18-year-old A-Level student was attacked by a gang of up to four white men in Huyton, Merseyside, on Friday.

Mr Walker had spent the evening with his white girlfriend before the attack.

Merseyside Police said that as the couple waited for a bus outside the Huyton Park pub with Mr Walker's 17-year-old cousin they were subjected to a "torrent of racial abuse" by a man in his 20s wearing a hooded top.

They did not retaliate to the abuse and left to find another bus stop. But they were followed and, as they walked through a park, they were attacked by a gang of up to four men.

Mr Walker's girlfriend and cousin ran to get help. When they returned Anthony was slumped on the ground with massive head injuries.

An axe was found embedded in his skull.

rest of story here (http://http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/4733895.stm)

20 year old arrested and on bail, 17 year old arrested and charged with murder (I think).

Now who's up for bringing back hanging ?? would love to see the scum chav who did this being hanged. :gag:

This is a truely disturbing crime, I saw the sister and family of the boy on the news yesterday making an appeal for witnesses I must say she was very brave.
there was a rather nasty stabbing on a bus yesterday in london too.. Whats wrong with people today?

Originally posted by honeyplanet
This is a truely disturbing crime, I saw the sister and family of the boy on the news yesterday making an appeal for witnesses I must say she was very brave.
there was a rather nasty stabbing on a bus yesterday in london too.. Whats wrong with people today?

The lethal stabbing on the London bus yesterday was by a black youth on a white youth. It did not receive anything like the attention of the awful story mentioned above. The latter is currently headline news and has been compared to the Stephen Lawrence case 12 years ago. If there have 'only' been two such cases in 12 years, then far from providing evidence of rampant and violent white-on-black racism, it would perhaps tend to support the opposite conclusion. It is the media though which shapes our perceptions of social 'realities'.

I think it may also be the brutal style of this killing that has attracted more attention, m'lud. With respect to the dead man, people get stabbed in london all the time.

This guy was axed . Now thats newsworthy .

Originally posted by kathythebean
I think it may also be the brutal style of this killing that has attracted more attention, m'lud. With respect to the dead man, people get stabbed in london all the time.

This guy was axed . Now thats newsworthy .

Plus the fact that people had been heard shouting racist abuse at the lad in Liverpool, whereas nothing like that has been reported for the London murder. The one in London might have been racially motivated too, there just isn't any evidence of this (that's been reported). Though it sounds like the one in London was more of a drink/drugs/'respect'-fuelled incident like the ones covered at length in last night's Panorama programme.

Although the crime is nasty and cowardly once again the leftist media go into a frenzy regarding white on black attacks. No mention of the racist stabbing in London by a black man on a white youth. No mention of the racist murder of a white youth who was kidnapped by asylum seekers in Glasgow last year.

This story will run and run now on the liberalist BBC news 24 channel. Whining do gooders will have a field day whilst white people continue to get attacked. The race war is coming.

Originally posted by nez75
Although the crime is nasty and cowardly once again the leftist media go into a frenzy regarding white on black attacks. No mention of the racist stabbing in London by a black man on a white youth. No mention of the racist murder of a white youth who was kidnapped by asylum seekers in Glasgow last year.

This story will run and run now on the liberalist BBC news 24 channel. Whining do gooders will have a field day whilst white people continue to get attacked. The race war is coming.

the one in london appears to have a been a black man who was abusing everyone on the bus and throwing food about. There's nothing to suggest that he was targetting white people on the bus, nor did he choose his victim, unfortunately his victim presented himself when he was the only one who stood up to him.

Originally posted by nez75
The race war is coming.

:hihi:

Really.

Originally posted by kathythebean
:hihi:

Really.
I agree Kathy, and to think that before I read that little nugget of xenophobic paranoia I was having a morning devoid of a reason to chuckle quietly to myself.:hihi:

For more discussions on this topic, see the other post: We Have Too Many Police

Originally posted by LordChaverly
The lethal stabbing on the London bus yesterday was by a black youth on a white youth. It did not receive anything like the attention of the awful story mentioned above. The latter is currently headline news and has been compared to the Stephen Lawrence case 12 years ago. If there have 'only' been two such cases in 12 years, then far from providing evidence of rampant and violent white-on-black racism, it would perhaps tend to support the opposite conclusion. It is the media though which shapes our perceptions of social 'realities'.


It doesn't matter who murders who, the evil scum who takes a life should be exterminated forthwith, no ifs, no buts, just get rid of them whoever they are and when statistics say it doesn't make any difference, I don't beleive it, capital punishment IS a deterent and should be re - introduced immediately, whilst ever the law is pussyfooting around, these butchers are putting two fingers up and laughing at us all.:rant: :loopy: :help: :mad: :confused: :shocked:

i was so shocked to hear about the killing.
it makes me sick that there are people like that around. its terrible.

Depriving someone of their life simply because of their colour.....

Now that's racism

Originally posted by nez75
No mention of the racist murder of a white youth who was kidnapped by asylum seekers in Glasgow last year.

Probably 'cos it was last year.

A news channel with the following headlines:

KING SHOT IN EYE
FAWKES GETS COMEUPPANCE
VIKING INVASION RUMOURS ON THE INCREASE

isn't really a very effective news channel, is it?

Still, well done on shoehorning your "race war" nonsense into a thread about a kid who got axed in the head.

I think the point being made was about the racial aspect of the saturation coverage of this dreadful crime. For example, the very brutal murders of Gavin Hopley and of Kriss Donald (both by Asian gangs) did not receive anything like the saturation coverage given to the present case. We have all heard of Stephen Lawrence. How many people know of the much more recent cases of Gavin Hopley or Kriss Donald?

Originally posted by LordChaverly
I think the point being made was about the racial aspect of the saturation coverage of this dreadful crime. For example, the very brutal murders of Gavin Hopley and of Kriss Donald (both by Asian gangs) did not receive anything like the saturation coverage given to the present case. We have all heard of Stephen Lawrence. How many people know of the much more recent cases of Gavin Hopley or Kriss Donald?

http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=137

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4022261.stm

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5032719.html

Originally posted by LordChaverly
I think the point being made was about the racial aspect of the saturation coverage of this dreadful crime.

That's what happens with the media - cf. Holly and Jessica. Anyone wanna know about Milly Dowler? Thought not.

The media juggernaut starts rolling, for whatever reason, and sometimes very worthy stories don't receive much attention.

