I know some people would like to hang me for saying this but....Could someone explain to me why you ((DRIVERS))complain about speed cameras etc, as ((i dont drive)) and find it hard to understand why its upsets loads of people, if the law says the speed limit is 30, 40 or 50 etc and your over that limit, your breaking the law.... so.... why is it wrong to make people slow down? If people didnt speed they would'nt be there in the first place... like the tv ads say speed kills.. so why are speed cameras - speeding fines so unfair to most drivers?? I dont belive there there just to make money, there is a safety issue to the reason they are there. And driving while on the mobile do you think is safe to do, i know that there are loads of different things to use now in the car for mobiles, but a mate of mine has just been done for using his mobile while driving, and is livid that hes been fined etc:
Do drivers think our roads are safe enough and are paying the price of a few idiots on the road?

DO we have to go through all this again? Especially for someone who does not even drive!

Most of the idiots on the roads are the ones who have no license / tax / insurance etc etc.

Anyway, this has all been done many times before and as you said, you don't even drive.

Originally posted by madowl
I know some people would like to hang me for saying this but....Could someone explain to me why you ((DRIVERS))complain about speed cameras etc, as ((i dont drive)) and find it hard to understand why its upsets loads of people, if the law says the speed limit is 30, 40 or 50 etc and your over that limit, your breaking the law.... so.... why is it wrong to make people slow down? If people didnt speed they would'nt be there in the first place... like the tv ads say speed kills.. so why are speed cameras - speeding fines so unfair to most drivers?? I dont belive there there just to make money, there is a safety issue to the reason they are there. And driving while on the mobile do you think is safe to do, i know that there are loads of different things to use now in the car for mobiles, but a mate of mine has just been done for using his mobile while driving, and is livid that hes been fined etc:
Do drivers think our roads are safe enough and are paying the price of a few idiots on the road?

i admit i do drive while on the phone but i use a hands free kit! speeding on the other hand i do speed at times and i know its bad :rolleyes: but this mainly is on the motorway! still it is verybad and if i got caught then its my own fault and i accept that..
i do slow down in built up areas but out in open is when i tend to go over .

I think a lot of the feeling stems from mobile cameras: -

Are they in places/ times needing drivers to stick to limits

eg. Oughtibridge one way system at 8.30am on Boxing Day morning - bet the overtime was good!

eg. Parkway 8.30pm last night at the same time as a Police car allegedly passes at approx 70mph with no lights flashing.

Really if they wanted you to stick to limits they would be more visible and not on blind left hand bends - or are they to make cash?

The debate continues, no doubt.

Who walks across the parkway to get knocked over? Why is there the camera on the parkway at that location? during the day when its busy its impossible to go over 40 mph there due to traffic so when its quiet i.e late at night what is wrong with doing 46 mph when there is nothing else on the road?.

the problem with speed camera's (in my opinion) is that in some of the areas where camera's have been installed then the death rate has INCREASED. whereas in non S.C areas it has decreased.

they are dangerous because people slow down the second they see a camera irrespective of going over the limit or not, this causes other people to brake JUST FOR THAT PERIOD. The better ones that DO have an effect on speed are the point to point ones such as the ones from Bawtry where you get measured over a longer distance.

sorry but a S.C only covers what? a 100 yds ish distance that no one crosses a road at anyway.

They are simply dangerous ticket processing cash generating machines IN MY OPINION - you will have your own.

If anyone can show my national stats to prove that thye have reduced deaths IN THE AREA WHERE THE CAMERA IS then i would quite gladly accept their argument but i dont think you can.

In my opion the speed type camaras which do not flash and you do not get a fine but tell you the exact speed you are doing is the best deterrant for me.

Sometime I forget I have a lead foot and only when reminded that I slow down. There are various ones of these around the smaller berbs of Rotherham and maybe SY police should consider these else where as we all need a little reminder now and again.


As a driver I completely agree that there is no excuse for people to be driving and using a mobile phone it makes me livid to see such a stupid thing going on. Hand free kits can cost as little as £15 so ..... no excuse.

The other thing which enoys me is people smoking whilst driving..... is we are not allowed by law to eat and drink whilst driving what makes smoking so different ... or is that another thread

Originally posted by neeeeeeeeeek
DO we have to go through all this again? Especially for someone who does not even drive!
Most of the idiots on the roads are the ones who have no license / tax / insurance etc etc.
Anyway, this has all been done many times before and as you said, you don't even drive.
I ask because of the way my mate has been acting, simply because hes livid about being done himself - which i find quite funny, he broke the law..... so whats the argument? its just that although he did break the law he hates speed camers, and says they do more harm than good, and i just cant see why, i must be a driver thing..

Originally posted by neeeeeeeeeek
DO we have to go through all this again? Especially for someone who does not even drive!

Most of the idiots on the roads are the ones who have no license / tax / insurance etc etc.

Anyway, this has all been done many times before and as you said, you don't even drive. Like you say, you don't drive, but try and put yourself in the shoes of some (and it's not right to be fall victim of it but still), but imagine you're driving on a dual carriageway, and the limit is 40... When it could decently be 60.

i'm a driver - i'm all for speed camera in the right places - built up areas - high accident spots etc - no excuse for having them on dual carriageways, bottom of hills, after a bend, on roads where there are no chance of any pedestrians shooting across road cos these are money making machines - safety should be the paramount consideration BEFORE one goes up - there must be some evidence to show that there is a need for it

as for mobile phones, smoking etc - mobile - should use hands free no excuse - smoking - i used to smoke so i think it's ok - you can control a car whilst smoking

I think that the 70mph limit has been in existence for around 30 years. If this be the case, then there must be a great many improvements to cars that have come in since then so that a modern car at 90 mph is safer than one 30 years ago doing 70.
Surely the time is right to increase the speed limit?

Originally posted by madowl
I ask because of the way my mate has been acting, simply because hes livid about being done himself - which i find quite funny, he broke the law..... so whats the argument? its just that although he did break the law he hates speed camers, and says they do more harm than good, and i just cant see why, i must be a driver thing..

it's a common sense thing.

All new speed camera applications have been suspended because of evidence that deaths go up where speed cameras are introduced rather than down.
So, yes, it's a safety thing, the things are a liability.

Originally posted by Hopman
I think that the 70mph limit has been in existence for around 30 years. If this be the case, then there must be a great many improvements to cars that have come in since then so that a modern car at 90 mph is safer than one 30 years ago doing 70.
Surely the time is right to increase the speed limit?

I don't necessarily agree with speed cameras, but just because we've moved on tecnologically, it doesn't alter the fact that the nut behind the wheel isn't necessarily any better.

I hate speed cameras, because they don't do what they're supposed to (i.e. bring down the speed of traffic) - they cause people to brake when they're coming up to a camera, and then speed up again once they've gone past it.

In order to achieve their intended goal, they are supposed to be highly visible, giving people plenty of time to realise they're driving too fast and slow down safely.

So what the hell does that mobile camera bloke on the Parkway think he's doing by deliberately obscuring his vehicle behind a bush?! He's trying to catch people unawares to get more money in fines, not slow them down.

Oh, and on motorways, they discriminate against car drivers. Lorries have a lower speed limit for obvious reasons - it takes them much longer to stop. But if a camera is set to snap you at 79mph, then lorries exceeding their own limit by as much as 18mph get away with it.

Originally posted by terrano
i'm a driver - i'm all for speed camera in the right places - built up areas - high accident spots etc - no excuse for having them on dual carriageways, bottom of hills, after a bend, on roads where there are no chance of any pedestrians shooting across road cos these are money making machines - safety should be the paramount consideration BEFORE one goes up - there must be some evidence to show that there is a need for it


Tell me about it, try the one in Rotherham on doncaster Raod near Dalton HALFWAY DOWN A HILL!!!!

I think the majority of us are open to speed calming measures. The cameras are not a calming measure but an enforement measure. Like someone mentioned earlier i like the signs that flash when you are over the limit. My experence with this type of sign is that 90% hit the brakes and slow down.

My gripe with it all is the severity. I know through work of people/kids being anti-social through verbal and physical assult, vandalism, racism and these type of crimes are what keep people locked in their homes feeling unsafe. I see many of the actual cases in being 'cautioned' or 'slapped wrists. No £60 fine, no 3 points and your Motor Insurance will go up.

Also the dangers do come from drink or drug realted driving and those without a license or tax/MOT. You find very little cameras out there trying to catch this type of driver.

Originally posted by madowl
I ask because of the way my mate has been acting, simply because hes livid about being done himself - which i find quite funny, he broke the law..... so whats the argument? its just that although he did break the law he hates speed camers, and says they do more harm than good, and i just cant see why, i must be a driver thing..

Looking for someone/thing else to blame when you're in the wrong isn't a driver thing - it's a human thing ;)

DO we have to go through all this again?

This forum has a thread that - when I last checked - is fourteen thousand pages long. So no, I dont think we do. :)

Originally posted by youwhatref
Also the dangers do come from drink or drug realted driving and those without a license or tax/MOT. You find very little cameras out there trying to catch this type of driver.
Well there's no cameras that can detect a whiff of Stella on your breath that I'm aware of, but there's certainly plenty around aimed at tax-dodgers - see the thread on the Sheffield forum about Penistone Road cameras for example...

Theres some good replys on here, although i dont drive, im hoping to have my first driving lesson next mth to help widen my job prospects :) i suppose for safety reasons the cameras are a good thing, but with what ive read from your views many people would be happy to see the back of them, what do you think could replace them, to make things safer and fair for everyone.

Originally posted by madowl
I know some people would like to hang me for saying this but....Could someone explain to me why you ((DRIVERS))complain about speed cameras etc, as ((i dont drive)) and find it hard to understand why its upsets loads of people, if the law says the speed limit is 30, 40 or 50 etc and your over that limit, your breaking the law.... so.... why is it wrong to make people slow down? If people didnt speed they would'nt be there in the first place... like the tv ads say speed kills.. so why are speed cameras - speeding fines so unfair to most drivers?? I dont belive there there just to make money, there is a safety issue to the reason they are there. And driving while on the mobile do you think is safe to do, i know that there are loads of different things to use now in the car for mobiles, but a mate of mine has just been done for using his mobile while driving, and is livid that hes been fined etc:
Do drivers think our roads are safe enough and are paying the price of a few idiots on the road?

Try this for interesting reading:suspect:

http://www.safespeed.org.uk/

Originally posted by madowl
Theres some good replys on here, although i dont drive, im hoping to have my first driving lesson next mth to help widen my job prospects :) i suppose for safety reasons the cameras are a good thing, but with what ive read from your views many people would be happy to see the back of them, what do you think could replace them, to make things safer and fair for everyone.

Removing them entirely would apparently increase road safety no end. They aren't a safety device, they increase road casualties, they are a money making device for the government.

i drive 40k mile per year.
if u get caught speeding tough luck, the boxes r big enough to see.
speeding in built up areas is worse in my opinion than on the motorway, and hopefully cameras on the motorways will remain only at work areas.
however i don't agree about the safety of smoking etc whilst driving.wot's worse dropping the mobile in your lap 'cos u stepped on the brakes quick or dropping a lit fag down your cleavage or on your meat n 2 veg.
anyone caught eating,drinking,smoking or on the phone should receive a ticket.the potentail damage caused if u r distracted or have restricted movement is far higher than someone with more control.

If they incresed speed limits by 50% you could complete your journey 50% faster. There would therefore be ½ the current traffic on the roads....so we could all go a little faster.

