id go for Henry rollin, the man with hardly any neck but big muscles

http://dropd.com/issue/59/RollinsBand/rollins2.jpg

Well, this guy ain't no p*ssy!!

http://members.shaw.ca/pelorian/ncrock2.jpg

Much as I'd like to go for one of those big, burly men with all the hair and tattoos...I think that Jack out of the White Stripes is the only rockstar I've seen really beat up on a guy in the past few years!

Most people in rock are actually quite placid unless provoked!

Originally posted by panda79
id go for Henry rollin, the man with hardly any neck but big muscles

http://dropd.com/issue/59/RollinsBand/rollins2.jpg

I agree, or Phil Anselmo : http://img.grungezombie.net/phil/pics/phil_anselmo_319x469.jpg

lemmy from motorhead looks hard in this one:)

http://home.online.no/~tsommers/images/Kjendiser/Lemmy%20stort.jpg

Originally posted by panda79
lemmy from motorhead looks hard in this one:)

http://home.online.no/~tsommers/images/Kjendiser/Lemmy%20stort.jpg

more like one of the Village People IMO :)

Originally posted by nick2
more like one of the Village People IMO :)


come to think of it he does a bit , maybe there should be a campest men of rock thread started up :o

Shakin' Stevens.

When he starts shaking behind that green door you'd better get out the way, fast.

See them legs tremble. And those white pumps, man! Best of all, that Christmassy jerkin he wore in the video to Merry Christmas Everyone.

Scares the sh*t out of me every time I see it.

That, boys and girls, is rock and roll.:thumbsup:

id say henry rollins as well i fink..

although there used to be a guitairst for alice cooper who was massive!!!

and buckethead (ex-guns n roses) is a martial arts expert.

I dunno, maybe the guys from Sick Of It All or Biohazard.

Without a doubt it's got to be Marc Almond or Holly Johnson if one of those two hit you with their handbags you'd know about it buddy!:heyhey:

Mr pussy is good but there is only one

ROLLINS

Another vote for Mr Rollins - just take a look at that neck!

That guy is definitely For Real.

And he used to live in Leeds - that's got to count for something? :suspect:

StarSparkle

Got to be Rollins.

Anyone here read any of his books? He is pretty scarey but I have the greatest admiration for him.

The disciplined epitomy of punk .

Joe

Serj Tankian from SYSTEM OF A DOWN :rant:

It depends what one means by 'hard'. Rollins has a formidable physique, but that does not necessarily mean that he has great martial capabilities. He is rather highly-strung too, if reports are true. 'Hard' men are usually able to control themselves, and pride themselves upon their steely nerves. Highly-strung types [who have a 'temper'], usually lose control in a fighting situation, flailing wildly, without strategy and focus.

I have greater respect for the likes of Suggs [ex Madness], who may just scrape into the category of 'rock', one supposes. Suggs possesses a Black sash [equivalent to Black belt in Karate] in Wing Chun style Kung Fu. The style is particularly effective for close quarter fighting, and emphasises techniques that actually 'work'. In Sheffield parlance, Suggs could leather Rollins.

Hi Timo,

Once again you have astounded me with the depth and range of your knowledge. I had no idea about Suggs, or indeed about other rock hard men. You must be a voracious reader, and not only on academic subjects, and have an awesome memory for both important facts and trivia. Keep up the good work on the forum.

LC

In the spirit of the thread, another vote over here for Rollins.

Timo,
very astute and well argued. And of course you are correct.


My vote for Rollins is purely the fact that he is probably one of the fittest looking men who has ever grunted into a microphone. Especially when you consider his ability to do the splits, walk on his hands, do one finger press ups, jack up cars with his biceps and things. He is a scarey looking animal. I've got no doubt that a good bash in the face with my trusty "Gun and More" in the intrests of self defence, would have him going down, whereas someone like Suggs who has developed his skills in fighting would probably use my clumsy agression with the willow to his advantage, and have me in a half nelson in the best traditions of british wrestling before you could say, "welcome to the house of fun", or even "wel.."

