...Bothered!

It's not customer feedback, it's abuse of the venue. If SpiderPete or you two wanted to come back to the venue, which it seems you wouldn't anyway so what does it matter, I'd rather put some money behind the bar myself than have you in there.

As a member at Fuel, I'm horrified at your attitude, D_M.

It's no way to talk to any customer, regulars or "first-timers"

I hope that you aren't really a member of staff there, and that you are just being a troll, because that's no way to be an ambassador for your employer if you are. Your comments and attitude are certainly going to be damaging to the "attitude free" image of fuel, to say the least!

What is someone going to think, if they were considering going to Fuel, and then they read your comments on here, to a customer, saying "I hate you" and "Blank OFF"?

Most likely, they will give the place a wide berth.

Oh and SpiderPete? **** OFF. The people that are behind Fuel are behind it 100%. If the best Dempseys has is someone who just a matter of months ago was twittering on about how **** it was then I feel sorry for them (and no, I don't hate Dempseys. I do however, hate you).

It is possible to debate bar staff and other aspects of a club without resorting to personal abuse.

Please don't - it isn't useful, just engenders bad feelings and if it carries on personally abusive posts will be removed, and, if necessary, your account will be suspended for a while.

Thanks.

Now Now ladies... sort it out.. hug and make up lol

this isnt the kind of conversation the forum is created for..

try keeping it friendly...
I don't MEAN to come across rude (actually, I'm not sure that I felt that at the time). Maybe I'm fuelling (ho ho!) the fire a bit (or a lot) it's just immensly frustrating to see constant Fuel-bashing from people when in the past they really have bent-over backwards to do their best to accomodate all the complaints and change things.

I have to say that in many years of customer service and having dealt with some 'challenging' customers I have never resorted to a public slanging match no matter how much I dislike them, it is simply unproffesional. I and nor should anyone else have the need to apologise for our comments in what is a forum that has been used heavily by and has significantly benefited Fuel.

Rather than moan about one specific issue I would like to put forward how I personally see things at the moment.

When I first found out we had a new 'Superclub' coming to Sheffield it was very exciting. As so many have said, Dempseys was tired, Xes too far out and little other choice existed.

There was lots of advertising and things looked very promising. I attended within the first week and although the club had been tidied up it was still very tired but I am not one to complain, I like it a little rough, makes it more of an atmosphere!

There were lots of PA's, 7 days a week opening and drink prices were certainly tolerable.

Since then we have seen door prices rise, PA's have all but gone, drink prices went up a huge amount(I don't buy the brewery excuse), people including me were held back deliberatly in the queue, attempts to kill off Climax, the refurb has ruined the atmosphere(the two rooms) and now the club is only open 4 days a week with nowhere to even hang your coat.

Perhaps my view point may be incorrect but it is how I see what is going on!

The only thing that I can add further to this is that with the bigger clubs in town now hosting top gay events like Poptastic, Federation etc I may have no need to go to Fuel?

I hate to say "I told you so", but I did.

Anyone my age has seen this happen before, several times. A brilliant new club opens, everyone loves it, everywhere else is crap, then prices go up, corners are cut, people start moaning about this and that, everyone starts going back to the bars that 6 months ago were crap (but are now brilliant again), the new place dwindles away to nothing and shuts.

We're back to square one.

It usually take longer than this, Planet lasted a couple of years before this sort of thing started happening, I guess everything moves quicker these days.

Thats why I don't bother with the gay scene in Sheffield anymore.

Since then we have seen door prices rise, PA's have all but gone, drink prices went up a huge amount(I don't buy the brewery excuse),...and now the club is only open 4 days a week with nowhere to even hang your coat.
See, constructive criticism works! The beer prices have ALL dropped recently (certainly Carling is now £2.50 - 10p more than it was before the initial rise).

The PAs are picking up again - I was on Gina G's Myspace page a few days ago (seriously, why?) and Fuel is down on her list of dates to perform. That's surely not bad, and Javine is coming in 2 weeks?

Simply put, the club is open 4 days a week because people didn't go Monday - Wednesday. Ideally yes, it would be great to have it open 7 nights so if people fancied going out they could but it doesn't take a genius to work out that the cost of opening the place for maybe ten customers plus entertainment, staff, etc isn't viable.

If the demand was there though, it would be open. Even Plug, Niche, Kingdom, etc. are closed during the week and they arguably have scope for much more demand during the week.

Hi D_M,

That is much more like it, a professional reponse to a moany posting.

Now keep it up and you will get alot of customers coming back, for every person that mentions a problem there are probably hundreds that have noticed it and said nothing, me included normally!

I was there on Saturday night and was pretty riled that the cloak room was closed, needs sorting fast! Instead of having one lone tranny looking bored on a podium why not have them sat working the cloak room?!

Happysherpa it was nice talking to you breifly whilst taking a breather from the heat in Fuel, was the air conditioning turned off or something, its never normally that hot?

Looking forward to Federation and Poptastic@Gatecrasher hope these nights prove a huge sucess in Sheffield.:D

Most likely, they will give the place a wide berth.

id hope not.. can you seriously say sheffield would benefit from losing fuel?

thats the likely outcome if people give the venue a wide berth..

put urself in the managements shoes for one minute, how disheartening must it be for them to have ploughed money into a venue, just to receive constant criticism?

considering hull is only 60 miles up the road, if u were to pop up and sample the atmosphere at fuel there, ud think u were in another world.

lets just stop the negative commentary, and try and bring about some cohesion on the sheffield scene.. for a change. x:thumbsup:

put urself in the managements shoes for one minute, how disheartening must it be for them to have ploughed money into a venue, just to receive constant criticism?


Are you suggesting they did it out of the goodness of their hearts and everyone should be eternally gratefull ?

Are you suggesting they did it out of the goodness of their hearts and everyone should be eternally gratefull ?


not at all, but when people are asking where dannyfuel and carlton etc are... maybe they will now have an explanation.

I was there on Saturday night and was pretty riled that the cloak room was closed, needs sorting fast! Instead of having one lone tranny looking bored on a podium why not have them sat working the cloak room?!
People have asked where the drag queens went before; I believe one of the issues was that they said that they were paid to entertain, not stand on the door taking money. The cloakroom would be a similar issue and in fairness to them it takes an hour and a half to get ready and it's a waste to then sit them in a cloakroom.

The issue will get sorted (especially as the weather gets colder and most people come in with a need for the cloakroom); but as I'm sure people will appreciate, the staff that are working there at the moment need to be on the bar and as I have said before, as much a pain as it is, coats/bags, etc. aren't safe left in a cloakroom that is empty for 99% of the night and is open for pretty much anyone to walk into.

People have asked where the drag queens went before; I believe one of the issues was that they said that they were paid to entertain, not stand on the door taking money. The cloakroom would be a similar issue and in fairness to them it takes an hour and a half to get ready and it's a waste to then sit them in a cloakroom.

The issue will get sorted (especially as the weather gets colder and most people come in with a need for the cloakroom); but as I'm sure people will appreciate, the staff that are working there at the moment need to be on the bar and as I have said before, as much a pain as it is, coats/bags, etc. aren't safe left in a cloakroom that is empty for 99% of the night and is open for pretty much anyone to walk into.

I cloakroom is an essential service a nightclub needs to provide to its customers, regardless of the temperature outside, even though its late summer it can still be pretty cold when leaving a venue at 2am.

Surely the drag queen could have entertained from the cloakroom, they could have served shots from a tray at the same time or danced around giving customers ice pops to cool em down, lol! :hihi:

Ooooh get her!!! Seriously, though, you are missed :thumbsup:

Thanks for that. Although I'm saddened to see what people are saying on here.....

It is not up to a drag queen to man the cloakroom, they are employed to entertain. If it is such a bad job then I would think it should be a job that a manager/owner should do, showing that you are willing to do a 'boring' job would mean alot to customers like me and probably encourage other staff to want to do it!

I would say it is a basic service, esp when being in the UK the weather is less than trustworthy. Once we have global warming and are adorned in our grass skirts and the drag is in hot pants then maybe!

It is not up to a drag queen to man the cloakroom, they are employed to entertain. If it is such a bad job then I would think it should be a job that a manager/owner should do, showing that you are willing to do a 'boring' job would mean alot to customers like me and probably encourage other staff to want to do it!

I would say it is a basic service, esp when being in the UK the weather is less than trustworthy. Once we have global warming and are adorned in our grass skirts and the drag is in hot pants then maybe!

I don't see why staff could not alternate, do an hour each! Then go back to the bar work.

I was also in Fuel on Saturday and felt a bit liked i wanted to leave in the 1st 15 minutes. I do really like the place and can understand Duff_muffs reaction because when you are trying so hard and to be put down and people being negative is disheartening. It is just as bad when somebody slates your place of work, i know how it feels. It's just that my friend had to hold his coat all night and one bar was shut, i do understand now that this was due to the lack of staff. But how come suddenly there's only 5 staff? Has Fuel had a mad exodus cos i certainly know of a few staff that are now bitter about the place and i'm eager to know what's going on. Is the place financially viable? Could it be in trouble? These are the questions you have to ask but either way i'm happy to spend my money there.

I think the people who are complaining about the prices in Fuel are stupid. You tell me a club where you pay £2.50 to gain entry efore 11 then £2.50 for a double vodka and Coke, there's nowhere!! Are you that anitsocial that you don't know what such clubs like Gatecrasher, Plug and Kingdom charge? They range from £6 - £8 at the weekends and drinks price for a double are actually double those from fuel.

I think maybe Fuel is just going through some rough patches now that's all and it will be just as good as it was when (if) Gayham and the other entertainers come back.

