does anyone out there remember Vance Arnold and the Avengers ? or similar groups of that bygone era?:help::banana::clap:

*puts hand up* :)

does anyone out there remember Vance Arnold and the Avengers ? or similar groups of that bygone era?:help::banana::clap:There were two eras of yesteryear, late 50s to mid 60s where most of the gigging was done on dozens of pubs, dance halls, youth clubs etc
Memorial Hall Hillsborough, Coal Aston Village Hall, Black Cat Club, Mojo, Esquire.
The second era was less interesting as by the late 60s and onwards it was mainly Club Bands playing mostly the latest hit songs sad to say.

The Jigsaw/Bitter Suite in the late 60' early 70's - F-A-N-T-A-S-T-I-C!!!

Friend of mine used to manage 'The Mindreaders about 1964'. Think there was a Dave, Ricky and a Trev in the band.

tony christie & trackers, mike and chevrolaits, jan leslie &greycats,

I saw Gospel Garden several times at Down Broadway

Played in Joe Cocker's band for almost three yrs,"Avengers".Played almost every pub and dance hall in Sheffield, Rotherham, Doncaster etc;1962 to 1965.Esquire,Club 60,Blue Moon, Black Cat,Mojo,Still have all my 'bookings books'.We played the City Hall 3 or 4 times.Fav: places:-St Columbas, Crosspool, Fleur -de- Lys,Totley, Arbourthorne Hotel when Alf was the landlord, he loved us.Lathkilldale Hotel,they wouldn't let us go home. Those were the days ...Keep rockin' man.!!

Played in Joe Cocker's band for almost three yrs,"Avengers".Played almost every pub and dance hall in Sheffield, Rotherham, Doncaster etc;1962 to 1965.Esquire,Club 60,Blue Moon, Black Cat,Mojo,Still have all my 'bookings books'.We played the City Hall 3 or 4 times.Fav: places:-St Columbas, Crosspool, Fleur -de- Lys,Totley, Arbourthorne Hotel when Alf was the landlord, he loved us.Lathkilldale Hotel,they wouldn't let us go home. Those were the days ...Keep rockin' man.!!We used to do the Memorial Hall at Hillsborough alternating with you and others, our original singer worked for a while with Joe at Neepsend gassworks.
I'm still rockin although I now use 5 string Basses.

Played in Joe Cocker's band for almost three yrs,"Avengers".Played almost every pub and dance hall in Sheffield, Rotherham, Doncaster etc;1962 to 1965.Esquire,Club 60,Blue Moon, Black Cat,Mojo,Still have all my 'bookings books'.We played the City Hall 3 or 4 times.Fav: places:-St Columbas, Crosspool, Fleur -de- Lys,Totley, Arbourthorne Hotel when Alf was the landlord, he loved us.Lathkilldale Hotel,they wouldn't let us go home. Those were the days ...Keep rockin' man.!!

We were called the Raiders and used to play alternate Saturdays to you at St Columbas, Crosspool. We weren't in your league. It was a good Saturday night and with a bit of luck you'd get to walk a bird home.

Played in Joe Cocker's band for almost three yrs,"Avengers".Played almost every pub and dance hall in Sheffield, Rotherham, Doncaster etc;1962 to 1965.Esquire,Club 60,Blue Moon, Black Cat,Mojo,Still have all my 'bookings books'.We played the City Hall 3 or 4 times.Fav: places:-St Columbas, Crosspool, Fleur -de- Lys,Totley, Arbourthorne Hotel when Alf was the landlord, he loved us.Lathkilldale Hotel,they wouldn't let us go home. Those were the days ...Keep rockin' man.!!

Are you Dave Green or Kenny Slade per chance?

Is 'Sladey' still with us? Havent seen him for yonks !! Must be in his 70's now.

Thought he may have gone to the old Barley wine factory in the sky (or more likley

the hot place !!)

Is 'Sladey' still with us? Havent seen him for yonks !! Must be in his 70's now.

Thought he may have gone to the old Barley wine factory in the sky (or more likley

the hot place !!)
I put a post on here a few months ago looking for Sladey, a couple of people said he's still mooching around in Crookes telling everyone what an amazing drummer he is. Sad thing is....... he was!

Too true !! even with the 'Barleys'

No Fella, Not Dave Green or Kenny Slade, they were never "Avengers," they joined Joe when they became the Grease band or Big Blues.

used to see vance arnold & the avengers , johhny tempest & the cadillacs at youth club dances

Yes I remember many of the bands names. However, I was playing in a band called "The Tribunes" and played many of the clubs, pubs and most notably the Big Dance hall in Sheffield...... can't remember the name, but it's long gone.
band Members..
John Broddle (Lead Guitar & Vocals) Ice Blue Fender Strat & Green Burns Bison 12 string, Vox Twin Reverb and modded Copicat
Peter Bell Thats Me... (Bass Guitar & Vocals) Sunburst Fender Precision
Bob Lowery (Drums & Vocals) Slingerland Kit
Mick Steer (Rhythm Guitar & Vocals) Hofner Verithin later replaced by...
John Vigg Fender Strat I think later replaced by.....
Terry Vigg using same guitar.
The most exciting thing was getting your shirts ripped trying to get back to the dressing room. Was it the Alhambra? :loopy:Played loads of clubs in Rawmarsh,Rotherham, Barnsley, Doncaster, Goole, Hull, Wakefield. Famously played at RAF Finningley the week after the BeeGee's before they were famous.
Hope to get some replies, hope someone comes back to me.:hihi:

Fred Guite anyone have any stories to share and fond memories of my brother, who sadly died in 75. Drummer with various such as Joe Cocker, The Lizards etc. Does anyone have any photos.. My father also Fred was a drummer in many of the clubs such as Queens Road Social Club and Attercliffe in the early days. I have many memories of seeing the groups that went through the clubs, he always got a signed photograph of them for me and I kept them all in a book, unfortunately I no longer have it, what a shame. P

hi busy.P's my husband remembers your brother and father, your dad played at woodhouse central club and my husband steve, and steve saxon played in a band with young freddie. he says freddie was the greatest drummer he ever played with he once came to the rose and crown at darnall for a rehearsal and only brought a tamborine what freddie could get out of a tamborine was incredible. freddie was very wild and full of fun great bloke.

Hi mammybear

Thanks for the thread it means alot, is your husband Steve Saxton, what did he play and what was the bands name he was in with Freddie. Is it the same Steve as was at Woodhouse Central with my dad that you mentioned? P

hi busy p's no not steve saxton he's steve (bear) mellor . he plays guitar the bands name was penthouse only lasted for a short while we used to have a keyboard player called vernon nash used to play with joe cocker. he thinks fred went with jimmy james and vagabonds after penthouse and penthouse became johnny kalendar band. your brother fred once left his drum kit in our attic for about six weeks until your father came to collect it, think it was a premier red sparkle kit.

Played in Joe Cocker's band for almost three yrs,"Avengers".Played almost every pub and dance hall in Sheffield, Rotherham, Doncaster etc;1962 to 1965.Esquire,Club 60,Blue Moon, Black Cat,Mojo,Still have all my 'bookings books'.We played the City Hall 3 or 4 times.Fav: places:-St Columbas, Crosspool, Fleur -de- Lys,Totley, Arbourthorne Hotel when Alf was the landlord, he loved us.Lathkilldale Hotel,they wouldn't let us go home. Those were the days ...Keep rockin' man.!!

Still playing , I think. Wasn't always a white fender

Hi Fella, It was always a White Fender and sorry, not playing anymore.Wish I was tho: Thanks for the memories.

hi busy p's no not steve saxton he's steve (bear) mellor . he plays guitar the bands name was penthouse only lasted for a short while we used to have a keyboard player called vernon nash used to play with joe cocker. he thinks fred went with jimmy james and vagabonds after penthouse and penthouse became johnny kalendar band. your brother fred once left his drum kit in our attic for about six weeks until your father came to collect it, think it was a premier red sparkle kit.
I remember seeing Bear playing at a pub just off Mansfield Road in a duo with another lad on guitar must be 15 years ago. Bear was playing some great slide guitar and he had a fantastic voice on him. They also had a massive PA system which sounded amazing. What's he up to nowadays?

hi BobbyDazzler thanks for that. bear has retired now.

I used to follow John O'Haras Playboys in the late sixties and saw Joe Cocker many times at the Arbourthorne Hotel. I knew Alf the landlord, great guy.
Have often wondered what happened to the Playboys, I once travelled to a club in Leicester where they recorded a "Live" album which included a song called "Spicks and Specs" I think. I cannot find any trace of them on the internet and would love to get a copy of that album. I bought Joe Cocker's first album upon arrival in Australia in 1969. We wore out a few tyres driving from pubs to clubs in those days.

Hi Fella, It was always a White Fender and sorry, not playing anymore.Wish I was tho: Thanks for the memories.

You're not Phil, so you must have been the guitar playing ladies hairdresser ?

Wow fella, youv'e got a good memory,where did you see us playing? Give us a clue. What you doin in OZ.?

I cannot claim to have been around for it but I am second cousin to Ray Stuart who fronted Frankenstein. Apparently he was quite scary on stage. Unfortunately he never recorded other than on Radio Hallam. Dave Berry used to shop now and rthen in our family fruit shop on Abbeydale Road and was guaranteed to excite my mother.

Wow fella, youv'e got a good memory,where did you see us playing? Give us a clue. What you doin in OZ.?

I'll PM you.

Are you Dave Green or Kenny Slade per chance?
Hi,
Does anyone know what happened to Phil Crookes (from Crookes)???
Cal.

Hi,
Does anyone know what happened to Phil Crookes (from Crookes)???
Cal.

He's retired and living life out of the limelight.

He's retired and living life out of the limelight.

Hi,
Good to know Phil is still around. I have never met him, or him me!
He is my late Father's step brother, so that makes him my half Uncle. My Grandad was Phil's Dad (sounds complicated)!! It as always fascinated me about him, and would love to hear from him!!
Cal.

Hi Cal, (Whitefender). Re: Phil Crookes.
As you will probably have gathered I played with him for nearly three yrs:'62 to 65', then Dave Hopper joined us. The last time I saw Phil he was living about half a mile from me,I used to see his (wife/partner) quite often and he called into my shop to let me have...what was to become Joe and The Avengers 'lost tape'. He swore me to secrecy about it but next thing I know it was being released.I think he had become a 'carer' of some sort, certainly had lost his 'Rocker image', short back and sides and all smart.I haven't seen him since then perhaps 10 yrs ago.Great guitar player but wanted to go 'country' a' la Chet Atkins.Always very shy on stage.Lovely lad and when he left we missed him.

Hi Cal, (Whitefender). Re: Phil Crookes.
As you will probably have gathered I played with him for nearly three yrs:'62 to 65', then Dave Hopper joined us. The last time I saw Phil he was living about half a mile from me,I used to see his (wife/partner) quite often and he called into my shop to let me have...what was to become Joe and The Avengers 'lost tape'. He swore me to secrecy about it but next thing I know it was being released.I think he had become a 'carer' of some sort, certainly had lost his 'Rocker image', short back and sides and all smart.I haven't seen him since then perhaps 10 yrs ago.Great guitar player but wanted to go 'country' a' la Chet Atkins.Always very shy on stage.Lovely lad and when he left we missed him.

Hi,
Thanks for the info. Would loved to have known Phil, 'cause he he is my late dad's half brother!
Thanks again...Cal.

I used to follow John O'Haras Playboys in the late sixties and saw Joe Cocker many times at the Arbourthorne Hotel. I knew Alf the landlord, great guy.
Have often wondered what happened to the Playboys, I once travelled to a club in Leicester where they recorded a "Live" album which included a song called "Spicks and Specs" I think. I cannot find any trace of them on the internet and would love to get a copy of that album. I bought Joe Cocker's first album upon arrival in Australia in 1969. We wore out a few tyres driving from pubs to clubs in those days.john ohara was still doing the pub circuit up to a few yrs ago ,i also used to follow john and the playboys when i was younger , then some years later when i was a landlady in the licence trade john came sang in the pub he still had a fantastic voice , i usedto see him around hillsbro for a while,
alf pickering and the arbourthorne hotel , (lamburgher gessler) was his nickname, no one messed with alf .
alf and his wife rita were good friends of my mom and dad ,when i was about 11 i used to climb on the windowsills outside the concert room and watch the bands, the cadillacs, shane fenton,bitter suit,whirlwinds, vance arnold to name just a few ,alf used to come outside and drag me down,when i was 14 i started singing with group alf used to let us practise in the concert room and the arbour was the first place i sang in public :)

[QUOTE=WhiteFender;(Whitefender)
Re: Phil Crookes.
Always very shy on stage.Lovely lad and when he left we missed him.[/QUOTE]

I'm not surprised you missed him G, in my opinion, he was one of the greatest lead guitarist in Sheffield at that time, what ever happened to Bob E who played bass ?
If you really wanted to play again, I'm sure you wouldn't have any problem getting into a band, there are still a lot of old timers playing around the traps so I hear, and the music of that time is still very popular.

Phil: was brilliant, never missed a note but he didn;t like the 'fame' bit, very shy lad,When Hopper joined us he really made 'The Avengers' rock!!.I'm sure Phil went on to play for Steve Denton or the Scott William Combo.He wanted Joe to play'country'... can you really imagine that?
See Bob Everson regularly, he looks exactly the same as he did in the 60's.No grey hair unlike me,white and still long...B'out time I grew up.!!
Re;- playing again, I did until about 1993, Back Street Band and various others but as for now??Where would I put my zimmer frame on stage.!!See ya fella,'n' Keep rockin'.!!! G

[QUOTE=WhiteFender;5922158]
Phil: was brilliant, never missed a note but he didn;t like the 'fame' bit, very shy lad.

Thats the difference between a performer and a musician G, Phil did play with the Scott William combo for a while.
What happened with the members of the Avengers, did you all jump, or were you pushed ? you can email or PM me that answer.

The only thing I didn't respect Joe for....He got Vernon Nash and Dave Green 'hovering around' at the last few gigs we did,obviously to learn the sets.He never told Bob or myself he didn't want us anymore after three and a half yrs;It didn't worry us, as we joined "The Cherokees" together about a fortnight after. They were a club band but earned three times as much as Joe. He went to France and when he came back nobody wanted to know him, he had no money and no band (They were fed up with playing and not being paid) so disillusioned with music, he went to work for W.H.Smith's loading their early morning vans.We didn't see him for ages until he turned up at a pub we were playing (with Eileen Webster) one Friday night. He came home with us but didn't seem to want to go home, We stayed up all night and I had to go to work in the morning, play football in the afternoon and 'rock' a WMC at night. Some day.!!I keep promising I will write about those times as the books on Joe are not 'factually' correct.

Thanks for your honesty G, unfortunately I can't share what I know, as I swore I wouldn't repeat anything he has told me over the last 40 years when he has come down under.
But I can tell you that he regrets a lot of the decisions he has made in the past, and the people he has hurt along the way, he was very sincere when he told me that, sober too.
I knew Eileen very well, I'd love to catch up with her again, I think you should write a book, it would be good to read your account of things.

The only thing I didn't respect Joe for....He got Vernon Nash and Dave Green 'hovering around' at the last few gigs we did,obviously to learn the sets.He never told Bob or myself he didn't want us anymore after three and a half yrs;It didn't worry us, as we joined "The Cherokees" together about a fortnight after. They were a club band but earned three times as much as Joe. He went to France and when he came back nobody wanted to know him, he had no money and no band (They were fed up with playing and not being paid) so disillusioned with music, he went to work for W.H.Smith's loading their early morning vans.We didn't see him for ages until he turned up at a pub we were playing (with Eileen Webster) one Friday night. He came home with us but didn't seem to want to go home, We stayed up all night and I had to go to work in the morning, play football in the afternoon and 'rock' a WMC at night. Some day.!!I keep promising I will write about those times as the books on Joe are not 'factually' correct.
Hi White Fender, Where does Tommy Eyre fit into the picture? Did he join Cocker's band after Vernon Nash?

Hi,Re: Tommy Eyre and Joe Cocker.He must have joined Joe well after Bob and I left in April 1965. He could have replaced Nash but obviously we were playing for The Cherokees with Ian Gray (Robinson).Tommy was never an Avenger.

does anyone out there remember Vance Arnold and the Avengers ? or similar groups of that bygone era?:help::banana::clap:

Joe Cocker

does anyone out there remember Vance Arnold and the Avengers ? or similar groups of that bygone era?:help::banana::clap:

Freddie Flint & the Flinstones, a lot of local groups played the working mans clubs & pubs in the early sixties.

There were two eras of yesteryear, late 50s to mid 60s where most of the gigging was done on dozens of pubs, dance halls, youth clubs etc
Memorial Hall Hillsborough, Coal Aston Village Hall, Black Cat Club, Mojo, Esquire.
The second era was less interesting as by the late 60s and onwards it was mainly Club Bands playing mostly the latest hit songs sad to say.

I saw the Hollies at the Black Cat Club, Kinks, Manfred Mann at the Esquire.
I still play thier music

G, have you got a photo of the Avengers that you can put on here ?
Phil, Bob, You and ?

Vernon Nash is now running a language school in Madrid I believe.

And I worked briefly at Wards brewery. I went with one of the tech. services men, (cellar inspector) on his visits one day and we got talking about old Sheffield bands - it turned out that he was Mike Shane of the Chevrolets.

Not sure if I remeber this correctly, but I think he also kept a pub somewhere out Barnsley way.

I saw John O'Hara & the playboys many times (workingman clubs). One of the best pubs for groups around that time was the Blue Bell Hackenthorpe.
I had great discussions with John O'Hara one night, at a place neither of us should have been (sobering up)

my uncle used to play in a band called the four dons on the clubs in the early 60s

Freddie Flint & the Flinstones, a lot of local groups played the working mans clubs & pubs in the early sixties.I think you mean Alec Winstone and the Flintstones, ...may be wrong but I'm sure he was the drummer.

I think you mean Alec Winstone and the Flintstones, ...may be wrong but I'm sure he was the drummer.Totally correct,although a big west indian guy used to double up on drums while Alec fooled around! Getting back to Joe Cockers era.I was bass player with the Scott William Combo at the time along with Dave Hawley on lead.When Dave left to join the Lorne Gibson Trio,I got Phil Crookes in the band on lead.Kenny Slade joined soon afterwards on drums.I still have Scotts 1963/64 Vox AC30 ,(some time later I joined club group the Vantennas and used it for bass) which Scott played guitar through as well as our vocals at the same time.We played the Greengate Inn at High Green on Tuesdays alternating with Joe Cockers band at that time and the Hillbilly Cats.I think Phil has recently moved to Woodseats.............................your white Fender Strat,and my Vox AC30 from the same period would no doubt have a tale to tell!

Hiya fella, great to hear from you.You have probably recognised me by now.!!Amazes me how we still remember each other afer all this time.Whatever happened to Scotty? & Is Phil Crookes still playing?
Did you play on the City Hall with The Vantennas ? they were a great band at the time.We were on all Stringfellows shows there you may remember.
Re: the White Strat, I sold it to Phil Brodie about 20 odd yrs: ago,(I think it was him, and heard he'd 'customised' it) Now have a salmon pink one, a Les Paul Custom, a Hofner 'Beatle bass, and a Bluesbreaker Marshall, all promised to my grandson.

[QUOTE=Gormenghast;
I went with one of the tech. services men, (cellar inspector) on his visits one day and we got talking about old Sheffield bands - it turned out that he was Mike Shane of the Chevrolets.

I knew Mike [Roy] very well in the 60's, he used to live around Whiteways, his lead guitarist died from lung cancer from playing in the smoky old pubs and clubs from what I heard.

Some day.!!I keep promising I will write about those times as the books on Joe are not 'factually' correct.Me too, in our first 12 months on the road we giigged nearly 300 nights Sept 62 to Sept 63 and carried on throughout the heady days of 'Beatlemania'.
Our band like so many others never got a mention in the book wtitten about the scene in those days.

Me too, in our first 12 months on the road we giigged nearly 300 nights Sept 62 to Sept 63 and carried on throughout the heady days of 'Beatlemania'.
Our band like so many others never got a mention in the book wtitten about the scene in those days.I think the book about Sheffield bands in the 60s did a very good broad brush job,but there are lots of us out there no doubt, could fill a book of our own and make it equally interesting.Probably we should start a thread of humorous tales and episodes from those days,I'm sure there would be lots of contributors!...........anybody out there up for it?

I think the book about Sheffield bands in the 60s did a very good broad brush job,but there are lots of us out there no doubt, could fill a book of our own and make it equally interesting.Probably we should start a thread of humorous tales and episodes from those days,I'm sure there would be lots of contributors!...........anybody out there up for it?Sounds like a good idea, it would also be nice for someone to organise a bit of a get together before we all die off.

The only thing I didn't respect Joe for....He got Vernon Nash and Dave Green 'hovering around' at the last few gigs we did,obviously to learn the sets.He never told Bob or myself he didn't want us anymore after three and a half yrs;It didn't worry us, as we joined "The Cherokees" together about a fortnight after. They were a club band but earned three times as much as Joe. He went to France and when he came back nobody wanted to know him, he had no money and no band (They were fed up with playing and not being paid) so disillusioned with music, he went to work for W.H.Smith's loading their early morning vans.We didn't see him for ages until he turned up at a pub we were playing (with Eileen Webster) one Friday night. He came home with us but didn't seem to want to go home, We stayed up all night and I had to go to work in the morning, play football in the afternoon and 'rock' a WMC at night. Some day.!!I keep promising I will write about those times as the books on Joe are not 'factually' correct.Amongst my collection I have a 'Vance Arnold and the Avengers" business card (white with blue haze around,Tasker Rd)If you have not got one already you are welcome to it if we ever cross paths!....................also got one from my old band The Mojo sound of the "Scott William Combo" (BBC & ITV recording stars) so it says!

Hiya fella, great to hear from you.You have probably recognised me by now.!!Amazes me how we still remember each other afer all this time.Whatever happened to Scotty? & Is Phil Crookes still playing?
Did you play on the City Hall with The Vantennas ? they were a great band at the time.We were on all Stringfellows shows there you may remember.
Re: the White Strat, I sold it to Phil Brodie about 20 odd yrs: ago,(I think it was him, and heard he'd 'customised' it) Now have a salmon pink one, a Les Paul Custom, a Hofner 'Beatle bass, and a Bluesbreaker Marshall, all promised to my grandson.P S. did you read my reply? I think someones had it removed,probably touched a raw nerve!nothing intentional!

The revamped Avengers after Phil Crookes and Steve McKenna had left.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j134/skippy_63/band.jpg

They were a great band in the 60's.

I never knew that Steve was in the Avengers - he was married to my friend from 1965

I never knew that Steve was in the Avengers - he was married to my friend from 1965

Another photo coming up soon with Steve on it.

This is a very old picture of me with a Futurama III:
http://www.vintagehofner.co.uk/hofnerfs/futurama/fut.html
Scroll down to picture of Mike Fisher aka Zeke.

This is a very old picture of me with a Futurama III:
http://www.vintagehofner.co.uk/hofnerfs/futurama/fut.html
Scroll down to picture of Mike Fisher aka Zeke.
Nice photo Mike!! I sold one of those on Ebay a couple of years ago. Someone had replaced the neck with one of those shovel-headstocked Vox necks, it had been repainted a horrible navy blue, the scratchplate was smashed with bits missing, missing tremolo arm and modern replacement knobs. It was a train wreck of a guitar but I still got £350 for it from a collector in Brussels! must be the George Harrison connection.

I suppose a lot of guitarist from the sixties let their gear go for peanuts, I did.
Sold my '61 strat for a pittance and my exwife was always trying to get me to sell stuff for food, food I ask you.
Fortunately she left me and I now have a more understanding wife who is also a musician and singer so guitars come and stay these days.

My Missus always says "What do you need yet another guitar for? they all sound the same to me" philistine!!

I suppose a lot of guitarist from the sixties let their gear go for peanuts, I did.
Sold my '61 strat for a pittance and my exwife was always trying to get me to sell stuff for food, food I ask you.
Fortunately she left me and I now have a more understanding wife who is also a musician and singer so guitars come and stay these days.

Picked this 1965 Fender Jazz up in 66; sold it in 2005 for £3500

http://i40.tinypic.com/y0zmg.jpg

hi busy p
i remember your father, played at woodhouse central, i used to play in same group as your brother, square circles, he was the first drummer in sheffield to use two bass drums, and boy could he play them. still have fond memories of fred, alway asking for a sub before we got paid for gig.

Hi Billy D.

Thankyou for your reply to my post regarding my brother Freddie. Square Circles, I dont remember that, was it before he was with The Lizards of after, what year would it have been. What did you play in the group, did you ever come to our house? Have you any photograps with Freddie in the group?. Yes I knew that Freddie played two bass drums but didnt know he was the 1st in Sheffield to do that, thats fantastic to hear thanks for that. Nice to know that you also knew my father. P

Hi Billy D.

Thankyou for your reply to my post regarding my brother Freddie. Square Circles, I dont remember that, was it before he was with The Lizards of after, what year would it have been. What did you play in the group, did you ever come to our house? Have you any photograps with Freddie in the group?. Yes I knew that Freddie played two bass drums but didnt know he was the 1st in Sheffield to do that, thats fantastic to hear thanks for that. Nice to know that you also knew my father. P

Hi again
Freddie, came over to Square Circles with Barry and Jerry from Lizards, as far as i can remember , we swapped singers,drummer and bass player because other members of Lizards and Square Circles wanted to go to Germany, i played rhythm guitar, can't remember exact year prob around 66, remember watching Sheff Wed play in cup final at a pub on way to a gig in Scunthorpe.
Sorry i do not have any photographs, can't recollect going to Fred's house