Birmingham has great shops and the bullring is clean and undercover but the whole place lacks atmosphere. Norwich is small, but it has got a great charm that I would love Sheffield to have. For example Chapel Walk could be brought back to life with some less tacky shops and a tidy up. Just my humble opinion though!
On another note, does anyone know if there will be a new GAP opening in the city centre?

No - that's an opinion.

No it's a fact, now run along :hihi:

Well move out of sheff then if you think that...i dont like it much but i dont complain about it..whats point. just for sad little people this post

Sheffield City centre is a craphouse as far as shops are concerned it's a fact!

100% agree...what a dump..Nottingham is a million times better than Sheffield for shops..although does anyone really care? In the future, physically present retail shops wont exist anyway, they will all be virtual shops online......I NEVER buy anything unless its on my laptop, with the exception of beer and coffee and 'meals out'.

I find shopping in Sheffield centre is hard work and I don't take any pleasure in it. On the other hand I adore Manchester, Leeds and Norwich and would happily go on day trips there for a bit of xmas shopping and a nice lunch. It's not always about the shops, most high streets are pretty generic anyway, but about the experience. Birmingham has great shops and the bullring is clean and undercover but the whole place lacks atmosphere. Norwich is small, but it has got a great charm that I would love Sheffield to have. For example Chapel Walk could be brought back to life with some less tacky shops and a tidy up. Just my humble opinion though!
On another note, does anyone know if there will be a new GAP opening in the city centre?


I agree totally. I quite like Nottingham, park and ride tram in, much better shops and a much more pleasant place to walk around.

I'm glad I'm not the only one bugged by the closure of the city centre GAP.

yeah i agree sheffield town centre is a dump but whats the point in complaining about it? you cant do owt to change it, just put up with it. they are making it better its just about being patient, yeah it looks crap at the mo but at least they are trying. To make things better you have to put up with crap sometimes. just just put up with it, no point in wasting your time complaining about it.

My concern is the long term issues this is going to cause.

This thread has already shown that people are travelling to other cities to do their shopping. Word of mouth will spread, and pretty soon the city won't have anyone using it.

Sheffield is currently off my city for a weekend city break because of the bad feedback on here, and no doubt many other visitors.

I just get so angry that Sheffield tries and fails with everything it does. Its no longer a city of pride, but a city of embarrassment.

My concern is the long term issues this is going to cause.

This thread has already shown that people are travelling to other cities to do their shopping. Word of mouth will spread, and pretty soon the city won't have anyone using it.

Sheffield is currently off my city for a weekend city break because of the bad feedback on here, and no doubt many other visitors.

I just get so angry that Sheffield tries and fails with everything it does. Its no longer a city of pride, but a city of embarrassment.

like i poste din another thread, loads of stuff about sheffield is great. if the only thing you care about is shopping, then that's tragic.
is that what you do on the weekend? travel to other cities to shop? not go to galleries, museums, exhibitions, theatre, concerts, gardens or sports?

All Sheffield needs is the moor development to be completed and Sevenstone to be built. I think then it will start attracting more people.

Many, many people HATE Meadowhall and if they had an alternative in town I think they'd go there.

like i poste din another thread, loads of stuff about sheffield is great. if the only thing you care about is shopping, then that's tragic.
is that what you do on the weekend? travel to other cities to shop? not go to galleries, museums, exhibitions, theatre, concerts, gardens or sports?

The idea of a city break is to cram it all in. I, like most blokes, hate shopping. But if I'm staying with the OH its bound to play a major part of the weekend. If the city is looking like a building site and there are no shops, its not very appealing and going to make for a lousy weekend.

just saying that it depends on who you are.

since moving here, many of our friends and family have come here for 'weekend breaks', and half have come back, some on their own, as they enjoyed it so much.

grass is always greener - maybe because i am new to the city, i can see all the good things more easily than those with long established niggles and grudges.

i agree though, the moor looks a state, but then most cities have something being developed / changed at some location. the peace gardens, winter gardens etc, are lovely, and worth a trip to sheffield, especially if you are planning to partake of other activities.

why not plan a day that starts at meadowhall, if shopping is integral, followed by lunch in town, a walk round the gardens and galleries, and a show or a film, or a concert? sounds like a packed day to me. ;)

Sheffield is not an embarrassment...im proud to be from sheffield and so is everyone else. I would never say that about where anyone else is from..and sheffield has never been a big city break. can people stop slagging it off...its just like any other city...AND THE COUNCIL ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT BETTER. There are loads of students here and loads of people moving here. PLEASE STOP GOING OFF ABOUT IT NOW

Doesn't Sheffield have one of the highest retention rates of students who come here to study?

100% agree...what a dump..Nottingham is a million times better than Sheffield for shops..although does anyone really care? In the future, physically present retail shops wont exist anyway, they will all be virtual shops online......I NEVER buy anything unless its on my laptop, with the exception of beer and coffee and 'meals out'.

I totally agree, shopping patterns have changed, all of these 'regenerate the city centre' forumers will do like you and I, and get it on line. They want folk to pour millions into the regeneration of the city centre centre in order to go window shopping. This recession might just have come at the right time in respect of businesses that would have failed, had they opened shop a couple of years ago. Your 'virtual shops' made me think of The Shambles in York, perhaps Sheffield City Centre could become a giant version of The Shambles. ;)

I cant wait for the regenration of the moor to start and let us have fresh new surroundings and please let us have some decent shops and not just pound shops and bankrupt stock shops. Im fed up of seeing clothing shops and jewellery stores, we need food and grocery shops and fresh food shops. Meadowhall seems to have increased its clothing shops recently and why? We cant eat cloth can we, we need food stores and supermarkets. What do you think...

i think it needs to be done but without the penny pinching as in ten years it will look as bad as it was before. There needs to be a general attitude change to redevelopement too as most in Sheffield appear to want it to be all open spaces and parks which just doesnt work if you want a new city.
i just hope the moor does get a good facelift and that the sevenstone development comes off too.

Sheffield has the prospects to be a fantastic city with the right money and the ideas, but it needs to be different to leeds and similar to manchester.

iliad that have been building in rotherham should get something going in sheffield, they have some great ideas.

I've never done food shopping in town always thought it was to far to carry it back I suppose its agood thing were all different

Couldn't agree more,the City centre desperately needs a large supermarket.We don't all have cars in which to travel to out of town stores.

Yes, drive in to the city centre and pay circa £5.00 to park, or two of you bus it in and pay circa £8.00 return fares. Lug all your purchases about, if you manage to find anything to buy, good luck to you. :confused:

Is that currently speaking - regeneration or degeneration? Just asking as not much is happening after such a swift knock down of buildings. Feel for the traders down there.