Surelythe answer to this IS "The Rock", or have I misssed something on this thread...

:huh:










;)

PS: Rollins.

Rollins is clearly NAILS, but I wouldn't have fancied his chances in a scrap with Ronnie Van Zandt out of Lynyrd Skynyrd: I believe he once narrowly avoided murdering one of his bandmates when he threw a cymbal at his head during a backstage punch-up.

Lord C,
Thankyou for your kind words. My knowledge on this occasion comes from my experience of martial arts. I no longer train, but have qualifications in Shukokai Karate and Lau Gar Kung Fu. I also dabbled in French Boxe Francaise-Savate [kickboxing]. I have great respect for the Wing Chun style that Suggs is an expert in. It is extremely effective at close quarters because of the 'sticking hands', and gouging techniques. It is not a 'spectacular' style with dramatic high kicks, like Korean Tae Kwon Do, and relies instead upon fast hand techniques combined with low kicks. The legendary Bruce Lee trained in the art, before moving on to master many others. To reiterate, Suggs would be a formidable opponent, especially at close range [and most fights start inside pubs etc, at close range ].

If Rollins, or anybody else for that matter [One thinks of other 'hard men' such as Will Young, Robbie Williams and Daniel O'Donnell], wanted to beat Suggs, they would have to keep the 'baggy trousered' singer at a distance. Providing the fight was in an open space [unlikely], he might be kept at bay with the use of snap-kicks, and some bobbing and weaving as in Savate and Muay Thai [Thai Boxing]. However, in terms of close quarters fighting, only the techniques of Kempo, Krav Maga and Brazilian Ju Jitsu are on par with Wing Chun, and Suggs knows how to use them. Mind you, a cymbal on the back of the nut from Van Zandt would slow him down a tad.

I used to have a mate , sang in a Rock Band , years ago , down t'Cliffe , in Sheffield .
He used to chin geezers left , right and centre . Really nice bloke , though , when you got to know him.
He allus reckoned chinning people was part and parcel o' Rock and he said he always played with that extra , " oomph " , after a good punch up.
I reckon , punch-ups . Rock 'n Roll and civilization go together , don't you ?
Anyway , for what it's worth , I reckon my mate was the hardest geezer in Rock.

Ozzy... he may be a shakey old geezer now but he still had the balls to tackle that robber in his house last year :headbang:

Timo - are you being serious or are you joking? I actually can't tell.

Jack,
I am serious about Suggs' qualifications, and my own martial arts experience, in addition re the effectiveness of Wing Chun techniques in close quarter combat. Of course, it is not the art but the ability of the artist or practitioner that really counts in a real life situation. I would not underestimate Suggs.

Re my references to 'hard men' such as Will Young, Robbie Williams and Daniel O'Donnell; you can rest assured that my tongue was firmly in cheek. After all, a thread like this is humorous to a large extent anyway. I think the likelihood of Suggs and Rollins clashing are nil. I have interpreted 'hard' as equating to martial ability, not looks. However, 'hard' in my book, also refers to mental strength too. In that case, we should [perhaps grudgingly] admire the 'Peter Pan of Pop', Sir Cliff Richard. I would rather endure a vasectomy with nail-clippers than listen to his perfectly dreadful, sickly fare. Nevertheless, the Christian musical entertainer [born Napthali Patterpong , of indeterminate sex, in a treehouse in Jelong] has borne every vile insult imaginable, yet continues to record and perform his music unabated. Cruel rumours abound of colostomy bags, 'closet' homosexuality, miserliness and even chicken-strangling Satanism. Yet the 'Batchelor Boy' goes on and on. There is a 'hardness' about that, if you think about it...

Quite right Timo, but I would add that Sir Cliff counts as being hard on a physical level too, seeing as his face appears to be constructed from some sort of well-weathered rhinocerous-hide coated in bakelite. Rollins would need to take care not to shatter his fists when trying to plant one on that oily mug.

Originally posted by timo
born Napthali Patterpong , of indeterminate sex, in a treehouse in Jelong

Really? Chuffing hell. Didnt know that. As if he needed that ridiculous background for people to hate him. He manages to do that perfectly well with his music.


