Dont get into sheff town centre very much but met my wife and daughter near the markets yesterday and coudnt believe the amount of freaks walking about. Near the cannon and hen and chickens there were people walking about with bottles in there hands completley of there heads. Gangs of lads selling god nos what across from the co op, and basic chaos. Is it me or does town seem to have a different breed of people as aposed to going in meadowhall for your shopping. :confused: :confused:

its always had winos, drunks, druggies, weirdos, punks etc etc etc as far as i can remember

i WAS one :)

Yes, definitley. I used to get my bus opposite the market every day and there were all sorts of characters! I once stood at the bus stop for about 15 mins and there were about 5 people waiting, this guy just came over and started hassling everyone for no reason - he shouted at people and just made gurgling noises!!
:loopy: :loopy:

I though salvation had come in the guise of a 76 (those who have been on this bus will know how desperate the situation must have been :) ) BUT NO, he got on it as well and started singing at everyone - this was more cheerful than the gurgling so i was happy but apparantly the bus driver didnt see the funny side so he called the police and we had to wait for about 20 mins for them to remove him.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Duffer
[B]Yes, definitley. I used to get my bus opposite the market every day and there were all sorts of characters! I once stood at the bus stop for about 15 mins and there were about 5 people waiting, this guy just came over and started hassling everyone for no reason - he shouted at people and just made gurgling noises!!
:loopy: :loopy:

I think thats the same day i tried to PM Owdlad , wasn't home: :suspect:

Originally posted by poppins


I think that's the same day i tried to PM Owdlad , wasn't home: :suspect: [/B]
LMAO poppins :hihi:

That whole area seems to be going down hill badly these days. Surely it is taking it's toll on the markets and other shops custom by now :(
Maybe an increased police presence is in order to keep said lowlife off the streets?

Does Owd Lad carry a bottle of whiskey with him , if he does i saw him yesterday outside the co op??.:heyhey:

Originally posted by brooksy
Does Owd Lad carry a bottle of whiskey with him , if he does i saw him yesterday outside the co op??.:heyhey:


THATS HIM! THATS HIM!:clap:

Originally posted by vidster
LMAO poppins :hihi:

That whole area seems to be going down hill badly these days. Surely it is taking it's toll on the markets and other shops custom by now :(
Maybe an increased police presence is in order to keep said lowlife off the streets?

You'll probably see more coppers walking around soon, they'll be the ones desperately puffing away on a ciggie :D

It really is looking grim around there tho all joking apart. That area between the market and fargate looks like something out of a zombie movie.:gag:

Visited Sheff on Friday and only saw one 'weirdo' near the Cathedral on a bench. We sat on the grass for a break and quickly moved on - he had a strange look about him:gag:

We don't generally go near the markets but know from the past that there are some strange people down there and lots of chavs.

Everywhere has its funny folk.

We used to visit Sheffield markets regularly a few years back. I loved it. The hustle and bustle was all part and parcel of the market shopping experience. I had my regular meat, fish and veg stalls and we allways came home with masses of fresh food for a good price. People were friendly and the only "threat" was from the idiots that stood on the gallery spitting at the passing public! There were plenty of security blokes that would give chase to these offending youths though, and if they caught them they would be "dealt" with!
We stopped going when the old "sheaf" market started to empty of stalls. Did that coincide with the building of supertram? I can't quite remember but I do remember elements of more unsavoury characters starting to appear in the area.
My kids are grown up now and they tell me of just how the market area has degenerated. They won't go to that end of the city at all!
We live in Stocksbridge now and have done for the last 19 years. Over the last 10 of these years we have gone to Barnsley to their markets. The town centre is a lot smaller but the people are so friendly. The markets are great and remind me of what Sheffield markets once offered. In fact we very rarely visit Sheffield town centre anymore. When we do we will only go on the Moor and the High street.
I am sorry to say that Sheffield town centre no longer has anything to draw me to it. It is Barnsley for us and now I am going to go and look for my tin hat! lol.

When you get a town centre that's full of pound shops and the like, you're not going to get anything other than low life's are you?

At least in Meadowhell you don't tend to get any trouble at all (the security people would soon sort em out).

If I go into Sheffield these days, it's to meet friends who work there, I wouldn't dream of going to Sheffield to do any shopping - can never get parked for a start. If I want to browse round the shops I go to Meadowhell, plenty of parking (free too) and no hassle. Not that I go shopping very much these days.

I work at the bottom of Exchange Street at the moment and my God, the area down there is diabolical.

The Market Tavern should just be shut up and razed to the ground. It seems to attract some very disreputable looking people. It can get quite intimidatory walking past 10 or 15 guys smoking dope and drinking beer who've spilled out from the pub on to the pavement.