Is the club in financial difficulty and are they just trying to manage with what they have until the inevitable happens? I see that they're now investing a lot of time and effort in making the Fuel Roadshows and taking them around the country. Seems a bit strange when they have 2 bases ie Hull and Sheffield. I also don't understand why the bar "maids" are on here with their attitude and outspoken gobbiness (must be a fuel thing) when all that's needed is for the owners to pop in here and have a chat. Nuff said!

***Edit***

I also don't understand why the bar "maids" are on here with their attitude and outspoken gobbiness (must be a fuel thing)

how would u know?

when all that's needed is for the owners to pop in here and have a chat.

just like dempsey's owners do??

Nuff said!

yes, i believe u have said more than enough dear x

I was there on Saturday night and was pretty riled that the cloak room was closed, needs sorting fast! Instead of having one lone tranny looking bored on a podium why not have them sat working the cloak room?!

Happysherpa it was nice talking to you breifly whilst taking a breather from the heat in Fuel, was the air conditioning turned off or something, its never normally that hot?

Looking forward to Federation and Poptastic@Gatecrasher hope these nights prove a huge sucess in Sheffield.:D

I dont think ill be heading back to fuel for a while now.. it was a very disappointing night out for me on saturday.. you work hard all week.. to look forward to a good night out at the weekend and meet up with your friends.. Fuel have let us down.. we want to go out, enjoy the atmosphere..and have a dance..all this was impossibl because of the heat... and the fact we had to carry our coats around all night.

Niiice to meet you to skyfitsboy, you seem like a cool guy..altho slightly hot and sticky in apperance on saturday lol We could have chatted for longer.. if your friend hadnt dragged you inside to dance to Britney lol

if your friend hadnt dragged you inside to dance to Britney lol


i bet YOU weren't far behind.:suspect:

how would u know?



just like dempsey's owners do??



yes, i believe u have said more than enough dear x

I don't think Dempseys owners have been on here sponging free advertising off this forum or did I miss it? I think Fuel have had more than their moneysworth out of in here. I woudl suggest rather than trying to be unpleasant to those with genuine complaints, such as me, you should try focusing on the issues in hand. Get some air con on, sort the cloakroom out, re-employ some staff and get down to some hard work. I certainly do not wish to have people tell me how lucky I am to spend my money in their place, I earn my money by hard work, not sitting about!

...And as I have said, the staff issues, the way the club is operating, etc is beyond our control. Anyone can see that the bar staff that are there at the moment are working their tits off to try and serve as quickly as possible and make up for the shortcomings with staff and I don't think it takes much to just show a little appreciation for those at the bottom who maybe are as ****** off as the customers but are still there every night effectively trying to do two people's jobs.

I don't think anyone, least of own me has any problem with staff. You are in no way to blame, you are not paid enough!

I don't think Dempseys owners have been on here sponging free advertising off this forum or did I miss it? I think Fuel have had more than their moneysworth out of in here. I woudl suggest rather than trying to be unpleasant to those with genuine complaints, such as me, you should try focusing on the issues in hand. Get some air con on, sort the cloakroom out, re-employ some staff and get down to some hard work. I certainly do not wish to have people tell me how lucky I am to spend my money in their place, I earn my money by hard work, not sitting about!


can u please draw my attention to when fuel have been unpleasant to anyone with a genuine complaint?

:suspect:

I don't think Dempseys owners have been on here sponging free advertising off this forum or did I miss it? I think Fuel have had more than their moneysworth out of in here. I woudl suggest rather than trying to be unpleasant to those with genuine complaints, such as me, you should try focusing on the issues in hand. Get some air con on, sort the cloakroom out, re-employ some staff and get down to some hard work. I certainly do not wish to have people tell me how lucky I am to spend my money in their place, I earn my money by hard work, not sitting about!


oops! and also, to when fuel have said how lucky u are to spend your money in their place?

i think i must have missed BOTH of these.:suspect:

are working their tits off

both real and fake.:hihi:

can u please draw my attention to when fuel have been unpleasant to anyone with a genuine complaint?

:suspect:

Reply:

Originally Posted by duff_muff
Oh and SpiderPete? **** OFF. The people that are behind Fuel are behind it 100%. If the best Dempseys has is someone who just a matter of months ago was twittering on about how **** it was then I feel sorry for them (and no, I don't hate Dempseys. I do however, hate you).

oops! and also, to when fuel have said how lucky u are to spend your money in their place?

i think i must have missed BOTH of these.:suspect:

Search the forum yourself, I have been told how lukcky we are to have Fuel more than once.

Niiice to meet you to skyfitsboy, you seem like a cool guy..altho slightly hot and sticky in apperance on saturday lol We could have chatted for longer.. if your friend hadnt dragged you inside to dance to Britney lol

Whoops, sorry about that! :)

As a member of fellow bar staff I'd like to defend Duff Muff a little re: his comments on here towards some forumers. Ok maybe abusive language is a step too far but I do sympathise that it's frustrating constantly reading negative comments about the club.

I was working Saturday night and yes it was busy and quite warm in the Trash Palace. And if you think it's annoying enough waiting for 10-15 minutes in the heat for a drink then try working 10pm-4am in it! (with no break seeing as it's so busy). It is very hard work on the bar when we have queues like that and it isn't a nice job having to deal with unhappy faces and sometimes abusive customer's trying to insinuate that we are incompetent! All we can do in that situation is work as fast as we can and try our best but we are still human and not superhuman machine-like workers.

I can understand people were unhappy and people are more than welcome to make comments about Fuel but maybe the constant and sometimes questionable criticism of some forumers hit the nerve of Duff_Muff!

There simply weren't enough staff on Saturday night as Fuel has gone through some management changes recently and you may have noticed a few bar staff aren't there anymore.

However we can promise you that our new management (who I think really has his head screwed on!) is working very hard to secure some fabulous new bar staff for the weekend so we can run the club how we like to: with lots of staff, somewhere to put your coats, and short waiting times at the bar!

Surely you understand that finding good bar staff is quite a difficult business so all we ask customers for is some patience. The current bar staff respect Fuel's fun loving, attitude-free ethos very highly and I personally love working for Fuel as I think it's the best Sheffield's gays have got! Who else gives you two, good-sized rooms with different music on every weekend to suit anyone's tastes! Fabulous drinks offers with averagely priced drinks and somewhere to come to just enjoy your weekend.

Yes we have experienced difficulties but we get a kick out off happy customers just as much as you get a kick out of a great time at the club. So we do take your comments on board and hopefully you'll see positive changes to any issues you have happening very soon. Personally I'd like to thank the customers who understand the pressure put on the bar staff on saturday and thank you anyone who bought me a nice cooling drink :D

See you soon. XxXxX

An excellent post roguetrader, nice to see some positivity! :)

Fuel used to be great and I'm sure it can pull things back up again as it has so much potential. As I've said before I hope this is just a minor seasonal 'blip', and although I've had my falling out with the place I would like to see things turnaround so I can happily start mincing in there again.

You never know, SpiderPete might even go back... :D

Oh and get back to work Gayham, you beast! :P We don't want Fuel turning into an underground car park club. ;)

...Bothered!

It's not customer feedback, it's abuse of the venue. If SpiderPete or you two wanted to come back to the venue, which it seems you wouldn't anyway so what does it matter, I'd rather put some money behind the bar myself than have you in there.

Well duff_muff, to my knowledge, you don't know me or my partner nobikejohn. In view of the way you chose to slag off a former valued customer (who's a mate of mine), i.e., SpiderPete, I felt I should take my custom elsewhere. As you have now decided that you'd rather put money behind the bar yourself, rather than have me "in there" as a customer, so be it.

I've not once abused the venue. Indeed, I have been very supportive and welcoming of Fuel coming to Sheffield (check back on my early posts). My partner nobikejohn lives near Hull, where we are also customers at Fuel in Hull.

However, as this is the attitude of Fuel staff, we have now reconsidered our custom at Fuel in Hull. Clearly, even if the Sheffield club is not experiencing financial problems, and even though you don't know us, you have decided that our custom is not appreciated or even wanted.

Your message is clearly understood duff_muff. Are there any other customers you wish to offend whilst you're about it? You may as well have a wholesale clearout of customers - so feel free, and get it off your chest. If you run out of customers, maybe you will think why it has happened. Then again, maybe not.

Meanwhile, nobikejohn and I are now booking a hotel room in Manchester, so we can stay over and enjoy ourselves in The Village. Sounds like a much better idea to us than being left feeling unwelcome by Fuel staff.

As a member of fellow bar staff I'd like to defend Duff Muff a little re: his comments on here towards some forumers. Ok maybe abusive language is a step too far but I do sympathise that it's frustrating constantly reading negative comments about the club.

I can understand people were unhappy and people are more than welcome to make comments about Fuel but maybe the constant and sometimes questionable criticism of some forumers hit the nerve of Duff_Muff!

For the record roguetrader, your post appeared whilst I was composing my post above.

And for the record, I have not once made any unwelcome comments or criticism about Fuel in Sheffield. On the contrary, I have been very supportive.

My complaint was about duff_man and his abusive language (which even earned him a Mod warning) - which was aimed at a mate of mine. duff_man, who doesn't even know me, replied by saying he'd rather put money behind the bar than have me in the place. What excellent public relations on the part of Fuel staff! :loopy:

As I've said, my partner and I will now no longer spend our hard earned money at either Fuel in Sheffield or Hull. I still have no complaints about either the Sheffield or Hull venues. But in no way am I going to help pay the wages of your public relations expert, duff_man - so we're simply taking our custom elsewhere from now on.

For the record roguetrader, your post appeared whilst I was composing my post above.

And for the record, I have not once made any unwelcome comments or criticism about Fuel in Sheffield. On the contrary, I have been very supportive.