Originally posted by timo
has borne every vile insult imaginable, yet continues to record and perform his music unabated. Cruel rumours abound of colostomy bags, 'closet' homosexuality, miserliness and even chicken-strangling Satanism. Yet the 'Batchelor Boy' goes on and on. There is a 'hardness' about that, if you think about it...

You've got a point there. Although I'd probably have the motivation to carry on in the face of all that slagging if it meant I could take home his wage packet.

Originally posted by timo
In that case, we should [perhaps grudgingly] admire the 'Peter Pan of Pop', Sir Cliff Richard. I would rather endure a vasectomy with nail-clippers than listen to his perfectly dreadful, sickly fare. Nevertheless, the Christian musical entertainer [born Napthali Patterpong , of indeterminate sex, in a treehouse in Jelong] has borne every vile insult imaginable, yet continues to record and perform his music unabated. Cruel rumours abound of colostomy bags, 'closet' homosexuality, miserliness and even chicken-strangling Satanism. Yet the 'Batchelor Boy' goes on and on. There is a 'hardness' about that, if you think about it...

Yes, he's like a cactus isn't he? Albeit, a singing cactus with white teeth.

I wonder if the plastic surgery that he keeps having over his face extends to the rest of his body, or does he turn into a gnarled tree-trunk beneath the neck that's withering away.

Are his feet those of a seventy year old (ie, dried out tea-bags) or have they been 'processed' like his 18 year old face?

I'm beginning to find Sri Patterpong interesting now.

Maybe underneath that polypipe exterior, he resembles one of the martians from War of The Worlds?

'The chances of anything good coming from Cliff Richard's gob, are a million to one they say.'

OZZY OZBOURNE.
The life this bloke has had, from the drink to the drugs, can anyone remember him being aressted for pis**ng "remember the alamo?" he may be a little worse for wear now but hes made some great music and still is a great entertainer.
:thumbsup:

Igor Cavalera (http://www2.uol.com.br/sepultura/skins/igor_profile1.jpg) of Sepultura, Although its metal rather than rock, but it will do. Brought up in the slums of Sao Paulo in Brazil, and a Black Belt, in Ju Jitsu \o.

Joel

Originally posted by MTheo
and buckethead (ex-guns n roses) is a martial arts expert.
I saw Buckethead engage in some sort of a Tai-Chi duel with Sheffield's own Derek Bailey at a gig 15 years ago. There was no contact, but after 15 minutes of the two of them circling one another on stage, their guitars abandoned on the floor, the feedback built up to such a level that my ears were certainly bleeding.

Another martial arts expert, and with something of a reputation for beating up journalists (http://www.punk77.co.uk/groups/stranglersjj.htm) was Jean-Jacques Burnel of the Stranglers.

As for Henry Rollins... pah! Wuss!

Eddie:No Question About It.headbang:

The Poor Guy's Been Through It All As Maiden's Mascot Over The Last 25 Years-And He's Still Going As Strong As Ever!

Dan,
You are correct about Burnel, who I think has a black belt in one style of Karate [don't know which]. I recall him expressing an interest in the circular movement and techniques of Korean Hap Ki Do, and I think he went on to study that particular art too.

Joelc,
I have heard of the band but not the guy you mention. If he is an expert at the Brazilian form of Ju Jitsu, he will be a most formidable opponent. Their 'groundwork' techniques are amazing. That particular art is surely amongst the most effective in the entire martial arts spectrum. Many 'extreme fighters' and 'cage' fighters use the techniques of Brazilian Ju Jitsu too, so they are being proved efficient in real life situations. Some years ago an instructor called James Short [I studied Savate for a while] told me of a 'special' form of Japanese Ju Jitsu, which is not widely taught even in Japan. It is not 'pretty' but apparently works like one wouldn't believe. To be honest, any form of Ju Jitsu [not Judo, which is a sport] is effective if employed well. Most fights involve grappling to a degree, as they usually take place in fairly confined spaces like bars etc. Those who can grapple have such a massive advantage. Old Igor sounds like 'a right knuckling *******', as my dear friend Peter would say...

