Doing a little festive shopping in town yesterday I popped into Betterbuy's (choccie fix), there was this lad walking about the shop singing (rapping) with his headphones on, but basically he was shouting "<removed> white scum", incidentally he then knocked over all the baskets with his bike.

This made me think about a few other musical incidents of late where i've heard blatant anti white rhetoric blasting out of cars and 'walkmans'. It's just made me think how people treat music differently to if someone was just spouting stuff like this.

For instance i've fairly recently had a new neighbour who in certain conversations has shown that he's a racist, but because it's in conversation I can challenge his 'very stupid' views and rationalise his reasoning.


But how do you challenge this almost passive yet blatant racism? :loopy:

Phone the police and tell them what you've told us.

Yes its odd isn't it how people treat music differently. Despite my feminist leanings I listen to a bit of really mysogynistic hip hop because I like the sounds.

It can't be racist if its NOT aimed at a minority group.

It can't be racist if its NOT aimed at a minority group.

This bloke begs to differ:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5934137/Asian-man-who-called-policemen-white-redneck-hooligans-is-guilty-of-racism.html

This bloke begs to differ:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5934137/Asian-man-who-called-policemen-white-redneck-hooligans-is-guilty-of-racism.html

Sadly that statement i made is felt true by alot of people.

Sadly that statement i made is felt true by alot of people.

Yeah, but there's a whole world of difference between true and felt true.

Sadly that statement i made is felt true by alot of people.

Feeling it's true doesnt make it true, it merely justifies a persecution complex.

Yeah, but there's a whole world of difference between true and felt true.

..actually, they might have a point, I feel Ive got a full head of hair and look like Denzil Washington..so it must be true! :banana:

So Denzil, what would you say should be done about this supposed 'racist' music? and what should be done about the people who listen to it?

Sadly that statement i made is felt true by alot of people.

Perhaps these people should open their eyes.

So Denzil, what would you say should be done about this supposed 'racist' music? and what should be done about the people who listen to it?

Why does something have to be "done" to the music and the people who listen to it?

Why does something have to be "done" to the music and the people who listen to it?

because it is racist, so it is wrong!

because it is racist, so it is wrong!

So what should be done to the music and the people who listen to it then?

So Denzil, what would you say should be done about this supposed 'racist' music? and what should be done about the people who listen to it?

..well you're talking to me about something Im completely unfamiliar, so Ive no idea what the context is other than what the OP describes.

If it's racist then obviously I dont condone it whoever it's directed at and it's not helpful for the cause of humanity.

I dont suppose anymore can be done to the people who listen to it, than the people who listen to the racist content of the BNP constitution for example...neither group are the brightest bulb in the box and frankly not people I'd be wanting to associate with.

So what should be done to the music and the people who listen to it then?

Thats what im asking, as im unfamiliar with what the cause of action for this is.

..well you're talking to me about something Im completely unfamiliar, so Ive no idea what the context is other than what the OP describes.

If it's racist then obviously I dont condone it whoever it's directed at and it's not helpful for the cause of humanity.

I dont suppose anymore can be done to the people who listen to it, than the people who listen to the racist content of the BNP constitution for example...neither group are the brightest bulb in the box and frankly not people I'd be wanting to associate with.

Rightly or wrongly the people who run and follow the BNP are given flak in the press for supporting it.

because it is racist, so it is wrong!Sorry mate you're way over his head; only white people can be racist.

Sorry mate you're way over his head; only white people can be racist.

You might think so, everyone with more than three brain cells knows otherwise.

Sorry mate you're way over his head; only white people can be racist.

You obviously missed this post.

This bloke begs to differ:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5934137/Asian-man-who-called-policemen-white-redneck-hooligans-is-guilty-of-racism.html

sigh

white people can be racist, black people can be racist, asian people can be racist......etc etc etc

and theyre all scum, in the 21st centuary we should ALL have outgrown these old world fears

Post deleted.

