seems there are a spate of muggings from people using speedbank machines at Firth Park. Not just after dark as well.
Nice to see Blunkett's kept his promise to reduce streetcrime in his own area!

Another own goal for the mainstream parties!

I don't think that you can blame Blunkett for a single scrote who has taken up mugging.

its hardly a single scroat? seems there's a gang of them at it.

And if they are doing what you say the Police will catch them soon. In the meantime - take care :thumbsup:

Lol! The police will catch them!!!!
:nod: Of course they will.
Which world are you living in, again? :wow:
No offence, but I doubt it. At the moment I doubt they could catch the flu! :loopy:

I have a lot of sympathy with the Police - It's the toughest job conceivable. They have to deal with people that are the most unimaginable scum. Here are a few examples of what they do...

It's the Police that actually go to face the armed gang / potential suicide / knife wielding drunk / abusive husband / unarrestable child.

It's the Police who have to scrape body parts off the road after RTA's, and then tell the relatives of the child / wife / husband without giving the horror away.

It's the Police that are seriously under funded and under staffed. The political parties and Sheffield Forum then use them as punch bags.

It's the Police that have to be a combination of law enforcer / social worker / drugs project worker / Paramedic / marriage guidance councillor / clerk / telephone operator / street racing driver / school teacher / substitute parent / Traffic Warden / etc / etc.

It takes a special person to stick it. Would you have the stomach - I doubt it very much? None of what the Police does is at their behest – it’s people like you and me that call them for help when we can’t hack it. It's about time that people started taking responsibility for their own lives, not blaming others who risk theirs on your behalf.

… and their huge reward for all the above... £30k pa and the label "pigs". What the **** are you people on?

Thanks for the tip, InternetOwl

Do you have any more information on the perpetrators?

Are they using vehicles, or on foot?

And which of the three speedbank machines are they targeting (Natwest, Yorkshire or the Lloyds TSB)?

I always have a quick glance around before I withdraw any cash from a machine...a habit I picked up during a decade in Liverpool :loopy:

Originally posted by Tony

It's the Police that have to be a combination of law enforcer / social worker / drugs project worker / Paramedic / marriage guidance councillor / clerk / telephone operator / street racing driver / school teacher / substitute parent / Traffic Warden / etc / etc.

… and their huge reward for all the above... £30k pa and the label "pigs". What the **** are you people on?

In my recent experience (over several months now), I and people I know have had to be all these things, because there has been little if any support from the police and various other organisations we are supposed to be able to rely upon for help and support in times of trouble. We do not get paid 30k (or anywhere near that) to provide these services. We do it because someone has to.

I do not want to let my anger overcome my better nature, and blame individual police for this situation. Clearly something is very very wrong with the SYSTEM.
Should one of those mythological people in uniform actually turn up to help at a situation I would be the first to hug them and thank them for their help. I do not call them pigs, and I am grateful for what work they manage to do.
I just don't feel confident of their help in any situation at the moment.

And I'm not the only one. So please forgive my angry and rather bitter comments, and take on board the message instead: many many people are worried and afraid because something clearly is very wrong with the management of the police force at the moment.

tip for you - they are NOT black, despite people's perceptions, nor assylum seekers or homosexual . They are however well KNOWN in Firth Park. If the Police had anything about them, they would have acted by now!

Originally posted by Internetowl
tip for you - they are NOT black, despite people's perceptions, nor assylum seekers or homosexual . They are however well KNOWN in Firth Park. If the Police had anything about them, they would have acted by now!


Believe me, the Police do care and more often than not they know exactly or have a good idea who is involved in crime. It is not up to the Police to prosecute criminals any more. They have PACE (the Police and Criminal Evidence Act) that means that the CPS (Criminal Prosecution Service - a government body) will not prosecute unless they think they have a more than evens chance of getting a conviction.

One of the problems is that loads of scrotes have easy excuses, like girlfriends who will say that they were together all night. The result is that the Police often pursue crime where they know that they can actually get someone off the street.

The Police aren’t allowed to give people a clip, lock them up or anything much without reasonable cause. But just look out when you are around and you will often see the Police talking to people on the streets – these are more often than not the scrotes that they know are active and they are trying to stay on top of them. Remember their faces!!! More scrotes than coppers tho’!

I wonder if our resident Spook can add anything?

Originally posted by Tony
Believe me, the Police do care and more often than not they know exactly or have a good idea who is involved in crime. It is not up to the Police to prosecute criminals any more. They have PACE (the Police and Criminal Evidence Act) that means that the CPS (Criminal Prosecution Service - a government body) will not prosecute unless they think they have a more than evens chance of getting a conviction.

Yup. The recent spate of arson attacks around Ecclesfield was made worse because of this. Everyone knew who was doing it - the person was bragging about it at school, but they needed the correct evidence (ie CCTV footage or being caught lighting the fire) befre they could make an arrest.

and another thing there i will always be street robberies. blunkett is hardly blameable

The police will know who these people are.As soon as they are arested they always seem to have some dogooder trying to get them off.I don,t know how the police put up with these people.

You need to point the finger at your usual jimmies (crack heads) as I know plenty of them down in Firth Park that would jump at the chance at easy money. A couple even tried it with my mum.. funnily enough I knew who it was and let's just say they won't be at it again.

The Lloyd's TSB is the one to look out for as they can just run into the side roads, use the Natwest one as it's more in the public.

I'm not 'tooting my own horn' but I'd love to see one of the social scumbags try it with me.

Originally posted by GazB
You need to point the finger at your usual jimmies (crack heads) as I know plenty of them down in Firth Park that would jump at the chance at easy money. A couple even tried it with my mum.. funnily enough I knew who it was and let's just say they won't be at it again.


;) :D

To be fair the police are so quick to jump on peoples tails for things like cannabis but when you're getting broken into or your face smashed in they stop at dunkin donuts on the way!

Post deleted- Didn't know there was a CID DC on here.

I think it's unfair to tar all coppers with the same brush.

However, as an organisation I believe it to be instituionally racist, sexist and homophobic. I don't believe this has chanegd in the tem years since the death of Stephen Lawrence.

I've a good friend who's a copper. Apparently in the CID canteen there's a sign that says "You only get one chance in CID. You can always get another wife".

Not exactly modern thinking, is it? With that sort of attitude allowed to pervade the 'force' is it any wonder that the general public hold them in such low esteem?

… and their huge reward for all the above... £30k pa and the label "pigs". What the **** are you people on?

A lot less than that Tony... Don't forget they also get a very generous pension, the opportunity to retire at 55 and more overtime than you could shake a stick at. Sounds pretty good from where i'm sitting.

Originally posted by Red 2
To be fair the police are so quick to jump on peoples tails for things like cannabis but when you're getting broken into or your face smashed in they stop at dunkin donuts on the way!

Is that why Scousers hate the Police so much? When I visited Newsham Park, I'd see adults out with their kids, swearing loudly every time a Police car drove past.

Oooh, those nasty Police officers, making life difficult for those lowlife scallywag shellsuited clearly-misunderstood career criminals

Originally posted by Internetowl
tip for you - they are NOT black, despite people's perceptions, nor assylum seekers or homosexual . They are however well KNOWN in Firth Park. If the Police had anything about them, they would have acted by now! There not gypsies by any chance.

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Instead of knocking the Police you should be supporting them.

Instead of buying something cheap "ask no questions" you should be calling them and telling them exactly who was offering you obviusly stolen goods. Yes, that means your pal at work too who has got some cheap CD's for stocking fillers, and the relative that does charlie off the toilet cistern on a night out.

If you see something suspicious you should dial 999 right there and then.

Dont blame the Police for not doing their job when most people do the damndest to make it harder.

The law is for everyone's benefit. Too many people see it as an opt-in scheme depending on your needs and interests at the time.

Hey I feel quite worthy today - cos I can have these views and hate racism, the BNP and Nazi's all at the same time!! :D

Hey Tony - Instead of buying something cheap "ask no questions" you should be calling them and telling them exactly who was offering you obviusly stolen goods. Yes, that means your pal at work too who has got some cheap CD's for stocking fillers, and the relative that does charlie off the toilet cistern on a night out.

Are you sat behind me at work? :D :lol: The copyright industry will be safe in your hands.

Spook - You don't deny that poster's up in the canteen. I can think of no place of work that would find that sort of statement funny. It's not acceptable - not least because it strongly suggests that CID is a job only for males and that females don't have a main role to play in CID.

Speaking as a woman, I have to say that it is not only the police who are sexist.

I have seen car garages with similar signs, computer shops, and a few other offices. Police officers are no more racist, homophobic or sexist than any other members of society.

I do believe they have a tough job and I certainly wouldn't like to do it. Imagine having to deal with scummers all day, arresting them and then watching the CPS let them off with a measly fine or CSO?? It must make for a very demotivated and low morale work force.

I agree with SteelBlade. I've encountered some seriously sexist attitudes in the corporate world. Although these organisations I've worked for were pr-savvy enough not to have such posters on their walls, it's the sort of thing the movers & shakers would say to each other when trying to finish that deal-clinching report in the office at 3am.

I'm against knocking the police per-se. Like any aspect of society, there are good guys and and there are seriously scary people and the police are no different. However I think that CosyWolf and others are correct to have a serious debate about policing and why scallywags seem to be able to get away with so much so openly. I've been a victim of a *nightmare* cluster of youths who caused chaos every night around my property. And yes I called the cops and they couldn't help much. Yes I found it frustrating.

However, at the risk of sounding like a liberal do-gooder, I think that those protections were put in place to stop the seriously scary coppers from stitching people up, which I'm sure everyone will agree is a good thing. I suppose we've all gotta ask, is it stopping the good cops from helping the rest of us out?

Zeddy

The said poster actually refers to the fact that the CID officer will work long hours, and the wife will moan, but if you dont work long hours your senior officer will moan more.

Very true.


The hours CID officers put in are often very long, with very little reward.

At the end of the day, you cannot put the police down for 1 or 2 incidents, and how can people judge unless they have first hand experience ( which I do before anyone asks !)

To be fair to the police, I think they have an incredibly difficult job. I think it's more down to the system failing than the police themselves. Like many other service sectors (if that is the right term), it's become steeped in bureaucracy, to the point where you probably have to fill in a three-page form before you can even take a dump.

I imagine a majority of the police just want to get on with their job, and arrest the nefarious miscreants causing the suffering for the rest of us.

They are, I imagine, under immense pressure from the government to reach targets, so that our Prime-time minister can deliver impressive figures when in parliament, in an attempt to persuade us that crime is decreasing. I'm not aware of the exact figures, and am purely speculating, but I imagine that a lot of time is spent processing smaller "crimes", such as someone smoking a joint in the street, in order to reach these targets, and thus relieve pressure. That is in no way, however, meant to put down the police and the work they do - just me thinking (or typing) aloud trying to understand the bureaucracy they have to put up with.

There are, as mentioned by others, bad eggs in every industry - it's just unfortunate that the nature of the police force makes them even more prominent (although there shouldn't be any room for them at all).

(My views on the fact that a "civilised" society should need a police force at all are a different subject, but in our current state of society, I'm happy that they are doing their job)

Believe it or not but a lot of that paperwork is designed to both protect the innocent and ensure that the guilty do not escape justice due to a technicality.

Yup. The recent spate of arson attacks around Ecclesfield was made worse because of this. Everyone knew who was doing it - the person was bragging about it at school, but they needed the correct evidence (ie CCTV footage or being caught lighting the fire) befre they could make an arrest.

You can;t take a photo of the offenders because they sntch trhe camera out your hand, so just turn vigilante, If you see an arsonist, or mugger, give them a good kicking.

I am sure the capture of these criminals is not as high on the agenda as the income from speeding and traffic offences

Would'nt a description of these muggers be more useful? Instead of slating and slagging off the cops? They're job is hard enough without folk not actually helping and not telling folk what they look like. Then anyone who see's anything suspect, ring 999 and say there's a crime in progress, cops are there in seconds.

Would'nt a description of these muggers be more useful? Instead of slating and slagging off the cops? They're job is hard enough without folk not actually helping and not telling folk what they look like. Then anyone who see's anything suspect, ring 999 and say there's a crime in progress, cops are there in seconds.

I somehow doubt it will be the same muggers....look at the date of the OP :hihi:

Is available for spook duty if required, aint had a decent OB's duty for years lol x

Don't forget there is a cash machine inside the Co-Op on Sicey Avenue and they also do cash back - this way I can avoid the cash machines

Believe me, the Police do care and more often than not they know exactly or have a good idea who is involved in crime. It is not up to the Police to prosecute criminals any more. They have PACE (the Police and Criminal Evidence Act) that means that the CPS (Criminal Prosecution Service - a government body) will not prosecute unless they think they have a more than evens chance of getting a conviction.

One of the problems is that loads of scrotes have easy excuses, like girlfriends who will say that they were together all night. The result is that the Police often pursue crime where they know that they can actually get someone off the street.

The Police aren’t allowed to give people a clip, lock them up or anything much without reasonable cause. But just look out when you are around and you will often see the Police talking to people on the streets – these are more often than not the scrotes that they know are active and they are trying to stay on top of them. Remember their faces!!! More scrotes than coppers tho’!

I wonder if our resident Spook can add anything?



Ah the CPS


Criminals
Protection
Service

I am unsure why, but do you all know you're replying to a thread from 2003?

If the same mugger is still at it, then serious questions need to be asked of the local police!