I agree with Timo (and it has nothing to do with not at all secret crush I have had on Suggs for over 10 years). In there early days Suggs and Madness had a lot of run ins with skins and BNP types who made the mistake of thinking Madness shared their political beliefs.
I am not suprised he knows how to look after himself :D
(of course in a typically female fashion I do confuse 'hard' with 'hot')

Maddy,
I feel rather 'hot' and 'hard' at the moment...

Originally posted by timo
Maddy,
I feel rather 'hot' and 'hard' at the moment...

:o
er........
lol ;)

If we are allowed to cite deceased rock/pop musicians, I would add the late John Bonham [Led Zeppelin drummer] as a possible contender. If the tales are true, 'Bonzo' was a handful in a scrap. Psychology counts so much in these situations, and it would take a tough man not to be intimidated by Bonham's ferocious, glowering expression, and fit, powerful 'village Blacksmith' physique. Allegedly, he and the man-mountain, Peter Grant [Zeppelin's flamboyant Manager] battered and trampled many a cove foolish enough to sell bogus merchandise. Good for them!

Another candidate would be the young Roger Daltrey. Daltrey had a strong reputation as a genuine 'hard nut' in the earlier Who years. I think it rather significant that the subject of the film 'McVicar' considered Daltrey to have the credibility required to play him. 'Hard nut' peer approval if ever one heard it...

Having attended several Stranglers gigs around the country i the late 70's , early 80's i can vouch for Jean Jaque Burnell's 'temper'.
There was one reported incident (just before a gig at the City Hall) where the usual fashion of spitting on the front man/men became a little too much, even for a hardened punk like him, and he un-hitched his bass and did some severe damage to the offending 'fan'.
I remember Hugh Cornwell subsequently getting his share of spit that evening at the City Hall ,but JJ being mysteriously left alone !

More audience-baiting, from an interview with JJ Burnel:
When we went to Marseilles in the south of France... Now "The Marseillaise" is the French national anthem but we discovered that particular day that there are actually twenty-seven verses to the French national anthem and no ****ing French person knows them. They only know the first verse so we came on stage and Hugh said "Yeah, home of the French national anthem" and everybody cheers. Then he says, "Well, look. Just to celebrate the event we'd like to give a bottle of champagne to anyone who comes up here and can sing the French national anthem." There's hundreds of people coming up on stage and so this lad comes up and sings the first verse and she says "Is that it then?" The guy said "Yeah" and Hugh said "No. There's another twenty-six verses. Can't you ****ing sing the other twenty-six verses?" and the guy says "I don't know the other twenty-six verses." Hugh says "Well, you've got to suffer the punishment." Let me take his trousers off and stick a banana up his ass. Up until then we had three gold albums n France. That was the end of our career for about five years.

Josh Homme from Queens of the Stoneage has been known for smacking guys about, that talk **** about his lady.

I'm going to go with Rollins though.

It has to be Jean Jacques Burnel from the Stranglers. A black belt in Karate and always gave the impression of being slightly unhinged.

JJ was not averse to laying in to anyone brave / stupid enough to get on stage during Stranglers' gigs.

that guy who was in the metal band thor was quite hard i wouldnt have minded him as a bodyguard:thumbsup:

It's odd that you choose to single out an ability at martial arts so heavily. Perhaps not tho. After all, you do that stuff yourself.

Personally I equate "hardness" with the ability to 'stalk and destroy' (usually from behind with copious usage of baseball bat.)

Unless martial arts also grants a "spidey sense" then the unknown psycho assailant that attacks from behind (from darkness), wins hands down.

So, who knows who is actually hard? Maybe it is Sir "baseball bat" Cliff Richard after all? Or Marc "2 by 4 with nail" Almond? ...or Jimmy "The *******" Sommerville?
or...

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Similarly - the hardest female celebs got an airing on my old thread (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51978&highlight=bitchfight) but alas it got left by the wayside...

Maybe someone fancies regenerating it for me? :D :thumbsup: