Does London seems so far removed from the rest of the country or i it just me? Reading the Colomnists in the Guardian Unlimited it seems to be that way.

It's not you, when you live in London you eventually do start to think it's the centre of the universe as there is no reason to contact anyone in the "outside world", what have they got that London hasn't ?

Agree with Nick2 on that one. Lived there 12 yrs and everywhere else is 'not the real world'. But then you realise that the real world is where ever you live, or where any one else lives for that matter.

Glad we moved out, it had started to get to me. Not a very good place to raise children, but heaps of fun for singletons!

Hi lizzmobile, why is it better for single people than say Sheffield?

Originally posted by Duffer
Hi lizzmobile, why is it better for single people than say Sheffield?

mainly becasue it's a doddle to get laid.

Originally posted by nick2
mainly becasue it's a doddle to get laid.

Really! Well I wish someone had told me that before now :)

<-----*packs bags and heads off for the big smoke*

Originally posted by robbie
Does London seems so far removed from the rest of the country or i it just me? Reading the Colomnists in the Guardian Unlimited it seems to be that way.

London being so multicultural and one of the biggest cities in Europe it’s pretty likely it feels strange compared to the rest of the country. You could say the same about Paris, except not a foreign country but more like an alien planet!

It might as well be a foreign country what with all the foreigners that live there, when you go into a shop, or cafe you can guarantee that you will be served by someone foreign. Its a strange place is London, I dont like it myself, too big, too loud and too many foreigners that dont belong there!

I suppose this is similar to the other thread about Nationality in some respects.

I'm European, within that context I am British, within that i am English, within that I am a Yorkie, within that I am a Sheffielder.

Much the same can be said about Londoners. But, because so much of the political and (can't think of the word so Royalty will have to surfice) resides in and is centred in London, then it must be difficult for some Londoners to see anything outside of London as having any relevance.

When I was working, we always used to refer to much of the issues, news etc as being Londoncentric and that is still very true. But we (the outsiders) know the real truth - there is so much more outside of London and it's just a shame other people don't realise it.

It's true - there is so much going on in London that many Londoners' attention never escapes its gravity. I always tried to have a wider perspective when I lived there, but it is sometimes difficult, and many people I know don't really manage. It's a nightmare trying to get friends from London to visit anywhere outside the M25 sometimes.

But it also goes deeper than that - this isn't just a "London thing". I grew up in Teddington, which is in Greater London but about 15 miles from the centre of London, and for me growing up London was like a foreign country, Hammersmith was about the furthest boundary of my knowledge and anything beyond that was a huge adventure. It wasn't until I'd left London (to study at Bristol) and come back that I began to take advantage of what was on offer more.

My wife used to work in a school in Canning Town, which is only about a mile from Canary Wharf & Docklands. Most of the women she worked with had never been into Central London, ever.

Lizzmobile is spot on - London is a great place, with a hell of a lot to offer, but not really the place to raise a family, and it is easier to get a sense of perspective from outside London.

I don't think you can say London is removed from the rest of the country. Of course it has its own identity but there are many things there - take Big Ben for example - which function as symbols for the whole country. After I've been abroad, fun though holidays are, its always reassuring to hear the 'bongs' on the radio.
Futhermore every part of Britain has its own regional identity. You could argue that Yorkshire is a 'foreign country' to someone from Hampshire, and there are plenty of Yorkies who take pride in being 'a breed apart.'
Hels has a good point that our institutions are very London-centric but with more moving out of London - like the BBC's shifting a lot of departments and workers to Manchester, things might be changing.

Originally posted by Jillybabes
It might as well be a foreign country what with all the foreigners that live there, when you go into a shop, or cafe you can guarantee that you will be served by someone foreign. Its a strange place is London, I dont like it myself, too big, too loud and too many foreigners that dont belong there!



That is spot on,London is now to be re classified as Londonistan with immediate effect.
:thumbsup:

Originally posted by Jillybabes
It might as well be a foreign country what with all the foreigners that live there,

How old are you? Must be a good 150 years plus if you can remember London without any immigrants. Ladies and Gentlemen the forums oldest member.

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
How old are you? Must be a good 150 years plus if you can remember London without any immigrants. Ladies and Gentlemen the forums oldest member.

As with many aspects of immigration, it is a question of degree. There has undoubtedly been a very significant change in the ethnic composition of London within a generation. A point is reached where a quantitiative change becomes qualitiative.

Originally posted by LordChaverly
A point is reached where a quantitiative change becomes qualitiative.



And that point was in 1905, http://www.jewishmuseum.org.uk/whatson/exhibitions/temporary.asp?article=95

I think there are certain boroughs where the white population is now in the minority,I beleive its mainly in the east end of London,but its also in other areas.
At the rate its going it wont be too far off where the majority of boroughs are more foreign than white british, thank the establishment for this.

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
And that point was in 1905, http://www.jewishmuseum.org.uk/whatson/exhibitions/temporary.asp?article=95

Not at all. There is no comparison between the size and scale of post-war mass immigration into London (and indeed many other parts of the UK) and any previous migration. The Jewish migration you refer to did of course have a significant effect on the ethnic composition of some parts of the east end of London (and indeed of Leeds and Manchester) but was never on the scale comparable to the post-war migrations mentioned above.

Thankyou for your wise words there, Lord C. Indeed, the post-war immigration has definately brought about the' very significant' change in the ethnic composition of London's population which you refer to previously. It is significant not only in terms of size but because it is the first time in English history that We The People are about to become We Another People. There are those who think, or pretend to think, that such demographic changes are insignificant because 'Britain is a nation of immigrants' anyway. How terribly wrong they are on both counts. In the first case, who truly does not feel foreboding for the future of 'race relations'? In the second case, the immigration up to the post-war period was from northern European stock in various 'tribal' guises from pre-Celtic Iberians to French Huguenots.

Now, we are on the brink of a situation where the capital is indeed 'foreign' to the white, Anglo Saxon-Celtic [if I can be forgiven for this oversimplification of the basic ethnic stock] majority, who currently make up around 96% of the total British populace. It is not the attractive, vibrant 'melting pot' of 'diverse' cultures championed by those of left/liberal consensus, 'progressive' Bishops etc. It is a cold, crime-ridden place in the main, where certain communities [Somali and Caribbean] are virtually at war, and others harbour irremediable grudges against the state, other ethnic groups [especially the white majority], different religions, the police etc. In the inner-city areas, the language and culture of the prison ['grassing', 'nonces' etc] prevails amongst the white underclass, driving out the middle classes and driving the genuine working classes to despair.

On top of that, there is the serious threat of being blown to pieces on public transport by religious maniacs inspired by a twisted version of a religion which can only ever be 'foreign' to the majority. 'Londonistan', as a Pakistani politician wittily dubbed our capital city, is no longer the city whose streets are 'paved with gold', to say the very least.

Originally posted by royjames
That is spot on,London is now to be re classified as Londonistan with immediate effect.


Originally posted by timo

'Londonistan', as a Pakistani politician wittily dubbed our capital city

Gosh timo, thanks for revealing the real identity of royjames! :hihi:

message posted by Nick2 "mainly because it's a doddle to get laid".

Ahem! Can't argue with that!

Red Robbo,
As you know, I like a good p*** take, and that was a good one! I am sure that Roy James will agree that the idea of him as a Pakistani politician is an amusing one. LOL!

Originally posted by timo
Red Robbo,
As you know, I like a good p*** take, and that was a good one! I am sure that Roy James will agree that the idea of him as a Pakistani politician is an amusing one. LOL!


Lol I take what red says with a pinch of salt anyway,but I have to say your quite right Timo about some pretending its all irelevant and putting their head in the sand.
Still as someone once said the people get the goverment they deserve and so they can expect this to continue.
Still having been banned for 2 wks its nice to get it all off my chest.;)

Don't worry, Roy. When my New League of Empire Loyalists come to power [as surely they must?], we will deport Red Robbo. He will be exiled to either Goole, or some remote enclave of blackest Barnsley. I have not decided yet.

'Krieg oder Bolshevismus!'

Timo I hope you don’t mind me asking you this but do you spend a lot of time in London? It’s just to me you post makes you sound like one of those people who when I tell them I’m heading down to Brixton warn me not to go as it's a ‘No go area for whites’ I have to point out to them that both my sister and her partner are white, and they've lived in Brixton for a long time without becoming victims of ethnic cleansing. It’s just when I hear people refer to London as “It is a cold, crime-ridden place in the main” It doesn’t bear any resemblance to the London I like to visit.

Tell you what Timo you invite me to your next meeting of the Monday Club with all the fancy wine you talk of, and in return we'll hope on the mega bus and I’ll show you a take away off Richmond Road in Hackney were you can get a lambs testicle kebab and a bottle of wine at 4 in the morning, and you’ll be served these delights by people far from being, “virtually at war” with your ethnic group.

Originally posted by timo
When my New League of Empire Loyalists come to power

If that’s the Hackney Empire Loyalists you can count me in, I saw the Big life their before it went up West and it was cracking.

A must for all ska fans.

Disco Cat,
Much as I like you , I could never ever invite you to a meeting of the Monday Club. You would become terribly coy and self-conscious about your kebab-guzzling, lower class origins, which would express itself in veiled hostility towards your betters. You would not know the difference between fine wine and the mouthwash, and your Levellers t shirt would not go down at all well either.

Re Hackney, a Malaysian Sikh friend [female] of mine was robbed in the street there no less than three times last year. She has now moved to Leicester. Ask her about the wonderful attractions of inner city London.

Hello Timo, I'm not sure I can go with your 'oversimplification' of ethnic stock. For a start you're lumping the Celts and Anglo Saxons in together - there were seriously big differences between the two; language, culture, religion. I don't think there meeting was a happy one is what I'm saying. Also it implies that all white folks feel a sense of unity through their skin colour - yet when I go on holiday to France I don't feel remotely French, its a totally different culture. (And don't say its because they're Gauls, lol.)
Nice of you to pity those poor middle classes forced into buying lavish houses in the Home Counties though. My heart's bleeding too. Sorry, I'm being flippant now.
I went down to London for a mate's wedding recently and didn't find it a cold, crime-ridden place at all, infact it was rather nicer than I expected it would be.

Originally posted by Sheffette
Hello Timo, I'm not sure I can go with your 'oversimplification' of ethnic stock. For a start you're lumping the Celts and Anglo Saxons in together - there were seriously big differences between the two; language, culture, religion. I don't think there meeting was a happy one is what I'm saying. Also it implies that all white folks feel a sense of unity through their skin colour - yet when I go on holiday to France I don't feel remotely French, its a totally different culture. (And don't say its because they're Gauls, lol.)
Nice of you to pity those poor middle classes forced into buying lavish houses in the Home Counties though. My heart's bleeding too. Sorry, I'm being flippant now.
I went down to London for a mate's wedding recently and didn't find it a cold, crime-ridden place at all, infact it was rather nicer than I expected it would be.

Just think though what our country would have been like if the multiculturalist zealots had been around in previous millennia. We would now have a 'rich and vibrant' multicultural society comprising various ethnic communities including Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Picts, Norsemen, Celts, Romans and the remnants of the Beaker people. For those who would be churlish enough to mention that such a diverse ethnic juxtaposition has its downsides (in terms of social cohesion and the potential for internicine conflict) i am sure the standard rejoinder would have been that, well yes, but you can buy the most delicious plate of pig's testicles from the Jute all night diner at 4am, before partying at the Viking Runes disco.

london is an absolute tip,I feel sorry for the poor sods who live in that place,thank god Sheffield is not like that,YET.
We have white flight from London to the home counties and wales,they dont move for nothing ,its ethnic cleansing in the UK.
I m sure you know that 25% of the capital is now non english,god dont it make you feel sick,London is now a multi racial and multi cultural slum.
Will our capital become the first western capital to be non white due to mass immigration.

Your in danger of assuming I'm a fervent supporter of multiculturalism there Lord C. Still, with Rover going down the tubes a thriving indiginous Beaker industry is a nice thought.

I don't recognise this London that some of you are posting about at all. I lived in several areas in the late 60s and early 70s and met a lot of wonderful people, of all backgrounds. Not like Sheffield, of course, but where else is. after all? :)

Now I've family living in the East End (or Docklands as it's known) lovable cockney grannies, veiled ladies. asylum seekers, council tenants and private householders, all seem to co-exist quite happily. I can get off the DLR at one in the morning and stroll down East India Dock Road and surrounding streets, even walk through the little park as a short cut ... and the area is a lot less graffitied and rubbish strewn than some areas of Sheffield.

Actually, when I go to visit friends in Hampstead, I feel more intimidated by the people coming up there from Camden Town tham I ever do when I'm down in the East End.

Some of the reasons people leave inner London, are because it's not ideal for 21st century family life and/or they can't afford housing anymore. It's certainly not a tip or a slum, I don't think you can be opening either your eyes or your mind, if you think that is the truth about London.

You can't really compare London to the rest of England - it's a major (western) world city with all the benefits and downsides that brings.

Comparisons should be made to New York, Los Angeles, Paris, Berlin etc IMHO.

Originally posted by timo
Disco Cat,
Much as I like you , I could never ever invite you to a meeting of the Monday Club. You would become terribly coy and self-conscious about your kebab-guzzling, lower class origins, which would express itself in veiled hostility towards your betters. You would not know the difference between fine wine and the mouthwash, and your Levellers t shirt would not go down at all well either.

Re Hackney, a Malaysian Sikh friend [female] of mine was robbed in the street there no less than three times last year. She has now moved to Leicester. Ask her about the wonderful attractions of inner city London.

Well now I think of it the place I'm so keen on is BYO with no corkage so we can strike a good compromise on the wine front, you might have to borrow one of my Levellers shirts to replace your top hat and tails however.

Crime in Hackeny is a problem, someone was mugged right outside my sisters house when she lived their, but is this because of immigration? Was their no crime in London before the Windrush set sail? And what nationality are the Krays exactly.

I can think of plenty of towns and estates around here where crime and drug abuse is a big problem, but the populations are almost exclusively white.
If I can find you an example of someone moving out of an ex mining town because of crime will you blame that on immigration?

Hi disco maybe you ought to check this out,might make you realise just how the media keep quiet about the murders oif white people by immigrants.

White man killed by immigrant from Afghanistan – virtual media blackout

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The only reference I can find to this “incident” is on the web link below. No hysterical BBC wailing, no vigils by the churches, trades unions and faith groups – just another forgotten white victim. The sad death of David Henkel at the hands of Nabhar Bahar needs more research to add evidence to our claims of a media conspiracy to play down ethnic on white murders.

Man in court on manslaughter charge

A MAN accused of killing 32-year-old David Henkel on July 23 appeared at Maidstone Crown Court on Friday.

Nabhar Bahar, 21, of Harmer Street, Gravesend, has been charged with the manslaughter of Mr Henkel, who lived in Chatham.

Mr Henkel died from head injuries after an incident in Bank Street, Luton.

Bahar, who came to England from Afghanistan, appeared via a TV link between the court and Elmley Prison, Sheppey.
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Sorry about that try this link.


http://www.eastkentmercury.co.uk/ne...rticle_id=21752

lol this is weird as it works on another site,anyway you get the drift of it I hope.

Originally posted by royjames

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I'd rather not have anything to do with the November 9th society if that's alright with you Roy, people dressing up in Nazi uniforms just isn't my sort of thing but if you like it then that's fine.

I don't really see the point of your post, do Asylum seekers commit crimes as brutal as murder? Yes they do I've never heard anyone else say different. Do Asylum seekers commit more crime proportionally then the good old honest white people you are trying to awaken, not according to the police. But I'm sure you can find a November 9th web site that argues different.

Originally posted by royjames
lol this is weird as it works on another site,anyway you get the drift of it I hope.

What other site might that be?

Originally posted by royjames
I m sure you know that 25% of the capital is now non english

This might be true, but without these people the capital would grind to a halt as they do all the jobs we think are beneath us.

Can you see your typical English person working a 7-day, 80 hour week in a restaurant kitchen for less than minimum wage, of course not, it's easier to be on the dole.

To be honest the november 29 site is irelevant to me what I am trying to get over to you is the fact the media seem to concentrate on white on black murders and that they dont give the samr attention to black on white murder. :thumbsup:

Originally posted by nick2
This might be true, but without these people the capital would grind to a halt as they do all the jobs we think are beneath us.


That's irrelevant to Roy and his friends in the Nov 9th society, no matter how hard or honest immigrant might be, or no matter the fact that as a group they contribute 10% more in taxes then they consume in public services the fact they are not part of the master race will mean Roy and Nov 9th will never accept them in London and do all they can to 'awaken us' against them.

Originally posted by royjames
To be honest the november 29 site is irelevant to me what I am trying to get over to you is the fact the media seem to concentrate on white on black murders and that they dont give the samr attention to black on white murder. :thumbsup:


We've already done this topic to death while you were on holiday I'm afraid, use the search option.

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
What other site might that be?


Lol that was on our party forum site old chap,I know you cant post on there as you need to be a paid up member of said party.
But what matters is how its all one sided as far as the media are concerned.

Disco Cat,
Aside from our mutual, good-natured persiflage, my Sikh friend was mugged twice by Caribbean assailants and once by whites. I certainly would not blame all crime in London upon immigration. However, certain groups do appear to commit 'street crime' out of proportion to their numbers. Members of the marginalised white 'underclass' have proved themselves both highly active in criminal terms, and impervious to social policies too. In the latter case, I cannot help but think that mass immigration has played a part, as a variable within a cluster of variables, in their alienation and disenfranchement. 'Whose country is this?' is a phrase which frequently rolls when talking to inner city Londoners [which I have done, incidentally, on my rare chauffered trips to Londonistan]. There are so many competing cultures in London that a state of normlessness [or 'anomie' as Durkheim would say] has emerged in some quarters; mainstream values and norms 'collapse' and fragment. The result is alienation and bewilderment in a place where nobody knows 'the rules' any longer.

Your relatives may be happy in Brixton. I have met many who loathed living there, mainly because of the disappearance of mainstream British values and norms that the rest of the country [outside of 'sink estates'] take for granted. It is not 'race' or skin colour that is the problem, Disco, it is the clash of so many cultures. Large scale migrations of people certainly do cause problems, especially in the case of the post-war immigration for which there was no precedent or social mandate.

Mind you, Disco old fruit, the 'race relations' problems in the inner cities pale in comparison with the 'bad port' crisis of the late 80s. The Monday Club were inconsolable, with not a decent bottle to be had almost anywhere. These are the real crises.

Originally posted by royjames

But what matters is how its all one sided as far as the media are concerned.

But your using the example of a media report on a crime to show that the media do not report such a crime. you've managed to contradict yourself their.

And we really have done this to death to save me re posting I've provided you with links that work :


http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?postid=525563#post525563

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?postid=525792#post525792

Thanks for the links, yes I was on (holiday,lol banned) still I stand by my beleif that the media do indeed concentrate on one particular race being worse than the rest.
Oh to change it slightly did you see the dispatches prog last night on ch 4 very informative I thought.:thumbsup:

I'd take Roy, Timo and the rest of the right wing knobs more seriously if any of them had actually lived in London. Being a born & bred Londoner myself I know that folk there are extremely tolerent of others and delight in the different cultures and the latest Japanese-Somalian hybrid restaurant (or whatever the latest fad is).

It's kind of obvious boys that you're provincial yokels without any real class. Bet you've never been to Nobu or Locanda Locatelli, right?

Eman Groovin,
Thankyou for enlightening us there. You are quite obviously an erudite and urbane man of culture, judging by your sophisticated written style and sonorous phrases such as 'Right wing knobs'. I personally have never been to the places you mention. Do they serve whelks for jumped-up costermongers like you to guzzle? Or perhaps Eel Pie?

As for your 'tolerance', what about the cries of 'Get the old Jewboys in the oven' whenever Spurs play their rivals? What about the incredibly high figures for racially-motivated violence and murder in the capital? The civil wars in miniature between Whites and Bengalis, and between Somalis and Afro-Caribbeans?

I lived in London for six months in the 80s, and visit the capital about twice a year. I have relatives and friends who live there too. So please do not assume that I am a 'yokel' with no experience of the city. One suspects that you view Sheffield people in general as 'yokels', under the surface. You were very quick to coin the phrase, as I am sure other posters will have noticed.

Originally posted by timo
I certainly would not blame all crime in London upon immigration. However, certain groups do appear to commit 'street crime' out of proportion to their numbers. Members of the marginalised white 'underclass' have proved themselves both highly active in criminal terms, and impervious to social policies too.
I think you're probably right timo - it's a problem of capitalism. I'm sure muggings were never an issue in Eastern Europe before the fall of communism.

Dan,
I suspect that muggings were never a problem in the communist Soviet bloc because potential muggers probably realised that their crimes would be pathologised by the state. They might just end up in some dreadful psychiatric hospital, injected with chemicals until they believed themselves to be fried eggs or something.

Originally posted by timo
I suspect that muggings were never a problem in the communist Soviet

Why bother to mug someone who probably has the same as you, nothing ?

Well, yes. There is that I suppose. Hardly likely to get 'rich pickings' from someone who has just spent five hours in the queue for potatoes.

Originally posted by royjames
london is an absolute tip,I feel sorry for the poor sods who live in that place,thank god Sheffield is not like that,YET.
We have white flight from London to the home counties and wales,they dont move for nothing ,its ethnic cleansing in the UK.
I m sure you know that 25% of the capital is now non english,god dont it make you feel sick,London is now a multi racial and multi cultural slum.
Will our capital become the first western capital to be non white due to mass immigration.

Judging by this nonsense rant it's clear you've never been to London, have you? Pity, if you let go of your silly preconceptions you'd probably enjoy yourself.

Originally posted by timo
Well, yes. There is that I suppose. Hardly likely to get 'rich pickings' from someone who has just spent five hours in the queue for potatoes.

Are you referring to the pre or post-capitalist period? I 'm not sure most ordinary Russians can tell the difference...

I was referring to pre- capitalist days. Now they can buy oven chips, 'Smash' and other Western potato-based delights.

Originally posted by timo
I was referring to pre- capitalist days. Now they can buy oven chips, 'Smash' and other Western potato-based delights.
Ah, all well worth the struggle then :D

Oh yes. They get Poptarts in the Ukraine apparently. And I don't mean Geri Halliwell.

Originally posted by timo
Dan,
I suspect that muggings were never a problem in the communist Soviet bloc because potential muggers probably realised that their crimes would be pathologised by the state. They might just end up in some dreadful psychiatric hospital, injected with chemicals until they believed themselves to be fried eggs or something.

Blimey, they did that in hospitals? I much prefer the British route to fried egg nirvana. I got there simply by going to University.

Joking aside, what I can't understand is how you brown-shirts can arrive at a definition of Britishness that is predicated by pale skin, when the entire nation is built upon diaspora. It's immigrants wot made Britain British, innit. Without the European land bridge and peoples' ability to get into boats and come here mankind would never have set foot on this sceptered isle. The bears and wolves would still be duking it out for the top spot in the food chain. This clinging to the fallacy of white Britain is a childlike logic that just doesn't stand up to rational examination.

God Save the Queen, bless 'er German cotton socks.

Originally posted by timo
Oh yes. They get Poptarts in the Ukraine apparently. And I don't mean Geri Halliwell.

superb.

Joyphil,
To whom do you refer with the term, 'Brownshirts'? The phrase refers to the Nazi predecessors of the SS, I believe. Personally, I am not a National Socialist given to dressing up in paramilitary gear, so that counts me out. Who do you mean? I think we should be told.

Originally posted by Greenback
Judging by this nonsense rant it's clear you've never been to London, have you? Pity, if you let go of your silly preconceptions you'd probably enjoy yourself.

You really should not jump to assumptions like this just because I take a different view to you,as a matter of fact yes I have been to Londonistan on more than one occasion and yes its a dump.
I used to work in neasden and I also visited south Londonistan thats the worse area of the lot,a foreign land,foreign shops everything apart from englishness there.
You can keep it thanks.

Originally posted by royjames
I used to work in neasden and I also visited south Londonistan
Wow, Roy. So widely travelled! You should write a book.

I've been to Norfolk Park and Parson Cross, and can confirm that Sheffield is a complete dump.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DanSumption
[B]Wow, Roy. So widely travelled! You should write a book.

Hi ok thanks for the idea:heyhey:
I have probably travelled the world much more than you have ,who needs to see the dump more than is needed?
Have a nice day.;)

Originally posted by timo
Joyphil,
To whom do you refer with the term, 'Brownshirts'? The phrase refers to the Nazi predecessors of the SS, I believe. Personally, I am not a National Socialist given to dressing up in paramilitary gear, so that counts me out. Who do you mean? I think we should be told.

Sweeping term intended to take in those of a rather rightwards persuasion given to, erm, clinging to the fallacy of 'white Britain'. Indeed, quite unashamedly referring across to the rather race-conscious Germanic fellows you mention. Find a sweeping referential gesture offensive? So do brown-skinned people born in Britain when right-wing yobboes crank up their "send 'em home" rhetorical hurdy-gurdy.

Oddly I find myself in agreement with Royjames, in that Neasden really is a hell-hole. But London in general has one hugely brilliant thing going for it - its incredible rainbow of ethnic diversity. Sure, one group occasionally rubs another up the wrong way but on the whole London does very well considering the density of its population. Having left the place in favour of Sheffield I find that the major pang I feel is for that diversity, and for the range of foodstuffs it caused almost every general stores to stock.

Oddly I find myself in agreement with Royjames. [/B][/QUOTE]


Dont worry there are more of us than you might imagine;)

Originally posted by royjames
Oddly I find myself in agreement with Royjames.


Dont worry there are more of us than you might imagine;) [/B][/QUOTE]

The words plague and vermin flit across the mind.

But thankfully there aren't enough of you to make a difference in the long run. The world has moved beyond your quaint superstitions, old boy.

[QUOTE][i]
The words plague and vermin flit across the mind.

Hey I know I think just the same;)
Seeing as you love Londonistan so much maybe you ought to think about a move their,just a thought.:hihi:

Originally posted by royjames
You really should not jump to assumptions like this just because I take a different view to you,as a matter of fact yes I have been to Londonistan on more than one occasion and yes its a dump.
I used to work in neasden and I also visited south Londonistan thats the worse area of the lot,a foreign land,foreign shops everything apart from englishness there.
You can keep it thanks.

Fair enough, I stand corrected. You're entitled to your view of course even though it's clearly wrong.

I'm interested in your utopian vision of a city defined by Englishness, it's an intriguing concept. Does it feature wall-to-wall fish and chip shops? Pubs called 'The Red Lion' that only sell ale in flaggons, and only offer egg and chips by way of grub? (No headwear except bowler hats, please). Gentlemen doffing their caps to ladies on street corners? Street urchins asking to shine your shoes? Morris dancers milling around everywhere?

And, of course... no curry houses :(

Originally posted by joyphil
Having left the place in favour of Sheffield I find that the major pang I feel is for that diversity, and for the range of foodstuffs it caused almost every general stores to stock.

Try London Road (how appropriate) for stores that sell all manner of weird/wonderfull "foreign stuff".

Originally posted by Greenback
Does it feature wall-to-wall fish and chip shops?

No, Fish and chips are very un-English as they were the invention of Jewish Immigrants.

Originally posted by nick2
Try London Road (how appropriate) for stores that sell all manner of weird "foreign stuff".

Don't you mean Londonistan Road? I don't fancy any of that foreign muck myself, I'll stick with my chicken tikka masala if it's all the same.

Originally posted by Greenback
I'll stick with my chicken tikka masala if it's all the same.

Curry is the most popular meal in the UK.

Originally posted by nick2
Curry is the most popular meal in the UK.

Most curries are very English in their origins, too. Crikey, what with this and the fish and chips revelation, what's a slightly beleagured nationalist supposed to do?

Originally posted by Greenback
Most curries are very English in their origins, too. Crikey, what with this and the fish and chips revelation, what's a slightly beleagured nationalist supposed to do?

Certainly not drive a Mini or accept Meals on Wheels when their elderly.

Originally posted by nick2
Try London Road (how appropriate) for stores that sell all manner of weird/wonderfull "foreign stuff".

True. I just miss all that being on every street corner. Finding Thai ingredients and fresh feta cheese is rather more of a mission in Woodseats than it was in Stoke Newington.

Originally posted by royjames
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The words plague and vermin flit across the mind.

Hey I know I think just the same;)
Seeing as you love Londonistan so much maybe you ought to think about a move their,just a thought.:hihi:

You know, the Londonistan joke curled up and died quite a few posts back. And you can't do a Lazarus on it, I'm afraid. I do think about living there frequently, but each visit convinces me that, as someone posted before, it's no place to bring up children. I had a very extended youth down there, but this is a better place for Child to grow up. Still, once you lot get into power and expatriate Mrs Joyphil and our tarbrush-licked offspring to the Phillipines, perhaps I'll go down and get another bachelor pad in the vibrant, throbbing capital. Although without the foreigners it won't be half the place it used to be.

Nope the joke is still good to me:hihi: Like I said maybe your in the wrong city,Your also under the wrong impression about being repatriated,if your relatives are born here they are perfectly entitled to stay here.
Maybe you watch too much tv,if your that worried why not look on the web site to see the truth??

The Truth:

"Donkey Prosecuted for Racism".

The BNP news chihuahuas sniff out another scoop.

As for London, the reasons I wouldn't live there are nothing to do with the tremendous energy and creativity that springs from fusion of cultures and languages. That part is the good part.

What I don't like is:
a)the tap water - can't drink it, can't water the pot plants with it.
b)black bogey syndrome - although plenty of mouthbreathers don't suffer
c)the f******g traffic and the drivers that make it worse
d)they all talk funny. The english people I mean.

Nick,
Apparently, Curry has been overtaken by Lasagne as Britain's favourite dish. Cracks are beginning to appear in the muticultural ediface. As all gourmets know, Lasagne comes in tins and is made by the good old British company, Cross and Blackwell. The little parcels of meat and cheese-filled pasta go so very well on toast, don't they? Hurrah for good old traditional British recipes! Alright, I'll get my coat...

Timo,

I was horrified to discover that some supermarkets sell sushi !

Raw fish ? it doesn't even go with mashed potatoes and gravy, what are they thinking ?

We'll all be wearing kimonos and planting bamboo in our cottage gardens before you know it.

Originally posted by nick2

We'll all be wearing kimonos and planting bamboo in our cottage gardens before you know it.


Haven't you started yet?

Nick,
I know, it is shocking. Who do they think their average customer is, Ryuchi Sakamoto? There will be Kabuki on at the Crucible next instead of the Snooker. Bloody philistines! At least leave us something.

Originally posted by royjames
Nope the joke is still good to me:hihi: Like I said maybe your in the wrong city,Your also under the wrong impression about being repatriated,if your relatives are born here they are perfectly entitled to stay here.
Maybe you watch too much tv,if your that worried why not look on the web site to see the truth??

Oh deary me, riposte by blind reiteration - most sophisticated. I'm not nearly as worried as you'd like me to be. And by the way Wifey wasn't born here. She came over here hell-bent on brownifying the place to its detriment and taking British jobs from good old British people. Except that there weren't enough good old British nurses to keep the hospitals stocked up, which is why the Home Office provided her with a work permit. The bloke who she saved from a huge heart attack yesterday didn't seem to mind, though.

On an aside, I do rather like the idea of wearing kimonos and putting bamboo in our cottage gardens, although some might fancy wearing kimonos and cottaging in their bamboo gardens. Ah so.

Originally posted by nick2
I was horrified to discover that some supermarkets sell sushi !

Raw fish ? it doesn't even go with mashed potatoes and gravy, what are they thinking ?
Well, the one I bought from Marks & Sparks the other day had a sticker on it saying "DOES NOT CONTAIN RAW FISH". So that's alright then, just like Chicken Tikka Masala it's another British spin on funny foreign food.

Originally posted by nick2
Try London Road (how appropriate) for stores that sell all manner of weird/wonderfull "foreign stuff".

Have you been to the wonderful Turkish delicatessen yet? They sell a little chewy stick with a label claiming to be an aphrodisiac!

I decline to divulge my test results - but hurry, whilst stocks last! :hihi:

Originally posted by redrobbo
Have you been to the wonderful Turkish delicatessen yet?

The one near Apollo video ?
They sell the most enormous pomegranates, they're like footballs, and fantatic Turkish Delight.

Joyphil,
For someone so keen on multiculturalism you certainly band a few non-pc terms like 'brownifying' and 'tar brush-licked' about. Of course, you do this in the spirit of multi-layered, 'clever dick' , postmodern irony, don't you?

By the way, it isn't okay to refer to other posters as 'you Brownshirts'. The fact that 'brown -skinned' types, as you refer to them, dislike broadbrush, insulting terms too, does not in any way justify your use of such a damning phrase. You used it, incidentally, after a quote from myself. I won't let you wriggle out of this one. Who do you refer to, Joyphil, with the term 'Brownshirts'? Enough of the contrived clever-clever wordplay, let's see some courage. Go on, who do you refer to specifically? Or are you too cowardly to do so?

Originally posted by Phanerothyme

b)black bogey syndrome - although plenty of mouthbreathers don't suffer


Finally! Noone else agrees with me that this happens! It's awful isn't it! Oh and don't wear flip-flops, your feet get filthy too.

Originally posted by timo
Joyphil,
For someone so keen on multiculturalism you certainly band a few non-pc terms like 'brownifying' and 'tar brush-licked' about. Of course, you do this in the spirit of multi-layered, 'clever dick' , postmodern irony, don't you?

By the way, it isn't okay to refer to other posters as 'you Brownshirts'. The fact that 'brown -skinned' types, as you refer to them, dislike broadbrush, insulting terms too, does not in any way justify your use of such a damning phrase. You used it, incidentally, after a quote from myself. I won't let you wriggle out of this one. Who do you refer to, Joyphil, with the term 'Brownshirts'? Enough of the contrived clever-clever wordplay, let's see some courage. Go on, who do you refer to specifically? Or are you too cowardly to do so?

Yawn, I already told you. Read back a little.

Now simmer down, it's too nice a day for your blood pressure to be going up. And what's wrong with clever dick wordplay anyway? The point underlying most of my posts is that one shouldn't take oneself too seriously. By all means take other people seriously, but not oneself.

Originally posted by noseyrosie
Finally! Noone else agrees with me that this happens! It's awful isn't it!
Oh yes, it definitely exists, and it's very nasty indeed. I used to notice this most of all when I lived in London - I was in the leafy suburbs (Teddington), and whenever I spent the day up in town I would come back with black nose-innards (and usually a headache too from all the traffic fumes). I think I've become immune to the headaches over the years, but every time I take a trip to London it still takes a few days to steam-clean the grime out of my nose.

Originally posted by DanSumption
Oh yes, it definitely exists, and it's very nasty indeed. I used to notice this most of all when I lived in London - I was in the leafy suburbs (Teddington), and whenever I spent the day up in town I would come back with black nose-innards (and usually a headache too from all the traffic fumes). I think I've become immune to the headaches over the years, but every time I take a trip to London it still takes a few days to steam-clean the grime out of my nose.

It happened to me the other day at a very dusty Cambridge Festival, and I was like 'it's like London' and noone understood...

Rock City is the worst for it

Joyphil,
You may affect boredom, suggest that I am being overly-sensitive or pretend that you were joking, but this still does not answer my question. There is all the room in the world for good-natured persiflage and japes [no one could possibly deny that I have a good sense of humour...], but you prefaced the 'Brownshirts' insult with the phrase, 'Joking aside'. This suggests that you were being quite serious. Additionally, you went on to sarcastically ask me if I was affronted by the 'broadbrush' insult, and used the example of 'brown-skinned people' being equally affronted by generalising insults.

As JoeP said on a similar thread, yesterday, there has been an increase in instances of posters insulting others with terms like 'racist', 'nazi', 'brownshirt' etc. Often, as JoeP said, this is aimed unfairly at decent, reasonable people who simply dissent from the 'multicultural party line' , or express foreboding in regard to 'race relations'. There is nothing wrong with my blood pressure, Joyphil. I am not foaming at the mouth like some demented Colonel Blimp. I am just cautioning you against the use of such terms. They are, as JoeP emphasised, potentially libellous.

If you are a mature, honourable man you will refrain from 'hitting back' with sarcasm, yawns etc, and we shall move on without any animosity.

Forget the brownshirts, it's the blacknoses I'm worried about.

Originally posted by timo
Joyphil,
You may affect boredom, suggest that I am being overly-sensitive or pretend that you were joking, but this still does not answer my question. There is all the room in the world for good-natured persiflage and japes [no one could possibly deny that I have a good sense of humour...], but you prefaced the 'Brownshirts' insult with the phrase, 'Joking aside'. This suggests that you were being quite serious. Additionally, you went on to sarcastically ask me if I was affronted by the 'broadbrush' insult, and used the example of 'brown-skinned people' being equally affronted by generalising insults.

As JoeP said on a similar thread, yesterday, there has been an increase in instances of posters insulting others with terms like 'racist', 'nazi', 'brownshirt' etc. Often, as JoeP said, this is aimed unfairly at decent, reasonable people who simply dissent from the 'multicultural party line' , or express foreboding in regard to 'race relations'. There is nothing wrong with my blood pressure, Joyphil. I am not foaming at the mouth like some demented Colonel Blimp. I am just cautioning you against the use of such terms. They are, as JoeP emphasised, potentially libellous.

If you are a mature, honourable man you will refrain from 'hitting back' with sarcasm, yawns etc, and we shall move on without any animosity.

Fine by me. Tis a lovely day after all...

Originally posted by royjames
You really should not jump to assumptions like this just because I take a different view to you,as a matter of fact yes I have been to Londonistan on more than one occasion and yes its a dump.
I used to work in neasden and I also visited south Londonistan thats the worse area of the lot,a foreign land,foreign shops everything apart from englishness there.
You can keep it thanks.

Neasden is a complete tip but then I am sure there are parts of Sheffield which would compare - in fact I am sure! AND South London - are you mad! Where about in South London did you go? South London is now the home of rich WHITE couples in designer flats - coming from South London myself I would know....

Also the previous comment regarding E London - it is very multicultural, but there it is full of rich whites as well - properties are being snapped up and developed and now it is so expensive that only really wealthy people can afford them....

Phew! I get so bored of this white facist stuff - especially people who just come to visit relatives....

Getting off the motorway at a particular junction and driving straight to your destination does not constitute KNOWLEDGE of London.

Originally posted by DanSumption
Forget the brownshirts, it's the blacknoses I'm worried about.

Should we be worried about the brown noses?:hihi:

Originally posted by Juicyb125
AND South London - are you mad! Where about in South London did you go? South London is now the home of rich WHITE couples in designer flats - coming from South London myself I would know....
Yes, there's a world of differences in South London, not quite sure whether Roy is referring to Peckham or Dulwich Village, which are about as alike as Parson Cross and Ranmoor.

'A man who is tired of London is tired of life'.

So said Samuel Johnson - but he was writing before it became 'vibrant' and before you could dine on lamb's testicles at 4 am in the morning.

really what year was this?

I LOVE LONDON!:clap: :clap:

Last night I took my cab home from my job in the City to SW London where I live and I had a good look around me so that I could write this evening.

I drove down the Embankment along the river at 10.15pm at night and it was so beautiful that I really don't know where Roy James got his observations from.

I had a good look at the streets and there was hardly any litter on them. London is full of gorgeous landmarks: Tower Bridge, The Eye, Houses of Parliament etc; wonderful parks, great cycle routes, fantastic restaurants, clubs and bars, theatres and museums (and so much more).

I find the diversity of cultures truly amazing - you can find a restaurant for any cuisine you want from any country.

All my gay friends say it is the one place where they can walk around hand in hand and feel comfortable doing it - not worried they will get comments or worse. London embraces all people, and I am proud that it does.

True some area ARE dirty, but that is because London is broken up into boroughs and each borough has a local council. If the council is a wealthy one and it doesn't have to spend all its money on benefits and housing, it subsequently has more to spend on maintenance and road cleaning etc. Vice versa if a borough does have a lot to spend out on or is mismanaged as the London Borough of Hackney has been then you get potholed roads, dirty streets, grafitti and crime.

But, unfortunately this happens in all major cities.... not just London.

To tar the whole of London with the same brush is small minded and ridiculous. To tar all of South London with the same brush is also ridiculous as South London has an abundance of beautiful parks, nice towns and lovely riverside pubs, but of course like any area (South London being HUGE) you will come across some areas which are not so nice...

London is such a big place that unfortunately you cannot appreciate it all without either living here or visiting it more than once or twice a year.

I love London, but am moving to Sheffield in Sept or Oct because of my husband's job. I have been to Sheffield 4/5 times in the last 3 months... I have seen some complete s***holes but not once have I got on this forum to slag Sheffield off... I am waiting till I move there to form a genuine, and more importantly, INFORMED opinion of ALL of Sheffield before I say anything.

There I have said my piece. :bigsmile:

Congratulations! You 'said your piece' without childishly resorting to phrases such as 'white fascist stuff' to describe the postings of others who dissent from your opinions.

Originally posted by timo
Eman Groovin,
Thankyou for enlightening us there. You are quite obviously an erudite and urbane man of culture, judging by your sophisticated written style and sonorous phrases such as 'Right wing knobs'. I personally have never been to the places you mention. Do they serve whelks for jumped-up costermongers like you to guzzle? Or perhaps Eel Pie?

Glad you recognised my class Timo. :-) But you got it wrong about the menu. I'm afraid your ignorance is showing through your carefully-worded riposte...

Yes, you have to go to St John (http://www.stjohnrestaurant.co.uk/) for high-class whelks and eels (although when I was there, the eel was smoked, and came with horseradish, rather than in a pie, and I had razor clam rather than whelks). Nice gull's eggs too.

I live in Zone 1. London is not an accurate reflection of the rest of the country in most ways. Mind you most enormous cities aren't. I do feel moderately safe here though, despite the Police being no more than a flashing blue streak once every few hours.

You learn a few interesting things living right in the thick of it. One of the most frustrating for me, and for my brother is the issue of housing. I live in a flat that costs me an arm and a leg to rent. The flat downstairs is rented by the housing association. Nice tennants, from Kosovo I think. Because it's housing association they will get subsidised housing - yet their flat is ncier than mine, and the fella downstairs parks his nice new shiny £15,000 car right next to my dilapidated 10 year old car! And i'm subsidising his housing through my tax! My brother pays a mortgage for a small flat i- newly built, Quite nice, 300K. No more than 20 yards from his house is an identical apartment block owned by the local authorities, and very nice and new it is. Thing is, why on earth does my brother pay £1200 odd per month to enjoy his nice flat (along with paying tax which pays for council houses!), yet those across the road pay £300 per month for identical digs!

It can get you very frustrated if you let it!

But I just remember that there's a greener place, where people think Livingstone is a berk. That keeps me going!