8.30 pm last night (wednesday) i went past one of those mobile cameras on the parkway.

in my opinion it was quite obvious that it was just there to make cash.

i haven't got a problem with them as a whole, but, the parkway at 8.30pm on a normal night is hardly an accident blackspot.

in fact it is one of only a few places in sheffield which would benefit from variable speed limits which can be increased and decreased to suit the traffic flow

50 mph is far too slow for a dual carriageway like that for most of the time. it only really needs such a limit during the rush hour and on occasional match nights etc.

the other thing that got me is that the only vehicle that got flashed by the camera while i was on that road was, yes, you guessed it, a police car. it was doing about 70 mph and its lights were not flashing. i bet he doesnt get a ticket though.

I know a few week ago there was one hiding down a slip road off halifax road just after is goes back to 30 limit from a 40.
I did not think they were supposed to hide but this one does, you can not see this one till its too late.

YES. ME TOO! I think I've was zapped. I travel at that time every week, and yes I speed and do 60. I was about 55-ish and noticed it so braked fast - but I bet I've been done! But I agree, hardly a dangerous road at that time.

What's interesting is when I was on Parkway leaving Sheffield 4.15 ish, the camera on that same side had a van next to it with all flashing lights so you really noticed it?

And for info Parway drivers, there was c police car parked behind trees after the fixed camera towards Ponds roundabout the day before yesterday - might not have had a camera, but you never know.

Originally posted by gruff
8.30 pm last night (wednesday) i went past one of those mobile cameras on the parkway.

in my opinion it was quite obvious that it was just there to make cash.

i haven't got a problem with them as a whole, but, the parkway at 8.30pm on a normal night is hardly an accident blackspot.


the other thing that got me is that the only vehicle that got flashed by the camera while i was on that road was, yes, you guessed it, a police car. it was doing about 70 mph and its lights were not flashing. i bet he doesnt get a ticket though.

Maybe the officer driving at 70mph did not consider it busy enough to use them or need to attract the attention of so few!

EXACTLY where was the camera - don't tell me - on a left hand bend?

I listen to Hallam FM in the morning whilst getting ready or on the way to work untill I hear where the camaras are gonna be.

I heard that there was going to be one on the parkway and avoided it like the plague.

Perhaps we could start a thread where the cameras are gonna be each day or would that be naughty of us!! Just an idea

Do Hallam receive the info or do punters phone in?

Not sure but i am sure that some one on here could tell you.

Originally posted by FORE
Do Hallam receive the info or do punters phone in?

no hallam get the info daily, i am sure that its on some website somewhere! try a search on here its been covered before :thumbsup:

what is the law regarding notification of camera's i keep reading about police officers who get off because the sign wasnt the right colour, within an apporopiate distance, the worng size etc

think the bugger got me last night !

i was in the outside lane as i couldnt move over and had a car right up my ass so i was going slightly over the speed limit ! bet ive been done arghhhhhhhhhhhhh

Here's a novel way to avoid speed camera fines...


....DON'T DRIVE FASTER THAN THE SPEED LIMIT....


Call me crazy but it's worked for me. Once I ignored this advice and I got 3 points and a fine :( .

We have laws to (help) create a civilised society - if you disagree with a particular law, write to your MP, lobby your local councillor, keep trying...form a pressure group, stage a protest, stand at the next national or local elections or support someone who has the same views/opinions as you believe in.

You can't just break a law because you don't like it.

I've heard that murderers have been whinging on about how they "feel so oppressed that the poice are out to stop them".....hrummmpphhhh.

Originally posted by gruff
the other thing that got me is that the only vehicle that got flashed by the camera while i was on that road was, yes, you guessed it, a police car. it was doing about 70 mph and its lights were not flashing. i bet he doesnt get a ticket though.
This is the guy who hides behind a bush, yes? Like he used to hide behind the road sign before they got rid of it? It's shocking - I thought camera vans were subject to the same policies as static ones, in that they have to be clearly visible, not hiding behind large objects.

Also, can anyone confirm whether this type of camera flashes when it's detected someone speeding? I wouldn't have thought it does, because it's facing you and it could be dangerous to flash in your eyes when you're (by definition) driving too fast already.

Originally posted by RichD
Also, can anyone confirm whether this type of camera flashes when it's detected someone speeding? I wouldn't have thought it does, because it's facing you and it could be dangerous to flash in your eyes when you're (by definition) driving too fast already. They flash, but record your speed ONCE you've passed the camera, so you can slam down the breaks as you're next to it (or hide behind a big lorry :hihi: )

Oh that how I got away with mine then..... Mind you I was driving my boyfriends car at the time and he was not happy as he has 6 points himself at the time. Douh !!

