http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/6501175/Five-British-soldiers-shot-in-Afghanistan-Taliban-claim-responsibility.html

Inevitable outcome of hasty recruitment and vetting ? And now all Afghan recruits become suspects.

Taliban infiktrator kills five British soldiers

What's an infiktrator?

What's an infiktrator?

What's a pendant?

..very, very sad.

Will there ever be a peaceful outcome for that country that allows allied service men and women to come home?

What's an infiktrator?

It's a deliberate typo, there are idiots on this forum would much rather post sniggering comment about that than discuss the horrendous problems this incident will cause the mission in Afghanistan.

No doubt a mod will correct it shortly but not before you exposed yourself :hihi:

Terrible. Just to add, not all Afghan security personnel have become suspects. This was the actions of the minority. I am guessing everyone else in the security services do a remarkable job for their country. Don't tar them all with same brush!

Terrible. Just to add, not all Afghan security personnel have become suspects. This was the actions of the minority. I am guessing everyone else in the security services do a remarkable job for their country. Don't tar them all with same brush!Sad news but the risk of this type of thing happening was always there. Sooner or later they were going to get through, and the more desperate they get the higher the risk is also.

From experience of Iraq, it's not been as widespread in Afghanistan but Americans and Pakistani forces have seen this type of attack so much more.

it were inevitable some of the afghan army are fighting against the taliban which are actually there family aswell.
what may be even more of a concern is the afghan army selling of weapons to taliban.

Terrible. Just to add, not all Afghan security personnel have become suspects. This was the actions of the minority. I am guessing everyone else in the security services do a remarkable job for their country. Don't tar them all with same brush!

I didn't mean all Afghan recruits would be suspect in my view - but the object of the attack, apart from the cold-blooded murder, is to sow the seeds of doubt in the NATO forces operating there, and of course the Afghan recruits themselves.

Quite often recruits who 'turn' like this do so to protect their families who have been abducted and face certain death if their relative in the local police force/militia doesn't comply with the orders of the insurgents.

..very, very sad.

Will there ever be a peaceful outcome for that country that allows allied service men and women to come home?


No, and it will never be a democracy for women, Islam wont allow them equal rights.
America has had its pound of flesh for 9/11. Afghanistan is not worth dying for.

Its way time we brought ALL british Army lads home from this **** hole of a place, we have superior military force to end this bloody war in a week why not use it?
None of these taliban are men enough to fight hand to hand there COWARDS that hide behind women and kids and roadside bombs!
If they wish to fight dirty why cant we ?
send in the bombers <BlackBirds and Harrier Fighter's see the size of there balls then

What's a pendant?

Something you hang round your neck as far as I know, but why are you asking in this thread?

..very, very sad.

Will there ever be a peaceful outcome for that country that allows allied service men and women to come home?

Not in the foreseeable future sadly. They are talking about 30 more years of this madness...and it is MAD! :gag:

Or save the air fuel and send in the present system of four Vanguard class submarines armed with up to 16 Trident missiles, which each carry nuclear warheads in up to 8 MIRVs
The UK have lost enough of our lads to these scum

Or save the air fuel and send in the present system of four Vanguard class submarines armed with up to 16 Trident missiles, which each carry nuclear warheads in up to 8 MIRVs
The UK have lost enough of our lads to these scum

I don't know what your problem is...but I bet it's hard to pronounce. :hihi:

I don't know what your problem is...but I bet it's hard to pronounce. :hihi:
ERM THIS IS MY PROBLEM
There have been 4,237 coalition deaths -- 3,931 Americans, two Australians, OVER 200 Britons, 13 Bulgarians, one Czech, seven Danes, two Dutch, two Estonians, one Fijian, one Hungarian, 33 Italians, one Kazakh, one Korean, three Latvian, 22 Poles, three Romanians, five Salvadoran, four Slovaks, 11 Spaniards, two Thai and 18 Ukrainians -- in the war in Iraq as of January 25, 2008, according to a CNN count. And there more still dying average of 30,236

ERM THIS IS MY PROBLEM
There have been 4,237 coalition deaths -- 3,931 Americans, two Australians, OVER 200 Britons, 13 Bulgarians, one Czech, seven Danes, two Dutch, two Estonians, one Fijian, one Hungarian, 33 Italians, one Kazakh, one Korean, three Latvian, 22 Poles, three Romanians, five Salvadoran, four Slovaks, 11 Spaniards, two Thai and 18 Ukrainians -- in the war in Iraq as of January 25, 2008, according to a CNN count. And there more still dying average of 30,236

Not many Krauts on that list - of course their Constitution prevents it.

