for years the british sent its crimials to austrailia safe in the knowledge that that would be the last we heard of them - it would appear that now they are sending them back!!! Like a boomarang....






Victims' Groups Slam Paedophile Move



Robert Excell will be a free man when he arrives back in the country of his birth


Victim support groups have attacked Australian authorities for deciding to deport a British paedophile, regarded as one of the country's worst child abusers.

UK-born Robert Excell, 66, who moved to Australia when he was 10, will be flown back to Britain as soon as he has the necessary travel documents - probably within days.

Excell, who has spent has spent 37 years in an Australian jail for a string of sex attacks on boys, will be met on arrival by Special Branch officers.

He will be forced to sign the sex offenders register, but after that he will free.

However, he could be placed under surveillance or made the subject of a Sexual Offences Prevention Order (SOPO) to prevent him from being alone with children or from getting close to a school playground.

Western Australia's attorney general, Jim McGinty, has defended the decision to release Excell, despite admitting that he posed an unacceptable risk to children in the state.

The decision was made in part, he said, because of Excell's poor health and age, and support from his wife.

But the move was widely condemned by campaigners in Britain, who said Excell should never be freed.

Shy Keenan, founder of Phoenix Survivors, a support group for the victims of child sexual abuse, said: "He should spend the rest of his life in jail.

"We want assurances from the new Home Secretary Charles Clarke. We want to know the exact legal process they will use to place a man with a spent Australian conviction on the sex offenders register.

"We want to know if he will be monitored as much as he clearly needs to be.

"From what we understand, the only thing we can do within the UK law is wait and see and hope it isn't your child he destroys."

Norman Brennan, director of the Victims of Crime Trust, said: "This individual poses a maximum danger to children and has committed crime after crime after crime of the worst degrading types of paedophilia.

"It's clear as night follows day as long as this individual's got blood running through his veins he poses a danger. The most appropriate sentence for him is to remain in Western Australia."

Tink Palmer, director of the Stop It Now! campaign against child abuse, described the decision to deport Excell as "ethically wrong".

"Just transporting him from one country to another makes him no less dangerous," she said. "This does not solve the problem - he should be dealt with in Australia.

"He will need considerable supervision in the community and surveillance to maintain the safety of children, wherever he is living."

Excell, who emigrated to Australia as a child but never became a citizen, has spent 37 of the past 39 years in prison.

He has four separate convictions for abusing young boys dating back to 1965.

Since then he has been paroled three times and reoffended on all three occasions. After being released in 1973, he raped a nine-year-old boy and when he got out again in 1977 he raped a 13-year-old boy.

In 1981, he was once again freed on parole but was later convicted of indecent behaviour with a boy under 14.

In November 2002, the state government intervened to force him to remain in jail indefinitely, overruling a parole board decision to let him go free.

But Mr McGinty indicated he had now changed his mind, consenting to Excell's release on the strict condition he be immediately deported.

He said: "What I'm saying to the British is that the parole board has assessed this man as being appropriate for release because the risk he poses is low."

However, he added: "I'm not prepared to accept a low risk with Mr Excell, because we've taken that risk in the past and he has then set about ruining the lives of young West Australians."

Harry Fletcher, assistant general secretary of the probation union Napo, said Excell's deportation was legitimate as his previous sentences had been served in full.



do you think this is fair?

I find that astounding - They think he is fit to be allowed to be a free man and be near children yet they do not think him safe enough to stay in Australia!

So its ok for our children to be at risk! He should not be allowed out of prison while there is ever a risk he will re-offend.

A childs safety is paramount. I hope we can stop this man entering our country a free man. He should only be allowed back here (since he still is a British citizen and technically our responsibility) if he stays in a British Jail.

I suppose from Australias point of view, it is very fair. They do have a very rigid system for dealing with immigrants who cause problems, thus becoming a burden on the nation. If only we..............Oh no! I'd better not go there.

That's awful. He may well have "served his sentences in full" but they couldn't have been nearly long enough. The man is clearly dangerous, why is he even being let into this country? He should remain in custody in Australia - that's where his crimes were committed, they should see it through.
"Ethically wrong" - I should say so, the man is going to cause enormous harm to some family and the bureaucrats want to wash their hands of it "there's nothing we can do" will be uttered. I tell you what, there is something they can do, and if they don't I fear for someone's child.

The thing is Magneteer - This man isn't an immigrant that has just gone to live in Austrailia as an adult and started committing crimes he has been there since he was ten years old! He is more Australian - than British he is now 66yrs old!

Dawney1
I quite agree, and I would rather the Ozzies lock him up and throw away the key. However, as this creature never applied for citizenship, they are perfectlt entitled to get rid.

I can't understand why since he never applied for citizenship did they not send him back to us years ago so we could have kept him in jail and not be dumped with the perv now after all this time when he is still obviously a risk!

I realise he committed the crimes over there so Australia wanted to deal out the punishment but they are now backing down on dealing with him. If they were not committed to punsihing this man properly they should have let us do it in the first place.

You are missing the point and concentrating on the sensationalist coverage that the media are providing.

They're distorting quotes, which you're then using in arguments against this man.

The Australian AG did not say this man was dangerous he said that despite the parole board saying that this man posed 'minimal risk' to society, and was UNLIKELY to ever reoffend, that the AG would not allow ANY risk to the Australian public.

He has served 37 (Yes THIRTY SEVEN) years for a crime committed THIRTY SEVEN years ago, and people who are qualified at decided whether people can be released from prison or not, and whether they are a danger to the public or not decided he wasn't a danger to the public.

People in the UK who committ such crimes rarely serve such long sentences, and are often released early. This guy has been certified as being rehabilitated, and safe for release.

Don't let the media skewer the facts.

edit:

I'm not condoning what Australia is doing, I don't rhink it's right that they're dumping their criminals on our doorstep. Just don't assume the man is dangerous because of the way they're acting.

Originally posted by Hook

He has served 37 (Yes THIRTY SEVEN) years for a crime committed THIRTY SEVEN years ago,

Not quite!
A string of offences over the last 40 years had lead to a total of 37 years inside. I think that the last offence was in the '80's.

Why should they not expel a criminal foreigner?
Many would expect the UK to do the same with immigrants convicted here (and frequently suggest such on this forum).

What the authorities do to monitor him here is another question.

Originally posted by cgksheff
Not quite!
A string of offences over the last 40 years had lead to a total of 37 years inside. I think that the last offence was in the '80's.

Why should they not expel a criminal foreigner?
Many would expect the UK to do the same with immigrants convicted here (and frequently suggest such on this forum).

What the authorities do to monitor him here is another question.

Because he's lived in Australia since he was 10, he's more Australian than British!

Originally posted by Hook

He has served 37 (Yes THIRTY SEVEN) years for a crime committed THIRTY SEVEN years ago, and people who are qualified at decided whether people can be released from prison or not, and whether they are a danger to the public or not decided he wasn't a danger to the public.


These "qualified" people let him out twice before because their assessment was he was a low risk. He raped children both times.

Low risk isn't good enough. He should be kept in prison until he dies and I think 99% of people would agree.

Originally posted by Hook
Because he's lived in Australia since he was 10, he's more Australian than British!

not legally he isn't.

Originally posted by Cyclone
not legally he isn't.

So they're just abandoning the recovery process at the stage when it's most vital. I'd like to hope the government over here at least provide the support he SHOULD be getting after his release, although I'm sure they'll do their best to distance themselves from it.

Originally posted by Hook
I'd like to hope the government over here at least provide the support he SHOULD be getting after his release

Would that be the kind of support you get from gallows? :D

There are just some people you can't/shouldn't rehabilitate. This person has shown a habit of hideous crimes. No amount of "support" will be enough. I'd rather the effort went on "supporting" the victims who are going to have to live the rest of their lives with a terrible trauma.

Originally posted by Zamo
These "qualified" people let him out twice before because their assessment was he was a low risk. He raped children both times.

Low risk isn't good enough. He should be kept in prison until he dies and I think 99% of people would agree. i totally agree, unfortunately most paedophiles dont seem to get cured, thier addiction for child sex is too strong

Why is chemical castration never considered as an option, or does that contravine their human rights?

There have been some "new" allegations made that accuse Excell of raping his cell mate while he was in prison, so we might not have this piece of excrement dropped on us after all.

Originally posted by cgksheff
Not quite!
A string of offences over the last 40 years had lead to a total of 37 years inside. I think that the last offence was in the '80's.

ok somebody needs to do their maths...

he went there when he was ten years old? offences for 40 years makes him 50? then 37 years in jail would make him 87... :?

the most he could have been committing these crimes for is about 20 years actually, and thats if he started at 10, which is highly unlikely :P he's had a longer sentance than he would in this country...

he's a british national, he should be in this country, and I don't blame them for sending him here, if we had someone in this situation we'd send them back home too!

Xafier,

Just go and read the press articles (nor the red-tops) before trying to comment out of ignorance.
He did not recieve a single sentence of 37 years.
He has been originally sentenced and spent time inside, then paroled, reoffended, newly sentenced 3 more times with his total time inside adding up to 37 years.
He is now 66. The first offence was in 1965.

In fact, just read the original post in its entirety.

The irony of this in light of all the comments about the illegal immigrants who trafficked that 15 (now 16) year old girl is very telling...

What's good for the goose ?


... and no I don't agree it's a good thing... but honestly, if you were an Australian and you had an out, wouldn't you take it... if the situation were reversed?

Discussion hardly required is it...


Nope, I imagine he'll be lynched by some mob thanks to the Sun or some other paper publishing a picture of him and details of his location... After all they did it once and look what happened.. :loopy:

It is quite normal to send offenders back to their county of origin to complete a sentence.

If this had occurred in this case, fair enough, he could have been dealt with properly over here (and yes, quite possibly released, maybe even earlier), but at least it would have been possible to monitor the situation by our rules.

But to let the chap out, thus severely limiting what the British government can legally do when he does return, then send him back...

...that's the problem.

:rant:

Unfortunatly (some may say) we punish for the offence comitted, not for what someone MAY do, and yes we also send offenders back to their country of origin (proberbly not often/quickly enough).

If this guy committed the same offences in this country, served his sentence, and was released, we would never have heard anything about it. Things like this happen all the time.

The only reason we know about it is because he is being deported and because of the press coverage.

I agree that such people should not be allowed to commit another crime before we can lock them up - but as the law stands at the moment that is where we are at. Not just with him, but others like him.

I wish there were some way of ensuring people like this never get to roam the streets and put our children at risk. Trouble is, there isn't, unless there is a change in the law. If someone has committed repeated offences and cannot be trusted there must be some way of protecting innocent people/children. The law needs reviewing - and quickly. But as it stands, I dread to think what will happen before he is arrested again.

I agree with Zamo they should lock him up and throw away the key.A cuple of months ago ,( I think it was in Melbourne),a man was found not guilty of sexual assault on an eight year old girl because he was drunk and didn't know what he was doing.
How's that for justice for the little girl?
(Sorry off topic)

Originally posted by cgksheff
Not quite!
A string of offences over the last 40 years had lead to a total of 37 years inside. I think that the last offence was in the '80's.

Why should they not expel a criminal foreigner?
Many would expect the UK to do the same with immigrants convicted here (and frequently suggest such on this forum).

What the authorities do to monitor him here is another question.

That's true. Every time he's been released on parole, he's re-offended within weeks. This has happened at least 3 times over the 37 years.

He was originally sent out to Australia as an orphan, by the way.

He may not be returning to Britain quite as soon as the media are predicting - if at all. It seems he committed a string of sex offences while in jail and one of these is before the courts as we speak. It has to be sorted before he can leave the country. It'll be at least August before a verdict is reached and he may be back inside if found guilty.

I don't normally get involved in these discussions but I want my say this time.
I would say Australians don't feel like supporting this creature in prison the money could be better used in our hospitals and aged units.
However in my opinion the easy way out would be.
First castrate the man. Second tattoo his crime on his forhead.
and thirdly and most importantly let Mr. Mcginty take him home to live with him for the rest of his life, surley this would please some folk.. I'm not usually viscious like this but thats my say

Vera

Originally posted by vhopkinson
I don't normally get involved in these discussions but I want my say this time.
I would say Australians don't feel like supporting this creature in prison the money could be better used in our hospitals and aged units.
However in my opinion the easy way out would be.
First castrate the man. Second tattoo his crime on his forhead.
and thirdly and most importantly let Mr. Mcginty take him home to live with him for the rest of his life, surley this would please some folk.. I'm not usually viscious like this but thats my say

Vera

I think that's a very reasonable thing to say Vera, I would be looking to castrate him around two inches above his shoulders. Viscious...now that's my idea of justice Vera.

I hadn't realised he was sent out to Australiaas an orphan.
Probabley was harmed himself as a child and spent his life harming other children. What does that say about repeating the pattern?
I'm a great believer in castration for these offences. because nothing seems to stop them. Not chemically because I think they would stop taking the tablets,

And why shouldn't Australia deport, we do.
hazel

Mans inhumanity to man

Originally posted by hazel
I hadn't realised he was sent out to Australiaas an orphan.
Probabley was harmed himself as a child and spent his life harming other children. hazel

That is true also. It's claimed he was sexually abused as a child, as many orphans were who were sent out to Australia to be raised by those wonderful catholic priests.

Not that that excuses what he went on to do.

The British-born serial paedophile Robert Ernest Excell is expected to be deported to the UK from Australia tonight.



Excell, 66, was released from prison in Perth today and handed over to immigration officials. He has spent 37 of the past 39 years in Australian prisons since he was first convicted in 1965 of the serious sexual abuse of a seven-year-old boy.


He has been paroled from prison three times and committed another sex crime on each occasion.


Rest of travesty HERE (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1713426,00.html) :mad:

Originally posted by Don_Kiddick
Rest of travesty HERE (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1713426,00.html) :mad:

What's the travesty? Surely it's not that an undesirable is being deported back to his home country?

as long as he's being deported back to a prison & not to liberty.

Originally posted by max
What's the travesty? Surely it's not that an undesirable is being deported back to his home country?

Totally agree Max. He's a Brit and we shoudl deal with him and watch him. I'm guessing he's now free to roam though.

I preach how others should be sent home after commiting crime so i'd be a hypocrite to say otherwise.

The Aussies say he should never be released.

Wherever he is he should remain behind bars. Thats the travesty.

British police on his arrival and would be placed on the Sex Offenders Register, which will impose reporting requirements on him.

He could be placed under surveillance or made the subject of a sexual offences prevention order to stop him being alone with children or getting close to a school playground.

Especially as
The decision to release Excell, despite the fact that he still poses a risk to children, was made in part because of his age and poor health, and because he has support from his wife, Maxine, who married him while he was in jail. She has admitted however that she is still not confident enough to leave her husband alone with her seven grandchildren.

The decision to release Excell, despite the fact that he still poses a risk to children, was made in part because of his age and poor health, and because he has support from his wife, Maxine, who married him while he was in jail.She has admitted however that she is still not confident enough to leave her husband alone with her seven grandchildren.

Errr ....speaks volumes. Lock the f**ker up & throw away the key.

I agree! It says each time he was given parole he re-offended... how then can they say he is moderate to low risk? Even his wife doesn't trust him!

These people are sick, there is no cure for this kind of thing, if they release him he will reoffend, his history proves that! Some of the most sick paedophiles have been old men and in poor health. :rant:

Now this would be the ideal opportunity to try out the castration method here in Blighty!? :thumbsup:

Australia just isnt the penal colony it used to be eh??

Originally posted by Priscilla
Australia just isnt the penal colony it used to be eh??


:hihi: Very good!

This has been discussed before

Australia returns unwanted goods (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33466)

It's quite disturbing that he'll be allowed to walk the streets upon his return.

Originally posted by Abdul
This has been discussed before

Australia returns unwanted goods (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33466)

It's quite disturbing that he'll be allowed to walk the streets upon his return.

MOD: Thanks Abdul, threads merged.

People should not assume that this vile individual is only sexually interested in children. Often paedophile offenders have a history of 'crossing over' into offences against adults too [usually women]. The classic stereotype of a paedophile; an inadequate social leper wearing a soiled macintosh, unable to relate to adults is wide of the mark. Often they are 'family men', abusing their children with or without their wife's knowledge and consent. The spectrum of offending and the profile of the offenders is vast in terms of variation. That is not to say that here are no commonalities, and key variables.

Re Excell, I think that he is far too dangerous to be allowed freedom. Even if he is not engaged in the sexual abuse of children, who is to say, given his horrific offending history, that he is not involved with networks of perverts in other capacities which lead to the abuse of children by others? Prison is the place for Excell, with no access to computers. Mind you, that is probably a violation of the beast's 'human rights'. It would be, if he were 'nutted off', in common parlance, and transferred to a psychiatric unit. Owdlad's solution is beginning to appeal to me...

Can't imagine why anyone would want to marry an animal like this :loopy: As usual the authorities will wait until he harms someone before they do anything about him.

Apparently an Australian was beaten to death in a London hotel.
He bore an 'uncanny resemblance' to Excell.......

Originally posted by Splodge_CRB
Apparently an Australian was beaten to death in a London hotel.
He bore an 'uncanny resemblance' to Excell.......

Is that true?

Originally posted by melbournian
Is that true?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4165582.stm

Paedophile lands back in UK from Oz....
Hope there was a lynch mob waiting to greet him 'home' :(

Sick freak. Shoot them all I say.

Cheers CGKSheff.

Why should this **** be able to roam and commit more crimes he can now be held partly responsible for the death of an innocent. What about deporting him to a prison in Baghdad or some other place outside UK and Australia.

In all seriousness that IMO is an excellent idea - Iraq is the place for him lets see how long he survives.

Before any 'what about his civil liberties? 'posts my opinion is he has given up the right to any because of his actions and his persistent offences his photo makes my skin crawl and hearing what he has done makes me sick.

Hang the B*****d.......