..and is it me, or do the people using their mobile phones always have top of the range cars.....you can afford a 40 grand Beemer, but can't spend £1.50 on a hands free kit? :rant:

Originally posted by willman
i drive 40k mile per year.
if u get caught speeding tough luck, the boxes r big enough to see.
speeding in built up areas is worse in my opinion than on the motorway, and hopefully cameras on the motorways will remain only at work areas.
however i don't agree about the safety of smoking etc whilst driving.wot's worse dropping the mobile in your lap 'cos u stepped on the brakes quick or dropping a lit fag down your cleavage or on your meat n 2 veg.
anyone caught eating,drinking,smoking or on the phone should receive a ticket.the potentail damage caused if u r distracted or have restricted movement is far higher than someone with more control.

and anyone tuning the radio, or speaking to a passenger, or looking out the window or picking their nose. They should all be thrown behind bars :suspect:

Speed Cameras not a problem - except many drivers slow down on the approach and then speed up once past the camera.

Talking on the phone without using hands free sets - the drivers ought to be shot. Yes - I do drive. I detest people talking on their phones while driving as they never seem to pay attention to the actual task of driving.

Worse still are those idiots who think they can text while driving. I have an ex-friend who was terrible for that. What a prat.

The police do not seem to notice all the same.

Dragon

Speed cameras save money.
There is a stretch of road near where I live that was being called dangerous because of the number of acidents. Millions of pounds were going to be spent to take out the bends. Speed cameras were installed and since then no accidents. There is no such thing as a dangerous road.
REMEMBER IT'S NOT THE CAR THAT KILLS IT'S THE DRIVER

Originally posted by prioryx
Speed cameras save money.
There is a stretch of road near where I live that was being called dangerous because of the number of acidents. Millions of pounds were going to be spent to take out the bends. Speed cameras were installed and since then no accidents. There is no such thing as a dangerous road.
REMEMBER IT'S NOT THE CAR THAT KILLS IT'S THE DRIVER

funny, most of the evidence coming out recently has focused on how the addition of cameras has increased the number of fatalities.
How long has the speed camera been in?

Am I going to get slated for this? 30 mph except on very built up and narrow streets is too slow. I find it very hard to stick to 30.

35-40 mph is ok but you do find yourself havingf to check the speedometer constantly for 30 moh zones meaning you cant focus on whats in front of you. QUite dangerous really

some interesting points,here are a few of my own.
the worst thing on the road are the ones who do 20mph in a 30,or 40mph in a 60 zone.like on motorways,if we all stuck to the speed limit there wouldnt be as much congestion,how many times have you been held up on the motorway because some fool decides to do 60 in the fast lane?
drink driving,why do pubs have car parks? why do people go to pubs in their cars,dont say for a coke,there there till closing,not saying all who go to pub are drink drivers but when you get the work vans in there questions have to be asked.
speed cameras.The one mobile unit that seems to puzzle me is the accident reduction vehicle,they are there to prevent accidents or so they claim,so why do they hide? surely they would reduce accidents if they were visible in plenty of time for drivers to see them,which can only lead me to the conclusion that its entrapment and a money making scam,speed flash boards are very affective.
a lot of accidents tho are not down to speed they are down to careless driving especially on motorways when some people do not keep their distance and not just on the motorways on normal suburb roads too,how many times have you seen the odd coming together at the entry to rounabouts,i rest my case for now.

Originally posted by Cyclone
funny, most of the evidence coming out recently has focused on how the addition of cameras has increased the number of fatalities.
How long has the speed camera been in?

The cameras have been working for about a month but there was warnings for about six weeks befor they were put into operation.
The point is that inmost of the accidents which included deaths the cause was speed. had the bends been taken out then the speeds would have increased.
we have been trying get the 30mph limit dropped to 20mph but have been told that there has not been sufficient bad accidents to warrent it. We are now looking for volunteers to have a few serious accidents