Does it also prevent them putting their hands in their pockets and stumping up for a few Chinooks ? :confused:

not many krauts on that list - of course their constitution prevents it.

Does it also prevent them putting their hands in their pockets and stumping up for a few chinooks ? :confused:

spot on post

ERM THIS IS MY PROBLEM
There have been 4,237 coalition deaths -- 3,931 Americans, two Australians, OVER 200 Britons, 13 Bulgarians, one Czech, seven Danes, two Dutch, two Estonians, one Fijian, one Hungarian, 33 Italians, one Kazakh, one Korean, three Latvian, 22 Poles, three Romanians, five Salvadoran, four Slovaks, 11 Spaniards, two Thai and 18 Ukrainians -- in the war in Iraq as of January 25, 2008, according to a CNN count. And there more still dying average of 30,236

And how is this YOUR problem?

Or save the air fuel and send in the present system of four Vanguard class submarines armed with up to 16 Trident missiles, which each carry nuclear warheads in up to 8 MIRVs
The UK have lost enough of our lads to these scum

Yeah because killing millions to weed out a few thousand makes perfect sense.

Hitler would be proud!

spot on post

Nonsense, the Germans aren't getting involved because they're not as stupid and as us and actually give a crap about their citizens.

Nonsense, the Germans aren't getting involved because they're not as stupid and as us and actually give a crap about their citizens.
British soldiers are being sacrificed on a lie made up by the Americans. Have a look at this BBC report http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC8MpvyIUXA&feature=related
Shows how much the Government cares for their lives.

its a war WE CANNOT and WONT win, the russians found that out...theyd still be fighting and dying now

Its way time we brought ALL british Army lads home from this **** hole of a place, we have superior military force to end this bloody war in a week why not use it?
None of these taliban are men enough to fight hand to hand there COWARDS that hide behind women and kids and roadside bombs!
If they wish to fight dirty why cant we ?
send in the bombers <BlackBirds and Harrier Fighter's see the size of there balls then

1st - Week? then what were our lads been doing there for 8 years?

2nd - like our lads hide behind 62 tons of challengers?

3rd - Again, did we go there for a picnic?


Time has come for Pakistani, US, UK and Nato forces to leave this country which left thousands of Soviets, Alexandrians and others dead before the vultures.

Reason I'm being so harsh is that, is this war worth fighting for our country? US sows and we reap bad.

Condolences to the families of those lads murdered by a religious fanatical nutter posing as an officer of the law.. Talk about lower than a gnats chuff.. :evil: And we are trying to save what ?? exactly ! Time that the powers that be get all our troops out and give them the gift that keeps on giving. Just one NUKE ! ;):thumbsup: Not much of a loss to the general gene pool is it ? Afghanistan.... :confused:

Its way time we brought ALL british Army lads home from this **** hole of a place

Arguably yes.
, we have superior military force to end this bloody war in a week why not use it?
Utter nonsense.
None of these taliban are men enough to fight hand to hand there COWARDS that hide behind women and kids and roadside bombs!
If they wish to fight dirty why cant we ?
send in the bombers <BlackBirds and Harrier Fighter's see the size of there balls then

We already drop quite a lot of bombs on them, silly.

Condolences to the families of those lads murdered by a religious fanatical nutter posing as an officer of the law.. Talk about lower than a gnats chuff.. :evil: And we are trying to save what ?? exactly ! Time that the powers that be get all our troops out and give them the gift that keeps on giving. Just one NUKE ! ;):thumbsup: Not much of a loss to the general gene pool is it ? Afghanistan.... :confused:
You are upset because they killed our Soldiers. Our response should be to kill millions of innocent people. Nice, that should end the trouble now shouldn't it?

You are upset because they killed our Soldiers. Our response should be to kill millions of innocent people. Nice, that should end the trouble now shouldn't it?
it certainly stopped the japs in ww2

it certainly stopped the japs in ww2OK, that is interesting, so the British drop a nuke and the Americans in charge in Kabul surrender immediately, that makes sense:hihi:

OK, that is interesting, so the British drop a nuke and the Americans in charge in Kabul surrender immediately, that makes sense:hihi:
there would be no one around to surrender if the job was done properly

there would be no one around to surrender if the job was done properlyIF!!
It's the Americans out there fella, can you imagine anything done properly? Mission accomplished! Yeah right:roll:
Two wars so far and both based on lies, that's proper. Mind you they made proper fools out of those who supported the war though, at least they can do something properly.
Check out the video link in post #22 Depoix, of how unfair it is for our Soldiers to be sacrificed for the American deceit.

IF!!
It's the Americans out there fella, can you imagine anything done properly? Mission accomplished! Yeah right:roll:
Two wars so far and both based on lies, that's proper. Mind you they made proper fools out of those who supported the war though, at least they can do something properly.why do you think the americans would mess it up ? they did it right the first time didnt they ? what would be missed if afghanistan were nuked ?its not a holiday resort ,they arnt neighbours and they only produce drugs,the land isnt good for much either except the gas and oil but im sure we could find a way to extract that safely

why do you think the americans would mess it up ? they did it right the first time didnt they ? what would be missed if afghanistan were nuked ?its not a holiday resort ,they arnt neighbours and they only produce drugs,the land isnt good for much either except the gas and oil but im sure we could find a way to extract that safely
That is exactly the mentality that terrorists are blessed with, that life of the enemy is worthless. Now maybe you see why they plant bombs on buses and trains, they are just like you. No respect for other's life.

Human condition allows us to imagine suffering and pain of others and if you feel aggrieved by our losses, then spare a thought for millions you advocate should be killed for other reason than they are of no monitory value to yourself.

That is exactly the mentality that terrorists are blessed with, that life of the enemy is worthless. Now maybe you see why they plant bombs on buses and trains, they are just like you. No respect for other's life.

Human condition allows us to imagine suffering and pain of others and if you feel aggrieved by our losses, then spare a thought for millions you advocate should be killed for other reason than they are of no monitory value to yourself.i was pullin your pisser you daft bugger ,nuking the afgans will never happen unless they fire one off first ,but its a great idea to draw up the plan then let it get discovered ,how many taliban would surrender when faced with the wrath of nuclear power ?how many civilians would bottle out and turn informer ?

That is exactly the mentality that terrorists are blessed with, that life of the enemy is worthless. Now maybe you see why they plant bombs on buses and trains, they are just like you. No respect for other's life.

Human condition allows us to imagine suffering and pain of others and if you feel aggrieved by our losses, then spare a thought for millions you advocate should be killed for other reason than they are of no monitory value to yourself. You are a grade A tiny mind wind up artist aren't you Tab1 ? Your efforts are priceless to say the least if not poetic. but the moo poo that you seem to stand on your soap box for keeps getting innocent people killed... please discuss... The forum should have a crapometer to remind posters like you that lads from our country are doing a job just like you or me and earning a wage.. difference is that I am proud of the job I do and the lads in Afghanistan are proud of the job they do, they are told where to go and what to do and don't have an option.. You seem to think different tabby one ?? why ??

You are a grade A tiny mind wind up artist aren't you Tab1 ? Your efforts are priceless to say the least if not poetic. but the moo poo that you seem to stand on your soap box for keeps getting innocent people killed... please discuss... The forum should have a crapometer to remind posters like you that lads from our country are doing a job just like you or me and earning a wage.. difference is that I am proud of the job I do and the lads in Afghanistan are proud of the job they do, they are told where to go and what to do and don't have an option.. You seem to think different tabby one ?? why ??
It may help for you to read my post again for understanding. Earning a wage? The forces are doing a proud job and there is no question of their professionalism to do so. Crapometer shows you have wrong end of the stick. If we have people on here advocating dropping nukes on a country because five of our lads have been killed by a lone gunman, then doesn't that reflect how the terrorist mindset work, kill indiscriminately regardless of guilt simply for looking like the enemy?
I didn't even mention our army, it's our Government who sent them in harms way based on a lie drummed up by the Americans. Just watch that link in post#22 where BBC admit there is no such think as Al-Quieda. Yet we have had mountains bombed and caves searched and.....ahh just watch the video.

i was pullin your pisser you daft bugger ,nuking the afgans will never happen unless they fire one off first ,but its a great idea to draw up the plan then let it get discovered ,how many taliban would surrender when faced with the wrath of nuclear power ?how many civilians would bottle out and turn informer ?Those are guys who run to Mosque and pray for victory Depoix, they've never heard of a nuke and probably never will. Those hillbillies have known nothing else but conflict in their lives, and death is not something they are scared of as you or I would be. This mentality is not understood so far by powers that be to our cost in lives. Death to them is simply Allah's will and they move on. Honour is paramount and a humiliated Afghan will avenge his humiliation by even giving his life. If you kill his family then you get what is happening now in that country Al-Quieda or no Alquieda.

tab ,i hqve noticed that in most posts you slate america,why ?we are their ally if requested we always help them as they do us we are one nation on the battle field,it's exactly the same as you ,muslim is brother to muslim,am i right or wrong in suggesting you say america when in reality you mean britain ? we are so closely tied it would be hard to tell the differance

tab ,i hqve noticed that in most posts you slate america,why ?we are their ally if requested we always help them as they do us we are one nation on the battle field,it's exactly the same as you ,muslim is brother to muslim,am i right or wrong in suggesting you say america when in reality you mean britain ? we are so closely tied it would be hard to tell the differanceIt was never Britain's war in Afghanistan or in Iraq. Both wars based on a lie by whom? How can we say it was Britain who pushed for the war, we just hung on to their coat tails, it's America's war and if you watched that BBC report you'll see it's based on a lie. Why can't I say America because I happen to be a Muslim Depoix?
As you may have noticed also if I want to say Britain I have no difficulty in writing that either, so stop insinuating ulterior motives.

And for the last point, they can't tell the difference, you may recall the London bombings.

It was never Britain's war in Afghanistan or in Iraq. Both wars based on a lie by whom? How can we say it was Britain who pushed for the war, we just hung on to their coat tails, it's America's war and if you watched that BBC report you'll see it's based on a lie. Why can't I say America because I happen to be a Muslim Depoix?
As you may have noticed also if I want to say Britain I have no difficulty in writing that either, so stop insinuating ulterior motives.
you can say what you want tab,but america and britain are tied by history as well as treaties we may have followed them as you say ,but the people we elected made that choice for us we didnt have a say in it ,neither did our soldiers,we hold the upperhand should we ever need it at the minute we are taking losses ,thats because we have a good policy on only firing at militants who fire at us in truth we only fire when and if our lives are threatened ,in northern ireland we had a similar policy ,the yellow card,eventually discussion led to a tenuous peace ,it can happen in afganistan,but first the warlords have to be brought down ,the people have to realise its their country their choice on how its run,but if we pull out now it will go back to the old ways of innocents living under threat from their own kind ,thats why were there,to give those innocents the choice

Its way time we brought ALL british Army lads home from this **** hole of a place, we have superior military force to end this bloody war in a week why not use it?
None of these taliban are men enough to fight hand to hand there COWARDS that hide behind women and kids and roadside bombs!
If they wish to fight dirty why cant we ?
send in the bombers <BlackBirds and Harrier Fighter's see the size of there balls then

Why dont we do the world a favour and bomb afghanistan and somalia come to that

Those are guys who run to Mosque and pray for victory Depoix, they've never heard of a nuke and probably never will. Those hillbillies have known nothing else but conflict in their lives, and death is not something they are scared of as you or I would be. This mentality is not understood so far by powers that be to our cost in lives. Death to them is simply Allah's will and they move on. Honour is paramount and a humiliated Afghan will avenge his humiliation by even giving his life. If you kill his family then you get what is happening now in that country Al-Quieda or no Alquieda. Doesnt stop the dirty murdering stards from killing innocent people though does it and in what cause ?? Muslims for justice for allah ?? Bull****.. Murdering retards...

The last two posts are a powerful argument for post natal abortion.

The last two posts are a powerful argument for post natal abortion.

we all have a chance to place our views like you have chance to try and be funny, even though you are not

Doesnt stop the dirty murdering stards from killing innocent people though does it and in what cause ?? Muslims for justice for allah ?? Bull****.. Murdering retards...What has it got to do with Muslims for justice for Allah? Their country has been invaded by a force which they see as bent on destruction and you sing the propaganda line like a canary about Muslims. Those hillbillies see it as fighting for a cause as no doubt we would here if we were invaded. We gave them that cause by invading their country bombing a lot of caves looking for a network of terrorists that didn't exist. The people we killed had family members sworn to avenge their loved ones' deaths. We sleepwalked into a war as the aggressors.

we all have a chance to place our views like you have chance to try and be funny, even though you are notCome on you must admit it is funny though:hihi:

And people wonder why Islam and the West are on a collision course? We went there as the token Europeans to make Bush's war on terror 'acceptable'. It was an illegal war and can never be won. Look at Vietnam. We still allow indoctrination schools to flourish in this country and guess what! The government funds them.

Not in the foreseeable future sadly. They are talking about 30 more years of this madness...and it is MAD! :gag:

I'm sure the British public won't stand for a war of that length.

There have protest marches in my home town already.

I'm sure the British public won't stand for a war of that length.

There have protest marches in my home town already.

I wish I shared your trust in the British public, I really do. I harbour much disquiet when I survey the current political climate. I'm minded at the moment to view the British public as largely apathetic to what we are SUPPOSED to be doing at home and abroad. It's seemingly more important for most to devour lashings of z-list celebrities dancing, Albert Square, Whose arsehole is it anyway, etc.
I noticed too that during the recent hoo-ha of the BNP's Question Time appearance and their attempts to ally with Churchill that they omitted to use my current favourite quote from him. "The best argument against Democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter."

Having said all that I do see change as inevitable. I'm 63 so maybe not in my life time...but make no mistake...it IS coming! :)

Those are guys who run to Mosque and pray for victory Depoix, they've never heard of a nuke and probably never will. Those hillbillies have known nothing else but conflict in their lives, and death is not something they are scared of as you or I would be. This mentality is not understood so far by powers that be to our cost in lives. Death to them is simply Allah's will and they move on. Honour is paramount and a humiliated Afghan will avenge his humiliation by even giving his life. If you kill his family then you get what is happening now in that country Al-Quieda or no Alquieda.tab ,your very knowledgable when it comes to al-quieda, which foot do you have in which camp ?,because all i see on here is your defence of what we the british call the enemy ,will you be wearing a poppy at barkers pool rememberance parade on sunday? or will you be cursing the soldiers as they proudly march past ?

tab ,your very knowledgable when it comes to al-quieda, which foot do you have in which camp ?,because all i see on here is your defence of what we the british call the enemy ,will you be wearing a poppy at barkers pool rememberance parade on sunday? or will you be cursing the soldiers as they proudly march past ?I notice he hasn't answered this one yet.

many asians ,indians africans etc fought in the war ,i find it strange that over the decades i have been attending the rememberance day parades very few of their decendants are there or is it that they dont acknowledge the part their forebears played in the war

I find it quite strange that if a resident from Afghanistan, who may have lost his family or friends in the war there was to contemplate the thought of bombing the UK in revenge, he or she would be called a terrorist, a coward for wanting to hurt innocents and many other things. People would express outrage that someone could think so murderously.

Yet there are plenty of people on this thread contemplating bombing an entire country in indiscriminate revenge for what one person has done. Expressing satisfaction or apathy at the thought that millions of innocent people could be killed.

Two sides of the same coin?

It was never Britain's war in Afghanistan or in Iraq. Both wars based on a lie by whom? Two wars initiated for very different reasons. Ae you saying 9/11 was a lie?

If they wish to fight dirty why cant we ?
send in the bombers <BlackBirds and Harrier Fighter's see the size of there balls then

..and indiscriminately kill even more innocent people?

That's a great recipe for world peace isn't it and 'winning hearts & minds'?

You only need one of their disenfranchised with a self righteous justification to come over here with a bomb in a suitcase and we're all potential victims again.

many asians ,indians africans etc fought in the war ,i find it strange that over the decades i have been attending the rememberance day parades very few of their decendants are there or is it that they dont acknowledge the part their forebears played in the war

Mostly they tend to remember/celebrate what suits.

many asians ,indians africans etc fought in the war ,i find it strange that over the decades i have been attending the rememberance day parades very few of their decendants are there or is it that they dont acknowledge the part their forebears played in the war

Well given that Sheffield has a population of 500,000 it would seem that very few of any community (publicly) acknowledge the part their forebears played in the war.

Ps: but I do know that Remeberance Day is positively and actively celebrated in Jamaica

http://www.jdfmil.org/info/releases/2008/nov2.php

..and indiscriminately kill even more innocent people?

That's a great recipe for world peace isn't it and 'winning hearts & minds'?

You only need one of their disenfranchised with a self righteous justification to come over here with a bomb in a suitcase and we're all potential victims again.

Hi boyfriday, You mention, "Winning hearts and minds."
For me I think the much loved, "Battle for hearts and mind," quote from Political and Military leaders is actually what is happening every day here at home in all our everyday lives. Every time we read a newspaper, every time we turn on the television or the radio or log on to the Net. We are being sold ideas...Buy this!...Believe this!...This is good!...This is bad!
My grandfather used to say believe nothing of what you're told and half of what you see. We used to call him Vesuvius because he kept belching and dropping ash on the carpet.

Well given that Sheffield has a population of 500,000 it would seem that very few of any community (publicly) acknowledge the part their forebears played in the war.

Ps: but I do know that Remeberance Day is positively and actively celebrated in Jamaica

http://www.jdfmil.org/info/releases/2008/nov2.phpwell the polish turn out,a few years ago there were a dozen of them in their cavalry uniforms ,two years ago there were two ,last year none, it looks like they have sadly passed away but at least when they were here they turned out

well the polish turn out,a few years ago there were a dozen of them in their cavalry uniforms ,two years ago there were two ,last year none, it looks like they have sadly passed away but at least when they were here they turned out

That's fantastic, but there may be many reasons why non British servicemen dont attend, many will have returned home and the majority will never have lived here in the first place.

As for their descendants, I cant comment for all of them, but my g/father fought in WWII and to be honest I've never been to the ceremony at Barkers Pool, although I have been to one in an other city, but it was fortuitous that I happened across it.

If I think hard about it, I suppose it's somewhere where many people of non white ethnicity would not feel completely comfortable. I only found out about my g/fathers involvement when I was an about 35, the sacrifice of commonwealth soldiers was never covered or discussed in my history lessons and my family never really talked about it, so I guess it was easy to believe it was only something white, British soldiers did or have a right to celebrate.

I think some of the comments here illustrate that many people were unaware of the non British soliders who fought in the major campaigns and continue to do so.

Hi boyfriday, You mention, "Winning hearts and minds."
For me I think the much loved, "Battle for hearts and mind," quote from Political and Military leaders is actually what is happening every day here at home in all our everyday lives. Every time we read a newspaper, every time we turn on the television or the radio or log on to the Net. We are being sold ideas...Buy this!...Believe this!...This is good!...This is bad!
My grandfather used to say believe nothing of what you're told and half of what you see. We used to call him Vesuvius because he kept belching and dropping ash on the carpet.

I heartily agree SD, those constant rallying cries is what keeps the well intentioned soliders fighting and becoming canon fodder for an ill thought and poorly executed campaign. We're also victims of the bland platitudes and fake insincerity of those leaders when soldiers die or ask for more equipment.

Ps: you're grandfather never lived near Pompeii did he??

That's fantastic, but there may be many reasons why non British servicemen dont attend, many will have returned home and the majority will never have lived here in the first place.

As for their descendants, I cant comment for all of them, but my g/father fought in WWII and to be honest I've never been to the ceremony at Barkers Pool, although I have been to one in an other city, but it was fortuitous that I happened across it.

If I think hard about it, I suppose it's somewhere where many people of non white ethnicity would not feel completely comfortable. I only found out about my g/fathers involvement when I was an about 35, the sacrifice of commonwealth soldiers was never covered or discussed in my history lessons and my family never really talked about it, so I guess it was easy to believe it was only something white, British soldiers did or have a right to celebrate.

I think some of the comments here illustrate that many people were unaware of the non British soliders who fought in the major campaigns and continue to do so.perhaps then,a good turn out from non whites is what is needed ,it will show solidarity and break down some of the barriers ,as for non whites not feeling comfortable ,there is an asian man who walks around dressed in german uniform, he was advised that november the 11th wasnt tge best of days to be walking about round barkers pool in such a uniform by a police officer stood close to me,other than that i saw no one abuse him

perhaps then,a good turn out from non whites is what is needed ,it will show solidarity and break down some of the barriers Perhaps you're right, although I think it's a personal thing so those that are so motivated will go anyway.

You only need one of their disenfranchised with a self righteous justification to come over here with a bomb in a suitcase and we're all potential victims again.

There have already been hundreds of innocent Afghans killed, never mind disenfranchised, by misguided NATO bombs, rockets and shells over the past few years. And there will be no need for anyone to make a special trip with a bomb in a suitcase to exact retribution as there are already many thousands of Afghans settled here in the UK. Many of them will be nursing a gigantic grudge over what we have done to their country.

How Gordon Brown can justify the continuance of the slaughter on both sides as somehow protecting us from terrorism beggars belief and the acceptance and re installation of Hamid Karzai as president makes our efforts to impose some kind of democracy look patently ridiculous in the eyes of the Afghan people and the world at large.

tab ,your very knowledgable when it comes to al-quieda, which foot do you have in which camp ?,because all i see on here is your defence of what we the british call the enemy ,will you be wearing a poppy at barkers pool rememberance parade on sunday? or will you be cursing the soldiers as they proudly march past ?When it comes to Al-Quieda it makes my blood boil that an organisation attributed to Muslims by the Americans and an organisation that in reality doesn't even exist as an organisation is used to draw lines of demarcation.

It is you who regards ordinary Muslims as the enemy, and you want me to regard Muslim as the enemy too. All the time I have tried to, apparently unsuccessfully, to point out the so called terrorists are attacking our troops not because of religion but because we invaded their country. It has nothing to do with Islam.

My Grandfather was in the forces and fought for this country, and although I have huge respect for the forces and the personell I have never taken part in any religious ceremony that probably make me feel quite out of place. Formal services are not something Asians go in for. If someone dies in line of duty for their country then Islamic services are held and prayers said for them on an individual basis rather than a formal gathering of remembrance. So no I won't be there on Sunday, and if you feel that diminishes Asians role in the war so be it. It's not as though many acknowledge the fact anyway.

Two wars initiated for very different reasons. Ae you saying 9/11 was a lie?The reason for invading Afghanistan was a lie. The terrorists of 9/11 were not Afghanis and Al-Quieda did not exist till American invented it to get round their laws in order to prosecute Bin Laden. There was no network of terrorists and the training camps that were set up were set up by the Americans to fight the Russians. It's a lie to suggest some decrepit wierdo is controlling an army of terrrorists ready to attack Britain or America.
What there is now is a cycle of violence perpetuated by revenge. Those idiot Afghanis fighting the Americans are not Al-Quieda but brainwashed villagers told they are fighting for their country and honour.

Two wars initiated for very different reasons. Ae you saying 9/11 was a lie?

Its what American did before 9/11 thats important.

Including the shooting down of a civilian aircraft with 60 children on board.

There have already been hundreds of innocent Afghans killed, never mind disenfranchised, by misguided NATO bombs, rockets and shells over the past few years. And there will be no need for anyone to make a special trip with a bomb in a suitcase to exact retribution as there are already many thousands of Afghans settled here in the UK. Many of them will be nursing a gigantic grudge over what we have done to their country.

How Gordon Brown can justify the continuance of the slaughter on both sides as somehow protecting us from terrorism beggars belief and the acceptance and re installation of Hamid Karzai as president makes our efforts to impose some kind of democracy look patently ridiculous in the eyes of the Afghan people and the world at large.

Agree 100% with that Greybeard.

Agree 100% with that Greybeard.I second that, good post

The reason for invading Afghanistan was a lie. The terrorists of 9/11 were not Afghanis and Al-Quieda did not exist till American invented it to get round their laws in order to prosecute Bin Laden. There was no network of terrorists and the training camps that were set up were set up by the Americans to fight the Russians. It's a lie to suggest some decrepit wierdo is controlling an army of terrrorists ready to attack Britain or America.
What there is now is a cycle of violence perpetuated by revenge. Those idiot Afghanis fighting the Americans are not Al-Quieda but brainwashed villagers told they are fighting for their country and honour.If that's what you believe, then it's clear who has been brainwashed round here.

If that's what you believe, then it's clear who has been brainwashed round here.Yes of course the bombing campaign on making rubble in Tora Bora mountains got so many Alquieda terrorists didn't they, and can you tell me when the trial is for Bin Laden?
Go back to my post 22 and watch the BBC report that it's linked to. See how foolish the gullible warmongers have been.

If that's what you believe, then it's clear who has been brainwashed round here. Cant agree with you more.. Tabbys posts are always so emotive and biased.... Point in question is some lover of Islam has decided that he has to commit Jihad on the forces that are there to help them initiate some semblance of peace amongst people that are so retarded in time that they resemble teh luddites ..... ! The Taliban are clever gits that will always win by default.... ie: You cant give in to terrorist .... gives them the limelight and the edge !! and takes away the honour of the person murdered for Islam.. Again.... ? same old eh??

Cant agree with you more.. Tabbys posts are always so emotive and biased.... Point in question is some lover of Islam has decided that he has to commit Jihad on the forces that are there to help them initiate some semblance of peace amongst people that are so retarded in time that they resemble teh luddites ..... ! The Taliban are clever gits that will always win by default.... ie: You cant give in to terrorist .... gives them the limelight and the edge !! and takes away the honour of the person murdered for Islam.. Again.... ? same old eh??Yawn.............indeed same old, well done.

Yes of course the bombing campaign on making rubble in Tora Bora mountains got so many Alquieda terrorists didn't they, and can you tell me when the trial is for Bin Laden?
Go back to my post 22 and watch the BBC report that it's linked to. See how foolish the gullible warmongers have been.

Can you give a BBC link to the You Tube video.

Go back to my post 22 and watch the BBC report that it's linked to
Can you give a BBC link to the You Tube video.
:huh::huh:
Actually the linked video was broadcast on 11/03/04 on BBC 2 – Written and produced by Adam Curtis

the taliban are saying that the assasin is now back with them ,it wont be for long though as a special team are intent on bringing the man back, shouldnt take to long hopefully

the taliban are saying that the assasin is now back with them ,it wont be for long though as a special team are intent on bringing the man back, shouldnt take to long hopefullyHas he got a beard and wears a turban? Should be easy to find him then?

Has he got a beard and wears a turban? Should be easy to find him then?
he will be found dont worry about it ,the teams are experts ,similar teams hunted nazis after the war and found them where ever they tried to hide ,they have more to go on now ,they have the mans picture and details of where he is hiding

Yawn.............indeed same old, well done.
Streight from the horses mouth.... you can be a plank at times tabby .... This is not a podium for personal beliefs ..... this is a post about people murdered for trying to help the majority of a country drag itself out of the dark ages of islamic driven tyranny by teaching them humility, reason and peaceful co existence..but the dumb arses you keep defending keep murdering people in the name of allah.. Plank...... :huh:

gutted :cry:

Streight from the horses mouth.... you can be a plank at times tabby .... This is not a podium for personal beliefs ..... this is a post about people murdered for trying to help the majority of a country drag itself out of the dark ages of islamic driven tyranny by teaching them humility, reason and peaceful co existence..but the dumb arses you keep defending keep murdering people in the name of allah.. Plank...... :huh:You are getting emotional for no reason chap. I have not defended the murdering scum but have questioned our reason for being there and that reason is not the one you believe. We have been lied to and our lads are being put in harms way on an American lie. That isn't defending the terrorists, it's trying to make sense of a terrible situation. Step back from jingoism and you may see what I mean.

By shouting death to all Afghanistanis isn't a solution, it's just as bad as the terrorists.

I now think that we ought to pull out, but leave 500,000 Claymores behind to give them a dawn surprise.

The reason for invading Afghanistan was a lie. The terrorists of 9/11 were not Afghanis and Al-Quieda did not exist till American invented it to get round their laws in order to prosecute Bin Laden. There was no network of terrorists and the training camps that were set up were set up by the Americans to fight the Russians. It's a lie to suggest some decrepit wierdo is controlling an army of terrrorists ready to attack Britain or America.
What there is now is a cycle of violence perpetuated by revenge. Those idiot Afghanis fighting the Americans are not Al-Quieda but brainwashed villagers told they are fighting for their country and honour.

we have now found the person living in cloud cuckoo land, whats life like there

we have now found the person living in cloud cuckoo land, whats life like there

A bit like the planet Zanussi, but not as clean.

we have now found the person living in cloud cuckoo land, whats life like thereIt shows your level of understanding TBH, not worth wasting time on.
Satellite capability to be able to read a newspaper on the ground from up there and yet no Bin Laden to be found, all they managed to do was bomb mountains and caves, creating more rubble. The people they have killed had nothing to do with any attacks on America, but chances are the next attack will have something to do with them.