My complaint was about duff_man and his abusive language (which even earned him a Mod warning) - which was aimed at a mate of mine. duff_man, who doesn't even know me, replied by saying he'd rather put money behind the bar than have me in the place. What excellent public relations on the part of Fuel staff! :loopy:

As I've said, my partner and I will now no longer spend our hard earned money at either Fuel in Sheffield or Hull. I still have no complaints about either the Sheffield or Hull venues. But in no way am I going to help pay the wages of your public relations expert, duff_man - so we're simply taking our custom elsewhere from now on.


redrobbo :confused: u must come back to fuel at both sheffield and hull, cos im working at both now, and u know how much u love to see me :thumbsup:

please dont worry about duff_muff's little outbursts.. we all know how much of an instigator spiderpete is... poor duff_muff just reacted the wrong way.. but dont let it put u off fuel.

xx:thumbsup:

Reply:

Originally Posted by duff_muff
Oh and SpiderPete? **** OFF. The people that are behind Fuel are behind it 100%. If the best Dempseys has is someone who just a matter of months ago was twittering on about how **** it was then I feel sorry for them (and no, I don't hate Dempseys. I do however, hate you).


spiderpete's genuine complaint was escalated to management, and they came on this forum and apologised. this clearly wasnt enough for spiderpete, and he continued to groan and moan about fuel.

by the time duff_muff posted the above, spiderpete's complaint was far from genuine, and had turned into nothing but back-biting, in an attempt to take custom from fuel, to dempseys.

Search the forum yourself, I have been told how lukcky we are to have Fuel more than once.


being lucky to have something is totally different than being told how lucky u are to spend ur money in somewhere.

i for one would appreciate if u stick to accuracies, rather than flawed waffle.

:suspect: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Oh and get back to work Gayham, you beast! :P We don't want Fuel turning into an underground car park club. ;)


ooh la la, she'll be back from france soon, as grotbags. :hihi:

so I can happily start mincing in there again.




ooh u can start by coming this friday dear :hihi:

***Edit***

It can't be that hard to find someone to run the cloakroom.

being lucky to have something is totally different than being told how lucky u are to spend ur money in somewhere.

i for one would appreciate if u stick to accuracies, rather than flawed waffle.

:suspect: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I think your reply is rude and shows little education. If you read every sentance that someone writes and then blow it out of context you are most likely to be a member of the media or a politician.

I can only imagine that it is an attempt to discredit what I have to say, you attempting to make yourself look clever or a diversion from my real point.

I think your reply is rude and shows little education. If you read every sentance that someone writes and then blow it out of context you are most likely to be a member of the media or a politician.

can u not see the contradiction in these 2 sentEnces, alone?

I can only imagine that it is an attempt to discredit what I have to say, you attempting to make yourself look clever or a diversion from my real point.

what u are saying is complete bollo*ks. there is no diversion intended, nor required. :thumbsup:

It can't be that hard to find someone to run the cloakroom.

u considering putting in an application?
:hihi:

can u not see the contradiction in these 2 sentEnces, alone?



what u are saying is complete bollo*ks. there is no diversion intended, nor required. :thumbsup:

I think you just go to prove what is ruining Fuel, people like you and your colleague, Duff_Muff. I have made nothing but valid points in my view. I am not asking for you to agree or disagree with my points, you are afterall nothing more than a record changer and do not own Fuel.

There are many things that you have posted that I think are pure rubbish but I keep my viewpoints to myself as I am not on here to offend other people. I would suggest you try the same, your unpleasantness will not stop me posting on here.

I don't think anyone, least of own me has any problem with staff. You are in no way to blame, you are not paid enough!

JUST DRAWING UR ATTENTION BACK TO THIS.

you are afterall nothing more than a record changer and do not own Fuel.

its cds darling, - yet again, ur spouting pure rubbish.
i have never said i do own fuel, u beligerent old boot.


but I keep my viewpoints to myself as I am not on here to offend other people.

and once again, i draw ur attention to ur contradictory waffle.

I think you just go to prove what is ruining Fuel, people like you and your colleague, Duff_Muff.

and on what evidence do u make ur assumptions?
no one is ruining fuel, fuel is doing fine. :thumbsup: come along one night, and sample the delights, if ur not some bitter queeny who has been barred :thumbsup:

I have to say that in many years of customer service and having dealt with some 'challenging' customers I have never resorted to a public slanging match no matter how much I dislike them, it is simply unproffesional.


ooh look. its another example of ur contradictory, flawed waffle.

I think you just go to prove what is ruining Fuel, people like you and your colleague, Duff_Muff. I have made nothing but valid points in my view. I am not asking for you to agree or disagree with my points, you are afterall nothing more than a record changer and do not own Fuel.

There are many things that you have posted that I think are pure rubbish but I keep my viewpoints to myself as I am not on here to offend other people. I would suggest you try the same, your unpleasantness will not stop me posting on here.

Am i Alone in wantin 2 kno if yur called Alex or Ben?:huh:

and on what evidence do u make ur assumptions?
no one is ruining fuel, fuel is doing fine. :thumbsup: come along one night, and sample the delights, if ur not some bitter queeny who has been barred :thumbsup:

Or sacked ? mayb?
:suspect: :P

can i just take this opportunity to apologise if ive offended anyone, and im sure that goes for the delightful duff_muff also.

:thumbsup:

It can't be that hard to find someone to run the cloakroom.
You'd be surprised; few people are happy to sit in a box all night - it's something we'll look into, and yes, staff rotation is a possibility, but as I seem to say in every post, right now at this very moment we've not got enough staff for the bars so the cloakroom is not a priority,

Maybe we should all black up and sing Old Swanee in the minstrel style.

JUST DRAWING UR ATTENTION BACK TO THIS.

I spend most of my time between Sheffield and Edinburgh(hence my name) if you wish to know more. I go out on the scene up there, mainly to CC's. I made my points about Sheffield as it is the first time in many years(I am 29) that I have ever had a problem with a club. It was not just one thing, it was a number of annoying problems such as the heat, cloakroom, door charge etc.

To put this forward.

CC's, based in Edinburgh is the main Gay Club. It is open 7 days a week and has 2 floors. It is never low on staff, always has someone on the cloakroom and has never charged an entry fee. The place is spotless and the doorstaff excellent and bar staff are very friendly bar one.

Fuel on the other hand seems to be all over the place in comparison. I simply stepped in when I was seeing other people mentioning it and wanted to voice my own feelings on the matter.

As for you Scott, I find you an unpleasant person to talk to and really not worth the time.

Hi guys i would like to introduce my name is Niall and i am the new manager of Fuel Sheffield as i can gather from recent entries on this thread that hopefully just a small minority of people are not happy with the way the club is going for which all i can reply is watch this space. I intend to make quite a few changes within next few weeks addressing some of points highlighted in previous threads. Any feedback be it positive or negative is incredibly important to us and your totally right it shouldn't be a slanging match!!!!! If any of you guys have any comments or suggestions then please feel free to drop me an email or ask for me at the bar when your in the club.

Look Forward to meeting all in the near future!!!!!!!!

:love: *****NIALL*****:love:

niall@fuel-sheffield.co.uk

As for you Scott, I find you an unpleasant person to talk to and really not worth the time.


again, thanks darling, well perhaps save ur time and not reply to this posting then. cos id hate to refer to u as contradictory, yet again.

:thumbsup:

Edindave is probably talking about CC Blooms. there are a few innaccuracies in his statements about it too, however. :loopy:

Whoops, sorry about that! :)

its ok duude..it was niiice to meet you too

u considering putting in an application?
:hihi:

God no, I'm alergic to nylon and lyrca.

God no, I'm alergic to nylon and lyrca.


my mate in manchester has 2 siamese cats, called nylon and lycra.

:love:

my mate in manchester has 2 siamese cats, called nylon and lycra.

:love:

* tries to look surprised *

* tries to look surprised *
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

shocked would have been fine

Edindave is probably talking about CC Blooms. there are a few innaccuracies in his statements about it too, however. :loopy:

Would you care to list them?

Would you care to list them?
I used to enjoy reading this thread now with the handbags at ten paces it's becoming a repetitive
and unsavoury thread......personally I think edindave is now trolling somewhat and wants a reaction and the others are walking into his trap sort it out guys!!!!!
Beasts!

I used to enjoy reading this thread now with the handbags at ten paces it's becoming a repetitive
and unsavoury thread......personally I think edindave is now trolling somewhat and wants a reaction and the others are walking into his trap sort it out guys!!!!!
Beasts!

I don't think I agree with all of what you say but I agree that is has gone on too long so I will say nothing more.

That's it now guys, it is getting really anoying with the slagging matches. Just agree to disagree.

Oh and SpiderPete? **** OFF. The people that are behind Fuel are behind it 100%. If the best Dempseys has is someone who just a matter of months ago was twittering on about how **** it was then I feel sorry for them (and no, I don't hate Dempseys. I do however, hate you).

Well I have been away for a few days, and come back to this mega bitch session, and this well "pathetic" post by duff_muff

Thanks for the guys who stuck up for me, I have read all the posts from here onwards and will reply more when I get home, (had pc problems and havent been on).

I dont know who you are, and personaly, I dont think i want to really meet you after this post, one thing I always do is NEVER forget whats been said or done to me.

I have swung from being "all fuel this and that" (read the early part of this thread, and got slagegd off for this) to had the "dirty" done to us one night, with really annoyed me, but thats happened and I have moved on. To now being sworn at by Fuel staff :o

You are right : why should I ever come back, if this is how the staff are going to react, I would like to hear form the owner on duff_muffs views if it is endorsed by Fuel manager that the staff go round telling customers to F OFF?

To say I am disgusted is a understatement.

duff_muff : If I hated Fuel that much then it would not be on the Sheffield Gay Scene website, and you will notice it still is.

Well I have been away for a few days, and come back to this mega bitch session, and this well "pathetic" post by duff_muff

Thanks for the guys who stuck up for me, I have read all the posts from here onwards and will reply more when I get home, (had pc problems and havent been on).

I dont know who you are, and personaly, I dont think i want to really meet you after this post, one thing I always do is NEVER forget whats been said or done to me.

I have swung from being "all fuel this and that" (read the early part of this thread, and got slagegd off for this) to had the "dirty" done to us one night, with really annoyed me, but thats happened and I have moved on. To now being sworn at by Fuel staff :o

You are right : why should I ever come back, if this is how the staff are going to react, I would like to hear form the owner on duff_muffs views if it is endorsed by Fuel manager that the staff go round telling customers to F OFF?

To say I am disgusted is a understatement.

duff_muff : If I hated Fuel that much then it would not be on the Sheffield Gay Scene website, and you will notice it still is.

darling, ull come back for me wont u?
xx:thumbsup:

Beasts!

:love: :love: :love:

In a way you do agree. We all agree Sheffield needs to change and grow as a whole scene. Not just one place, venue or person! Looking forward the PEOPLE of Sheffield not just the clubs need to learn to support the scene more. Sheffield is an odd city and has an interesting gay past from Lydias and Cavaliers, Barcelona, Planet aka Rockies, Fairy Likuid, Freedom, Dempsey's, Manhattans, Matilda Bar Miles Fuel. I only just turned 15 at the end of the planet days when I first went out now im 22 so really a small time in the grand scheme of things. But even I looked back and saw the diversity we had I have spent many an hour listening to fab older generation telling me stories about the past. People are trying a number of different things and if we dont all jump on board then there will be no growth and then all tastes and wants wont be met. I have worked on the scene before and we have a number of venues giving a different feel to them all. But we need to look back over this past few years in Sheffield and seen how far it has come and comparitivley how far we still need to go. How about we start going forward looking at getting a mixture of views from lots of people. Not just the students who arnt really from Sheffield and not just the People from Sheffield trying to get back to something that once was. So going forward what Do we want from our scene? Cause its not just one or two queens. Its everyones.

So going forward what Do we want from our scene? Cause its not just one or two queens. Its everyones.

I want a trendy bar with nice light and chilled out atmosphere and a nice outdoor area where you can relax in the summer and just a variety of people. I'd love to one day have in Sheffield a mixed bar that is gay friendly and non-judging.

Doubt it will happen though 'cos people don't move with the times as you sometimes see on these forums.

I want a trendy bar with nice light and chilled out atmosphere and a nice outdoor area where you can relax in the summer and just a variety of people. I'd love to one day have in Sheffield a mixed bar that is gay friendly and non-judging.

Doubt it will happen though 'cos people don't move with the times as you sometimes see on these forums.

Also, Choice is a big one! I know the gay community is opnly small here compared with Manchester and Le*ds but what's wrong with stealing some of their customers? Get some coaches organised every weekend and promote new things in other cities. That's my opinion anyway - if only i had enough money to run my own bar! :loopy:

u beligerent old boot..

Heheh oh Scott you do make me laugh with your put downs!

Yeah cool ideas there are a few things on there way over this next month so ive been told so have a little look round. I know fuel did a coach from Hull and I thought the punters who came were great. NOW For a chilled bar there is a few little places around that are mixed well gay friendly. I myself was in one last night listening to jazz music with mate. All cool venues and really close to fuel too well drunk mincing distance lol.

Hi Pete thanks for your message just to clarify we certainly do not endorse any kind of attacks of any nature on anybody. Fuel has a very defined ethos on which it prides its self.
fuel's mission is :

to deliver exceptional service, quality products &

entertainment at the same time as maintaining

a down-to-earth, attitude-free atmosphere

in a safe space.

We want to offer this to any person regardless

of their background or persuasion – “a friendly

place where people can feel that they belong.”



fuel's values are :

to be more than a business

to have the most amazing parties

to strive to continually better ourselves

to continually improve what we do

to continually do and experience new things

to secure our little piece of the world against

those who would intimidate, bully or threaten us

to assemble a cosmopolitan, eclectic mix of

people so that we can all learn from each other

to make some amazing friendships

to treat everybody in a decent and fair manner

This is a public forum for anyone to say how they feel on any subject these are purley the opinion of the indevidual not the company.

As manager it is my intension to make sure that every customer receives a fare welcome at fuel and that they have a fantastic time when with us.

Niall

If I hated Fuel that much then it would not be on the Sheffield Gay Scene website, and you will notice it still is.


being an integral part of the sheffield gay scene, ud look the loony if u did take it off ur website.

I want a trendy bar with nice light and chilled out atmosphere and a nice outdoor area where you can relax in the summer and just a variety of people. I'd love to one day have in Sheffield a mixed bar that is gay friendly and non-judging.

Doubt it will happen though 'cos people don't move with the times as you sometimes see on these forums.

Thats what I want too. Somewhere that doesn't think sticking-up a glitterball makes it attractive to gays.

Yeah cool ideas there are a few things on there way over this next month so ive been told so have a little look round. I know fuel did a coach from Hull and I thought the punters who came were great. NOW For a chilled bar there is a few little places around that are mixed well gay friendly. I myself was in one last night listening to jazz music with mate. All cool venues and really close to fuel too well drunk mincing distance lol.

I've heard the Leadmill is Gay friendly, i know i've seen some people from the scene in there!

There's a nice new bar opportunity near Fuel that's got a 6am license underneath the AEU Building, (hope that's right) just round the corner from the new Currys. Anyway it looks as if it has great potential and if the 6am license is true lots of people would come out of fuel and go there for an afterparty!

fuel's values are :

to be more than a business

to have the most amazing parties

to strive to continually better ourselves

to continually improve what we do

to continually do and experience new things

to secure our little piece of the world against

those who would intimidate, bully or threaten us

to assemble a cosmopolitan, eclectic mix of

people so that we can all learn from each other

to make some amazing friendships

to treat everybody in a decent and fair manner


Oh please, barf.

Well you should all try Runaway girl too. its just round the corner from the cossack and its great. not everyones cup of tea but deffo a place for a bit of movie romance!

I would love a gay club in Sheffield which doesn't feel trashy and geared up towards being camp, with cool club entertainers and NOT drag queens, so boring and annoying!!

Something like Mission (http://www.clubmission.com/) in leeds would be great!! :thumbsup: The owners of Fuel could defo do with some business advice from Terry George!

The owners of Fuel could defo do with some business advice from Terry George!


ooh, gawd no!

:gag:

It's amazing when you look at some of the straight pubs. Takapuna used to have a gay session on Thursdays. The place is well up market, clean, comfortable and the prices at the bar, with offers, made it an exceptional night out. I'd love to have a place like that in Sheffield. Excellent bar staff, clean toilets, trendy atmosphere, is that too much to ask or should we all join forces and put our monies together and open our own?

I would love a gay club in Sheffield which doesn't feel trashy and geared up towards being camp, with cool club entertainers and NOT drag queens, so boring and annoying!!

Something like Mission (http://www.clubmission.com/) in leeds would be great!! :thumbsup: The owners of Fuel could defo do with some business advice from Terry George!

Have to admit i really do feel at home at Queens Court and Mission, even Fibre. I just love the Court Yard Parties, the setting of the two bars around a smallish intimate courtyard is just a USP in it's own. If only Sheffield had something like this!

NB I hate bigging up Leeds!

Oh yes, and a DJ that doesn't know what a computer is too!

Hi
Not wanting to jump on anyones thread here but I think with so many replies its beyond that anyway! LOL.
For those that are interested, Hustle welcomes back the wonderful SpeedQueen residents this Saturday 9th September. On the the decks this time will be Lucy Locket and Euan Mitchell.

If you have not tried Hustle (or SpeedQueen) before, why...?

Seriously though if youre into house music (soulful, funky or electro) we have 2 fantasic rooms, a wicked atmosphere and have always had a tight door policy which allows the real party people to enjoy themselves all the more.

doors open 10pm til 4am
£5 before 12:30

Hustle
@Matrix
Charter Square
Sheffield

Oh yes, and a DJ that doesn't know what a computer is too!

sadly, in this modern age - i think ul be looking for one of these for a long long time. sweet cheeks.

This is a public forum for anyone to say how they feel on any subject these are purley the opinion of the indevidual not the company.


this statement can't certainly be true?

i surely hope none of my staff will ever slag off customers in a public forum, and not just as a one-off but in a continuing fashion.

the individual represents the company, particularly when it comes to front-line staff like bar staff.

your implicit endorsement of your staff's behaviour and view without offering any other clarification seems to imply that management accepts that staff can abuse customers as long as it is not on premises.

i'm afraid your statement above has contradicted a lot of the ethos you claim to strive to uphold in the prior part of your post.

***Edit***

this statement can't certainly be true?

i surely hope none of my staff will ever slag off customers in a public forum, and not just as a one-off but in a continuing fashion.

the individual represents the company, particularly when it comes to front-line staff like bar staff.

your implicit endorsement of your staff's behaviour and view without offering any other clarification seems to imply that management accepts that staff can abuse customers as long as it is not on premises.

i'm afraid your statement above has contradicted a lot of the ethos you claim to strive to uphold in the prior part of your post.

I certainly wouldn`t slag anyone personally ON ANY FORUM just because they have a "different view" to others, which at times, I do have different views, I may slag a venue off, which I do, I have slagged of Xes, Demspeys and Fuel on here, and I have given my good points about all the place as well.

When Fuel first opened there was no one else on this Forum who "stuck up" for Fuel on the barrage of posts thrown on here as much as I did.

but maybe they are not "quite getting it right", maybe they should be looking "why views change" and what "can be done" instead of having personal "digs" at the customers, very bad customer relations, I work with Customers and if I did what the Fuel staff do on here, I would be "sacked".

Obviously I would expect Fuel staff to stick up for Fuel, and slag Dempseys off (as they do on the thread) if they didn`t I would wonder why,

but personal insult attacks........ really are you THAT low.

Oh I do need a drink tonight :thumbsup:

i think... from reading many of your replies.. we need something different in Sheffield - something less camp and more trendy... being gay doesnt always = camp. Lions Lair is nice but not very inviting... premises are not very big plus.. the bogs are disgraceful.
Maybe we should plan a few SF meets at gay friendly bars.. and try make them regular.. maybe the ha ha bar??

Just an idea.. we will have to be selective who we invite lol we need to avoid campness hahaha

Maybe we should plan a few SF meets at gay friendly bars.. and try make them regular.. maybe the ha ha bar??

Just an idea.. we will have to be selective who we invite lol we need to avoid campness hahaha

Well, funny you should say that, but the Fuel / Demspeys meets I do, start in gay friendly pubs, but maybe we should stay in there all night.

I shall give this some thought for my next Forum meet. :suspect:

Avoid, campness dear .... lol....... well thats a few off here wont be coming :P :P

But I think the scene could do with moving on without people like him and to that end I will not apologise for speaking my mind on a place where I am entitled to do so.

sorry mate, you chose to work in the service industry.

much as you hate it, you just got to grin and bear it.

:)

(your correct procedure to follow should have been to alert your superiors to this issue, at which juncture they should undertake a course of action of either responding, or some other PR measure.)

Fuel, and in fact most businesses, also support protecting their staff - SpiderPete's continued (and somtimes blinkered) criticism of the venue, especially recently given all the hard work the existing staff are putting in, is to me a personal attack.

SpiderPete (and other customers) had a legitimate complaint about Fuel's door policy one night - which was accepted by the management.

As SpiderPete hasn't got a clue who you are duff_muff, his legitimate complaint was not a personal attack on you or anyone else. However, you have chosen to interpret it as a personal attack on you, even though your identity is not known to SpiderPete. :huh:


This is a public forum, I don't know who SpiderPete is, he doesn't know who I am, so it's hardly an attack on a customer. It would be if I stalked around Fuel abusing everyone I suspected to be him but I would not, and do not speak to customers like that.

Not only does SpiderPete not know who you are, you now acknowledge that you don't know SpiderPete! And yet you are perfectly prepared on this public forum to identify yourself as a member of staff at Fuel, and to swear at a Fuel member (yes, like me, SpiderPete is a member of Fuel) and inform him that you hate him. :huh:


I'm all for the gay scene moving on and coming together, and I know my attacks on SP don't work towards that. But I think the scene could do with moving on without people like him and to that end I will not apologise for speaking my mind on a place where I am entitled to do so.

What hollow words duff_muff.......the gay scene needs to come together and move on together, blah, blah, blah. You then acknowledge that your attacks on SpiderPete are contrary to the all embracing policy you espuse, and then - get this - you even refuse to apologise for your abusive rant against SpiderPete. :huh: Hollow words indeed.

When I defend my friend from your abuse (abuse, let me remind you, which earned you a warning from the Mods) you tell me that you'd rather put your own money behind the bar than mine. Although you don't know me either, I got your message loud and clear duff_muff - redrobbo isn't welcome at Fuel.

So, my partner and I will no longer patronise Fuel in both Sheffield or Hull - where my partner lives. That's now three customers you've managed to abuse or offend and lose in the process, and you don't even know who we are. Your adherence to your employer's statement of respecting diversity clearly doesn't extend to being off duty and on this public forum. But, that's even more hollow words.

Not once has SpiderPete or myself slagged off a single employee at Fuel, and, in my own case, I haven't even criticised Fuel or complained about anything (e.g., lack of a cloakroom attendant, not enough bar staff, being deliberately kept waiting outside, etc.). But as you've made it quite clear that I'm no longer welcome at Fuel either - is this because you hate me as much as you say you hate SpiderPete? Just curious to know that's all.

Former customer, and ex-member of Fuel

Red

I've said, I have a problem with SpiderPete and no-one else. If you no longer wish to come into Fuel then that is entirely upon your own head and I feel you're simply being a martyr; I know in my own mind that it would take much more than a message on a forum to stop me going somewhere that I like. Which suggests to me you don't really have much interest in Fuel regardless of what I say.

I have apologised for the way I lashed out, though thankfully some people can see why I did it. But I am entitled to form an opinion of SpiderPete through what he says here, as I have done, and I won't change that opinion or apologise for it.

I've said, I have a problem with SpiderPete and no-one else. If you no longer wish to come into Fuel then that is entirely upon your own head and I feel you're simply being a martyr; I know in my own mind that it would take much more than a message on a forum to stop me going somewhere that I like. Which suggests to me you don't really have much interest in Fuel regardless of what I say.

I have apologised for the way I lashed out, though thankfully some people can see why I did it. But I am entitled to form an opinion of SpiderPete through what he says here, as I have done, and I won't change that opinion or apologise for it.

A very confusing post, not sure you know the facts as to why I stopped going to Fuel, it has nothing to do with a "few posts" on this thread. :huh: :huh:

But I am not sure you have actually read this thread to see what the problem was, although Fuel management did apologise and say it wont happen again, which also affected 3 other Forum members. But I am not as forgiving as some people, thats just me though.

I am not a martyr, lol, (that was funny), you will find I actually voice my views, whether they are "good" or "bad".

Hi Pete thanks for your message just to clarify we certainly do not endorse any kind of attacks of any nature on anybody. Fuel has a very defined ethos on which it prides its self.


Thank you for replying, must admit thats not the view of this thread at this moment.

But I am sure it will all die down, it always does. :thumbsup:

Hi Pete thanks for your message just to clarify we certainly do not endorse any kind of attacks of any nature on anybody.

Did you somehow miss reading this unpleasant attack then.......


Oh and SpiderPete? **** OFF. The people that are behind Fuel are behind it 100%. If the best Dempseys has is someone who just a matter of months ago was twittering on about how **** it was then I feel sorry for them (and no, I don't hate Dempseys. I do however, hate you).

I was interested to read what you had to say about your club's mission statement.....


Fuel has a very defined ethos on which it prides its self.
fuel's mission is :

to deliver exceptional service, quality products &

entertainment at the same time as maintaining

a down-to-earth, attitude-free atmosphere

in a safe space.

We want to offer this to any person regardless

of their background or persuasion – “a friendly

place where people can feel that they belong.”


Let's run that past the readers again shall we.... "a friendly place where people can feel that they belong". Hmm, and yet a member of your staff contradicts you by posting this about me.....

...Bothered!

.....If SpiderPete or you two wanted to come back to the venue, which it seems you wouldn't anyway so what does it matter, I'd rather put some money behind the bar myself than have you in there.

As the Manager of Fuel, can you tell me what happened to the "Attitude-free atmosphere" all of a sudden? Your bar staff duff_muff is telling me quite clearly he doesn't want my custom. Who should I believe? You, the Manager, or your bar staff?



fuel's values are :

.....to treat everybody in a decent and fair manner

Really? Let's remind you what your bar staff had to say about a Fuel member.....

Oh and SpiderPete? **** OFF. and I do however, hate you

So, personal abuse of first one customer, and then I'm told I'm not wanted at Fuel either. Who should we believe.....the manager of Fuel or the bar staff?


This is a public forum for anyone to say how they feel on any subject these are purley the opinion of the indevidual not the company.

As manager it is my intension to make sure that every customer receives a fare welcome at fuel and that they have a fantastic time when with us.

Niall


Yes, it is a public forum, and people are entitled to their views - but maybe sometimes it pays to button your lips though, or to re-think your disasterous public relations on this thread and offer an apology to those who have been offended.

However, as you appear unwilling to completely disassociate yourself from the words of your staff member, and apparently support your bar staff's personal right to slag off your customers on a public forum, please be advised that those same customers have every right to take their hard earned cash and spend it elsewhere. That's exactly what nobikejohn and I will be doing from now on.

Your mission satement appears to be completely vacuous in the circumstances. Lastly, may I endorse every word that bigbear, (who is, I believe, a pub manager), says in this post.....

this statement can't certainly be true?

i surely hope none of my staff will ever slag off customers in a public forum, and not just as a one-off but in a continuing fashion.

the individual represents the company, particularly when it comes to front-line staff like bar staff.

your implicit endorsement of your staff's behaviour and view without offering any other clarification seems to imply that management accepts that staff can abuse customers as long as it is not on premises.

i'm afraid your statement above has contradicted a lot of the ethos you claim to strive to uphold in the prior part of your post.

I've said, I have a problem with SpiderPete and no-one else.

"no-one else"? You appear to have short-term memory loss......

...Bothered!
.....If SpiderPete or you two wanted to come back to the venue, which it seems you wouldn't anyway so what does it matter, I'd rather put some money behind the bar myself than have you in there.

So, that's SpiderPete and myself who are not wanted in Fuel by you.

If you no longer wish to come into Fuel then that is entirely upon your own head and I feel you're simply being a martyr; I know in my own mind that it would take much more than a message on a forum to stop me going somewhere that I like. Which suggests to me you don't really have much interest in Fuel regardless of what I say.

You question my motives, and infer that for you "going somewhere that I like" is of paramount importance. I have different standards. I've already stated that I won't allow myself to frequent a business that slags off a mate of mine. Now that Niall, the new Manager, has posted Fuel's mission statement, I cannot, on principle, be seen to frequent Fuel again whilstsoever your appalling abusive rant at SpiderPete remains unchallenged by Fuel's management, and management are prepared to accept your claim that I am not wanted.

Some readers will be aware that I am a city councillor and a member of the Licensing Board. In the circumstances, there is no way that I will be seen giving my patronage to Fuel. I will not compromise my principles just for the sake of "going somewhere that I like".

Oh and by the way, my partner and I were going to Fuel in Hull before the Sheffield venue even opened.


I have apologised for the way I lashed out, though thankfully some people can see why I did it. But I am entitled to form an opinion of SpiderPete through what he says here, as I have done, and I won't change that opinion or apologise for it.

How meaningless and empty your apology is. It amounts to 'I'm sorry for how I said something but I'm not sorry for saying it'. Yet more hollow words.

hmmmmmmmmm

Hmmm? Ruff Gruff sounds AWFULly like Duff muff! or is it jst me? if this is the case is it really professional and wise to suggest that other members of staff have been sacked? I think its very obvious that fuel would not dismiss 2 decent entertainers they had for what they've got now (not much of a replacement really is it?) im sure those THAT MATTER know the truth! they do say the best most clever rats jump the sinking ship! Anyway for those that do miss Jacinder and Alexandra, i received a flyer today for their new night 'SEXCHANGE' at the Exchange Bar on Glossop Road (across from Hallamshire Hospital, jst up from Climax). Been in there a few times actually n its proper nice, gorgous decor and FULLY REFURBISHED! Finally somewhere gay friendly with a bit of class! Seeya There Boys (and girls) x

posted bu duff_muff
This is a public forum, I don't know who SpiderPete is, he doesn't know who I am, so it's hardly an attack on a customer

also posted by duff_muff
Oh and SpiderPete? **** OFF. The people that are behind Fuel are behind it 100%. If the best Dempseys has is someone who just a matter of months ago was twittering on about how **** it was then I feel sorry for them (and no, I don't hate Dempseys. I do however, hate you).

So what exactly was the above ………. ????

posted by djscottk
by the time duff_muff posted the above, spiderpete's complaint was far from genuine, and had turned into nothing but back-biting, in an attempt to take custom from fuel, to dempseys

You do live in dreamland. People can make their own mind up, as I am sure they do, if you really think I am, on purpose, taking customers from Fuel, then you are very delusional.

posted by duff_muff
feel sorry for Dempseys having him on "their side" because fickle queens who will turn on you at any point are the kind of thing that are ruining this scene, and I'm sure no-one is in any doubt that he'll soon move on to something else.

I have always been to Dempseys even before Fuel opened, I have been going there for so long, I cannot even remember when I first went, to its nothing new I am still going there. Yes I am going there more now, but that’s maybe because it has something to do with “that particular night at Fuel”, you don’t even know how annoyed/angry/upset I was, I felt embarrased as this was a Forum meet as well. Will I move onto something else – I doubt it, mainly cause you really don’t know me apart from “having personal attacks at me on here”.

Not very good Customer relations is it.

Originally Posted by duff_muff
...Bothered!
.....If SpiderPete or you two wanted to come back to the venue, which it seems you wouldn't anyway so what does it matter, I'd rather put some money behind the bar myself than have you in there.

Well that’s a great incentive to come back isn`t it, you would rather “we didn’t”, and you would rather “not have us there”, amazing outburst from a club who say :

Originally Posted by Nutty Niall
Fuel has a very defined ethos on which it prides its self.
fuel's mission is :

to deliver exceptional service, quality products &
entertainment at the same time as maintaining
a down-to-earth, attitude-free atmosphere
in a safe space.
We want to offer this to any person regardless
of their background or persuasion – “a friendly
place where people can feel that they belong.”

Are you aware of this mission, or are u immune.

posted by Spiderpete on Page 1 of this megathread
Well Fuel in Hull has been going for a while, so lets hope this one lasts.
It looks promising doesnt it.
We need an alternative to dempseys/xes which have become sooooo "last year".

How times change.

But as you already said “you don’t want our money”.

I have even less respect for fuel now, not only were we embarrassed on a Forum night out, and made to feel "cheated on", and then I get personal attacks from Fuel employees, and people have "privately" asked me "why not give it another chance.

I think they can see why now.

The end.

Any more personal attacks on me, will be reported to the MODS, if you dont like my open opinions about Fuel, then dont read them, after all they did ask for our opinions, but that obviously was NOT the case, unless it was "good news".

I wont be posting on here again, I feel "let down". :(

On the night in question, where forummers (some of whom are members of Fuel) were kept waiting outside the premises for no good reason, and were then charged full price admission - nobikejohn and I had joined in the pre-drinks evening. We were pleased to meet djscott, the resident Fuel DJ, but due to nobikejohn being unwell, we didn't go onto Fuel that night - else we too would also have been two more customers complaining about being made to stand outside the club in the cold for no good reason.

Although DannyFuel has apologised for that unfortunate incident, duff_muff has since taken it upon himself to start slagging off SpiderPete, and to tell me I'm not wanted at Fuel.

Maybe duff_muff should reflect on the fact that when Fuel arrived in Sheffield just over a year ago now, a fellow councillor of mine was, on behalf of the city council, quoted in the local press welcoming the club to Sheffield. Indeed, that councillor expressed his pleasure at both the addition of Fuel to the night time economy, and the diversity that Fuel was bringing to the city's club scene.

One year later, how exactly is Fuel living up to its own mission statement on diversity? Well we have bar staff telling a member on this open forum to "**** OFF", and telling me that my money is not welcome behind the bar....and he admits he doesn't even know us! So, the council wishes Fuel every success in coming to Sheffield, and one year on Fuel staff tell customers - including a councillor, that they are not welcome.

Fuel appear to have a public relations disaster on their hands, and they don't even seem to know it. Maybe Nutty Niall and duff_muff should take a look at this thread…...
http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=140712&highlight=journalist

I am very glad that so many people on here are willing to take a stand against this sort of behaviour. I have already been picked to pieces by certain members of this forum and it has left a very sour taste. Is the ethos and mission statement aimed purely at customers and not aplicable to Staff members? It seems we are expected to listen to all the tripe about community cohesion at the cost of expressing our own viewpoint.

Hopefully someone else will open a new club!

I don't think I agree with all of what you say but I agree that is has gone on too long so I will say nothing more.

remember this?

I am very glad that so many people on here are willing to take a stand against this sort of behaviour. I have already been picked to pieces by certain members of this forum and it has left a very sour taste. Is the ethos and mission statement aimed purely at customers and not aplicable to Staff members? It seems we are expected to listen to all the tripe about community cohesion at the cost of expressing our own viewpoint.

Hopefully someone else will open a new club!

why oh why? do u choose to prove urself to be just a contradictory forum troll?:huh:

Hmmm? Ruff Gruff sounds AWFULly like Duff muff! or is it jst me? if this is the case is it really professional and wise to suggest that other members of staff have been sacked? I think its very obvious that fuel would not dismiss 2 decent entertainers they had for what they've got now (not much of a replacement really is it?) im sure those THAT MATTER know the truth! they do say the best most clever rats jump the sinking ship! Anyway for those that do miss Jacinder and Alexandra, i received a flyer today for their new night 'SEXCHANGE' at the Exchange Bar on Glossop Road (across from Hallamshire Hospital, jst up from Climax). Been in there a few times actually n its proper nice, gorgous decor and FULLY REFURBISHED! Finally somewhere gay friendly with a bit of class! Seeya There Boys (and girls) x


i dont think that neither alex or ben were sacked, i heard they left :cool:

this statement can't certainly be true?

i surely hope none of my staff will ever slag off customers in a public forum, and not just as a one-off but in a continuing fashion.

the individual represents the company, particularly when it comes to front-line staff like bar staff.

your implicit endorsement of your staff's behaviour and view without offering any other clarification seems to imply that management accepts that staff can abuse customers as long as it is not on premises.

i'm afraid your statement above has contradicted a lot of the ethos you claim to strive to uphold in the prior part of your post.


posts on here are NOT representative of fuel. they are individuals opinions similar to what you and all other forum users are posting. so i cannot see anything wrong with nutty_niall's statement whatsoever.

check out edindave's posts if ur looking for contradiction chuck :thumbsup:

You do live in dreamland. People can make their own mind up, as I am sure they do, if you really think I am, on purpose, taking customers from Fuel, then you are very delusional.




give us a kiss u miserable moper xxxxxxx :love: :love:

posts on here are NOT representative of fuel. they are individuals opinions similar to what you and all other forum users are posting. so i cannot see anything wrong with nutty_niall's statement whatsoever.

check out edindave's posts if ur looking for contradiction chuck :thumbsup:

I am not quite sure what you have against me, I post on here as I am entitled too and you are entitled to do the same. We do not agree on some points which is fine, I am happy to disagree. If you have an issue please oblige me by using the PM system on this site.

I will conitue to post, change my mind if I wish to do so and in fact, do as I wish within the forum rules.

I see there's still no apology from the manager on behalf of his errant member of staff, or explanation of how that person's runaway mouth and short temper fit in with the published (and oh-so-publicised) mantra of Fuel's happy huggy inclusivity - not having a very good start, are you Niall?

posts on here are NOT representative of fuel. they are individuals opinions similar to what you and all other forum users are posting. so i cannot see anything wrong with nutty_niall's statement whatsoever.


I too see nothing wrong in Nutty Niall's mission statement for Fuel. Unfortunately, it is contradicted by his staff member's attitude.

Check this out - this is the Fuel Gay Nightclub Megathread. Whether a member of the staff is posting on this Fuel Megathread in their private capacity or not, they are clearly representing the views of at least one member of the Fuel team.

As such, the Fuel mission statement is undermined by the actions of their staff - whether on duty or off duty. There are limitations on free speech. As a city councillor, I can't go around slagging off people and swearing at them on a public forum. I'd be reported to the Local Government Standards Board for bringing the council into disrepute if I did. If Fuel staff wish to go about repeatedly slagging off their club members, and being abusive towards them, then they run the risk of suffering the consequences of their actions.

Fuel has publicised it's mission statement. But a member of the Fuel staff feels he is exempt from adhering to these pious words when off duty, and the Fuel manager has publicly backed this stand......


This is a public forum for anyone to say how they feel on any subject these are purley the opinion of the indevidual not the company.

As manager it is my intension to make sure that every customer receives a fare welcome at fuel and that they have a fantastic time when with us.

Niall


In view of the Manager's stand on the rights of his staff to breech company policy when not on duty, can I suggest two amendments to the Fuel mission statement, as follows -



fuel's mission is ......

...... to offer this to any person regardless

of their background or persuasion – “a friendly

place where people can feel that they belong.”


ADD at end of sentence "with the exception of SpiderPete and redrobbo"



fuel's values are :

.....to treat everybody in a decent and fair manner

ADD at end of sentence: "but swearing at customers and slagging them off is permitted when not on duty".

There, that's nicely tidied up the Fuel mission statement to amply reflect the reality of their policy towards customers.

I see there's still no apology from the manager on behalf of his errant member of staff, or explanation of how that person's runaway mouth and short temper fit in with the published (and oh-so-publicised) mantra of Fuel's happy huggy inclusivity - not having a very good start, are you Niall?


please dont ask for nor expect a management apology for duff_muff's comments.

im more than happy to apologise on duff_muff's behalf, i think personally the f*** off was a bit strong, and having had a chat with duff_muff, he thinks the same.

u know how proud a queen can be.

can this please be the end of this witch hunt now?

:thumbsup:

Well Fuel, what an utter disgrace. :mad:

djscottk - I am not involved in any witch hunt. I am utterly dismayed at the attitude of Fuel staff member duff_muff and the contradictions of the venue's manager Nutty Niall in publishing Fuel's mission statement, and then supporting his staff member with a green light to slag off and swear at customers whilst off duty. No disclaimer on this front by Fuel's manager can overcome the public relations disaster that his staff created, and he is now addiing to.

Just over a year ago, I posted these two comments about the prospect of Fuel coming to Sheffield.....

Having been to Fuel in Hull, this new venture in Sheffield looks promising. :thumbsup:

There are these two guys who have set the gay scene alight in Hull over the past couple of years. They opened not only Fuel, but also Affinity.

Here are some titbits.......

"Fuel is the stylish home of Hull's gay scene and also provides the perfect setting for all, fun-loving, attitude-free party people. A wide variety of entertainment 7 nights a week. Varied menu throughout the week." (thisisull - coming up soon - website)

"The perfect haven for everyone that loves quality music and just wants to have a good time. Fuel has an amazing cocktail and shooter list, features the region's best funky house DJ's and has a glorious open-air terrace." (visiting hull nightlife website)

"The latest gay-friendly superclub, part of the Fuel empire. Affinity boasts 3 floors, 2 bars, a VIP room and 3 lounges, all with amazing decor. Table service, a relaxed atmosphere and plenty of eye candy, all as standard." (visiting hull nightlife website)


"Hull is one of the up-and-coming gay areas in the North. Contrary to popular belief, Hull actually has gay venues, including Fuel, Fountation and Affinity". (Hull Student Union freshers website)

Fuel is located in an old bank building, with chic, all-white decor. These two guys have really put Hull on the gay map. And hopefully what they can do for Hull.....they can do for Sheffield too! I'm wishing them luck with this new venture!:thumbsup:

As a strong supporter of Fuel opening in Sheffield, I am now saddened that Fuel staff appear to be putting the venue on the map in Sheffield entirely due to a negative attitude towards customers, including me. And the Fuel Manager just doesn't seem to understand that he is sitting on a public relations disaster in the making. In fact, Nutty Niall seems to have taken his eye off this thread completely, and appears to be no longer interested in following events. Still, he has made Fuel's management position quite clear - his staff are free to slag off and swear at customers whilst off duty.

I leave it to readers of this thread to determine who it is they may feel may be conducting a witch hunt? Would that be the aggrieved customers at the end of staff abuse (and let me remind you, such abuse that a Mod warning was issued), or would that be the staff who chose to slag off and swear at customers - and are supported by the Fuel manager in being allowed to do this, on the grounds they are off duty?

posts on here are NOT representative of fuel. they are individuals opinions similar to what you and all other forum users are posting. so i cannot see anything wrong with nutty_niall's statement whatsoever.

i think you miss the point.

an individual's public view reflects that of the company, whether sanctioned or not by management.

once again, i stand by my view (being in management of 3 venues) presented prior.

i personally have no interest in whether or not spiderpete/redrobbo/nobikejohn ends up going to fuel etc etc again, i'm just passing on what i would do to the present management of Fuel for damage control.

and there's a lot of damage control to be done indeed.

Boys as you forget ive only been here for a few days now and I know things have not been quite right, but hey thats what I am here for! If it means picking through every thing you have said just to find the proper points you want to make I will do . I have to admit as a new cumer to the gay comunity of Sheffield I am a little saddend by the way you guys go about sortin things out! Dont forget, we go out to have fun not find fault in every thing we find !!! If this is, then why do we bother going out at all

Niall the person

Is there a comunity in sheffield or is their just all this bithchin!!!!!

We bother going out , Niall, for a good time in a hassle-free environment. If we don't find this within YOUR business, we will take our money elsewhere. WE pay your wages mate. Free market economics is a wonderful thing. Have you sacked or at least given a warning to your member of staff yet? Are you going to apologise for him? I will keep asking until you give me a straight (ha) answer.

please dont ask for nor expect a management apology for duff_muff's comments.

So it seems.....

Boys as you forget ive only been here for a few days now and I know things have not been quite right, but hey thats what I am here for! If it means picking through every thing you have said just to find the proper points you want to make I will do . I have to admit as a new cumer to the gay comunity of Sheffield I am a little saddend by the way you guys go about sortin things out! Dont forget, we go out to have fun not find fault in every thing we find !!! If this is, then why do we bother going out at all

Niall the person

Niall, "the person", please be advised that whether you've been in the job a few days or longer, why have you decided to avoid sorting things out yourself? You are after all the manager of Fuel.

Your staff come on this thread, swear at and continually abuse customers, and then you have the audacity to say you are saddened over the way we sort things out?! :huh: Why aren't you addressing these issues? I repeat - you are after all the manager of Fuel.

I have never uttered a single word of criticism against Fuel, but I'm not standing idly by whilst your staff member slags off and swears at my mate. SpiderPete and myself have been told by your staff member that our custom is not welcome at Fuel. You appear to endorse this position. You've blandly posted Fuel's mission statement, which, given the abuse customers are getting from your staff on this thread, simply exposes how meaningless and empty those words are.

I find the attitude of your staff towards customers on this thread offensive and unacceptable. It flies in the face of your own mission statement. As a focal point of the gay community in Sheffield, Fuel should be striving to counteract this public relations disaster you have on your hands. Instead, Fuel's manager, Niall "the person" passes the buck and blames the customers! I find this attitude simply incredulous! Does Niall, "the person", have any management qualifications?

I have already received an enquiry from a journalist, and given this response from the management, Fuel now appear to leave me no option. I now intend to issue a press statement by tomorrow.

Rome wasnt built in a day and Niall has only just come in. Leave off. You talk about a safe environment and for me personally I do feel safe I think the door staff are cool but also fair as well. We are just going round in circles. if you are going to let one individual spoil it for you then everyone should really get a grip. Everyone needs to jump on the band wagon to make things work.

We bother going out , Niall, for a good time in a hassle-free environment. If we don't find this within YOUR business, we will take our money elsewhere. WE pay your wages mate. Free market economics is a wonderful thing. Have you sacked or at least given a warning to your member of staff yet? Are you going to apologise for him? I will keep asking until you give me a straight (ha) answer.

Yeah really proactive. Going to solve everyones problems that will! :confused:

Everyone has the right to their own opinion regardless about how random and backward some might see it. You all sit and say that fuels bad and that you all want better things. There are things going off all the time that nobody seems to jump on board about. Look in the gay press and get going out. It wont happen unless you all get off out and go places. This includes fuel too. you cant just moan at them. Tell them what you guys want!! Everyone knows that after the first year there is a bit of backlash but instead of addressing these issues all you guys do is complain. About one barman. Not the management, not the club, not the cost but a bar man while Niall is new in and actually listening to you guys why dont you actually focus on important things?

Or am I just as crazy ? :loopy:

Rome wasnt built in a day and Niall has only just come in. Leave off. You talk about a safe environment and for me personally I do feel safe I think the door staff are cool but also fair as well. We are just going round in circles. if you are going to let one individual spoil it for you then everyone should really get a grip. Everyone needs to jump on the band wagon to make things work.



Yeah really proactive. Going to solve everyones problems that will! :confused:

Everyone has the right to their own opinion regardless about how random and backward some might see it. You all sit and say that fuels bad and that you all want better things. There are things going off all the time that nobody seems to jump on board about. Look in the gay press and get going out. It wont happen unless you all get off out and go places. This includes fuel too. you cant just moan at them. Tell them what you guys want!! Everyone knows that after the first year there is a bit of backlash but instead of addressing these issues all you guys do is complain. About one barman. Not the management, not the club, not the cost but a bar man while Niall is new in and actually listening to you guys why dont you actually focus on important things?

Or am I just as crazy ? :loopy:

No Darkstar, you are not crazy, but mistaken. I have never once criticised Fuel. I have never ever said it is bad. I have only ever been positive about Fuel.

Fuel is probably the flagship gay venue in the city. It has a mission statement, celebrating diversity and promoting inclusivity, which it clearly isn't living up to when the manager supports a staff member slagging off and swearing at customers on this thread, (on the grounds that the staff member is off duty).

If the manager Niall is listening, then he doesn't seem to be hearing the message that he has a public relations disaster on his hands. Or maybe Fuel simply don't care about their customers being abused on this thread by staff?

I have already received an enquiry from a journalist, and given this response from the management, Fuel now appear to leave me no option. I now intend to issue a press statement by tomorrow.

Why do you need to go as far as a press statement. It was a stupid comment made in the heat of the moment. How do you even know Duff_muff works at Fuel, i could easily get another username and tell you to ***** off. Just forget about it and move on. If you don't go want to go to fuel anymore then don't! Who cares! Just don't go around spoiling it for us people who actually enjoy going there.

No Darkstar, you are not crazy, but mistaken. I have never once criticised Fuel. I have never ever said it is bad. I have only ever been positive about Fuel.

Fuel is probably the flagship gay venue in the city. It has a mission statement, celebrating diversity and promoting inclusivity, which it clearly isn't living up to when the manager supports a staff member slagging off and swearing at customers on this thread, (on the grounds that the staff member is off duty).

If the manager Niall is listening, then he doesn't seem to be hearing the message that he has a public relations disaster on his hands. Or maybe Fuel simply don't care about their customers being abused on this thread by staff?

Please allow Niall some time to deal with this situation John. He is new to Sheffield, and cannot be expected to take such swift and drastic action. I have already tried to make it clear duff_muff is sorry for his foul language, and admits it was an act of folly on his part..

Niall has NOT supported duff_muff's reactions/forum postings at all - he has merely stated that this forum operates on OPINIONS of the individual/ not FUEL as a company.

I think this is becoming a witch hunt now, and really urge it to be laid to rest before it damages Sheffield's already limited gay scene.

I think this is becoming a witch hunt now, and really urge it to be laid to rest before it damages Sheffield's already limited gay scene.

I agree with this statement, for what it's worth.

Sheffield has always had a crummy scene, and I can't see all the fighting encouraging other clubs and pubs to open here.

At least there is another choice as it stands at the moment, if Fuel were to decide to close, that option will be taken away.

And I'm not sure that any other pub or club would have responded AT ALL to complaints about door staff.

I'm not saying I agree with any f*** off comments, specially to my mates, but there's a wider picture, IMO.

Is there a comunity in sheffield or is their just all this bithchin!!!!!

Bitching in public forums like these aren't just exclusive to Sheffield. I don't know if the city of Hull has anything like the Sheffield Forum but if it does I'm pretty sure it contains bitching too.

Its way to easy to bitch and hurl abuse on these web forums, when you can hide behind a profile name and remain anonymous.

Also think its unfair to compare Fuel in Hull to Sheffield's club. Sheffields location is so close to cities with quality gay scenes like Manchester and leeds, that standards and expectations are most probably much higher in Sheffield than in Hull.

Were also fortunate to have fab nights like Climax and Razor Stiletto alongside loads of gay friendly modern, clean and trendy bars like the Forum, The Lounge, Takapuna.

Hello BoroughGal! I not seen you out for ages!:D

So it seems.....

I have already received an enquiry from a journalist, and given this response from the management, Fuel now appear to leave me no option. I now intend to issue a press statement by tomorrow.

Oh for crying out loud why do people like to fuel and fire and then moan when it's out of control. You're offended by duff_muff's comments - everyone reading this forum gets that so now why can't you let it go? They are his own personal comments, he's said it, Niall's said it and he's entitled to make them. Nowhere does he say he's replying on behalf of Fuel does he? You see plenty of comments such as from planner1 saying when they are/are not posting in an official capacity so why can't duff_muff?

Ok I grant you Fuel isn't the greatest place in the world, but it's far from the worst either. For a club it is reasonably priced, most of the staff there are pleasant - you'd never be able to have a chat with doorstaff anywhere else! So even though you don't like it do you really have to try & ruin it for the rest of us? :loopy:

Hello BoroughGal! I not seen you out for ages!:D

Hello you! Not seen you either, mind, I've been a bit rubbish at going out though! :)

There are some right drama queens on here :)

Girls, girls - lets all calm down a bit shall we?

Less bitchin', more mincin'! :rolleyes:

While its true that duff_muff has done Fuel no favours (and has insulted someone who is well liked on this forum and a personal friend of mine), we have to consider the fact that most of us have enjoyed going there in the past and it is a valuable addition to the 'scene' whether some of its customers report that its gone downhill recently or not. The misplaced rantings of one individual does not alter this fact.

Niall is new and we should give him a bit of a chance to get things together, start to sort out the problems, apologise for any offense caused and bring Fuel back up to the standards we expect. Unfortunately he hasn't done much on here in his favour as yet, but time will tell.

I am saddened that we have resorted to this level of argument and with threats of press coverage being made things are starting to look a bit more serious than a bit of whining and bitching on this thread. I would hope that things will calm down and some of the Fuel customers that have been seriously ****** off, both on here and at the club, will be listened to and eventually given reason to go back. It would be sad to lose the first decent venue we have seen in a long time, but if this continues who knows what the impact might be.

In the meantime, I'll sit back and enjoy the drama! Now pass me a gin. :)

Meaks x

Bit early for gin is it not? :D

Bit early for gin is it not? :D

Never too early dear, never too early.

Although I am at work so would be FIRED.

I got your message loud and clear duff_muff - redrobbo isn't welcome at Fuel.

Red

Is there anybody on here that gets professional emails with disclaimers at the bottom of them that go something like this:
The views expressed in this communication may not necessarily be the views held by etc etc

With this in mind why are people believing that a statement on here is actually from anyone from fuel???? It could be some random who has signed up just to cause trouble??????

Why in sheffield can people not just get on and have a good night out?
Why do you all have to sit here attacking each other bitching/slagging/ABUSING??

Go out and have a good time instead of wasting yourselves with this petty bitching!!!

Yes the forum may be to give feedback, constructively criticise and get your point across, but there seems to be a lot of people on here that dedicate there life to slagging fuel off???

If you don't like it don't go!!!! or show me you can do better!??
because to be honest the people that are there to have a good time and enjoy it probably don't want you there anyway.

Is there anybody on here that gets professional emails with disclaimers at the bottom of them that go something like this:
The views expressed in this communication may not necessarily be the views held by etc etc

With this in mind why are people believing that a statement on here is actually from anyone from fuel???? It could be some random who has signed up just to cause trouble??????

Why in sheffield can people not just get on and have a good night out?
Why do you all have to sit here attacking each other bitching/slagging/ABUSING??

Go out and have a good time instead of wasting yourselves with this petty bitching!!!

Yes the forum may be to give feedback, constructively criticise and get your point across, but there seems to be a lot of people on here that dedicate there life to slagging fuel off???

If you don't like it don't come!!!! or show me you can do better!??
because to be honest the people that are there to have a good time and enjoy it probably don't want you there anyway.


Way to go gaining favour. Nice one. You're obviously above bitching, aren't you?

Never too early dear, never too early.


Gin is an all day drink, like red wine.

Is there anybody on here that gets professional emails with disclaimers at the bottom of them that go something like this:
The views expressed in this communication may not necessarily be the views held by etc etc

With this in mind why are people believing that a statement on here is actually from anyone from fuel???? It could be some random who has signed up just to cause trouble??????

Why in sheffield can people not just get on and have a good night out?
Why do you all have to sit here attacking each other bitching/slagging/ABUSING??

Go out and have a good time instead of wasting yourselves with this petty bitching!!!

Yes the forum may be to give feedback, constructively criticise and get your point across, but there seems to be a lot of people on here that dedicate there life to slagging fuel off???

If you don't like it don't come!!!! or show me you can do better!??
because to be honest the people that are there to have a good time and enjoy it probably don't want you there anyway.

And, it starts again. Just leave it, please! :mad:

Way to go gaining favour. Nice one. You're obviously above bitching, aren't you?

Did I mention I was?

I put it purely and simply as it is.

Constructive Criticism is good it's positive and promotes change in a good way.

Bitching and Slagging people off doesn't.....?

I want everyone to go out and have a good night out thats all....
with carefree, attitude free people.

I don't want to go out with moany or bitchy people.

Plain and Simple
if you don't like dempseys don't go to dempseys?
if you don't like climax don't go to climax?
if you don't like fuel don't go to fuel?
if you don't like xes don't go to xes?

And, it starts again. Just leave it, please! :mad:

This is the whole thing can we just have a good night out?

Bitching and Slagging people off doesn't.....?

I believe it was duff_muff who started with the abuse.

To take the thread more postive Javine is performing on the Sunday 17th September a day before she releases her new hit with the Soul Avengers a really smart set of DJs listed with Positiva........ Apparently it's gonna be a big hit!!

Who is Javine ?

To take the thread more postive Javine is performing on the Sunday 17th September a day before she releases her new hit with the Soul Avengers a really smart set of DJs listed with Positiva........ Apparently it's gonna be a big hit!!

Glad to see they are getting some turns back on, even if it is Javine! ;)

Who is Javine ?

She was our entry in Eurovision (2005).
She came 22nd... :hihi:

http://www.myspace.com/javine

it's got her new track on there as well don't let the morning come!

xx

She was also the one who could have been in girls aloud...... didn't she get two the final few girls for the group??

She was our entry in Eurovision (2005).
She came 22nd... :hihi:



how does it go "United Kingdom un point" lol
bloody eurovision!!!!!

She was also the one who could have been