I thought that camera was the type that normally sits in the back of a van, and therefore can't record your speed when you've passed it. Could be wrong though.

We are both talking about the one on the grass verge at the 'industrial' turnoff of the Parkway, aren't we? Not the fixed camera in the 40 zone.

Fair point Matt Green. like I said i've no real problems with cameras. thought this one did seem to be there on a cash collectuion basis only.

But I do think the parkway is ripe for having variable speed limits. it should be 70 mph for most of the day and 50 at the busier times.

same goes for penistone road. it's a dual carraigeway for miles but has a 30 mph limit (and not many signs highlighting that either). there's no schools or houses immediately next to the road and apart from busy times it seems ludicrous to have a 30 limit there.

I wasn't aware that the mobile cameras actually flashed. Although i have never seen them in use at 830 in the evening before until now!!

Also the police will likely get off, not that they find some actually loophole but that there response is the general 'on official business'

Maybe if they taught kids not use the Parkway as a crossing poiint (apart from bridge!), then the road would be safer. I've got 6 points from doing 7 over the limit but I admit there's a limit in place.

My argument over the 'Dont speed' brigade is the severity of the punishment against other crimes

this camera wasnt inside the van. the van was obscured by a bush and had wires running from it to the camera which was right next to the road.

it had small luminous marks on it as you approached it and
flashed once you've gone past it.

Originally posted by FORE
Maybe the officer driving at 70mph did not consider it busy enough to use them or need to attract the attention of so few!

EXACTLY where was the camera - don't tell me - on a left hand bend?

according to police guidelines they should always use flashing lights at least when attending an incident, and at no other times should they break the law.

They should be issued a ticket, but as was recently revealed in the papers south yorkshire was one of the worst for not prosecuting speeding emergency vehicles.

apparently the british public have a great tradition of civil disobedience. Ie. they simply ignore any laws they don't like. Most of the time (historically) such laws were either repealed or quietly forgotten.

Just because something is 'the law' doesn't magically make it right.

Or do you agree that I can shoot (with a longbow) welsh men caught inside the walls of York after dark? (The law says I can).

Originally posted by mattgreen
Here's a novel way to avoid speed camera fines...


....DON'T DRIVE FASTER THAN THE SPEED LIMIT....


Call me crazy but it's worked for me. Once I ignored this advice and I got 3 points and a fine :( .

We have laws to (help) create a civilised society - if you disagree with a particular law, write to your MP, lobby your local councillor, keep trying...form a pressure group, stage a protest, stand at the next national or local elections or support someone who has the same views/opinions as you believe in.

You can't just break a law because you don't like it.

I've heard that murderers have been whinging on about how they "feel so oppressed that the poice are out to stop them".....hrummmpphhhh.

it's chester not york

Originally posted by gruff
it's chester not york

really, never mind, it makes my point though.

was that mobile camera there all day? didn't notice it about 1pm?

Originally posted by Cyclone
really, never mind, it makes my point though.

The only point it makes is that you're an unreliable source.

A welshman in Chester yes but cant you shoot a Scotsman in York?

Originally posted by alchresearch
The only point it makes is that you're an unreliable source.

whatever.

didnt the national speed limit law come in place whilst there was a petrol shortage? before it was no speed limit

Originally posted by f_g
didnt the national speed limit law come in place whilst there was a petrol shortage? before it was no speed limit

the popular urban legend (although it seems quite believable) is that it came into being in response to speed testing that racing teams did on the M1. In the early 60's someone hit 180 mph (if I remember correctly) the issue was raised in parliament, and a few years later the transport minister introduced the 70 limit.

I tend to view this on a regular basis:

http://www.safetycamera.org/default2.aspx?CF=where

However I bought a Road Angel from http://www.blackspot.co.uk . It did cost £350.00 but has quite easily paid for itself and more. It does exactly what it says on the tin and easily spots the hidden "talivans" with its built in radar detector, which, contrary to public opinion, doesn't have any false activations. On many occasions driving through Rotherham and Sheffield, the Road Angel has saved me. I can't recommend this product enough.

Originally posted by speenie
What's interesting is when I was on Parkway leaving Sheffield 4.15 ish, the camera on that same side had a van next to it with all flashing lights so you really noticed it?