It is a den of iniquity down there.

Perhaps the trick is to have a 'reclaim the area' movement. Use the markets, be nice to people down there and generally start flooding the area with a better class of people and make the 'locals' feel uncomfortable for a change! :)

Joe

I was working on exchange street as a temp a couple of years ago and it was a running joke in the office as to whether the Tavern was open/under new management that day.

I have now moved jobs but also house so my bus home now runs trough there. Its always dirty and although I would love to go down and get lots of bargins in the market I find the whole area too intimidating and smelly :(

This area has really gone down hill. It is one of the reasons our city centre isn't well thought of IMO.

As Brooksy said, the centre starts at fargate upwards. Rather than try to improve and regenerate the markets they have died and the place has become a mess with down and outs!

It wants flattening as a whole or reviving with police presence and new shops.

Originally posted by brooksy
there were people walking about with bottles in there hands completley of there heads. Gangs of lads selling god nos what across from the co op, and basic chaos.

These people have a name - Sheffield United fans.:thumbsup:

Fair enough, the town centre does start at Fargate after Castle Market, but, in my opinion it ends at The Moor, and I work there temporarily. It's awful. Full of chavs, druggies, alkies, general low-lifes. It's the markets and the class of shop, it just needs completely regenerating. There is harly any police [presence and majority of nshops in that area are needing security. It might have a high foot fall, but that's just people passing through to get to Fargate area to shop or get trams! They have got all this work going on in city centre, yet, nothing is really happening on the Moor, when, in second place to Castle Markt it is where in needs to happen. The only reason Fargate is more favourable and less adorned by low-lifes is because it is where the council and government spends all it's money to create an instant aesthetic impression, lets hope the tourists don't get as far as the other areas!

Originally posted by Lestat
These people have a name - Sheffield United fans.:thumbsup:

Can't be - it sounds as tho' there's plenty of 'em !

The street drinkers and those with mental health problems have been moved from centre of town e.g. New Peace Gardens, Little Perace Gardens, Devonshire Quarter and have found refuge down that end of town. Unfortunately, moving the problem from one area does not remove the problem entirely, plus there are a number of agencies in and around that area that service these people.

Whenever I 've criticised the present -day Sheffield in the past [and I spent the first 38 years of my life there without hardly shifting , up to 1980] , a lot of posters have said ,
" Oh no , it's not really bad in the centre . It's a real ,'go ahead ' city. It was just as bad in the old days "
After reading the above postings , it seems much worse than I ever imagined it to be and it was NOT like that in the , "old days ". !

Its the same down that end of town, as it is down west street, the Mr "I have only one copy left" Big Issue and Miss "can I borrow 30p for my bus fair" and the guys sat on the corner opposite vodka revolution. The moor is terrible for drunks hurling abuse, there may be a lot of what people class as weirdos (goths, punks etc) but they are harmless (when did you last see a goth/punk etc peeing in a shop doorway/hurling abuse at passers by).

The tramp population of sheffield need moving, but there is nowhere to move them too, move em on from one place, and they'll collect somewhere else, its a vicous circle. There needs to be a cure rather than just a tempory fix.

Joel

I agree pretty much, I work down the bottom of the moor behind Wickes and I always walk up Moore St, Charter Row to get where I want to avoid going on the moor as little as possible. It's so strange that town suddenly gets nicer the further up the moor you go! And agreed, I used to love going to the markets with my mum and nan when I was little but today it's as bad as the bottom of the moor! There's so much crap that needs demolishing/rebuilding in Sheffield IMHO plus maybe they should build an area for all the weirdos where they'd be electrocuted if they left. Then again towns and cities will always have their share of weirdos/down and outs/druggies/chavs.

wow

i feel so confident about moving from my town to sheffield now :loopy:

Originally posted by breeza
wow

i feel so confident about moving from my town to sheffield now :loopy:

To be fair Breeza Sheffield just has the problems of any major city. Its just if you have lived here all your life you tend to notice when things change for the better or worse

Let me share with you my experience of a trip to this part of town.

This lunchtime I went to a cheapo shop down near the market. I won’t say what it was called but it seemed the ideal place for some cheap picture frames.

It's a store well known for its thrifty cheapness and I think its fair to say that its range of economy products appeals mostly to certain elements of society. But I'm not proud so I went in.

Inside I had to push my way through bent and cackling old hags, obese identically shell-suited families, screeching neglected infants and feral, empty-eyed, sallow-faced youths who seemed intent only on furtively pocketing even these virtually worthless products.

There was more burberry on show, more leggings, baseball caps and casual sportswear in there than in an entire chain of Mr Sanjit Patel's Mega-Value Economy Clothing Warehouses - if such an outlet exists. Every council estate, every pub on every council estate, every parole office, every dole office, every betting shop, every care-in-the-community-chuck-em-in-there-cos-nobody-else-wants-the-poor-b*ggers-home in the city must have emptied its contents into that shop. I felt like I'd died and gone to Rotherham.

Over by the counter a teenage Chavette, hair scraped up severely into a ponytail on top of her head, was trying to beat her crotchety baby to sleep in its pram "I've told you - effing shut up and go to sleep!" - was her sweet lullaby to the infant as she slapped its legs. Everywhere I looked, in every aisle, behind every display lurked sickly, pimply, feckless, slack-jawed, knuckle-dragging, misshapen, dull-eyed, furrow-browed, gurgling, gurning and very possibly interbred examples of humanity. All desperately trying to purchase some tacky, shoddy and inevitably unwanted gifts for their unrestrained, ever-extending families. I'm sure there were faces in there that had never seen natural daylight.

I quickly chose some frames and patiently queued up behind a skanky tattooed couple who were having a full effing volume effing blinding effing row. Whilst behind me stood a guy who smelt like a neglected urinal. Then I paid my £2.97 and made my escape. Back to the world of the washed and upright and relatively normal. That'll teach me to be such a skinflint.

Agree needs some thought and redevelopment !

Originally posted by Wheezy
I felt like I'd died and gone to Rotherham.


:D lol :D

full of decrepid animals, as soon as you walk into castle market for example, it just aint funny, come on people

Originally posted by Wheezy
Let me share with you my experience of a trip to this part of town.
Mr Sanjit Patel's Mega-Value Economy Clothing Warehouses - if such an outlet exists. Every council estate, every pub on every council estate, every parole office, every dole office, every betting shop, every care-in-the-community-chuck-em-in-there-cos-nobody-else-wants-the-poor-b*ggers-home in the city must have emptied its contents into that shop. I felt like I'd died and gone to Rotherham.

That'll teach me to be such a skinflint.

Mr Sanjit Patel's Mega-Value Economy Clothing Warehouses and the good people of Rotherham will be out looking to hunt you down like a dawg :D the rest of us applaud you :clap: :clap: :clap: :D

Why is it, the only people who ever wear leggings, are those that REALLY shouldn't.............?

Hmm... Is Wheezy talking about a certain store beginning with W?

I must say, I use the market for meat/fish shopping most Fridays, and the quality/value of produce is much better than your average supermarket.

OK, it does feel as if you've just landed in that bar in Starwars, and nearly everyone you see has either something missing or an extra one, but I've never been hassled once by anyone. As far as I'm concerned, I mind my own business and they mind theirs.

You certainly wouldn't find me venturing into the Market Tavern, Cannon or Hen and Chickens though......not unless I develope a strange death wish.

Originally posted by Wheezy
I felt like I'd died and gone to Rotherham.



Mate! you don't need to die to come to Rotherham.

You might need to be bullet proof or well insured if ever you do though with comments like that. :D

There aren't too many chavs in Rotherham anymore - not since the illegals found out they taste like chicken :hihi:

Originally posted by RoyalRegular
OK, it does feel as if you've just landed in that bar in Starwars, and nearly everyone you see has either something missing or an extra one

Have you noticed how many hunchbacks there are in the Castle Market, and people with limps?

It's like going shopping in Mideon (place were monsters live in a Clive Barker book/film).

I have yet to pluck-up the courage for a bacon buttie in the market, they look so fatty, but I do like a nice "frothy coffee" (would YOU dare ask for a cappuchino in the markets ?) at the stand-up tea/coffee stall.

I know that part of town is a bit of a dump and alot of the clientele look like extras from mos eisley - but I used to do all my food shopping there and never felt intimidated, never pickpocketed and my bike was never stolen from outside. It must be pretty hard to make a living in the markets, I kept on telling all my friends how good the bargains are there ( after shopping in the market you can appreciate how the supermarkets rip you off at every chance they get) but most only managed a couple of trips before being scared off by all the bad things dwn there everyone else has mentioned. It is a disgrace its been allowed to get like that tho -what happened to those plans for a new cinema, hotel and shopping complex that was being mooted a couple of years ago?

I refuse to walk through town on my own. I have been verbally abused several times from blokes on division street. The reason for this is that i have a short haircut and they seem to think it's ok to throw abuse at me everytime i walk down the street. I once plucked up some courage to say something back to them but this only ended up in them shouting (at the top of their voice) that i was fat! I am a size 10 for gods sake.
I will only go in to town if i am with someone else. It's disgusting. There is no way on this earth i would go down near the markets, i would get beaten up.