This could be seen as a little grumble at the council making a mountain out of a molehill...

The Star on Monday had a report on more accidents on Eccy Rd/junc Summerfield St.

Turning right off Ecclesall Rd as, if youve done it, is a little on the dangerous side... but after 20 injuries in 5 years,
'its being considered making a no-right turn' -decision and completion:late winter

quote from star 'there have been requests for a this and crossing here before, but it has been a difficult and an expensive project, on our very limited budget'

**Put a NO RIGHT TURN sign on Ecclesall Rd and put a crossing 20 yds up Summerfield St**

HOW EXPENSIVE IS THAT????

no doubt, they'll have to narrow the road first, add 'hatched' areas, stick a kerb in the middle of the road (like Arundel Gate) some speed bumps for good measure etc etc rant rant
(i hate these topics but someone else must get annoyed by roads)

Any thoughts or am I on my own???

djash1000 you're not the only one that gets annoyed by roads/road signs (or lack of) etc

I've just posted a thread before I read yours.

I also asked the council what I need to do in order to get our road and the rest of the estate designated a 20mph zone. Response: As most people who use the road are residents they will probably not go above 20mph anyway - whaaat!!!!!

They want to come and stand on the corner for an hour or two -some people speed round the corner and end up on the other side of the road - only about 30 times a day! The entrance road (where I live) to the estate is quite long and straight so even residents don't really slow down.

The number of times i've been about to cross and a car has speeded round the corner is too many times to count. But hey, I only live here and have to take my life in my hands to cross the bloomin road.

Have the council recently come into some money? I've seen loads of new road signs (speed limit signs) going up, some of them placed right in front of the old one's, when the old one's look perfectly fine :loopy:

djash1000

I"m asking this in all sincerity-----what is particularly dangerous about the right turn from Ecclesall Road into Summerfield Street ?
You go down Eccy. Rd. , get into the right -hand lane and wait for the lights-----well , at least you used to do ! I don't live in Sheffield now , just visit.
If you mean it's dangerous for pedestrians, well as far as I recall , there aren't any obstructions , so surely they can see if any traffic 's coming ?Especially so with the lights controlling the flow.
Maybe , it's changed somehow since I was last there.
I'm not the world's best motorist ---or pedestrian , for that matter ! ----so that's why I'm genuinely curious as to where exactly the danger lies ?

Has anyone seen the timed no entry at the bottom of Cemetry road, that joins on to London road?

Its no entry during peak hours (except buses), but its only a very very VERY small stretch, and I have no idea what benefit it has?! Its not a hindrence to buses when its not there is it?

Can anyone shed any light on this?!

Originally posted by Cardboard
Has anyone seen the timed no entry at the bottom of Cemetry road, that joins on to London road?

Its no entry during peak hours (except buses), but its only a very very VERY small stretch, and I have no idea what benefit it has?! Its not a hindrence to buses when its not there is it?

Can anyone shed any light on this?!

It's there to generally annoy motorists and keep all the traffic on the main routes, increase congestion at peak time in an attempt to force traffic off the roads, and onto buses.

It's the same approach as a surgeon, faced with poor blood flow to the heart decides to remove a few arteries. Entirely logical.

A lot of people ignore that sign and go through the no entry anyway

John

Originally posted by jpow112

A lot of people ignore that sign and go through the no entry anyway

John

What happens if the police catch you? Is it a fine/points/both?

probably both.

I often go through at 8am. it changes to no entry at about 8.02. If you're unlucky the sign at the top says you can go through, and by the time you're at the bottom of the hill it's no entry.

I guess at some point there will be a police car to nick all the cars that go through- it's easy money.

John

Originally posted by Cardboard
What happens if the police catch you? Is it a fine/points/both?

There is a regular blitz with a policeman handing out tickets at the no entry sign and one at the back stopping anyone doing a 3 pointer and driving back up cemetary road - thus creating their own traffic jam where traffic would normally move ok. never seen a jam there in the 6 years I've worked down there.

Originally posted by commuter
There is a regular blitz with a policeman handing out tickets at the no entry sign and one at the back stopping anyone doing a 3 pointer and driving back up cemetary road

But you dont have to do a 3 pointer and turn back up cemetry road, coz if you are going down cemetry road and see the police at the no entry sign, you can always take a left so that you're driving on that road that goes between Greens and Waitrose....cant you???

There is nothing wrong with the junction - the problem lies with motorists who shouldn't be on the road. Like in school, a few who cause the problems results in the rest of us suffering. A few numpties who can't negotiate a busy right-hand turn will mean the rest of us having to travel further to get to the same place.

Remove the dodgy motorists. If you don't pass your driving test by the fourth attempt, then it's quite clear that you're never going to be an adequate driver. It amazes me that people think there's a divine right to be able to drive.

If I wanted to be a scientist and couldn't pass the exam, after four attempts, I'd come to the conclusion that I'm simply not cut out to be a scientist.

You get the idea?

No doubt a few 'I passed on my eleventh test' drivers will be waiting to vent their spleen.

Making this into a 'no right turn' junction would cause CHAOS!

Pomona St, Summerfield Street is a busy office park with thousands of people working there and lots and lots of car parking. Closing this to right turns would mean that all traffic going towards town will either have to go all the way down to the roundabout and back up - through the nightmare Ecclesall Rd roundabout queue at rush hour...

... or turn right down Pomona Street (which you pass before the road in question), to rat tun around the back of Hartwells.

Guess which people will do. :huh:

Unless we're missing something here, you have to wonder which bright spark came up with this completely bonkers plan.

:shakes: :loopy:

Originally posted by Fareast
djash1000
I"m asking this in all sincerity-----what is particularly dangerous about the right turn from Ecclesall Road into Summerfield Street ?
The problem, if I have the right junction here, is that the barriers down the centre, make it hard for some car drivers to see what's coming until they are actually stood in the junction.

And the right turn means that you have to cross two lanes and pass a left turn lane from the opposite direction, and I have often seen near misses as people don't seem to see that something is coming until too late, and in addition the wide roadway out of town tempts boy/girl racers to get up to 40mph+ (in a 30) before the road narrows at the pomona, meaning the nervous right turning older drivers with poorer vision, might turn in front of them without realising they are coming. Especially if there are some annoying prats behind getting impatient as they wait behind to turn themselves.

At the evening rush hour the whole area is gridlock, which would mean that any ristrictions in turning would make the traffic queues even longer, and car drivers even angrier.

muddycoffee, you're right about that junction. It doesn't seem too bad if you know it well and are confident you can get across quickly, but the margin for error is tiny (I dread to think what might happen if someone stalled as they set off). Maybe the better solution would be a roundabout - and certainly removal of the barriers. I can see them right now and they look lovely with those planters on, but the railings totally obscure the view for drivers wanting to turn.

I'm with muddycoffee on this one, when you have gone past the point of no return you cannot see the traffic lights at this junction. You have no way of knowing if the traffic approaching form town is stopping to let you through, or because the lights have changed and are against them. By the time you have figured that it's safe the traffic from Summerfield St is hurtling towards you or cutting in front of you, you can't see any traffic lights for that direction either and it all happens again.

Yes there are bad drivers but some junctions could be more user friendly. Don't get me started on the complete shambles that is Ecclesall Rd & top of Carterknowle Rd, particularly at rush hour going out of town.

Hehe, we, the motorists seem to be agreed that the problem is the lousy junction layout, not motorists or pedestrians.

In which case, maybe SCC will take notice of this and look at redesigning it, not just shutting bits off, causing chaos elsewhere.

Now, where's a councillor when you need one? Where's redrobbo?

Originally posted by Fareast

I"m asking this in all sincerity-----what is particularly dangerous about the right turn from Ecclesall Road into Summerfield Street ?

My thanks to muddy coffee/mathom/pete jim for saving me from typing the answer to this. They make all the points clear.

Ousetunes-
There is nothing wrong with the junction - the problem lies with motorists who shouldn't be on the road.

This could be used as a reason with any junction, i agree with you. But Mathom rightly points out, there a tiny margin of error on this particular one.

Tony-
Making this into a 'no right turn' junction would cause CHAOS!

Isn't that what they're trying to do everywhere in the City?

Thanks for all the responses, but no one has actually answered my point... Why has this gotta cost so much if they're doing it anyway? It only needs a sign and a crossing?

If they put in a pedestrian crossing about halfway up Summerfield Street, just after Napier Street (where EDS is/was?) then surely that wouldn't cost very much at all? That road is a nightmare to get across on foot, and it would have the added bonus of enabling cars to get out of Napier Street and the side street opposite when the lights went red. That would cut congestion and cut the risk of accidents on Summerfield Street.

But those railings on Ecclesall Road ought to go, they are just too high for drivers making right turns to see round, and maybe pulling back the lights as you leave town by 100 yards would make it less like a race track? And a simple adjustment to the timing of the lights, a longer delay before the cars from Summerfield Street can turn would help, too.

Re: the right turn -

Why can't they just put a filter in? So you have to wait for the green light pointing right, which comes on when the oncoming traffic has been stopped.

[mbatey]

Originally posted by mbatey
Re: the right turn -

Why can't they just put a filter in? So you have to wait for the green light pointing right, which comes on when the oncoming traffic has been stopped.

Perfect!!! Problem solved, but the council dont get to spend lots of money altering and moving the road, adding some kerbs etc etc

Originally posted by djash1000
This could be seen as a little grumble at the council making a mountain out of a molehill...

The Star on Monday had a report on more accidents on Eccy Rd/junc Summerfield St.

Turning right off Ecclesall Rd as, if youve done it, is a little on the dangerous side... but after 20 injuries in 5 years,
'its being considered making a no-right turn' -decision and completion:late winter

quote from star 'there have been requests for a this and crossing here before, but it has been a difficult and an expensive project, on our very limited budget'

**Put a NO RIGHT TURN sign on Ecclesall Rd and put a crossing 20 yds up Summerfield St**



we'll probabily have to pay for it the tax payer's.

HOW EXPENSIVE IS THAT????

no doubt, they'll have to narrow the road first, add 'hatched' areas, stick a kerb in the middle of the road (like Arundel Gate) some speed bumps for good measure etc etc rant rant
(i hate these topics but someone else must get annoyed by roads)

Any thoughts or am I on my own???

hiya, if u add a filter in then thats adding another 'stage' to the lights, which delays the traffic more...

as theres no real safety issue at this junction i doubt scc would want to do this.

also pedestrians wont want to walk down summerfield st to continue across from ecc road to ecc road i dont think

if it is made no right turn tho you are all right, it def would mean people going round the back of hartwells.

Originally posted by Cardboard
But you dont have to do a 3 pointer and turn back up cemetry road, coz if you are going down cemetry road and see the police at the no entry sign, you can always take a left so that you're driving on that road that goes between Greens and Waitrose....cant you??? Just reporting what happens. I have seen the police stop people going anywhere other than straight on towards the man with the tickets. you takes your chances then pays your money - in this case I think that's probably the correct way round

So you put a "no right turn" into Summerfield Street and then how can you get from Broomhill to Nether Edge, considering that at the moment Brocco Bank is uphill only?

Surely one solution would be to make the two lanes out of Summerfield Street separate (1 left, 1 right). Allow a left turn on a filter and have traffic coming up Ecclesall Road stopped, allowing traffic to turn into Summerfield Street from upper Ecclesall Road.

Get those hanging baskets of flowers replaced by low level tubs.

Originally posted by Hopman
[B]So you put a "no right turn" into Summerfield Street and then how can you get from Broomhill to Nether Edge, considering that at the moment Brocco Bank is uphill only

just to clarify, i'm not a supporter of making it no right turn, but i believe its pretty much gonna be done.