Do you realise what you've posted (My underlined bold)?

haha

best change that to can be then.........its what 9 hours at work does fer ya :)

Rightly or wrongly the people who run and follow the BNP are given flak in the press for supporting it.

..I'm well aware of that, but noone is denying them their right to free speech, which Ive supported numerous times on here.

Incidentally, nobody is championing the rights of muscians to use racist language, myself included if you read back what I posted, so they too are 'given flak'.

I think the closest I can come to an artistic comparison would be comedians like Bernard Manning, Chubby Brown or Jim Davidson, they're not everyone's cup of tea, but have a committed fanbase that nobody is interfering with.

..I'm well aware of that, but noone is denying them their right to free speech, which Ive supported numerous times on here.

Incidentally, nobody is championing the rights of muscians to use racist language, myself included if you read back what I posted, so they too are 'given flak'.

I think the closest I can come to an artistic comparison would be comedians like Bernard Manning, Chubby Brown or Jim Davidson, they're not everyone's cup of tea, but have a committed fanbase that nobody is interfering with.As a onetime resident musician I once had the pleasure of backing Charlie Williams and another well known at the time black comedian Astor, they cracked more jokes about black people than any other comedian that I ever worked with.
Charlie's favourite was "You'd better laugh or I'll come and live next door to you mi owd flower"
Both were as nice backstage as the image that the regular public got.

As a onetime resident musician I once had the pleasure of backing Charlie Williams and another well known at the time black comedian Astor, they cracked more jokes about black people than any other comedian that I ever worked with.
Charlie's favourite was "You'd better laugh or I'll come and live next door to you mi owd flower"
Both were as nice backstage as the image that the regular public got.

yeah be nice or boyfriday AND tab1 are moving in next to you

As a onetime resident musician I once had the pleasure of backing Charlie Williams and another well known at the time black comedian Astor, they cracked more jokes about black people than any other comedian that I ever worked with.
Charlie's favourite was "You'd better laugh or I'll come and live next door to you mi owd flower"
Both were as nice backstage as the image that the regular public got.

Back then I guess that was just a way of coping. Nowadays people don't have to hide behind self-depracating humour.

I nearly said black humour but then the PC brigade would call me a racialist. You couldn't make it up

Sorry mate you're way over his head; only white people can be racist.

I dont agree with your Statement "only white people can be racist".
Do you live in the real world. Have you been sheltered in your life, try Bradford, Bedford, and parts of Sheffield for a small example. There are racist's across the board and always will be. You insult me to say because I am white I am the only race that is as you call are capable and are racist.

I sugest you re think your statement when you have a clear head.

Perhaps these people should open their eyes.



Why does something have to be "done" to the music and the people who listen to it?have you not noticed that radio shows dont play gary glitter music nowadays ?if enough complaints are made to the radio then im sure they will either cut down playing that kind of music or stop playing it altogether ,the bbc have been known to ban songs in the past after complaints

have you not noticed that radio shows dont play gary glitter music nowadays ?if enough complaints are made to the radio then im sure they will either cut down playing that kind of music or stop playing it altogether ,the bbc have been known to ban songs in the past after complaints

theyve also been known to ban songs cos of NO complaints

..I'm well aware of that, but noone is denying them their right to free speech, which Ive supported numerous times on here.

Incidentally, nobody is championing the rights of muscians to use racist language, myself included if you read back what I posted, so they too are 'given flak'.

I think the closest I can come to an artistic comparison would be comedians like Bernard Manning, Chubby Brown or Jim Davidson, they're not everyone's cup of tea, but have a committed fanbase that nobody is interfering with.


it is music.....this gangsta rap thingy and the words white trash are used a lot...like they also use the n word more often...its to shock....like us punks did many moons ago.....
see me and old denzil are old school......we had the racsist thing years ago...nothin new.....life goes on....
mind you once went on a mate's stag do to mannings club....and he had a right pop at me for being a fat *******....it's an act......it's entertainment just like those gangsta rappers......

have you not noticed that radio shows dont play gary glitter music nowadays ?if enough complaints are made to the radio then im sure they will either cut down playing that kind of music or stop playing it altogether ,the bbc have been known to ban songs in the past after complaints

To be fair though the songs with the foul and abusive language doesn't really get much airplay on the radio shows.