I joined the Parkway from Parkway Avenue at around 4pm and it looked like the guy was just setting up the camera and the van had its orange beacons flashing. If it was still there after 8pm well thats a nice bit of overtime!

I would love to have a banner made with "Speed Trap Ahead" and attach it the the bridge above the Prince of Wales Road turn off :D

I also have a snooper (road angerl type thingy) and it does a great job of saving my license !!!

I was motivated to get one... after being caught on a "mobile camera" on the dual carriageway heading up to wards the meadowhead roundabout on the A61.

The police van was hidden on a side street, i saw the camera box next to the road too late.

It was 8am, i was in the flow of the rush hour traffic. They clocked me doing 36 in a 30. No doubt they clocked just about every other car on the road as well.

If the camera was near to the school on the other side of the roundabout, fair enough... but this was no deterrent, it didn't promote safety.... it was there solely to line their pockets.

Not again though.... snooper switched on !!!!

Heh heh.

I have a snooper, and I have to say that I do get false activations. Far more false activations than genuine ones.
It's set of by automatic shop doors, mobile phone towers, and sometimes power lines. In fact occaisionally it goes off seemingly for no reason I can identify, unless the bushes are emitting microwave or radar.

Cyclone dude, is yours one of the older snoopers? I know other people who had that problem, but the newer versions which we now use aren't affected by anything other than speed trap radar, laser, and camera.

No more shop door alerts !

Originally posted by DaveJames
Cyclone dude, is yours one of the older snoopers? I know other people who had that problem, but the newer versions which we now use aren't affected by anything other than speed trap radar, laser, and camera.

No more shop door alerts !

yeah it is, got it off ebay over a year ago for £50.

I also have the camera locations on my gps which helps, including the common mobile sites.

i dont mind the fixed cameras, what i hate is the mobile speed cameras, i think its very snidey to suddenly be there one day and not the next

if a copper pulls me over i will be fair game youve got me, but its just something about that bleeding van esp when he has both his doors open so you cant see the cheverons on the back of it.

Originally posted by Cyclone
Or do you agree that I can shoot (with a longbow) welsh men caught inside the walls of York after dark? (The law says I can).


That's just plain wrong.

You should be able to shoot the Welsh at any time:D.

get wise everyone,buy a detector

Well the camera was on the parkway again this evening. It was there at 7pm and still there gone 8pm. Van basically hidden behind a bush and the camera on the grass verge. Thats really going to save lives aint it!!! Bloody money grabbing ********. It's a pretty safe and not very busy road at 8pm so no other reason than making money. :mad:

It was there when i drove past at 5.30pm, however it was in front of the bush this time, not behind like last week. The camera was sat at the side of the road, raising money on a perfectly safe dual carriageway :(

Originally posted by dave50
get wise everyone,buy a detector

I think sticking to the limit is wiser (and cheaper).

Well, if people didn't treat it like a racetrack as the traffic dies down the camera wouldn't be necessary.

I suppose nobody has noticed the pile of new flowers just past the camera :rant:

I suppose nobody has noticed the pile of new flowers just past the camera

Probably caused bu someone breaking after seeing the camera on a perfectly safe bit or road!

Well they pre-date this thread ;)

And I'm sure the relatives and friends of the person the flowers are for will find your comment reet funny neeeeeeeeeek

And I'm sure the relatives and friends of the person the flowers are for will find your comment reet funny neeeeeeeeeek

Well it's a fact that accidents have gone up in camera locations. Perhaps they would be offended by your comments and assumptions that they were driving dangerously. I guess you don't know the cause of the accident.

Erm, I think you'll find I said nothing of the sort neeeeeeeeeek ;)

Well, if people didn't treat it like a racetrack as the traffic dies down the camera wouldn't be necessary.

This must have meant they were drivng with due care and attention!

And where in that sentence does it refer to any deaths?

I regularly travel down that stretch of parkway after 7pm, and I have to say I have rarely seen anybody doing 50 or less down there. 60+ is the norm

It is virtually impossible to get up to above 50 on any of the sliproads onto the parkway, so joining traffic doesn't stand a chance if the speed limit isn't observed, and heaven knows the exits/entrances to the parkway are closely spaced.

Originally posted by Strix It is virtually impossible to get up to above 50 on any of the sliproads onto the parkway, so joining traffic doesn't stand a chance if the speed limit isn't observed, and heaven knows the exits/entrances to the parkway are closely spaced. [/B]
I totally agree on that point. I find it hard enough to join from the A57 at 6:00pm let alone 8:00pm.

On the other side of the coin, if I'm coming from the M1 and reach those junctions I do one of two things:

1) Slow down to allow traffic to join.

2) Move into the outside lane.

It is virtually impossible to get up to above 50 on any of the sliproads onto the parkway, so joining traffic doesn't stand a chance if the speed limit isn't observed, and heaven knows the exits/entrances to the parkway are closely spaced.

Perhaps thats why thy have 2 lanes! If you see someone coming down the slip road you move into the other lane to let them join. I have never had a problem joining the slip road, if anything it's much worse when the traffic is busy at rush hour times and not at 7.30 when the speed camera is out. If you are not a confident enough driver to join a slip road then perhaps you should let someone else drive.

the biggest problem I find when joining from any of the slip roads, is that i've accelerated to 70 (on the earlier section closer to the motorway) or 50 (on the later sections), yet often find some idiot doing 20 mph less than the speed limit in the inside lane. I then have to break in order to join the road, wait for a space, pull out, accelerate and pass them.
The number of people that drive down the parkway from the motorway at 50 or 60 is ridiculous, it's a 70 limit, unless it's raining, busy or foggy then there's no reason to be going slower.

Slightly OT - but I guess there are some advantages to a fast car then, I can accelerate hard enough to reach an appropriate speed on any slip road i've ever seen. I guess it's the 1.0 and 1.1 L engines that take 4 minutes to reach 60 that have the most problem on slip roads.

Well last night (5.30pm), after negotiating all of the roadworks in the city centre I joined the parkway - outbound - and stood in the traffic. I crept very, very, slowly out of town, the maximum speed I did at any one point when we did move was 15mph.

I assumed that maybe there was an accident up ahead, or as sometimes happens, an accident on the M1 that was causing the Parkway situation.

Eventually I reached where this mobile camera was - although it was for the inbound traffic - and what happened?? once we passed it, no more hold ups!!!! road ahead was clear!!! 5th gear 50mph and off we went!!!!

Now either people we thinking that the camera could get them across the dual carriageway, or they were looking to see what the Police were doing sat there - either way I think that the Police should have recognised that they were causing a dangerous situation to the traffic coming out of town (I'm sure that they could see the bottle neck approaching them), and moved on.

To think that they are supposed to be there to stop accidents is a joke with what I experienced last night.

Originally posted by Cyclone
the biggest problem I find when joining from any of the slip roads, is that i've accelerated to 70 (on the earlier section closer to the motorway) or 50 (on the later sections), yet often find some idiot doing 20 mph less than the speed limit in the inside lane. I then have to break in order to join the road, wait for a space, pull out, accelerate and pass them.
The number of people that drive down the parkway from the motorway at 50 or 60 is ridiculous, it's a 70 limit, unless it's raining, busy or foggy then there's no reason to be going slower.



Cyclone, the ones doing 30MPH in the inside lanes are usually the ones who wont move across neither. They dont have the confidence to do so!

I admit i drive to the speed limit as traffic flows better. It only takes one to do 20PMH under the limit to see the brake lights come on which creates the domino effect

http://www.safetycamera.org/default2.aspx?CF=where

and the parkway isnt mentioned as one of the priority sites but they have managed to go there twice this week.

Killed or Seriously Injured on South Yorkshire's roads:
Apr'2005: 42 May'2005: 37 Jun'2005: 49

i can see the cameras are helping :rolleyes:

Also the van is parked on what should be a clear way. I am tempted to stick my car on that grass verge and see how long it is before I get told to shift!

Originally posted by f_g
http://www.safetycamera.org/default2.aspx?CF=where

and the parkway isnt mentioned as one of the priority sites but they have managed to go there twice this week.

I do think that speed cameras have a role to play however they are there at this time as they are lijkley to catch a greater number and hence bring the money in

why dont they do something usefull
in rush hour traffic when no one is moving far why not radio the number plates through of cars to see if there insured?

To much like hard work. Sitting on your ass in a van involves mimimum effort and no contact with the people who cause all the problems on the road, IE no insurance. Much easier to target the people with tax and insurance and rob them!

Originally posted by neeeeeeeeeek
Perhaps thats why thy have 2 lanes! If you see someone coming down the slip road you move into the other lane to let them join. I have never had a problem joining the slip road, if anything it's much worse when the traffic is busy at rush hour times and not at 7.30 when the speed camera is out. If you are not a confident enough driver to join a slip road then perhaps you should let someone else drive.
I hope that's addressed at the drivers who are far less considerate than you, and tailgate past the sliproads with their eyes shut incase they should happen to catch a glimpse of their rear-view mirror.

Actually, a camera to catch stupidity would be far more helpful ;)

The camera was parked on the same grass verge last night at about 9:50pm. The more I think about it, the more I start to realise that this is a money making scheme! Cynical I know.

Incidentally, you know when the camera is parked inbound at rush hour because it takes the traffic at least 20 mintues on the outbound carriageway to make it that far. If you are one of the people who thinks that you've got to drive at 5mph on the OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ROAD, so that you can have a good look at the van on your way home; STOP IT please! You're causing a hazard.

If you've been zapped by the camera, how much over the limit were you, and how long did it take for the letter to come through?

it has to come through within 14days, but lots of the mobile ones are not accurate, i was apparantly doing 35 in a 30 (chesterfield road) even though i thought i was doing 30 anyway i got off with it so i would recomend eveyone who gets a NIP who doesnt think they were speeding to write to them because your probably were not speeding.

Originally posted by f_g
i would recomend eveyone who gets a NIP who doesnt think they were speeding to write to them because your probably were not speeding.

I'm glad to hear that it's a highly accurate method! Did you appeal against it or just write a letter to the issuer?

Is there a tolerance? ie. at what speed do they actually send you the notice? on parkway is it 53/54/55mph, or 50.01mph?!

If you are actually speeding then you should pay the penalty, but what I don't agree with is the van hiding away. I've seen it 3 times hidden behind the bushes with it's little black box on the side of the road. And that's just on the parkway. I've visited my grandparents in Kiveton and seen it hidden between a load of parked cars. Cheeky money grabbing so-n-so's.

the tolerance is 10% + 2 or that's what's advised by the association of chief police officers.

So on the parkway 57 would get you a flash and 56 would not.

Originally posted by Cyclone
So on the parkway 57 would get you a flash and 56 would not.

Thanks Cyclone. That helps a lot.

Re the slip road.
The idea is that you join the carriage way at the speed of the traffic in the lane you wish to enter.
And you should not pull out of a lane to allow traffic on to a motorway they join at your speed or faster.
cameras don't cause accidents its the speeding driver slowing down.
Would you swerve to avoid a dog in the road with the chance that you hit an oncomming car?

I always smile at the cameras when i pass them. I have never been caught out by one, probably because I know where most of them are in Sheffield (apart from mobile ones), so I think, take a picture of a happy driver instead

Originally posted by markdp
I always smile at the cameras when i pass them. I have never been caught out by one, probably because I know where most of them are in Sheffield (apart from mobile ones), so I think, take a picture of a happy driver instead

Don't think they take a picture unless the detector indicates you're over the limit, - but you keep driving around with a silly grin on your face if it makes you happy :D

Yup, I was on the Parkway last night around 9.30pm and I knew the mobile camera must be there when the traffic in front slowed to 30mph. There wasn't much traffic on the road and I really can't see why they keep putting the camera there :loopy:

Put it on the corner of Station Road and Furnace Lane in Woodhouse every now and again - you'll get lots of boy racers doing 50+ in a 30 zone, not to mention the motorcyclists with pillion passengers - neither with helmets on!

Originally posted by Cyclone
the tolerance is 10% + 2 or that's what's advised by the association of chief police officers.

So on the parkway 57 would get you a flash and 56 would not.
But don't forget that tolerance is to take account of the lack of accuracy in your speedo.

I know our old astra read high (so was going slower than it said it was) , so yes, it would pass at what it thought was 57, but the vectra Mr Strix had would read 90 when the astra read 100!!

and where were you and mr strix doing 90 and 100?!

Originally posted by Strix
But don't forget that tolerance is to take account of the lack of accuracy in your speedo.

I know our old astra read high (so was going slower than it said it was) , so yes, it would pass at what it thought was 57, but the vectra Mr Strix had would read 90 when the astra read 100!!

my speedo reads high, according to my gps anyway which I'm inclined to believe. So given the tolerance I wouldn't get a flash until my speedo was reading nearly 65. Not about to test that theory though.

Originally posted by Greybeard
Don't think they take a picture unless the detector indicates you're over the limit, - but you keep driving around with a silly grin on your face if it makes you happy :D

Well, Greybeard, I suppose it's better than having a scowl on yer face, which sounds like what you must have when driving :(

Originally posted by Hels
and where were you and mr strix doing 90 and 100?!
On an empty M62 at silly o'clock in the morning :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Strix
But don't forget that tolerance is to take account of the lack of accuracy in your speedo.