Firstly, I think this is an appalling crime to happen to anyone.

The situation with the S. Lawrence racist crime was blown out of proportion and dragged through the tabloids for many years the same as this one will be.

There have been many Black/Asian on white murders that only get a paragraph in the newspapers.

Could it be that a White English Youth is of less worth than that of a coloured one?

Originally posted by Delboy3
Could it be that a White English Youth is of less worth than that of a coloured one?

Given your support for apartheid in South Africa the "coloureds" are lucky they even get to live on the same streets as us – right Derek?

It makes me sick that people want to twist this story to make a political point.

Originally posted by Greenback
Given your support for apartheid in South Africa the "coloureds" are lucky they even get to live on the same streets as us – right Derek?

It makes me sick that people want to twist this story to make a political point.
Get your facts right....I never supported Apartheid in S. Africa.

I did live there and I did have a lot of coloured friends.

I am not making any political points either as I am not in politics and couldn't care less what happens to this country anymore.

I did give an opinion and asked a Question as you will see with the question mark at the end.

I am also sick and tired of hearing about the murders of black youths being pushed down our throats for years on end whilst racist murders committed against others goes unheard of.

Is that twisting a story? I have stated already that I find this kind of crime unacceptable and the offenders should be shot or hung.

Originally posted by Greenback
That's what happens with the media - cf. Holly and Jessica. Anyone wanna know about Milly Dowler? Thought not.

The media juggernaut starts rolling, for whatever reason, and sometimes very worthy stories don't receive much attention.

'For whatever reason' - now there's a phrase to conjure with. Media juggernauts do indeed roll, and media feeding frenzies do indeed occur, but not in totally random fashions. I suspect there are two factors which might explain the disparity in coverage we are discussing. Firstly, there is what might be termed the 'Watergate' factor - i.e. ever since Watergate journalists have been looking for a similar story with which to make journalistic reputations and expend acres of newsprint. Just as journalists have been looking for the next Watergate, perhaps they have also been looking for the next Stephen Lawrence case. Secondly, I think there may be a kind of implicit bias at work, meaning that black (or Asian) on white murders are under-reported, or reported in subdued ways, so as not to stir up hatred of ethnic minorites by the majority white population - a noble aim indeed, but one which surely should be applied equally, regardless of the ethnic origins of the perpetrators and victims.

Originally posted by LordChaverly
'For whatever reason' - now there's a phrase to conjure with. Media juggernauts do indeed roll, and media feeding frenzies do indeed occur, but not in totally random fashions. I suspect there are two factors which might explain the disparity in coverage we are discussing. Firstly, there is what might be termed the 'Watergate' factor - i.e. ever since Watergate journalists have been looking for a similar story with which to make journalistic reputations and expend acres of newsprint. In this case, a Stephen Lawrence type murder would fit the bill. Secondly, I think there may be an kind of implicit bias at work, meaning that black (or Asian) on white murders are under-reported, or reported in subdued ways, so as not to stir up hatred of ethnic minorites by the majority white population - a noble aim indeed, but one which surely should be applied equally, regardless of the ethnic origins of the perpetrators and victims.
I agree with your post 100%......We are all told that the colour of skin is not an issue as we are all equal and treated equal under the law.

This however is not portrayed by the Media as being so.

so from what I can gather an 18 year old black kid was axed to death simply because he was going out with a white girl?

That is so f**ked. What goes through these kids heads.

I'll like to see the state of their parents as well.

absolutely disgusting.

Originally posted by LordChaverly
I think the point being made was about the racial aspect of the saturation coverage of this dreadful crime. For example, the very brutal murders of Gavin Hopley and of Kriss Donald (both by Asian gangs) did not receive anything like the saturation coverage given to the present case. We have all heard of Stephen Lawrence. How many people know of the much more recent cases of Gavin Hopley or Kriss Donald?

all murders are bad BUT as has already been said the reason i think this murder is all over the place is because he actually had an axe embedded in his head, beats a boring knife tot he heart ony day of the week........we all know the news like sensational stories to sell papers, get viewers, listeners

Originally posted by robbie
so from what I can gather an 18 year old black kid was axed to death simply because he was going out with a white girl?

That is so f**ked. What goes through these kids heads.

I'll like to see the state of their parents as well.

absolutely disgusting.

just ask a few people on here :)

Originally posted by Lestat
He's only put 'Muslim' to make all muslims sound bad. It's a very good pyscological ploy . . . .[/URL]

sorry lestat....but why should it be `black' boy in your title thread. according to previous posts it is immaterial. why not 18yr old boy. is it a psychological ploy as well?

Well I personally think too much is made of it when someone of ethnic minority has something bad done to them, yes its wrong, but it doesnt need to be all over the news like a bad rash. Im sure there are plenty of racist criems that involve someone of colour doing something to a white person, but as many people have said, this rarely gets shown.

And this is coming from me who is actually black.

Originally posted by spyro2000
Well I personally think too much is made of it when someone of ethnic minority has something bad done to them, yes its wrong, but it doesnt need to be all over the news like a bad rash. Im sure there are plenty of racist criems that involve someone of colour doing something to a white person, but as many people have said, this rarely gets shown.

And this is coming from me who is actually black.

well said. peole love to sensationalize (suprised if i spelt that right!) stories..

p.s. this is a horrific story and i hope the person is found and punished to the full extent of the law

and tbh when i lived in pitsmoor, i was coming home late from a punk gig, just turned up burngreave road, just below the garage and was approached by a guy holding a fire axe who demanded money off me, i told him i only had 3 pence left (which i did, placed it in his hands to show him, tried talking him out of sticking said axe in my head which he said he was going to do if i didnt give him money, finally he left.........with my 3 pence :P
i think he was a crackhead.......he had the mad scary eyes and wouldnt take no for an answer.

and yes he was black, but he couldve just have been white and on the manor or somewhere

Originally posted by MTheo
sorry lestat....but why should it be `black' boy in your title thread. according to previous posts it is immaterial. why not 18yr old boy. is it a psychological ploy as well?

i was thinking that myself double standards methinks:suspect:

Originally posted by panda79
i was thinking that myself double standards methinks:suspect:

I think its just the way it is. When someone sees people in this country (correct me if im wrong) if they are not white, they will mention their colour half the time

Example: You buy a watch off some kids who are black in town. Someone asks where you got it from, you might say "I bought it off some black kids in town"

Example: You buy a watch off some kids who are white in town.
Someone asks where you got it from, you might say "I bought it off some kids in town"


Make sense?
It doesnt bother me, I just think thats how society works.

Originally posted by spyro2000
I think its just the way it is. When someone sees people in this country (correct me if im wrong) if they are not white, they will mention their colour half the time

Example: You buy a watch off some kids who are black in town. Someone asks where you got it from, you might say "I bought it off some black kids in town"

Example: You buy a watch off some kids who are white in town.
Someone asks where you got it from, you might say "I bought it off some kids in town"


Make sense?
It doesnt bother me, I just think thats how society works.

yeah thats true enough...i mean to me i'll prob give the most descriptive thing about a person...and being a different colour to me is prob the most obvious thing!...then what they are wearing...its nothing to do with racisim...its just how you describe someone.

Almost as sickening as the brutality of this murder and it's apparent motivation has been the media coverage.

I really do despair of the BBC in particular. A public broadcasting service with the scruples of a sensationalist red-top tabloid rag :gag:

Originally posted by spyro2000
I think its just the way it is. When someone sees people in this country (correct me if im wrong) if they are not white, they will mention their colour half the time


Conversley the short news bulletin on C5 just now did not mention the colour of the assailant in that incident on the London bus. Just that police were examining CCTV footage, but as he was wearing a 'hoodie' with the hood up I doubt they'll get much from it.

Originally posted by spyro2000
I think its just the way it is. When someone sees people in this country (correct me if im wrong) if they are not white, they will mention their colour half the time

Example: You buy a watch off some kids who are black in town. Someone asks where you got it from, you might say "I bought it off some black kids in town"

Example: You buy a watch off some kids who are white in town.
Someone asks where you got it from, you might say "I bought it off some kids in town"


Make sense?
It doesnt bother me, I just think thats how society works.

yeah it is how society works BUT thats the thing, dont do what society does, think for yourself, change yourself and maybe society might change, probably wont, but following the rat race just because you cant change it is wrong......change yourself thats all that matters :)

Originally posted by melthebell
yeah it is how society works BUT thats the thing, dont do what society does, think for yourself, change yourself and maybe society might change, probably wont, but following the rat race just because you cant change it is wrong......change yourself thats all that matters :)

O dont really see the problem with it. If someone tells me that bought a watch off some kids, I would automatically presume they are white. SO I presume if you were in Asia and someone said the same, you would automatically presume they were asian, but if they were white, you would say they were white, an so on and so on. I dont see it as a problem. The minority will always get mentioned if it is them

Originally posted by spyro2000
O dont really see the problem with it. If someone tells me that bought a watch off some kids, I would automatically presume they are white. SO I presume if you were in Asia and someone said the same, you would automatically presume they were asian, but if they were white, you would say they were white, an so on and so on. I dont see it as a problem. The minority will always get mentioned if it is them

id say i bought a watch off some kids down the market.......or wherever

THEN if somebody wanted to know who exactly cos they wanted one.THEN id explain in more detail........ie:- black kid, stood by the cd stall wearing a green parka and reeboks

I wouldn't buy a watch off any colour kids in a market. :suspect:

It'd probably been nicked of somebody else anyhoo :D

specially if they were wearing hoodies.



ps why did you need to put black in the thread title?

It's immaterial isn't it? like saying muslim or whatever

Originally posted by nez75
No mention of the racist murder of a white youth who was kidnapped by asylum seekers in Glasgow last year.


Any chance you could mention it and fill me in on which case you are referring to.


Originally posted by nez75
The race war is coming.

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm intersting observation.

Originally posted by melthebell
id say i bought a watch off some kids down the market.......or wherever

THEN if somebody wanted to know who exactly cos they wanted one.THEN id explain in more detail........ie:- black kid, stood by the cd stall wearing a green parka and reeboks

Yeah YOU wouldnt say that, but Im sure you know where Im coming from, as the majority of people wouldnt say that.

it's picking out something unusual to make the description specific and memorable. Given that 98% of the population are white (100% of those statistics were guessed at) saying black, hispanic or asian narrows things down quite a lot. Other descriptive terms might be short, tall, bald, thin, fat, spotty, tatoo'd or whatever else is unusual about them.
It's not racist to use colour to narrow down a description, but it is superflous if they are white, leave out any bit of a description and most people will assume that it's the most common of that type.

If you don't specify a colour, we assume white, if you don't specify bald we assume they have hair, etc...

Originally posted by Cyclone
it's picking out something unusual to make the description specific and memorable. Given that 98% of the population are white (100% of those statistics were guessed at) saying black, hispanic or asian narrows things down quite a lot. Other descriptive terms might be short, tall, bald, thin, fat, spotty, tatoo'd or whatever else is unusual about them.
It's not racist to use colour to narrow down a description, but it is superflous if they are white, leave out any bit of a description and most people will assume that it's the most common of that type.

If you don't specify a colour, we assume white, if you don't specify bald we assume they have hair, etc...


Spot on Cylcone, now why didnt I have the sense to phrase what I meant the way you did.

The police are looking for Michael Barton who is the younger brother of Joey Barton the Man City player. They think he has fled abroard.

Well I hope they catch up with all concerned and put them away for a very long time. These people who have no regard for a human life should be locked up forever. It must be an awful time for the family of the deceased boy.

Originally posted by MTheo
sorry lestat....but why should it be `black' boy in your title thread. according to previous posts it is immaterial. why not 18yr old boy. is it a psychological ploy as well?

You dont have to apologise MTheo. The reason I put black in the thread was because it was a FACT. It was TRUE - i.e. not a guess.

Originally posted by LordChaverly
The lethal stabbing on the London bus yesterday was by a black youth on a white youth. It did not receive anything like the attention of the awful story mentioned above. The latter is currently headline news and has been compared to the Stephen Lawrence case 12 years ago. If there have 'only' been two such cases in 12 years, then far from providing evidence of rampant and violent white-on-black racism, it would perhaps tend to support the opposite conclusion. It is the media though which shapes our perceptions of social 'realities'.
I totally agree all over the Front page was the death of the young lad from Liverpool,but the 28 yrs old from London who was murdered was on page 15 of the Daily Mirror,it just said the lad stood up after the murderer had been throwing chip's at everyone & then he targeted his girlfriend so he stood up & was set upon with a knife by this murdering scum,who the papers said had a Afro hair style,it did not mention his colour,but the young lad from Liverpool was muredered by White lads 1 possibley the brother of Man City player Joey Barton.

It made perfect sense to me to mention the young lad was black in the thread title

It was a totally despicable race crime after all

Yes I agree about stating the lad's colour in the tread title,but at the end of the day why is this classed as a racial killing & the white lad from London was not,the papers stated the lad who stabbed the lad from London had Afro hair style do afro's hair styles belong to the coloured race alone. but there was no mention of the murderer's colour.But the colour of the Black lad was mentioned,I have seen many news reports where white lads have attacked different races but when a white person was attacked the attacker at a later date was of a different race was not mentioned at the time of the attack.My point is why is it racially motivated when a white person murders a coloured person but not the same when a white person is murdered.This is the reason of many people's hatred towards one & other.I am not a racist but I just wanted to make my point apolgies to anyone I may have offended & condolences to both the family's who lost there son's.RIP

Originally posted by tosh13
My point is why is it racially motivated when a white person murders a coloured person but not the same when a white person is murdered.This is the reason of many people's hatred towards one & other.

Not always true.

The lad in Liverpool was murdered because he was black

The guy in London was killed, not because he was white, but because he stood up to a thug who happened to black. If the murdered guy was black, he still would probably have got stabbed.

That's why the London stabbing is not seen as racially motivated, whereas the Liverpool one was.

Ultimately, it's all murder at the end of the day. Just because one murdered person was black and one was white does not make it any less serious from my point of view.

I need to change direction of the thread while still keeping it's context. I need to ask a question, are things really worse now, or are we getting the news quicker, so to feed that news, more murders and assaults are being reported?

If you look into the past 150 years of murders and assaults then I would suggest we have no more than the Victorians had, murders prior to the abolition of the death penalty and after. The facts are online if you wish to search.

Yes, it was a terrible crime and hence makes the headlines. It has no similarity to the Steven Lawrence murder except it involved 2 or more races. This is newspaper talk. I wait to see if any similarity is found.

The person murdered because chips were being thrown at his girlfriend is again a terrible tragedy but if you take time to look at front covers of local newspapers on the net you will find numerous local murders that are never reported nationally.

It is true, unfortunately, that now a murder needs some other sensation to make it copy headline. Colour is an easy option, as is drugs and alcohol fueled attacks or in the case discussed, the way the victim was found.

What really is missing is the lack of education. The education to live a more genteel life, no matter what colour, religion, sexual orietation etc. you are. Instead of the Gung Ho attitude portrayed by various outlets of the popular media.

This whole issue has depressed me greatly and I don't want to be drawn into the arguments about the racial aspects of the crime and the media's reporting or not reporting other murders.

I just want to ask the question:

What kind of mind could contemplate the idea that they have the right to attack a young man and sink an axe into his skull?

What could a human being do to deserve that fate?

I would sincerely like to see the prepatrator of this heinous crime asked that question if and when he is caught.

Originally posted by Carmine
This whole issue has depressed me greatly and I don't want to be drawn into the arguments about the racial aspects of the crime and the media's reporting or not reporting other murders.

I just want to ask the question:

What kind of mind could contemplate the idea that they have the right to attack a young man and sink an axe into his skull?

What could a human being do to deserve that fate?

I would sincerely like to see the prepatrator of this heinous crime asked that question if and when he is caught.

And who goes out with an axe when going to the chippy?

For some reason this murder has sickened me deeply

( I say some reason because there are other murders and we get immune to being upset about them all or even cover them in the media)

Hope the killer is caught and the sentence is a very long one...

Onto the word Black being in the title.. presume it is because this being considered as a race related murder?

Sorry, Abdul. But I feel you are making subjective assumptions to support your assertion that the London killing was not racially motivated. In my opinion, at present there is insufficient evidence to make any assertions about this killing.

Purely as an exercise in critical thinking, I have read some of the early news reports on this and all they report is that a black man wearing a hooded top stabbed a white man who had challenged him about his behaviour on the upper deck of the London bus. They go on to name the victim and give a brief description of the circumstances leading to the stabbing. No where does it report that racist taunting or abuse was evident.

However, neither does it mention that it is was not. Nor whether the offender was alone or part of a larger group. And if so, if they were a multiracial group or a single race group. Neither, of course, does the report give an account of the thoughts of the offender(s) and the victim up to and during the offence.

This killing, for whatever reason, has not received the same amount of news coverage as the Liverpool killing. Because of that, details are sketchy and so sound conclusions are impossible to make. So, until an arrest is made and witnesses interviewed etc, we simply do not know whether this was a black-on-white racist attack, or an attack provoked by white racist taunting, or not a racial attack at all.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Disco_Cat
[B]Any chance you could mention it and fill me in on which case you are referring to.

Here you are mate:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4022567.stm

Originally posted by nez75
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Disco_Cat
[B]Any chance you could mention it and fill me in on which case you are referring to.

Here you are mate:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4022567.stm

No mention of the perpetrators being Asylum Seeker.

Seems to be a common myth coming from certain people in Sheffield that Kriss was murdered by Asylum Seekers, Our_heritage based her speech to the BNP meeting in Halifax upon this misconception.

Strange the BNP profess to be the only people who care about this young boys tragic death, yet they lie about who killed him and don't even do him the dignity of spelling his name correctly on their website.

You could be forgiven for suspecting they have an ulterior motive, perhaps starting this race war you speak of?

Originally posted by Abdul
Not always true.

The lad in Liverpool was murdered because he was black

The guy in London was killed, not because he was white, but because he stood up to a thug who happened to black. If the murdered guy was black, he still would probably have got stabbed.

That's why the London stabbing is not seen as racially motivated, whereas the Liverpool one was.

Ultimately, it's all murder at the end of the day. Just because one murdered person was black and one was white does not make it any less serious from my point of view.
The only person who know's if the attack in London was racially motivated is the guy who killed him.

Disco, What I would be asking about the crime you are carrying on about is, Is there a difference between a Black youth having an axe imbedded in his skull and a white youth who was stabbed 13 times and then had petrol thrown on him, Still alive, then burned to death.

All I can say myself is that the Media hype is for one and not the other, based soley on the colour of the victim.

Again the question comes to mind.
Is a person of one colour worth less than the other in the media's eyes?

Originally posted by spartacus
Sorry, Abdul. But I feel you are making subjective assumptions to support your assertion that the London killing was not racially motivated. In my opinion, at present there is insufficient evidence to make any assertions about this killing.

Purely as an exercise in critical thinking, I have read some of the early news reports on this and all they report is that a black man wearing a hooded top stabbed a white man who had challenged him about his behaviour on the upper deck of the London bus. They go on to name the victim and give a brief description of the circumstances leading to the stabbing. No where does it report that racist taunting or abuse was evident.

However, neither does it mention that it is was not. Nor whether the offender was alone or part of a larger group. And if so, if they were a multiracial group or a single race group. Neither, of course, does the report give an account of the thoughts of the offender(s) and the victim up to and during the offence.

This killing, for whatever reason, has not received the same amount of news coverage as the Liverpool killing. Because of that, details are sketchy and so sound conclusions are impossible to make. So, until an arrest is made and witnesses interviewed etc, we simply do not know whether this was a black-on-white racist attack, or an attack provoked by white racist taunting, or not a racial attack at all.
Totally Agree with your comments.

Originally posted by tosh13
Totally Agree with your comments.

Yes but there is also no evidence that it WAS racial either, so whats your point? The axe murder was clearly racial, and so is reported that way.

Originally posted by Delboy3

Again the question comes to mind.
Is a person of one colour worth less than the other in the media's eyes?

Not according to the Observer as when they list, Victims of racially motivated killings 2001-2004 in this article http://observer.guardian.co.uk/focus/story/0,,1446294,00.html

Their is the following entry with the victims name spelt correctly,

Kriss Donald
A 15-year-old Glasgow schoolboy, was abducted, beaten and stabbed to death by an Asian gang, including Daanish Zahid, in revenge for a white-on-Asian attack the night before.


Originally posted by Delboy3

All I can say myself is that the Media hype is for one and not the other, based soley on the colour of the victim.


Their are other factors you should consider as well such as the fact the Donald family have expressed wishes that the case is not turned into a campaign. Also you have to remember that this horrific and barbaric crime did occur in Scotland and it is much bigger news North of the border, you’d be surprised how much Scottish news simply does not get a mention in England.

Also some people are deliberately misreporting or underreporting this case to suit their political aspirations, for example the BNP website professes to be the only news source to adequately cover this case.

If this is so then how come their is a news article from the BBC regarding the unprecedented arrest of suspects in Pakistan from earlier this year http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4644453.stm
Yet no mention on the BNP website.
Why would the BNP not report this vital update in the case? they had after all made much of the fact that three suspects remained at large surely they would want to let people know they had been bought to justice?

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
Not according to the Observer as when they list, Victims of racially motivated killings 2001-2004 in this article http://observer.guardian.co.uk/focus/story/0,,1446294,00.html

Their is the following entry with the victims name spelt correctly,

Kriss Donald
A 15-year-old Glasgow schoolboy, was abducted, beaten and stabbed to death by an Asian gang, including Daanish Zahid, in revenge for a white-on-Asian attack the night before.




Their are other factors you should consider as well such as the fact the Donald family have expressed wishes that the case is not turned into a campaign. Also you have to remember that this horrific and barbaric crime did occur in Scotland and it is much bigger news North of the border, you’d be surprised how much Scottish news simply does not get a mention in England.

Also some people are deliberately misreporting or underreporting this case to suit their political aspirations, for example the BNP website professes to be the only news source to adequately cover this case.

If this is so then how come their is a news article from the BBC regarding the unprecedented arrest of suspects in Pakistan from earlier this year http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4644453.stm
Yet no mention on the BNP website.
Why would the BNP not report this vital update in the case? they had after all made much of the fact that three suspects remained at large surely they would want to let people know they had been bought to justice?
Let me just say that the BNP should not be in this thread in anyway shape or form.
What they do on their website is as you have already stated...mis-inform and only report parts of stories that suit their followers.

The carpet reporting by the media of this Black youth being butchered by racists only gives the BNP another angle in which to state the same comments as I have done.

The facts are there, All racist murders and attacks SHOULD be given the same media responce.
Not used to sensationalize and create racial tensions just to sell the extra few papers which is exactly what the media is doing.

There have been many racial attacks by both white and coloureds alike.
There is no difference between the severity of these attacks and should all be seen as vile crimes against humanity.

PLease leave the BNP out of this debate as it will only lead to altercations and the iminent closure of the thread as seen in other threads.

Originally posted by Delboy3

The facts are there, All racist murders and attacks SHOULD be given the same media responce.


Really?

Their has been a 500% increase in hate crimes in London alone sine the 7th of July, do you think every single one of these incidents should be given equal news coverage?

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
Really?

Their has been a 500% increase in hate crimes in London alone sine the 7th of July, do you think every single one of these incidents should be given equal news coverage?
Why not? Is one hate crime any more news worthy than the other?

I admit the murders should get a little more but then that should be for all murders that are deemed racist not just the ones they decide to run with to sell papers.

Originally posted by Delboy3
Why not? Is one hate crime any more news worthy than the other?


In reality yes. the news coverage in this particular case increased greatly when the celebrity footballer element was emerged. That was the lead angle on the news this evening.

Stephen Lawrence's murder in itself was never really a news story, rather the racist police investigation and the fact no one has ever been found guilty was the news element, In contrast of course Kriss’s murderers were bought of justice so it becomes less news worthy.

A Rasta was brutally murdered by racists in Nottingham the other year and it received only local news coverage, no were near the levels this case has received. Was that due to the anti-white media? or perhaps because an 18 year old with everything to live for being murdered is a bigger news story then a middle aged man being killed.

Indeed a man from Pakistan was kicked to death in racist attack only the other week again in Nottingham, this has received much less news coverage then the ‘chip row’ murder. Again are you blaming this discrepancy on an anti-white media bias?

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
In reality yes. the news coverage in this particular case increased greatly when the celebrity footballer element was emerged. That was the lead angle on the news this evening.

Stephen Lawrence's murder in itself was never really a news story, rather the racist police investigation and the fact no one has ever been found guilty was the news element, In contrast of course Kriss’s murderers were bought of justice so it becomes less news worthy.

A Rasta was brutally murdered by racists in Nottingham the other year and it received only local news coverage, no were near the levels this case has received. Was that due to the anti-white media? or perhaps because an 18 year old with everything to live for being murdered is a bigger news story then a middle aged man being killed.

Indeed a man from Pakistan was kicked to death in racist attack only the other week again in Nottingham, this has received much less news coverage then the ‘chip row’ murder. Again are you blaming this discrepancy on an anti-white media bias? I find the newspapers are doing their job, trying to sell their papers to the gullible that buy them.

The more sensational the story can be made to seem, the more papers are sold.
Anti-White media bias?

One example: a white youth was involved in a car accident with a car that was uninsured and driven by an unlicenced asian and 4 asian friends in Rotherham 2 years ago.

They beat the crap out of this youth and smashed his car windows, bonnet etc with damage estimated at over 3000.00

The White youth was taken to hospital...and afterwards was chased on several occasions by these asians for laying charges against them.

They were charged and ordered to pay 300 pounds Comp and 50 pounds damage.
The white youth left the country soon afterwards as he recieved death threats.
Nothing was done about it and the media said it was not newsworthy.

If this same crime happened to an asian in Rotherham, the media coverage would have been there with RACIAL Attack being the story.

Originally posted by MTheo
well said. peole love to sensationalize (suprised if i spelt that right!) stories..

p.s. this is a horrific story and i hope the person is found and punished to the full extent of the law perhaps that is what needs working on, extending the full extent of the law
make criminals afraid of going to prison instead of seeing them laugh at a sentance ,make them aware that 25 years will mean a full 25 years,not half of it.

if the system was feared crime would go down,

Originally posted by depoix
perhaps that is what needs working on, extending the full extent of the law
make criminals afraid of going to prison instead of seeing them laugh at a sentance ,make them aware that 25 years will mean a full 25 years,not half of it.

if the system was feared crime would go down,

you'd think so, but it's not true.
Most people committing a crime convince themselves that they will not be caught, so they don't think about the potential penalty because "it won't happen to me". That's why the death penalty doesn't act as a deterrant.

Originally posted by Cyclone
you'd think so, but it's not true.
Most people committing a crime convince themselves that they will not be caught, so they don't think about the potential penalty because "it won't happen to me". That's why the death penalty doesn't act as a deterrant.
What utter rubbish!

The death penalty is a deterrant, Singapore has a zero tollerance on all crimes and as such it is very rare that they have any crime committed

In the UK there is no deterrant.
Crimes are not punished and the ones that do get a custodial sentence are treated with kid gloves and afforded all the comforts of home.
In some cases the prison life is better than what they have at home and the introduction of tagging allows them to be at home.

If the death penalty, hard labour and a more draconian prison service were introduced, criminals would think twice before offending.

The penalty in the UK for murder is a possible 7 years prison with good behaviour and an admission of guilt and remorse.

Paedophiles that have molested children as young as 3 years old have been jailed for as little as 4 years.
see: http://www.forensic.gov.uk/forensic_t/inside/news/list_press_release.php?case=30&y=2004

The judicial system in the UK is a joke and will not deter anyone from committing any form of crime.
On the contrary, it encourages it.

Originally posted by tosh13
The only person who know's if the attack in London was racially motivated is the guy who killed him.

True enough, I suppose.

Mind you, initial reports didn't say if the black youth was only throwing chips at white people.

Yet another example of our liberal media ;)

First time i've posted on this thread and i agree that this attack/murder was barbaric and the scum need locking up for life and never to return.

I think it's a fact that this is getting loads of media attention because of the type of the atatck rather than it being just a racist attack. My hope is that the Media dont got to overboard as IMO i generally believed that the level of racism had dropped slightly up until 7/7

Originally posted by spartacus
Purely as an exercise in critical thinking, I have read some of the early news reports on this and all they report is that a black man wearing a hooded top stabbed a white man who had challenged him about his behaviour on the upper deck of the London bus. They go on to name the victim and give a brief description of the circumstances leading to the stabbing. No where does it report that racist taunting or abuse was evident.

However, neither does it mention that it is was not. Nor whether the offender was alone or part of a larger group. And if so, if they were a multiracial group or a single race group. Neither, of course, does the report give an account of the thoughts of the offender(s) and the victim up to and during the offence.

In order for the police to treat an attack as being racist there has to be evidence that it was a racist attack. The attacker(s) being of a different ethnic group to the person attacked doesn't make it a racist attack. If there's no evidence of racial abuse/language etc being used around the time of the attack then it'd be pretty hard to charge someone with a racist attack.

Originally posted by Greenback
That's what happens with the media - cf. Holly and Jessica. Anyone wanna know about Milly Dowler? Thought not.

The media juggernaut starts rolling, for whatever reason, and sometimes very worthy stories don't receive much attention.

Summer is always a slow time for the media, what with all the MPs on their 80-day holiday, and the football season not yet started.

For this reason, they'll usually wring as much as they can out of any story at this time of year.

Originally posted by Delboy3
What utter rubbish!

The death penalty is a deterrant, Singapore has a zero tollerance on all crimes and as such it is very rare that they have any crime committed

In the UK there is no deterrant.
Crimes are not punished and the ones that do get a custodial sentence are treated with kid gloves and afforded all the comforts of home.
In some cases the prison life is better than what they have at home and the introduction of tagging allows them to be at home.

If the death penalty, hard labour and a more draconian prison service were introduced, criminals would think twice before offending.

The penalty in the UK for murder is a possible 7 years prison with good behaviour and an admission of guilt and remorse.

Paedophiles that have molested children as young as 3 years old have been jailed for as little as 4 years.
see: http://www.forensic.gov.uk/forensic_t/inside/news/list_press_release.php?case=30&y=2004

The judicial system in the UK is a joke and will not deter anyone from committing any form of crime.
On the contrary, it encourages it.

A few points.

Singapore: I'd rather not live in a country that fines its citizens $500 for forgetting to flush a public toilet, nor one that detains its citizens indefinitely without trial or one that bans oral sex and homosexual acts.

In the UK there is already a clear deterrent – the loss of freedom.

Additionally, there is little evidence to suggest that the length of sentences has any impact on whether crimes are committed in the first place. For example, most murders aren't pre-meditated and so it's obvious that increased deterrants (such as the death penalty) would have no effect on these or any other 'spur of the moment' crimes.

To say that the judicial system 'encourages' crime is daft.

Originally posted by Delboy3

If this same crime happened to an asian in Rotherham, the media coverage would have been there with RACIAL Attack being the story.


Derek I'm very sorry to here what happened to your son, a similar thing happened to my mum although no were near as severe. She was hit by a car driven by a young lad and gave this report in, but then she got a call from the blokes dad asking if she could change her statement so that it identified him as the driver as the son was not meant to be driving (can't remember if he was underage or just uninsured) my mum refused and a barrage of threatening phone calls, waiting outside our house ensured.

What was the race of the people involved? It doesn't matter does it because this intimidation wasn't motivated by race and reading your above account of what happened to your son their is no reference to racist abuse or race hate being the motivation.

You say your sons case would have got media coverage if he had been Asian but I don't know how you can be so sure about this, after all did you see any media reports regarding the man being murdered in Nottingham last month that I mentioned earlier. Another reason why their might not have been media coverage of the event you talk of is that their appeared to be no trial or as far as you mention it arrests. I've only ever seen road rage news reported at the trial stage.

But I'm very sorry about what happened to your son and even sorrier he had to move away because of it, their are some real ****s out their.

Originally posted by Siân
In order for the police to treat an attack as being racist there has to be evidence that it was a racist attack. The attacker(s) being of a different ethnic group to the person attacked doesn't make it a racist attack. If there's no evidence of racial abuse/language etc being used around the time of the attack then it'd be pretty hard to charge someone with a racist attack.

That's right. As I wrote, the media report makes no mention of any evidence that would suggest any motive other than anger for the London bus stabbing. But all that means is that no such evidence has so far been forthcoming. The truth is that this media report reads like a short story where we are presented with a series of events in chronological order. How we interpret those events depends on our personal frameworks of understanding.

Originally posted by Greenback
A few points.

Singapore: I'd rather not live in a country that fines its citizens $500 for forgetting to flush a public toilet, nor one that detains its citizens indefinitely without trial or one that bans oral sex and homosexual acts.

In the UK there is already a clear deterrent – the loss of freedom.

Additionally, there is little evidence to suggest that the length of sentences has any impact on whether crimes are committed in the first place. For example, most murders aren't pre-meditated and so it's obvious that increased deterrants (such as the death penalty) would have no effect on these or any other 'spur of the moment' crimes.

To say that the judicial system 'encourages' crime is daft.
In effect, what you are saying is that we may as well legalise all crimes and do away with any laws as according to your post,
There is nothing that can deter them.

Singpore: even with stupid laws and fines, relies on discipline to combat crime and it does work.

Next time you get burgled or attacked in the street or your car stolen, don't bother reporting it as there is nothing that can stop them doing it.

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
Derek I'm very sorry to here what happened to your son, a similar thing happened to my mum although no were near as severe. She was hit by a car driven by a young lad and gave this report in, but then she got a call from the blokes dad asking if she could change her statement so that it identified him as the driver as the son was not meant to be driving (can't remember if he was underage or just uninsured) my mum refused and a barrage of threatening phone calls, waiting outside our house ensured.

What was the race of the people involved? It doesn't matter does it because this intimidation wasn't motivated by race and reading your above account of what happened to your son their is no reference to racist abuse or race hate being the motivation.

You say your sons case would have got media coverage if he had been Asian but I don't know how you can be so sure about this, after all did you see any media reports regarding the man being murdered in Nottingham last month that I mentioned earlier. Another reason why their might not have been media coverage of the event you talk of is that their appeared to be no trial or as far as you mention it arrests. I've only ever seen road rage news reported at the trial stage.

But I'm very sorry about what happened to your son and even sorrier he had to move away because of it, their are some real ****s out their.
THanks Disco, He is living well in Holland with a good job and a future.

The attack was with racial language and carried on as such.
The reason that I knew about the forms for reporting of racial discrimination being for only ethnic minorities was from this incident.

Funnily enough....My children have had racial abuse slung at them by Coloured people and whites for being from South Africa and we even caught one Black youth on cctv running past my home shouting F...king S.A. Scum etc.....This idiot couldn't comprehend that I was born in the UK or that my roots go way back.

Believe it or not My great Uncle was the official hangman of the UK.

Mr Albert Pierrpoint.

Originally posted by Greenback
A few points.

Singapore: I'd rather not live in a country that fines its citizens $500 for forgetting to flush a public toilet, nor one that detains its citizens indefinitely without trial or one that bans oral sex and homosexual acts.

In the UK there is already a clear deterrent – the loss of freedom.

Additionally, there is little evidence to suggest that the length of sentences has any impact on whether crimes are committed in the first place. For example, most murders aren't pre-meditated and so it's obvious that increased deterrants (such as the death penalty) would have no effect on these or any other 'spur of the moment' crimes.

To say that the judicial system 'encourages' crime is daft. ahem, loss of freedom? may i point you toward lord archer? practically had his own front door key to the prison, i visited a friend in prison,he was released each day to work in lincoln with the paving team,he was allowed out till 9pm,a small hedge was the only barrier to preventhim jumping prison,his mates used to leave ciggies etc by the hedge for him to pick up

there were 5 tv rooms,a fishing pond,teniss courts he ordered his meals the night before from a menu,the one crime above all in this prison was to walk on the lawn,i kid you not.....loss of freedom,more like 5 star treatment

Originally posted by Delboy3
In effect, what you are saying is that we may as well legalise all crimes and do away with any laws as according to your post,
There is nothing that can deter them.

Singpore: even with stupid laws and fines, relies on discipline to combat crime and it does work.

Next time you get burgled or attacked in the street or your car stolen, don't bother reporting it as there is nothing that can stop them doing it.

If you think that's what I was saying I think you should read the post again, and try again to understand it.

Originally posted by Greenback
If you think that's what I was saying I think you should read the post again, and try again to understand it.
I did understand it.
As this thread is about a black youth being axed I think that it was a pre-meditated murder.
The so called spur of the moment killings are also pre-meditated in one way or another.

When a youth plans to rob a home, the possiblity that they are disturbed by the tenant is taken into consideration, the same goes for any crime where there is a possibility that they could be caught by someone.

Most criminals carry a knife these days making any stabbings they do pre-meditated.
The same goes with any weapon that is being carried!

Your post implies that it is a waste of time to impose deterrants such as long sentences and the death penalty as it would not deter anyone due to most crimes being a spur of the moment.

Your loss of freedom arguement holds no water as the introduction of tagging and the lifestyle that they get in prison is better than the life that most pensioners have.

It is no wonder it costs the taxpayer around 700 pounds a week to look after one of them!

Originally posted by spyro2000
I think its just the way it is. When someone sees people in this country (correct me if im wrong) if they are not white, they will mention their colour half the time

Example: You buy a watch off some kids who are black in town. Someone asks where you got it from, you might say "I bought it off some black kids in town"

Example: You buy a watch off some kids who are white in town.
Someone asks where you got it from, you might say "I bought it off some kids in town"


Make sense?
It doesnt bother me, I just think thats how society works. I think also his being black is relevant because it was a racisist crime. There would have been a back lash if they just said 'a racist murder of a non-white person has occured'. Had it been a violent mugging or an attack by a psychopath then his colour would not have been relevant.

The media have a lot to answer for. They stir up racial tension by making out people who are not white get more than white people. People who believe everything they read in the tabloids and take out on innocent people need to be re-educated about life in the real world.

Originally posted by tulip
I think also his being black is relevant because it was a racisist crime. There would have been a back lash if they just said 'a racist murder of a non-white person has occured'. Had it been a violent mugging or an attack by a psychopath then his colour would not have been relevant.

The media have a lot to answer for. They stir up racial tension by making out people who are not white get more than white people. People who believe everything they read in the tabloids and take out on innocent people need to be re-educated about life in the real world. i dont think colour is relevant,the media could have said, " child murdered by axe",it was a child,the colour to me is secondary but the papers use it to boost sales,perhaps they are guilty of inciting racial hatred,i dont know.
this will most likeley turn into another stephen lawrance case,the police will get hamered,some one will be sacked,obscure mp,s will have their 5 minutes of fame in the house and it will snow ball until it gets out of hand,a child is dead,may he rest in peace,but will he be allowed to whilst people can make a name for themselves appearing in the media.

Originally posted by depoix
i dont think colour is relevant,the media could have said, " child murdered by axe",it was a child,the colour to me is secondary but the papers use it to boost sales,perhaps they are guilty of inciting racial hatred,i dont know.
this will most likeley turn into another stephen lawrance case,the police will get hamered,some one will be sacked,obscure mp,s will have their 5 minutes of fame in the house and it will snow ball until it gets out of hand,a child is dead,may he rest in peace,but will he be allowed to whilst people can make a name for themselves appearing in the media.

Reportedly racist abuse was used by the attackers therefore it's being investigated as a racist attack. I agree under other circumstances that the colour of the victim is irrelevant but if it was the motive for the attack then it becomes relevant. Particularly if you want to prevent it happening again.

The police came under scrutiny after the murder of Stephen Lawrence because they refused to investigate it as a racist crime & instead started looking at what the lad was doing in his personal life to provoke such an attack. When in actual fact he was a decent teenager who'd done very well at school with no history of being involved in anything 'dodgy'.

Originally posted by Siân
Reportedly racist abuse was used by the attackers therefore it's being investigated as a racist attack. I agree under other circumstances that the colour of the victim is irrelevant but if it was the motive for the attack then it becomes relevant. Particularly if you want to prevent it happening again.

The police came under scrutiny after the murder of Stephen Lawrence because they refused to investigate it as a racist crime & instead started looking at what the lad was doing in his personal life to provoke such an attack. When in actual fact he was a decent teenager who'd done very well at school with no history of being involved in anything 'dodgy'. it doesnt stop it happening again though does it,whether s.lawrence was a decent lad or not,he died, it was the way people were using racism in every sentance that kept the story going,that sells papers, and fills time on tv news

Originally posted by depoix
it doesnt stop it happening again though does it,whether s.lawrence was a decent lad or not,he died, it was the way people were using racism in every sentance that kept the story going,that sells papers, and fills time on tv news

The story was kept going because a lot of vital time was wasted by police officers investigating what Stephen Lawrence was involved with that had triggered the attack. Initial refusal to consider it might be a racially motivated attack hindered the investigation & caused his family more than a little distress. Which was why they wanted the issues surrounding the case highlighted.

Nothing changes over night but with enough highlighting of the issues surrounding racism & the way hatred spills over into violent attacks like this draws people (you'd hope!) & society towards the unacceptability of racism & racial intolerance. Personally I'd say as a society we've come a fair way in our attitudes towards racism just because we've still got a fair way to go doesn't mean we should give up or ignore the problem.

Originally posted by Siân
The story was kept going because a lot of vital time was wasted by police officers investigating what Stephen Lawrence was involved with that had triggered the attack. Initial refusal to consider it might be a racially motivated attack hindered the investigation & caused his family more than a little distress. Which was why they wanted the issues surrounding the case highlighted.

Nothing changes over night but with enough highlighting of the issues surrounding racism & the way hatred spills over into violent attacks like this draws people (you'd hope!) & society towards the unacceptability of racism & racial intolerance. Personally I'd say as a society we've come a fair way in our attitudes towards racism just because we've still got a fair way to go doesn't mean we should give up or ignore the problem. thanks sian,it just seems to me that people are pushing the racist thing more than the death of the lad
watching sky news now,they havent once mentioned his colour,yet the bbc fit it in regularly,racism will always be with us,on all sides no matter how we try to get rid of it,im not saying hide it,i just think the police could get better results if their hands wernt tied by operating procedures as to how to procede depending on race and colour, treat a crime as a crime,the race thing should be secondary to the arrest of the murderers

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
Strange the BNP profess to be the only people who care about this young boys tragic death, yet they lie about who killed him and don't even do him the dignity of spelling his name correctly on their website.


Originally posted by Disco_Cat
Also some people are deliberately misreporting or underreporting this case to suit their political aspirations, for example the BNP website professes to be the only news source to adequately cover this case.

If this is so then how come their is a news article from the BBC regarding the unprecedented arrest of suspects in Pakistan from earlier this year http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4644453.stm
Yet no mention on the BNP website.
Why would the BNP not report this vital update in the case? they had after all made much of the fact that three suspects remained at large surely they would want to let people know they had been bought to justice?

Interesting to see someone in the BNP web team is paying close attention to this forum, following these posts regarding the brutal murder of Kriss Donald The BNP have published an article on their website which finally reports the arrest of new suspects in Pakistan. A vital development in the case which was reported by the BBC on the second of July but totally ignored by the BNP at the time.

Also for the first time in this article the BNP have spelt the victims name correctly and have drawn attention to people misspelling it but with no mention that they have done so in the past.

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
Interesting to see someone in the BNP web team is paying close attention to this forum,

****!! looks like ill be next then :P