I dont agree with your Statement "only white people can be racist".
Do you live in the real world. Have you been sheltered in your life, try Bradford, Bedford, and parts of Sheffield for a small example. There are racist's across the board and always will be. You insult me to say because I am white I am the only race that is as you call are capable and are racist.

I sugest you re think your statement when you have a clear head.

You misunderstood Linesman. Quite spectacularly actually :hihi:

What he's saying is that, in his opinion, racism is only recognised as a white on black thing and that any reciprocal black on white racism isn't punishable or even recognisable by society.

He would probably attribute this state of affairs to the PC brigade, a fictional movement who exist only in the minds of the stupid to subdue free speech of anyone who isn't a disabled, black lesbian and to ban Christmas carols.

As a onetime resident musician I once had the pleasure of backing Charlie Williams and another well known at the time black comedian Astor, they cracked more jokes about black people than any other comedian that I ever worked with.
Charlie's favourite was "You'd better laugh or I'll come and live next door to you mi owd flower"
Both were as nice backstage as the image that the regular public got.

Im sure they were lovely Linesman, but its humour that is anachronistic to a wide audience now.

Ive often found jokes directed at my colour very funny indeed, but they're usually appreciated because they're told by people with whom Ive developed some dialogue..I do miss poppins on here, who I enjoyed some of the liveliest banter with!

Similarly I wouldn't support the black musicians slagging off white folks gratuitously, it clearly caused offence to the OP and to many others, so thats enough for me. I wouldnt ban it, but I would reserve my right to be critical about it.

mind you once went on a mate's stag do to mannings club....and he had a right pop at me for being a fat *******....it's an act......it's entertainment just like those gangsta rappers......

..aye, imagine how I felt easty, down the Embassy-being fat, black with a hint of ginger ;)

yeah be nice or boyfriday AND tab1 are moving in next to you

..what he dont know is that tab is his landlord :hihi:

Rightly or wrongly the people who run and follow the BNP are given flak in the press for supporting it.Rightfully so but that does not mean their opinion should not be heard. No one has the right not to be offended.

Similarly I wouldn't support the black musicians slagging off white folks gratuitously, it clearly caused offence to the OP and to many others, so thats enough for me. I wouldnt ban it, but I would reserve my right to be critical about it.

indeed, you also need to think out of the box about WHY theres racism, how did it evolve and WHY somebody has taken a dislike to somebody of another race.
which came first the chicken or the egg?
which came first the white on black or black on white racism?

after years of hate and abuse it is natural to find certain sections of the community angry and hateful, its called revenge

its like muslims these days, yes certain sections SHOULDNT be doing the hateful things, saying the hateful things they do BUT you CAN see where the hate comes from, see it bubbling out, see the actions that cause deep distrust and hate

White people are just as much racist as black.

It really is a case 6 of 1 and 2 dozen of the white ones :)

..aye, imagine how I felt easty, down the Embassy-being fat, black with a hint of ginger ;)



i know but what about that chunky stick of rock....

if i was walking down the street and a white, asian or black person was rapping about white trash or anything remotely similar, I to would be offended. If i walked down the street rapping about non white trash i would most likely end up being punched!
Sad fact but it does happen, and i think that the majority are scared to say anything through fear of being called racist themself.

I have heard a lot of this kind of music as sadly my nephew thinks its great and i have to say it was garbage and offensive, not just to whites but to women too!

it cant be racist, didnt you know that only white people can be racist

apparently so!

One of my mates told me of something she had seen on tv - I have to say that I didn't see it - where a experiment took place where those with blue eyes were treat differently for a weekend than those with brown eyes - apparently it was completed in a number of countries and afterwards the other countries all seemed to feel that they had learned something - not so in the UK, where the blue eyed people all kicked off about being treat differently (they didn't know that this was in fact the experiment)... My mate feels that this is proof that brits can't see racisim - I have to say that if I'd been part of the experiment I'd have kicked off too, but I'm pretty certain that I am quite on the ball when it comes to racisim... It works all ways, black on white, white on black, asian on white, black on asian etc... It's all rank and needs stamping out, but for some reason everyone seems to feel hard done by in this country, and everyone wants someone to blame...

i know but what about that chunky stick of rock....

LOL, you'll get us banned!

It can't be racist if its NOT aimed at a minority group.

Don't be so silly.

it cant be racist, didnt you know that only white people can be racist

apparently so!

So you both missed the link to where the Asian man was convicted of racism against a white man?

if i was walking down the street and a white, asian or black person was rapping about white trash or anything remotely similar, I to would be offended. If i walked down the street rapping about non white trash i would most likely end up being punched!

..the same outcome would probably (rightly) befall a black person rapping about white trash on Parson Cross, Manor, Southey Green, Chapeltown, Ecclesfield. Incidentally, I thought you were mixed race, so who would be punching you?

Sad fact but it does happen, and i think that the majority are scared to say anything through fear of being called racist themself. Do you as a mixed race person, challenge every instance of racism directed towards you? I know I never have, the vast majority of people dont, whether they be black or white.

I have heard a lot of this kind of music as sadly my nephew thinks its great and i have to say it was garbage and offensive, not just to whites but to women too!

Is your nephew white? If he enjoys it he probably has a deeper understanding of something that to an ambivalent observer like you or myself might appear offensive.

What made me laugh was the ignorance of some people when a Jamaican footballer was accused (nothing proven) of making racist comments to an African-born player.

"How stupid is that, how can he be racist, they are both black!" was the general concensus

Yes, racism exists even when there isn't a white person in the equation....

The stupid kids I heard at the weekend calling a girl an "English Bitch"...how stupid...they are English too despite having different coloured skin. Did I call them idiots? Yes. Did I call them "effing paki bas****s"? No - what would be the point, and what would justify that?

Racism exists in pretty much all cultures. Does that make it right in any case? Of course not.

..the same outcome would probably (rightly) befall a black person rapping about white trash on Parson Cross, Manor, Southey Green, Chapeltown, Ecclesfield. Incidentally, I thought you were mixed race, so who would be punching you?
Do you as a mixed race person, challenge every instance of racism directed towards you? I know I never have, the vast majority of people dont, whether they be black or white.


Is your nephew white? If he enjoys it he probably has a deeper understanding of something that to an ambivalent observer like you or myself might appear offensive.

i dont because i dont get it that much personally, i have very deep coloured eyes and look very tanned, may also br due to the fact im a big built bloke with a shaved head. But you do find certain races will jump on it a hell of a lot more than others. i feel some look for any excuse to play the race card.

my nephew is white and a bit of a chav, which for some reason he is proud.

..aye, imagine how I felt easty, down the Embassy-being fat, black with a hint of ginger ;) My bold

WHAT?????

I don't have a problem with you being black, or a slap-head or a cheeky, disrespectful to your elders, kid - but ginger????

I'm afraid I'm just gonna have to put you on ignore from now on, I might be a loony, lefty, do-gooder member of the PC brigade, but I do have some standards. :hihi:

My bold

WHAT?????

I don't have a problem with you being black, or a slap-head or a cheeky, disrespectful to your elders, kid - but ginger????

..it's a pubic Mallen Streak :D

But you do find certain races will jump on it a hell of a lot more than others. i feel some look for any excuse to play the race card.


You haven't considered that might be because some races are more likely to be victims of it than others?

Ironically, the race card can be as often played by white folks as it can by non white ones, there are at least 3 examples of it on this thread, and the OP itself might be an example of it:

It can't be racist if its NOT aimed at a minority group.

Sorry mate you're way over his head; only white people can be racist.

it cant be racist, didnt you know that only white people can be racist

How many threads have you seen started with the sole intention of indiscriminately slagging off Muslims, or immigrants or Somalians? I havent seen many started by members of those groups maligning their experiences.

But you do find certain races will jump on it a hell of a lot more than others. i feel some look for any excuse to play the race card.

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Wonder if that's got anything to do with the places in which you look?

I'm curious as to what exactly these lyrics are which were racist?

Hip hop and rap music frequently uses terms which may be considered offensive in general conversation. However, I think there is more leniency when it comes to creative media. Films like American History X are full of racism, but I think most people would understand it to be a creative piece of work.

In some respects rap music has removed a lot of the negative connotations. When I hear the word honkey or cracker or gringo in rap music I do not associate it with racism.

I'm curious as to what exactly these lyrics are which were racist?

Hip hop and rap music frequently uses terms which may be considered offensive in general conversation. However, I think there is more leniency when it comes to creative media. Films like American History X are full of racism, but I think most people would understand it to be a creative piece of work.

In some respects rap music has removed a lot of the negative connotations. When I hear the word honkey or cracker or gringo in rap music I do not associate it with racism.I don't intend the word Paki to be considerd racist when I use it in the same context as Taffy, Jock, Paddy, Scouser, Brummie etc.
Can I assume it is purely that all the others are generaly 'White' so Paki is outlawed to suit the PC brigade.

Ironically, the race card can be as often played by white folks as it can by non white ones, there are at least 3 examples of it on this thread, and the OP itself might be an example of it:

Originally Posted by Linesman
Sorry mate you're way over his head; only white people can be racist.

Plonker that was meant tongue in cheek and you know it.:P

..it's a pubic Mallen Streak :D

TOO MUCH INFORMATION :rant:

My bold

WHAT?????

I don't have a problem with you being black, or a slap-head or a cheeky, disrespectful to your elders, kid - but ginger????

I'm afraid I'm just gonna have to put you on ignore from now on, I might be a loony, lefty, do-gooder member of the PC brigade, but I do have some standards. :hihi:

easy now, or you'll be getting in the queue behind tescos

it cant be racist, didnt you know that only white people can be racist
cant be true , or the non whites would have been protesting outside downing street by now demanding that they have the same right as the whites

Plonker that was meant tongue in cheek and you know it.:P

..the trouble is Linesman, there's some here so dim as to believe it!

..the trouble is Linesman, there's some here so dim as to believe it! My bold

Like you, you mean??? :hihi:

My bold

Like you, you mean??? :hihi:

I only believed until I read that JFK didn't believe it! :P

I only believed until I read that JFK didn't believe it! :P

I thought it was Victor Meldrew who didn't believe it!!! :hihi:

I thought it was Victor Meldrew who didn't believe it!!! :hihi:

..thanks Margaret! :hihi:

I don't intend the word Paki to be considerd racist when I use it in the same context as Taffy, Jock, Paddy, Scouser, Brummie etc.
Can I assume it is purely that all the others are generaly 'White' so Paki is outlawed to suit the PC brigade.

Not really, one clearly has connotations associated with skin colour (regardless of nationality), where as the others are focused on nationalities, or regions (regardless of skin colour).

As far as I'm aware the term 'Brummie', 'Scouser' and I think 'Jock' are not intended to have negative connotations. As for the others they have, to different extents, gone through a process of amelioration.

It really has nothing to do with the 'PC brigade'.

Sorry mate you're way over his head; only white people can be racist.

Is that your justification then? You're white so you are entitled to be racist (and that's ok)?

I think that speaks volumes for your beliefs. ;)

I dont agree with your Statement "only white people can be racist".
Do you live in the real world. Have you been sheltered in your life, try Bradford, Bedford, and parts of Sheffield for a small example. There are racist's across the board and always will be. You insult me to say because I am white I am the only race that is as you call are capable and are racist.

I sugest you re think your statement when you have a clear head.

Not so much a statement than a justification.

I have had two instances of RACISM aimed at English White Folk, BOTH on the buses that travel up and down eccy road sheffield , namely the 80's , 82's etc....

The first the somali children that get on the bus at Waitrose in the morning all dressed in Silverdale School Jumpers and Muslim Attire , Occasionally they have there Phones playing out loud singing burn the usa and uk ! (This has happened twice that I know Of )
Also I have witnessed these same children? shouting at two white kids on the front of the bus saying if your NOT a Muslim you a JEW TW*T ! the poor white kids were trembling at the front . THE BUS DRIVERS DO NOTHING

The second again on on the buses that travel up and down eccy road sheffield , namely the 82 Stage coach . A Turkish? Iraqi >? Type looking bloke was sat on the back of the bus about 30 years old and very well built, shouting all english are dogs , white women are sl*gs and much much worse , AGAIN the bus driver did nothing . When challanged the guy got extremely aggresive angling for a fight!!! BEWARE THIS CHAP IF YOU SEE HIM

To me these instances and others Indicate that 99% of Muslim Children I have met are MORE racist than the BNP and EDL , It beggers belief what there being taught in schools and at home . and also beggers beyond belief what the uk will be like in 15 years time ?

Plonker that was meant tongue in cheek and you know it.:P

Yes ;) we know it was ;)

Nudge, nudge ;) ;)

Plonker that was meant tongue in cheek and you know it.:P

I did suspect that most of your posts are meant to be tongue in cheek.

I have had two instances of RACISM aimed at English White Folk, BOTH on the buses that travel up and down eccy road sheffield , namely the 80's , 82's etc....

To me these instances and others Indicate that 99% of Muslim Children I have met are MORE racist than the BNP and EDL , It beggers belief what there being taught in schools and at home . and also beggers beyond belief what the uk will be like in 15 years time ?

I'm genuinely scared by this because I think you're actually serious.

I love how you get from 99% of Muslim children you encountered (as far as I can tell is two incidents), which is clearly representative of Muslims across Britain :rolleyes:, to basically suggesting that this trend will extrapolate to all Muslim children in England within 10 years.

I don't think any demographer would use the 82 as a representative sample of Britain. It beggars belief the number of times I've seen this sort of comment on SF, and I can only imagine what the entire universe will be like in 3 months time.

I tell you; I was in the queue for the bus once and I saw the driver (probably a Muslim) wink at a young kid. Can you believe that? Using his winky little eye! 99% of the bus drivers I've met are bloody paedophiles! If we carry on like this the entire public transport system will be overrun with Muslim paedophiles within 5 years, and I pay bloody taxes so they can get there fix! It sickens me! It's time to burn down this GovernMENTAL nonsense and let a (Nick) Griffin rise from the ashes.

ANYWAY, back to the topic at hand. Racism in music.

ANYWAY, back to the topic at hand. Racism in music.


Quite right.

Should Bing Crosby be banned from the airwaves with "White Christmas"?

I have had two instances of RACISM aimed at English White Folk, BOTH on the buses that travel up and down eccy road sheffield , namely the 80's , 82's etc....


I've endured significantly more than 2 instances of racism in my lifetime, and whilst I'm sorry to hear of your experiences, mine didnt lead me to conclude anything about white people generally, other than amongst them are a minority who are pillocks.

By the same token Ive encountered black racists too, and similarly I consign them to the idiot pile as well-not the '99% of blacks are racists' one.

Quite right.

Should Bing Crosby be banned from the airwaves with "White Christmas"?

Haha, I liked that one.

His lesser known "I'm dreaming of a racially diverse winter celebration" is still a favourite among the 'PC Brigade'.

I've endured significantly more than 2 instances of racism in my lifetime, and whilst I'm sorry to hear of your experiences, mine didnt lead me to conclude anything about white people generally, other than amongst them are a minority who are pillocks.

By the same token Ive encountered black racists too, and similarly I consign them to the idiot pile as well-not the '99% of blacks are racists' one.


iv'e had more abuse off white people to last a lifetime......mind you i was a bit of a tearaway in mi younger days....but now i'm a reformed character and part of our neighbourhood watch......:hihi::hihi:

To me these instances and others Indicate that 99% of Muslim Children I have met are MORE racist than the BNP

Based on two examples?

Based on two examples?

..not only that but I've never heard of the behaviour of children being representative of the racial/religious group that they belong to.

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i'm a reformed character and part of our neighbourhood watch......:hihi::hihi:Don't you mean 'Peeping Tom'?

Haha, I liked that one.

His lesser known "I'm dreaming of a racially diverse winter celebration" is still a favourite among the 'PC Brigade'.And let's not foreget 'Rudolf The Red Nosed Camel'.:D:hihi:

To me these instances and others Indicate that 99% of Muslim Children I have met are MORE racist than the BNP and EDL , It beggers belief what there being taught in schools and at home . and also beggers beyond belief what the uk will be like in 15 years time ?Something so untrue usually beggers belief in my experience. Anybody, an adult sat on back of a bus shouting such abuse is either completely nuts or as I would rather believe exists in your imagination only.

..not only that but I've never heard of the behaviour of children being representative of the racial/religious group that they belong to.Only from people like the head case cake maker of SF who was pretending to be a woman with racially harassed kids.

It sickens me! It's time to burn down this GovernMENTAL nonsense and let a (Nick) Griffin rise from the ashes.

Ooooh I'd love to see Nick Griffin rise from the ashes,.....when do we burn him to then enable him to do that?:hihi:

Ooooh I'd love to see Nick Griffin rise from the ashes,.....when do we burn him to then enable him to do that?:hihi:

Sooner the better :hihi:

I don't intend the word Paki to be considerd racist when I use it in the same context as Taffy, Jock, Paddy, Scouser, Brummie etc.
Can I assume it is purely that all the others are generaly 'White' so Paki is outlawed to suit the PC brigade.

It depends in what context you use the words , use them in an offensive context and rightly so you will be seen to be politicly incorrect. Try it on a stranger ie a welsh person who you don't know and call out "excuse me taffy" and see what reaction you get, same with a black, Asian, Irish,Scottish person etc and believe me it's not about how you see it but how the person your refering to perceives it. You try and put forward what you perceive to be a reasonable argument but it's so transparent what you really are!!!!

I've endured significantly more than 2 instances of racism in my lifetime, and whilst I'm sorry to hear of your experiences, mine didnt lead me to conclude anything about white people generally, other than amongst them are a minority who are pillocks.

By the same token Ive encountered black racists too, and similarly I consign them to the idiot pile as well-not the '99% of blacks are racists' one.

My best friend had a black African father and a white English mother. She would be considered black by most people, yet her main ethnic influences have been white Sheffield - from her maternal grandparents, aunts, uncles, neighbours etc.

Being of dual heritage/mixed race has meant she's been insulted on occasion, by white and black people. She's a really sorted person, and like you BF came to the conclusion years ago that anyone who has a problem with her skin pigmentation is basically very stupid and not worth listening to. Sadly ignorance abounds in every race.

My best friend had a black African father and a white English mother. She would be considered black by most people, yet her main ethnic influences have been white Sheffield - from her maternal grandparents, aunts, uncles, neighbours etc.

That's such an interesting observation MacB, my own children are mixed race, but perceived as 'black', even though their main influences are white ones, through family and wider affiliations. The black members of their family represent only about half a dozen people, whereas their mother's family is extensive and varied.


Being of dual heritage/mixed race has meant she's been insulted on occasion, by white and black people. She's a really sorted person, and like you BF came to the conclusion years ago that

I wouldn't say I experienced much racism from people when out with my ex wife and children, which was directed at us..although I often did wonder why some black women felt the need to kiss their teeth and some middle aged white men develop a sudden, nervous whistle when they encountered us!

I don't intend the word Paki to be considerd racist when I use it in the same context as Taffy, Jock, Paddy, Scouser, Brummie etc.
Can I assume it is purely that all the others are generaly 'White' so Paki is outlawed to suit the PC brigade.

Main problem with 'words' and their usage is that it doesn't just depend on what you intended the meaning to be - it is also down to the recipient and what he/she interprets as the meaning or intent behind the words.

In truth, the word Paki (to describe the ethnic origin or place of birth of a person) has been replaced by Pakistani. Paki, with it's historical origins and associations with the far right, racist thugs of this world, is rightly considered to be a term of abuse and demeaning. Very often it is used in a very wide context - to describe anyone who 'looks' like a Paki (whatever looks like actually means).

Nowadays, Muslim is also used to describe someone who 'looks like a Muslim' (whether or not, in fact, they are actually of that faith).

PC or not, the term Paki is a term of abuse and is taken as such by almost anyone who has a right and proper mind.

If you really wished to describe someone who comes from Pakistan or whose ethnic origin is of Pakistan (by ancestory), why not call them Pakistani, same as someone from India would be called Indian or a person from Bangladesh would be a Bangladeshi?

Because the word Paki has a more sinister 'other' context - and you know it, which is why you use it.

Btw, those other descriptions - Jock, Paddy, Scouser, Brummie, Taffy etc - each of these can and are often taken as a term of abuse.

It depends who says it, how it is said and to whom it is said.

That's such an interesting observation MacB, my own children are mixed race, but perceived as 'black', even though their main influences are white ones, through family and wider affiliations. The black members of their family represent only about half a dozen people, whereas their mother's family is extensive and varied.

I think this is what a lot of people don't realise, to define someone by skin colour is so narrow minded, and misses what actually makes up a person.

I wouldn't say I experienced much racism from people when out with my ex wife and children, which was directed at us..although I often did wonder why some black women felt the need to kiss their teeth and some middle aged white men develop a sudden, nervous whistle when they encountered us!

Overt racism is rare I'm glad to say, I just thought it worth reinforcing (again) the point that it's not limited to any one ethnic group. :help:

Main problem with 'words' and their usage is that it doesn'y just depend on what you intended the meaning to be - it is also down to the recipient and what he/she interprets as the meaning or intent behind the words.

In truth, the word Paki (to describe the ethnic origin or place of birth of a person) has been replaced by Pakistani. Paki, with it's historical origins and associations with the far right, racist thugs of this world, is rightly considered to be a term of abuse and deeming. Very often it is used in a very wide context - to describe anyone who 'looks' like a Paki (whatever looks like actually means).

Nowadays, Muslim is also used to describe someone who 'looks like a Muslim' (whether or not, in fact, they are actually of that faith).

PC or not, the term Paki is a term of abuse and is taken as such by almost anyone who has a right and proper mind.

If you really wished to describe someone who comes from Pakistan or whose ethnic origin is of Pakistan (by ancestory), why not call them Pakistani, same as someone from India would be called Indian or a person from Bangladesh would be a Bangladeshi?

Because the word Paki has a more sinister 'other' context - and you know it, which is why you use it.

Btw, those other descriptions - Jock, Paddy, Scouser, Brummie, Taffy etc - each of these can and are often taken as a term of abuse.

It depends who says it, how it is said and to whom it is said.The ramblings of the brainwashed jeremyjumbawallah.:loopy:

The ramblings of the brainwashed jeremyjumbawallah.:loopy:


Nope. I think Jeremy is spot on in what he says. Your racism simply won't allow you see the truth.

You are plainly a racist, Linesman. You think the worst of anyone who is foreign. A very sad existence, I'd have thought.

Put it this way, black people live here. They're not going home, neither are the Poles, asian people or anyone else on your hate list. Why not accept this fact instead of running your country down all the time?

You are plainly a racist, Linesman. You think the worst of anyone who is foreign. A very sad existence, I'd have thought.

Put it this way, black people live here. They're not going home, neither are the Poles, asian people or anyone else on your hate list. Why not accept this fact instead of running your country down all the time?

Amen to that. Spindrift and jeremyjh1 have you down to a tee.

The ramblings of the brainwashed jeremyjumbawallah.:loopy:

Good reply - shows you've given up on the argument.

What is it they say about someone who resorts to violence or insults?