No. The tolerance is only to allow for the known accuracy limitations of the measuring devices!

The police are not interested in your speedometer. Just your speed.

Originally posted by cgksheff
No. The tolerance is only to allow for the known accuracy limitations of the measuring devices!

The police are not interested in your speedometer. Just your speed.
True. The way they see it, it's your car, it's your speedometer, it's your responsibility to make sure it's accurate.

Quite how one would make sure ones speedometer is accurate, I have no idea...

Originally posted by cgksheff
No. The tolerance is only to allow for the known accuracy limitations of the measuring devices!

The police are not interested in your speedometer. Just your speed.
:confused: They'd be more accurate with a stop watch and a metre stick :confused:

Originally posted by RichD
True. The way they see it, it's your car, it's your speedometer, it's your responsibility to make sure it's accurate.

Quite how one would make sure ones speedometer is accurate, I have no idea...

The reason for the 10%+2 isn't because of inaccuracy in the police equipment, it's because a sensible magistrate would recognise that people are not machines and that slipping over the limit by a very small amount is not unsual or worth prosecuting. The guideline amounts have existed since before speed cameras were around.

If you want your speedo calibrating it can be done at most tuning centres on the rolling road.

Camera is there tonight, just past the manor exit on the floor!! Stick to 50mph people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if ya mean that grey box on the 2 foot pole on the parkway markets exit inbound... that aint a camera and is always there.

Originally posted by Sony
Stick to 50mph people Is it not a 40mph limit on the Parkway :suspect:

Well I know the yellow box is always there in the 40 zone, but on the 50 zone I never noticed that one.. My road angel detected that one....:confused:

Originally posted by Sony
My road angel detected that one....:confused:

Don't them things detect traffic camera's as well ?

so was it a yellow box or the grey one i mentioned sony?

It was pitch black so unfortunately I wasn't sure.. DO road angels detect traffic cameras too ?? I got it 3 days ago so I am still getting used to it!

from what u've descibed mate i think it was just the grey box (on the markets exit, where the van normally parks) which is totally harmless even to the most sensitive of 9 point license.

either that or i've blown me full 12 points in one week... erm actually, 365 days in a year, i pass it at over 50 mph twice a day, how long do u think i'll get inside for that?

oh well, happy new year from strangeways.

Originally posted by Henrietta
Is it not a 40mph limit on the Parkway :suspect:

you don't drive, do you?

The parkway is a 70 limit from the motorway to asda, a 50 from asda to just past matalan and a 40 from there until a few yards shy of the roundabout, it's actually a 30 limit on the roundabout itself.

The fixed camera in the 40 zone is active today, I'd noted this fact with my detector just as someone came flying past me (well, probably doing 50 anyway) and flash flash. Just so long as the police are smart enough to know which car triggered it as I was doing about 36 at the time and will also be in the picture on the left.

this little **** got me a few weeks back.... good job i got off with it though :D

Originally posted by Dane
this little **** got me a few weeks back.... good job i got off with it though :D

I bet you spoke too soon - the summons will be landing on your doorstep on Tuesday - remember the post is behind due to Xmas and all the bank holidays!

I was driving to work this morning in a 30mph zone, doing 30mph, when I was overtaken by the mobile speed camera van!

I did think about takign a picture of them and sending them a demand for £60, but I was too busy driving to do that!

Who polices them? I think they should have been setting a good example to us all!

BREAKING NEWS

Police in law-enforcement shock horror!

I was driving to work this morning in a 30mph zone, doing 30mph, when I was overtaken by the mobile speed camera van!

I did think about takign a picture of them and sending them a demand for £60, but I was too busy driving to do that!

Who polices them? I think they should have been setting a good example to us all!

ive had that aswell, i tried to grab a pic too... was after its reg plate to reoprt it, but was too fast!

Here's a novel way to avoid speed camera fines...


....DON'T DRIVE FASTER THAN THE SPEED LIMIT....


Call me crazy but it's worked for me. Once I ignored this advice and I got 3 points and a fine :( .

We have laws to (help) create a civilised society - if you disagree with a particular law, write to your MP, lobby your local councillor, keep trying...form a pressure group, stage a protest, stand at the next national or local elections or support someone who has the same views/opinions as you believe in.

You can't just break a law because you don't like it.

I've heard that murderers have been whinging on about how they "feel so oppressed that the poice are out to stop them".....hrummmpphhhh.

That is not always the case, it is very easy to slip over the limit in force especially on a road such as the Sheffield Parkway, people tend to drive at what is comforable, and a limit for a road should be choosen on the speed that people tend to drive, notably the 85th percentile in most cases, unless there are other factors such as junctions ect to consider.

I work in road safety and traffic management, and am of the view that cameras should be used in a certain manners and are most cost effective if advertised by trafic signs dircetly before the area running up to the camera. The Parkway is designed to a 70mph standard, has no pedestrian crossings, and there is certainly no need for camera at the Manor junction at 8pm at night. I am in favour of cameras at certain spots and this is not one, this is the camera partnership making money or putting on a show after a fatal acident, which is more likely to be caused on such a road by some lunatic loosing control travelling at excessive speeds around the corner just after the camera site.

The bull they try and force down our throats about certain camera sites reducing accidents and fatalities can be over aggagerated easily by a thing called "regression to the mean". This is basically when you get a cluster of accidents in a period that spikes and following the data they decide to put a camera at that location. The following year they release the statitics of how much that camera has lowered the accidents and fatals, but these show a unfair picture becuase after you get a spike in accidents, the following year is much more likely to have a lower cluster anyway as the stats go back closer to the average for a normal year.

Also things such as heaveir traffic on certain roads make driving safer by slowing people down, many things come into affect, the goverment and the camera partenership making out the camera did it is bull.

I am in favour of cameras, but as for the Sheffield Parkway, I say no. Other traffic management constraints should always be tried before a camera, one of my preffered but maybe not one of yours is vertical and horizontal deflections, which would obviously not be suitable for the Parkway, but enhacing the signing could be a start as its very bad on the Parkway.

what traffic management measures would you recommend on the parkway, then?

I also have traffic management, road safety and safety camera experience.

Most of the 'facts' thrown around in this thread are utterly and completely wrong.

I was driving to work this morning in a 30mph zone, doing 30mph, when I was overtaken by the mobile speed camera van!

I did think about takign a picture of them and sending them a demand for £60, but I was too busy driving to do that!

Who polices them? I think they should have been setting a good example to us all!

where?

when?

what type of van?

why can't the parkway have a variable limit, like (notably) the M25.
50 on the inbound stretch during rush hour is too hire, 50 on the outbound stretch at mid sunday afternoon is unreasonably low.

where?

when?

what type of van?

08:45 (ish), 4 March (ish)

Attercliffe

White Van with yellow and orange stripes on the back, "Camera Partnership" logo on the side

maybe they could increase speed limits in the non residential sections of Penistone Road while their at it?

what traffic management measures would you recommend on the parkway, then?

I also have traffic management, road safety and safety camera experience.

Most of the 'facts' thrown around in this thread are utterly and completely wrong.

Personally I recommend no trafic management constraints on the Parkway, whats the point of even enforcing it the way they are? There is no real nee to enforce it as it can handle a higher speed than 50mph. There are np ped crossings, the coupkle of junctions are easy to tackle.

But they could start by putting the terminal signs at the recommended 1200 (900 miniumum) size recommended by the Department for a 70mph dual carriageway approach even if it means removal of the one on the central reserve. The repeater signs should imo be 600 not the 300 and they could be at more intervals just like the lone sign on the splitter island where the camera van is parked, to me that is the only sign on that stretch that you can read and take notice of.

They should put up signs just after the speed limit well in advance of the camera, and at the 2 junctions informing people that there is enforcment ahead and move the camera site around the 3 suitable locations I can see randomly. This way everyone would have slowed down in ample time and over a long distance getting the most out of the enforcement as you have covered a large area.

The way it happens now is, usually the drivers that see the camera at the last minute slam the anchors on down to 40mph (10mph under the limt) and cut you up pulling back into nearside lane. Some people get caught (which is not meant to be the point of the camera).

This method DOES NOT WORK at this location, it works at the end because it slows you down before the signals on the approach to the roundabout, I drove down the Parkway yesterday night, you get the odd person that drives 70mph all the way up to the junction before the camera site then slows down, you get your usuall good drivers doing around 50mph all the way, and still get the idoits that abuse the fact that most people are obeying the limit in the nearside lane and think WTF and fly down the offside. The camera site has done nothing as far as I can see.

They should put up signs just after the speed limit well in advance of the camera, and at the 2 junctions informing people that there is enforcment ahead and move the camera site around the 3 suitable locations I can see randomly. This way everyone would have slowed down in ample time and over a long distance getting the most out of the enforcement as you have covered a large area.

I've thought about getting a large banner made and hanging from Prince of Wales Road bridge displaying "Speed Trap Ahead"

08:45 (ish), 4 March (ish)

Attercliffe

White Van with yellow and orange stripes on the back, "Camera Partnership" logo on the side

Good.

I wasn't working that day!

you don't drive, do you?

The parkway is a 70 limit from the motorway to asda

I thought that was a 60?? I always thought the white a black sign meant 60. Then again I've only been driving for a year! Is it definately a 70mph limit??

I thought that was a 60?? I always thought the white a black sign meant 60. Then again I've only been driving for a year! Is it definately a 70mph limit??

and you say you passed your theory test?

Yes, it's a dual carriageway with the national limit. That's 70.
Could you pass this message onto everyone else in sheffield and ask them to do that speed unless conditions dictate otherwise.

and you say you passed your theory test?....
You might be surprised how many drivers (experienced and new) don't know what the national speed limit sign means on a given stretch of road. Try asking 6 workmates (like I did). Amazing amount of ignorance surrounding this sign.

What makes me mad is that the parkway is 50mph; yet so is a road near my parents which is lined with houses (4/5 bed - mainly occupied by families with children) and close to a school (the road is 30mph outside the school yet changes to 50 just after). The road is not straight and in fact has a few sharp bends on which there have been a few nasty accidents... :roll: a bit of consistency would be nice :roll:

and you say you passed your theory test?

Yes, it's a dual carriageway with the national limit. That's 70.
Could you pass this message onto everyone else in sheffield and ask them to do that speed unless conditions dictate otherwise.

Sorry, always thought it was 60!! I am a good driver honest!! At least as I was always under the speed limit rather than over!

If a new law was suddenly passed through, where the speed limit was 30 mph everywhere you go, and if you were caught once it was a instant ban and a £1000 fine, then guaranteed that barely anyone would get caught for speeding.

As a few people have said, if you stick to the speed limit you will never have a problem. If you are worried that you are going to stray over, then I reccommend you stick to 25 mph to be safe.

Many a time I have finished work late at night, just wanting to get home and have come accross speed camera vans hiding all over, placing the camera behind lamp posts as to break up the illuminous border, to obscure them.

The best feeling ever though, is knowing that I'm sticking to the speed limit and to be safe dropping down to 25 mph. That way, we can get the last laugh.

O.k, how long do you think the government would carry on funding these camera's if we didn't speed? Exactly :)

Peace out and happy motoring.

Matt

also the law has recently been changed,

which means the rules surrounding speed cameras that were law, now are only advisory - so they dont have to put up any warning stuff.

don't the changes come into force in Apr 2007?

you driving people crack me up :D

also the law has recently been changed,

which means the rules surrounding speed cameras that were law, now are only advisory - so they dont have to put up any warning stuff.

untrue, completely untrue

untrue, completely untrue

Well if its untrue then why dont you attempt to correct it then ???

I see that "Leigh" hasn't confirmed/denied the correct "national speed limit" either. Wouldn't want to stop us driving at 70 in a 60 area and hence reduce the number of "collars" eh? (Sorry came over all cynical-like for a moment.)

For my money "black bar on white background" = 60mph, unless (apparently) you have a police car (marked or otherwise) or a "Safety Partnership" van, in which case you can always have a good excuse.

IMO the best traffic management devices to slow you down are the seriously big speed limit signs, linked to a speed detector that that light up and flash if you are going too fast. (The one in Doveholes springs to mind). As the intention is supposed to be to slow you down then hidden boxes linked camoflaged vans cannot really be the answer. Can it?

For my money "black bar on white background" = 60mph, unless (apparently) you have a police car (marked or otherwise) or a "Safety Partnership" van, in which case you can always have a good excuse.


"Black Bar on a White Background" means "National Speed Limit Applies". So, on a single carriageway that means 60mph. On a dual carriageway, that means 70mph. The speed limit at the top of the Parkway is, therefore, 70mph. I did double check this with a policeman some time ago just to make sure I wasn't confused.

You are right and I stand corrected. Thank you MrH.:thumbsup:

You'd best go and read the rest of the highway code to make sure you aren't misremembering anything else to.
I said several pages ago that dual carriageways with national limit applied are 70 mph limits.

You'd best go and read the rest of the highway code to make sure you aren't misremembering anything else to.
I said several pages ago that dual carriageways with national limit applied are 70 mph limits.
OMG - Surely you can find more appealing books to read. Lets not get on to speed limits though!:hihi: