Which players do you think will be sold due to the fall in gate receipts and how much will be needed /raised by the sale honest inquiry

Which players do you think will be sold due to the fall in gate receipts and how much will be needed /raised by the sale honest inquiry

No players are being sold just yet, so I aint' thinking about it. The guy from Inner Circle seems confident of investment by January. I'm not going to get excited yet though.

Which players do you think will be sold due to the fall in gate receipts and how much will be needed /raised by the sale honest inquiry

Very good question!

I've just read back in my Cardiff programme and the playing budget has gone up from 4.5 million to 6.4 so that's 1.9 million he has to find.

However revenue is up quite a bit as well which if maintained looks as if it might just match the extra playing budget, so we may get away with none.

thanks for the info

Very good question!

I've just read back in my Cardiff programme and the playing budget has gone up from 4.5 million to 6.4 so that's 1.9 million he has to find.

However revenue is up quite a bit as well which if maintained looks as if it might just match the extra playing budget, so we may get away with none.

The budget has gone up that much? Is that just in wages to the current players? That's a huge leap for no real income of new quality to the squad... if it was to pay for a goalscorer then fair enough.

I didn't think crowds mattered, or what money came in through ther gates, as all money coming in goes on players rather than debts anyway?

The budget has gone up that much? Is that just in wages to the current players? That's a huge leap for no real income of new quality to the squad... if it was to pay for a goalscorer then fair enough.

I didn't think crowds mattered, or what money came in through ther gates, as all money coming in goes on players rather than debts anyway?

Purse and Miller are additional wage expenses, no idea what they are though.

Increases in contract for Tudgay, Grant and Spurr.

Potter now a permanent contract.

A couple have left as well though!

Hopefully Purse will be sold but can't see it happening,wouldn't be too dissapointed if i never saw Buxton pull on the blue and white again either,the Danger is that if someone will come in with a decent offer for tudgers the board might accept,and as for Grant,i dont even want to contemplate losing him

no first team, maybe 1 or 2 on loan

trouble is the freebies arn't going to fetch a fee so of no value to the owls

In my opinion Tommy Miller and Francis Jeffers should go otherwise we can't afford to let anyone else leave as we would only have 21 players left and they include,
Rocky Lekaj, Richard O'Donnell, Luke Boden, Aaron Jameson and two of them are goalkeepers.

freebies wont fetch a fee but there wages will be gone i wouldnt mind seeing the back of Jeffers though even on a free transfer he would free up a considerable amount from the wage bill

jeffers will struggle to find a new club ie no form no match fitness injury prone who would take a chance giving him a contract to match what he is curently on ,big risk so he will be staying

we could always ship him down road 2 notts county, about Jeffers level and he would prob get a wage rise

im hopeful no one will go, if we can just keep the crowds enough to not sell till the end of the season then at least we wont have jeffers on the wage bill, then we can see whats what. like alty says the inner circle lot are hopeful of getting something sorted by january so we might be ok anyway, altough i don't expect anything on the investment front.
if we do have to get rid then miller and another fringe player. if we have to fetch a fee aswell as lose the wages off the budget then i'd say wood maybe seems he hasn't signed a new contract yet

I think Wednesday would almost defintley accept an offer of 5 Million or more for Marcus Tudgay, if he's got 10-12 goals by the end of Crimbo then i can see a Hull City or a Birmingham maybe coming in for him to be honest.

I think Wednesday would almost defintley accept an offer of 5 Million or more for Marcus Tudgay, if he's got 10-12 goals by the end of Crimbo then i can see a Hull City or a Birmingham maybe coming in for him to be honest.

and tbh honest that probably would be a very good offer as good a player he is. if its a very big chunk in 1 go so we can try and replace him then it wouldn't surprise me if it happened

Tudgay in all honesty doesn't look completely happy to me, neither does Richard Wood.
Both seem as though they are thinking about what could have been, and it might become reality for the Owls fan's come January.

I think Wednesday would almost defintley accept an offer of 5 Million or more for Marcus Tudgay, if he's got 10-12 goals by the end of Crimbo then i can see a Hull City or a Birmingham maybe coming in for him to be honest.

Wednesday would defo sell Tudders for £5m. Not a chance he's worth that price.

Tudgay in all honesty doesn't look completely happy to me, neither does Richard Wood.
Both seem as though they are thinking about what could have been, and it might become reality for the Owls fan's come January.

I think that's a bit harsh. Tudgay has been playing well and scoring. Woody hasn't been too bad either, but has had to put up with Purse, Buxton and Spurr next to him.

Wednesday would defo sell Tudders for £5m. Not a chance he's worth that price.

In this day and age when clubs are panicking in the Premiership for goals, club's will pay those sort of prices. maybe 5 million is a little steep but 3 or 4 million with the contract whats still left is very plausable.

I think that's a bit harsh. Tudgay has been playing well and scoring. Woody hasn't been too bad either, but has had to put up with Purse, Buxton and Spurr next to him.

Your not with me pal, im on about not happy as in he's doing his bit, but the rest of the team are not.

No players are being sold just yet, so I aint' thinking about it. The guy from Inner Circle seems confident of investment by January. I'm not going to get excited yet though.

Why is it always january or july etc etc ?
If Strafford was that confident he would not be on the radio ranting for more fans to attend or players will have to be sold.
Remember Alty it is the inner circle :confused::huh: you are speaking of not the magic circle.

remember alty it is the inner circle :confused::huh: You are speaking of not the magic circle.

magic roundabout more like :d

Why is it always january or july etc etc ?
If Strafford was that confident he would not be on the radio ranting for more fans to attend or players will have to be sold.
Remember Alty it is the inner circle :confused::huh: you are speaking of not the magic circle.


we've been selling players since i first started going so another couple won't make any difference....just like united...if when we sold a player they divid some of the cash up to the fans i'd be happy...but the clubs don't give a damn about us....just take our cash week in week out....that's if we pay that is......off to salou friday...cant wait

we've been selling players since i first started going so another couple won't make any difference....just like united...if when we sold a player they divid some of the cash up to the fans i'd be happy...but the clubs don't give a damn about us....just take our cash week in week out....that's if we pay that is......off to salou friday...cant wait


Yes but some on here believe it's just the Blades.
Just got back from malaga and it's been red hot.

Yes but some on here believe it's just the Blades.
Just got back from malaga and it's been red hot.



we've both always sold our best players...good night at dogs,molly ran fourth....but we had a good turn out....got blitzed...

Why is it always january or july etc etc ?
If Strafford was that confident he would not be on the radio ranting for more fans to attend or players will have to be sold.
Remember Alty it is the inner circle :confused::huh: you are speaking of not the magic circle.

There is no date for investment. But I think Inner Circle are suggesting to Investors that January is a good time to get investment in by, therefore players can be bought, to push for promotion. Otherwise they'll have to start next summer and push for the Premiership next season. A return on investment will be quicker by investment in January (all be it promotion would not be guaranteed).

There is no date for investment. But I think Inner Circle are suggesting to Investors that January is a good time to get investment in by, therefore players can be bought, to push for promotion. Otherwise they'll have to start next summer and push for the Premiership next season. A return on investment will be quicker by investment in January (all be it promotion would not be guaranteed).

Some big ifs in that lot.
Do you really believe it?

Some big ifs in that lot.
Do you really believe it?

I'm not relying on investment pal. We're pretty sound to push on each year now, investment would just make things happen more quickly. There's no pressure from the Co-op bank regarding the debt. A year ago, we were heading only one way.

Wednesday have today revealed that they have been operating at a loss for the last financial year.
I thought a main proviso with the Co-Op bank was to run a tight ship.
OOOOeeeerrrr!!! ;)

We are doomed without money its so obvious things are not well at Hillsborough, with the desperate rally call's Strafford keep's coming out with.

Wednesday have today revealed that they have been operating at a loss for the last financial year.
I thought a main proviso with the Co-Op bank was to run a tight ship.
OOOOeeeerrrr!!! ;)

I'm not relying on investment pal. We're pretty sound to push on each year now, investment would just make things happen more quickly. There's no pressure from the Co-op bank regarding the debt. A year ago, we were heading only one way.

We are doomed without money its so obvious things are not well at Hillsborough, with the desperate rally call's Strafford keep's coming out with.

Rather conflicting opinions here.

Wednesday have today revealed that they have been operating at a loss for the last financial year.
I thought a main proviso with the Co-Op bank was to run a tight ship.
OOOOeeeerrrr!!! ;)

i bet strafford is kicking himself now letting laws sign purse and miller then. if we were running at a loss then it was a bigger gamble than i thought budgeting for 25k home attendances. if this investment doesn't happen by january then there surely will be sales then:(

Rather conflicting opinions here.

It is dissappointing that we've made a loss, but it is not surprising. Some points:

We've only made a profit previously due to selling players. We've decided to keep our best players to actually try to go somewhere for once.
The accounts end May 09 - We were still in a mess then and crowds plummetted. It'll be interesting to see the accounts since then.
The accounts were never going to be amazing, as we've had no inward investment, but general higher income through the club, should see better acounts next time out...hopefully


No need to panic.

i bet strafford is kicking himself now letting laws sign purse and miller then. if we were running at a loss then it was a bigger gamble than i thought budgeting for 25k home attendances. if this investment doesn't happen by january then there surely will be sales then:(

Look at it this way, previously we kept selling better players. If we'd kept Brunt, Bougherra, Whelan etc we could have been and probably would have been in the Premiership by now. Selling better players, means we couldn't compete and we'd be closer to relegation and relegation would mean even worse accounts.
Also, the extra TV money has come in since these accounts and will have gone towards the extra wages paid out.

We've only made a profit previously due to selling players. We've decided to keep our best players to actually try to go somewhere for once.

But that's just the thing with the current crop of playing staff we will be lucky to finish in the top half.
That's why we need money so we can add to what we have already got, then we would have a realistic chance of doing something instead of hoping we do summat.

Look at it this way, previously we kept selling better players. If we'd kept Brunt, Bougherra, Whelan etc we could have been and probably would have been in the Premiership by now. Selling better players, means we couldn't compete and we'd be closer to relegation and relegation would mean even worse accounts.
Also, the extra TV money has come in since these accounts and will have gone towards the extra wages paid out.

i'm not too concerned yet, just interested how things pan out in the transfer window. the way we are playing though we are looking like relegation more than anything else though

i'm not too concerned yet, just interested how things pan out in the transfer window. the way we are playing though we are looking like relegation more than anything else though

This a big game on Saturday, anything less than a win will definatley get fan's booing after the final whistle.
And Coventry will come here to win aswell, they have been on sky 2 or 3 times already and they look a dangerous outfit with Clinton Morrison and co.

On the radio this morning that Laws was on the shortlist for the Notts county job.

On the radio this morning that Laws was on the shortlist for the Notts county job.

interesting that 1. i can't see laws wanting to drop 2 leagues but maybe the money would sway him, his wife will make sure he does the right thing im sure :hihi:

But that's just the thing with the current crop of playing staff we will be lucky to finish in the top half.
That's why we need money so we can add to what we have already got, then we would have a realistic chance of doing something instead of hoping we do summat.

I believe we'll easily finish in the top half. Wednesdayites panic too much after a defeat. We do need money no doubt which is what Inner Circle are for, but if we'd have sold Grant, Tudgay etc we'd be real relegation candidates.

I believe we'll easily finish in the top half. Wednesdayites panic too much after a defeat. We do need money no doubt which is what Inner Circle are for, but if we'd have sold Grant, Tudgay etc we'd be real relegation candidates.

However good people think Grant and Tudders are thats two players out of a squad of say 25.
We need more than two stand out players to do something, mark my word Alty if Wednesday don't pull there socks up we will be playing league 1 football next season.
I feel a relegation battle coming on in all honesty, for all the pretty fooball we have been playing we have been leaking goal's right left and centre.
And the goals are starting to dry up aswell.

However good people think Grant and Tudders are thats two players out of a squad of say 25.
We need more than two stand out players to do something, mark my word Alty if Wednesday don't pull there socks up we will be playing league 1 football next season.
I feel a relegation battle coming on in all honesty, for all the pretty fooball we have been playing we have been leaking goal's right left and centre.
And the goals are starting to dry up aswell.

Relegation - not a chance. Our midfield and strikeforce is pretty decent for this league. I can't see Purse playing this weekend and with a defence of either Wood/Hinds, Wood/Beevers, we're pretty solid. I'd really go for Beevers and Hinds, but Laws won't drop Wood because he's not been too bad.

It is dissappointing that we've made a loss, but it is not surprising. Some points:

We've only made a profit previously due to selling players. We've decided to keep our best players to actually try to go somewhere for once.
The accounts end May 09 - We were still in a mess then and crowds plummetted. It'll be interesting to see the accounts since then.
The accounts were never going to be amazing, as we've had no inward investment, but general higher income through the club, should see better acounts next time out...hopefully


No need to panic.

It said the crowds had slightly increased.

It said the crowds had slightly increased.

Yes slightly, but only due to offers on, therefore gate receipts were down. Though the offers were on as crowds had fallen to 14k just before Strafford came in. The club had to do something to try to gain an uplift.

Yes slightly, but only due to offers on, therefore gate receipts were down. Though the offers were on as crowds had fallen to 14k just before Strafford came in. The club had to do something to try to gain an uplift.

I think you will find the offers started a long time before strafford, you got the leagues biggest crowd of the season against norwich with your £10 offers. On this years books strafford was only chairman for 4 months, he became chairman on 6th january 2009.

I think you will find the offers started a long time before strafford, you got the leagues biggest crowd of the season against norwich with your £10 offers. On this years books strafford was only chairman for 4 months, he became chairman on 6th january 2009.

i don't believe that. the only offer i think allen ever did was kids for a quid, i don't rememeber him doing the £10 adult tickets

i don't believe that. the only offer i think allen ever did was kids for a quid, i don't rememeber him doing the £10 adult ticketshe did, i think the 1st time allen tried it was in a match against wimbledon,kids £5, & the semi final with blackburn was also a tenner

It is dissappointing that we've made a loss, but it is not surprising. Some points:

We've only made a profit previously due to selling players. We've decided to keep our best players to actually try to go somewhere for once.
The accounts end May 09 - We were still in a mess then and crowds plummetted. It'll be interesting to see the accounts since then.
The accounts were never going to be amazing, as we've had no inward investment, but general higher income through the club, should see better acounts next time out...hopefully


No need to panic.

Whos going to invest in a club that just operated on a £3 million loss

TIME TO PANIC

http://www.thestar.co.uk/sportheadlines/Breaking-Sheffield-Wednesday39s-3m-loss.5729656.jp

Whatever happened in the last 2 years don't really matter, the last 11,12 years have been a build up of things which have made us a laughing stock.
I asked a lad about 13 on holiday (he had a Villa shirt on) if he thought Sheffield Wednesday were a good side and he hadn't even heard of us lmao.

i don't believe that. the only offer i think allen ever did was kids for a quid, i don't rememeber him doing the £10 adult tickets

Well for a start Allen had been gone a long time before strafford came.
The last game of the 2007-2008 season wednesday had the biggest attendance of the league against norwich. £10 a ticket fact. I thought you followed your club.

Whatever happened in the last 2 years don't really matter, the last 11,12 years have been a build up of things which have made us a laughing stock.
I asked a lad about 13 on holiday (he had a Villa shirt on) if he thought Sheffield Wednesday were a good side and he hadn't even heard of us lmao.

Thats about the sum of it all now.

Wednesday have today revealed that they have been operating at a loss for the last financial year.
I thought a main proviso with the Co-Op bank was to run a tight ship.
OOOOeeeerrrr!!! ;)

Oh dear, that doesn't sound promising to me!!!

I think you will find the offers started a long time before strafford, you got the leagues biggest crowd of the season against norwich with your £10 offers. On this years books strafford was only chairman for 4 months, he became chairman on 6th january 2009.

That game against Norwich was the last game of the season, we had to win to stay up. The offers for kids, free tickets for season ticket holders, cheaper tickets for certain matches came into force when Strafford was on board, trying to up our rubbish attendances.

The bold bit shows it's not the current boards fault really and I wouldn't expect a profit as we hadn't sold anyone. He can't turn it round in that short time, so it'll be clearer when we get the next accounts - especially if we have investment by then.

Well for a start Allen had been gone a long time before strafford came.
The last game of the 2007-2008 season wednesday had the biggest attendance of the league against norwich. £10 a ticket fact. I thought you followed your club.

i do follow them, sorry my memory let me down. i can never remember when who came in and out. if he did then fair enough, just don't remember it

That game against Norwich was the last game of the season, we had to win to stay up. The offers for kids, free tickets for season ticket holders, cheaper tickets for certain matches came into force when Strafford was on board, trying to up our rubbish attendances.

The bold bit shows it's not the current boards fault really and I wouldn't expect a profit as we hadn't sold anyone. He can't turn it round in that short time, so it'll be clearer when we get the next accounts - especially if we have investment by then.

Yep next years account will tell us more, it does prove that wednesday can't manage without selling though. Something strafford has already said.
United seem to be the same aswell.

He can't turn it round in that short time, so it'll be clearer when we get the next accounts - especially if we have investment by then.

What else can he do though, he can't reduce prices as this has been proven to reduce income and we don't look strong enough to challenge for promotion so what alternative is there to selling players!

Were in a lose lose situation if you ask me, the only real options are Major investment or administration.
What a bloody shame aswell cause i love Wednesday and will always go never mind how much i get the mardys on.

id like to think administration is looming if this inner circle malarky or whatever it is dunt come off, saying that i wunt mind a season in fizzy pop 1, theres a couple of grounds there that i havnt been to, to watch the owls:D

What else can he do though, he can't reduce prices as this has been proven to reduce income and we don't look strong enough to challenge for promotion so what alternative is there to selling players!

I think this is why Strafford is asking for the 'fans' to support us. If we back the club in numbers then we don't have to sell and can bring in a few players.

Admin ain't going to happen.

I think this is why Strafford is asking for the 'fans' to support us. If we back the club in numbers then we don't have to sell and can bring in a few players.

Fan's have backed them in numbers for the last 10-12 years, people have had enough of the regime simple as really.
It's time Wednesday paid us (the fan's) all back never mind the other way round.

I think this is why Strafford is asking for the 'fans' to support us. If we back the club in numbers then we don't have to sell and can bring in a few players.

It's not working though alty, look at the owls who rant on here but have not rallied to the call of their club.
People like Corker will spend their last penny to follow their club but there just aren't enough like him.

Admin ain't going to happen.never say never!

Admin ain't going to happen.

Well what is going to happen then?
The crowds will get even lower soon, fan's have had enough of being a nearly club, and being skint.

Fan's have backed them in numbers for the last 10-12 years, people have had enough of the regime simple as really.
It's time Wednesday paid us (the fan's) all back never mind the other way round.

Strafford hasn't been here for the last 10 years! He's open and honest to us unlike the last bunch, who constantly fed the fans BS, yet the fans aren't backing us when we could actually move forward. We backed the club in numbers backed then, but still sold players.

Admin ain't going to happen.

A team £25m in debt and losing £3m a year. How long can it go on?

Well what is going to happen then?
The crowds will get even lower soon, fan's have had enough of being a nearly club, and being skint.

Thats the thing wrong with the stupid fans we have. Their money goes towards the playing squad - we could push forward, but they're not turning up.

Sitting at home, moaning and moaning, is just going to leave us where we are (unless we get investment).

Man City went through times just as bad as us, I know all my mates are City fans and they backed their club in numbers and got out of the rot. Yet a lot of Wednesdayites just moan and stayaway.

Fan's have backed them in numbers for the last 10-12 years, people have had enough of the regime simple as really.
It's time Wednesday paid us (the fan's) all back never mind the other way round.couldnt have put it better corks, i know countless who were die hards & they'd simply put up with way too much garbage from the club as a whole, those former die hards are unlikely to come back under the current circumstances, why should they pay hard earned cash to watch mediocre football, if we were challenging for at least the playoffs you may get a few re-attending but not as they are at the moment, mid table is the best the owls can hope for

A team £25m in debt and losing £3m a year. How long can it go on?

But we could just sell Tudgay for that, hence no admin.

Admin is really the last straw for all business'. We are not in that bad a position to go into it. We could even sell Hillsborough before it got to that.

Strafford hasn't been here for the last 10 years! He's open and honest to us unlike the last bunch, who constantly fed the fans BS, yet the fans aren't backing us when we could actually move forward. We backed the club in numbers backed then, but still sold players.

Strafford aint got no collateral m8, why should people think things are looking up with someone who isnt even putting a penny into the club?
Like ive said before for all Allens failings at least he lent the club a few bob.
What's Strafford going to do he's had a couple of investors interested, but where are they now?
We need cold hard cash and quick, otherwise Strafford might have to re'do his business plan for a spell in League 1.

Thats the thing wrong with the stupid fans we have.

You'll be calling them cretins next.

Strafford hasn't been here for the last 10 years! He's open and honest to us unlike the last bunch, who constantly fed the fans BS, yet the fans aren't backing us when we could actually move forward. We backed the club in numbers backed then, but still sold players.

yep, agree he is far more open than the last regime and it's a shame we can't have the numbers the previous regime were getting as strafford deserves them more than allen ever did but with all thats gone on the fans will need something major to happen for them to come back in the numbers he needs. like alex said there just isn't the numbers of loyal fans to come just for a few reduced tickets and the background things that are happening.

But we could just sell Tudgay for that, hence no admin.

Admin is really the last straw for all business'. We are not in that bad a position to go into it. We could even sell Hillsborough before it got to that.

Sell top gaolscorer, sell stadium, I thought £23m was going to doing it up for the world cup.

Strafford aint got no collateral m8, why should people think things are looking up with someone who isnt even putting a penny into the club?
Like ive said before for all Allens failings at least he lent the club a few bob.
What's Strafford going to do he's had a couple of investors interested, but where are they now?
We need cold hard cash and quick, otherwise Strafford might have to re'do his business plan for a spell in League 1.


That's the key word right there. How much did he take out? Ask yourself that.

Strafford has a business plan in place. Who else has come forward to sort us out? Er no one.

Is Strafford trying to find investment? Yes

The fans need to back the club, end of.

Sell top gaolscorer, sell stadium, I thought £23m was going to doing it up for the world cup.

I said that as a worst case scenario.

The stadium updgrade has been said numerous times. Government funding pays for the first part, the inreased revenue from the new facilities will pay for the rest. Some stupid fans have moaned and said money for the stadium should be spent on the playing squad, yet there is no money for the playing squad, funding for the community spaces, creates the new money.

That's the key word right there. How much did he take out? Ask yourself that.

Strafford has a business plan in place. Who else has come forward to sort us out? Er no one.

Is Strafford trying to find investment? Yes

The fans need to back the club, end of.

Why is it end of? the fan's are voting with there feet.
Strafford need's a rethink cause he's failing.

I said that as a worst case scenario.

The stadium updgrade has been said numerous times. Government funding pays for the first part, the inreased revenue from the new facilities will pay for the rest. Some stupid fans have moaned and said money for the stadium should be spent on the playing squad, yet there is no money for the playing squad, funding for the community spaces, creates the new money.

Yep I can see the government giving funding to a club who may not own their own ground in a few months. NOT,

You'll be calling them cretins next.

:hihi: It's getting to a point, where I might agree with that former Chairman on summat.

Yep I can see the government giving funding to a club who may not own their own ground in a few months. NOT,

where have wednesday said they might be seling the ground:huh: as alty said it's a worst case senario and we're far from that

Why is it end of? the fan's are voting with there feet.
Strafford need's a rethink cause he's failing.

Voting for what exactly?

Do you expect Strafford or Parker to magic money from thin air?

These guys are trying to get investment while implmenting a very sound business plan.

Fans staying away is just going to keep us stagnant, unless investment does come. I'm praying for investment, because I feel a lot of the fanbase are...well I better not say.

That's the key word right there. How much did he take out? Ask yourself that.

Strafford has a business plan in place. Who else has come forward to sort us out? Er no one.

Is Strafford trying to find investment? Yes

The fans need to back the club, end of.we all know they need to back the club in numbers, but theres way too many of them had enough of spending hard earned cash on a mediocre club playing mediocre football, were in the middle of a supposed recession. wheres the incentive for these fans to back the club? theyve spent countless thousands over the past few years for very little if any reward apart from a day out in cardiff, to many, enough is enough. theyre gonna take a hell of a lot of convincing to come back & investment is only part of it, cos then the teams got to be doing pretty well on a regular basis & challenging at the very least for playoffs

where have wednesday said they might be seling the ground:huh: as alty said it's a worst case senario and we're far from that

Do keep up david lad, I WAS REPLYING TO ALTY'S SUGGESTION.

we all know they need to back the club in numbers, but theres way too many of them had enough of spending hard earned cash on a mediocre club playing mediocre football, were in the middle of a supposed recession. wheres the incentive for these fans to back the club? theyve spent countless thousands over the past few years for very little if any reward apart from a day out in cardiff, to many, enough is enough. theyre gonna take a hell of a lot of convincing to come back & investment is only part of it, cos then the teams got to be doing pretty well on a regular basis & challenging at the very least for playoffs

The team on the whole have played very exciting football. Fans have over-exagerrated our team based on the result at Derby.
If people turn up, then we can invest and push for promotion. If people don't, then we can't....pretty obvious which option fans should be taking

Yep I can see the government giving funding to a club who may not own their own ground in a few months. NOT,

We own our stadium. We're nowhere near to having to sell the stadium. We're going to have a great stadium when it's done up.

We own our stadium.

For now, even you have suggested tonight that cannot be gauranteed for the future. WORSE CASE SCENARIO.

The team on the whole have played very exciting football. Fans have over-exagerrated our team based on the result at Derby.


They have and people should try and get down if they can afford it!

Do keep up david lad, I WAS REPLYING TO ALTY'S SUGGESTION.

i know you was but i don't think the government are going to look on this forum and see altys comment and decide we might be selling the ground so no grant. it was a worst case but now it's been mentioned you think it's really going to happen.
i'm still behind strafford, he is doing what he can. we knew he had no money and in a way i'm glad he isn't lending any money or we could have the same situation as we have with allen if it all goes wrong

For now, even you have suggested tonight that cannot be gauranteed for the future. WORSE CASE SCENARIO.

But we're not going to sell the stadium. The planning documents are submitted already for the updgrade.

Maybe I should get on the phone and tell Strafford he can't updgrade now because of my worst case scenario post :hihi:

i know you was but i don't think the government are going to look on this forum and see altys comment and decide we might be selling the ground so no grant. it was a worst case but now it's been mentioned you think it's really going to happen.
i'm still behind strafford, he is doing what he can. we knew he had no money and in a way i'm glad he isn't lending any money or we could have the same situation as we have with allen if it all goes wrong

For crying out loud david post some sense.
Don't you think the people who dish grants out look into the companies they give it to.

But we're not going to sell the stadium. The planning documents are submitted already for the updgrade.

Maybe I should get on the phone and tell Strafford he can't updgrade now because of my worst case scenario post :hihi:

So your post was nonsense and will never happen?
You brought the possibility of selling the ground into it not me.

The team on the whole have played very exciting football. Fans have over-exagerrated our team based on the result at Derby.
If people turn up, then we can invest and push for promotion. If people don't, then we can't....pretty obvious which option fans should be takingyou try telling the stay away fans theyve been playing exciting football regularly & see if they turn up after theyve looked at the owls current league placing. i cant see them being convinced. its all if & buts & relying on the fans yet again. theyre not gonna come back as things stand so the club has no option but to find investment 1st for the team in the hope theyre playing for the playoffs at the very least, for a few thousand to be convinced to spend there hard earned cash on the owls again

you try telling the stay away fans theyve been playing exciting football regularly & see if they turn up after theyve looked at the owls current league placing. i cant see them being convinced. its all if & buts & relying on the fans yet again. theyre not gonna come back as things stand so the club has no option but to find investment 1st for the team in the hope theyre playing for the playoffs at the very least, for a few thousand to be convinced to spend there hard earned cash on the owls again

Well if they don't turn up, we can't invest in the squad. It is as simple as that. Money doesn't grow on trees

I think the first person to be sold could well be your manager.

So your post was nonsense and will never happen?
You brought the possibility of selling the ground into it not me.

Worst case scenario. Not a chance at all that Hillsborough will be sold. We're not that bad off and there's an agreement with the Co-op over the debt. They won't want us in admin, as they'll get hardly anything back.
The Hillsborough upgrade actually will see us have an uplift in revenue anyhow.

Worst case scenario. Not a chance at all that Hillsborough will be sold. We're not that bad off and there's an agreement with the Co-op over the debt. They won't want us in admin, as they'll get hardly anything back.
The Hillsborough upgrade actually will see us have an uplift in revenue anyhow.

Ok.................

For crying out loud david post some sense.
Don't you think the people who dish grants out look into the companies they give it to.

i'm sure they do but they will look into all aspects, not just the bank balance

i'm sure they do but they will look into all aspects, not just the bank balance

Yep your right.

Well if they don't turn up, we can't invest in the squad. It is as simple as that. Money doesn't grow on treesthis is where quite a few have said its the reason straffords gonna have to re-think his busines plan cos as youve just said money dunt grow on trees so where does he expect the fans to get all there money, to back a mediocre team? simple, get the investment 1st to spend on a decent team challenging regular at least for the playoffs, its simple

this is where quite a few have said its the reason straffords gonna have to re-think his busines plan cos as youve just said money dunt grow on trees so where does he expect the fans to get all there money, to back a mediocre team? simple, get the investment 1st to spend on a decent team challenging regular at least for the playoffs, its simple

There is no other way.

There's money from fans or investment

Strafford is trying to do both.

Did any other wednesday fan apart from alty on here think straffords 25k per match was a realistic target?

There is no other way.

There's money from fans or investment

Strafford is trying to do both.yeah & the fans are taking a stance & doing it there way by staying away until strafford can sort the investment & get players in challenging for playoffs, you cant blame the fans after what theyve put up with over the past few years, same as they cant blame strafford. he can scream & shout till he's blue in the face theyre not gonna comeback on a regular basis until the current team challenges for the playoffs which i doubt very much, or he gets significant investment, for the team to challenge for playoffs, so he has 2 options on getting them back, A get the current team challenging for POs or B get the investment for us to challenge for the POs

Did any other wednesday fan apart from alty on here think straffords 25k per match was a realistic target?for the bigger matches like newcastle,local derbies etc yeah, for the rest a very big no, unless theyre challenging for the playoffs

yeah & the fans are taking a stance & doing it there way by staying away until strafford can sort the investment & get players in challenging for playoffs, you cant blame the fans after what theyve put up with over the past few years, same as they cant blame strafford. he can scream & shout till he's blue in the face theyre not gonna comeback on a regular basis until the current team challenges for the playoffs which i doubt very much, or he gets significant investment, for the team to challenge for playoffs, so he has 2 options on getting them back, A get the current team challenging for POs or B get the investment for us to challenge for the POs

I prefer Strafford being pro-active and trying to encourage fans back. Investment might not even happen, so we can't just sit and wait around.

Did any other wednesday fan apart from alty on here think straffords 25k per match was a realistic target?

I thought 25k might be a bit high. I actually was a sad get and worked out what our average could be. I estimated a lot of games around 21-22k and then included high gates against Newcastle, United, Donny, Derby etc and the average came to about 24.5k. but bloody sky have picked the Newcastle game, so that'll effect it.

I prefer Strafford being pro-active and trying to encourage fans back. Investment might not even happen, so we can't just sit and wait around.im all for strafford being proactive & trying to win the fans over, but im afraid the fans are gonna carry on sitting & waiting around until were challenging for PO's or investment comes in for the team to challenge for the PO's. theres no way theyre gonna waste anymore hard earned money on a mediocre club as it stands

im all for strafford being proactive & trying to win the fans over, but im afraid the fans are gonna carry on sitting & waiting around until were challenging for PO's or investment comes in for the team to challenge for the PO's. theres no way theyre gonna waste anymore hard earned money on a mediocre club as it stands

They're called glory-supporters then?

Nah, I understand what you're saying, but it doesn't help the team these fans supposedly love. We need numbers to move forward and we certainly haven't been mediocre, bar the Derby County match.

im all for strafford being proactive & trying to win the fans over, but im afraid the fans are gonna carry on sitting & waiting around until were challenging for PO's or investment comes in for the team to challenge for the PO's. theres no way theyre gonna waste anymore hard earned money on a mediocre club as it stands

You two really are going in circles, why don't you just beg to differ.

They're called glory-supporters then?

Nah, I understand what you're saying, but it doesn't help the team these fans supposedly love. We need numbers to move forward and we certainly haven't been mediocre, bar the Derby County match.the league table doesnt lie! i call the bottom half, mediocre

They're called glory-supporters then?

Nah, I understand what you're saying, but it doesn't help the team these fans supposedly love. We need numbers to move forward and we certainly haven't been mediocre, bar the Derby County match.at the moment i would call them ex die hards, however in the future if wednesday do challenge for the po's on a regular basis the former die hards may return as either glory fans or die hards, it all depends on the existing team doing very well, or a future invested team doing very well

at the moment i would call them ex die hards, however in the future if wednesday do challenge for the po's on a regular basis the former die hards may return as either glory fans or die hards, it all depends on the existing team doing very well, or a future invested team doing very well

Well they aren't very die hard at the moment.
Die hards are still there. Glory hunters are waiting in the wings.

Well they aren't very die hard at the moment.
Die hards are still there. Glory hunters are waiting in the wings.thats why i called them EX die hards, the future depends on the owls challenging consistently for them to return as glory fans or return as future diehards again home & away

Like Al say's where just going round in circles with Alty, his point of view is completely different to most Owls fan's what come on here and beyond.
Alty i respect you as your a very good debater but you really do need to wake up my friend.

Like Al say's where just going round in circles with Alty, his point of view is completely different to most Owls fan's what come on here and beyond.
Alty i respect you as your a very good debater but you really do need to wake up my friend.

That's exactly what I think of some of the fanbase. Staying away achieves nothing. Turning up means we can progress. But as has been said, we're going in circles.

That's exactly what I think of some of the fanbase. Staying away achieves nothing. Turning up means we can progress. But as has been said, we're going in circles.the solution is firmly with the owls board & team now, the fans have had enough

the solution is firmly with the owls board & team now, the fans have had enough

is it though? what choices have they got?
dramaticaly reduce prices- can't happen i guess
get investment- they are trying but it's not going to be easy
challenge for playoffs- not looking good with squad we have and no money to improve.

the only way we can get money in is by fans turning up but it's like a vicious circle at the moment. i understand why fans are reluctant to return in big numbers but i also understand strafford wanting more to turn up, i think scott put the figures up for what we would make on ticket sales and it would go a long way to helping bring new players in. i will be there whether we are in the prem or league 2 but unfortunately theres alot of fans that don't think that way

is it though? what choices have they got?
dramaticaly reduce prices- can't happen i guess
get investment- they are trying but it's not going to be easy
challenge for playoffs- not looking good with squad we have and no money to improve.

the only way we can get money in is by fans turning up but it's like a vicious circle at the moment. i understand why fans are reluctant to return in big numbers but i also understand strafford wanting more to turn up, i think scott put the figures up for what we would make on ticket sales and it would go a long way to helping bring new players in. i will be there whether we are in the prem or league 2 but unfortunately theres alot of fans that don't think that waythats exactly why the solutions in the clubs hands, cos the fans arnt coming back so the club have to do something to encourage them to come back, at the moment there isnt enough happening for the fans to come back

thats exactly why the solutions in the clubs hands, cos the fans arnt coming back so the club have to do something to encourage them to come back, at the moment there isnt enough happening for the fans to come back

i agree there probably hasn't been enough happening to entice alot of the fans back but i can't see what else the club can do. if they do ticket offers it upsets the season ticket holders and they can only get investment when it happens. a no win situation for the club and fans unfortuntely

i agree there probably hasn't been enough happening to entice alot of the fans back but i can't see what else the club can do. if they do ticket offers it upsets the season ticket holders and they can only get investment when it happens. a no win situation for the club and fans unfortuntelythats why i said until investment happens they wont come back

the solution is firmly with the owls board & team now, the fans have had enough

No it isn't. We can't do anything without the support of the fans.

No it isn't. We can't do anything without the support of the fans.well theyre gonna have to cos its clear the fans arnt gonna come back in the numbers the board want them isnt it

No it isn't. We can't do anything without the support of the fans.the fans clearly wont give there regular support under the current conditions so its down to the existing players to start performing which i dont think theyre good enough so that leaves it upto the board to somehow attract them back which they cant without investment, so until the investment comes its as i said, upto the board to come up with a solution

the fans clearly wont give there regular support under the current conditions so its down to the existing players to start performing which i dont think theyre good enough so that leaves it upto the board to somehow attract them back which they cant without investment, so until the investment comes its as i said, upto the board to come up with a solution

The players have been performing on the whole, bar Derby county match. Purse and Buxton are an exception, they've been poor and I don't think Purse will be playing on Saturday. You look at our losses:

Newcastle - played well and were unlucky to lose.
Middlesbrough - played well, but silly mistakes in defence
United - been through that enough :D

You gotta remember recently we've just hammered Cardiff, but everyone jumps on the Derby game.

No it isn't. We can't do anything without the support of the fans.

Lesser/smaller clubs have achieved things in recent years on smaller crowds or similar wage bills to yours - Burnley, Stoke and Hull in the last few seasons, Wigan before them.

It's upto the players to do their bit - not just the board or the fans - at the end of the day, it doesn't matter if you're getting 35k through the doors if you're underperforming.

When the players pull their fingers out and deliver on the pitch consistently, then if the fans still stay away the board can have a pop... but currently, what's supposed to be an improved squad from last season, with what some of you say is a significantly larger wage bill than last time, don't seem to have the same determination and fighting spirit as last season.

Why pay £20+ to go something you expect not to be impressed by, in harsh economic times for many of us?

I find it almost a breath of fresh air how some Wednesdayites are starting to say how they feel more.
What is happening at Hillsborough, the fans apparently cannot do nothing apart from spend money on an average team, the board can't do nowt, and it's not a good idea to go into administration, what's the next step then?

Lesser/smaller clubs have achieved things in recent years on smaller crowds or similar wage bills to yours - Burnley, Stoke and Hull in the last few seasons, Wigan before them.

It's upto the players to do their bit - not just the board or the fans - at the end of the day, it doesn't matter if you're getting 35k through the doors if you're underperforming.

When the players pull their fingers out and deliver on the pitch consistently, then if the fans still stay away the board can have a pop... but currently, what's supposed to be an improved squad from last season, with what some of you say is a significantly larger wage bill than last time, don't seem to have the same determination and fighting spirit as last season.

Why pay £20+ to go something you expect not to be impressed by, in harsh economic times for many of us?

I think theirs were higher than ours. Our wage bill is about £6m this year. Burnley were on £9m I believe last year. Stoke could also have been on more considering they had players like Diao and Fuller. Wigan were bankrolled to the Premiership so surely they'll have spent more than us on wages. Hull I accept they'll have been similar to ours currently.

I think theirs were higher than ours. Our wage bill is about £6m this year. Burnley were on £9m I believe last year. Stoke could also have been on more considering they had players like Diao and Fuller. Wigan were bankrolled to the Premiership so surely they'll have spent more than us on wages. Hull I accept they'll have been similar to ours currently.

Alty can i just say after all is said and done ur a good old poster, u could be a prime minister one day :P, good on you fella fair does for your morales :thumbsup:Wednesday till we die!

I find it almost a breath of fresh air how some Wednesdayites are starting to say how they feel more.
What is happening at Hillsborough, the fans apparently cannot do nothing apart from spend money on an average team, the board can't do nowt, and it's not a good idea to go into administration, what's the next step then?

They should have done this years ago. There's nowt to moan about now, ok we have no money, but that isn't down to Strafford.
Everyone can keep saying, I ain't coming untill we get investment etc etc. If the fans turn up, we'll have more money to spend on the squad. If not we don't. Simple as. Wednesdayites don't seem to be bothered, most are happy to just wait and hope investment does happen.

Alty can i just say after all is said and done ur a good old poster, u could be a prime minister one day :P, good on you fella fair does for your morales :thumbsup:Wednesday till we die!

Ditto, but it ain't half tough being a Wednesdayite :D

We own our stadium. We're nowhere near to having to sell the stadium. We're going to have a great stadium when it's done up.

Even the most blinkered of Owls admit the stadia is old and in need of major upgrade. The stadia is almost worthless, the land its on however is, now which supermarket tried to buy your half owned training ground? You talk of the ground being done up!! by whom and with what? simple economics.

I acknowledge and even feel for the loyal supporters who turn up, through the hard times. Again the Corkers of this parish can see the bigger picture, growing debt, no takeover and a chairman who it seems has failed in improving the financial status for any future interested investor.

Alty it also appears your a stand alone Strafford supporter at the momment.
His role was to steady the ship, to attract investment and bring back the crowds. How would you rate his success?

I do hope administration is avoided, i also hope the club turns things around. Sheffield needs two clubs.

But Strafford is not the man for the job, he has failed in all his aims, cocked up his forcasts, and bugeted for gates of 25,000!! those losses are only going to grow this season.

Over the next few days more details will no doubt be released. One thing for sure there shall only be one loser...the supporters.

Even the most blinkered of Owls admit the stadia is old and in need of major upgrade. The stadia is almost worthless, the land its on however is, now which supermarket tried to buy your half owned training ground? You talk of the ground being done up!! by whom and with what? simple economics.

I acknowledge and even feel for the loyal supporters who turn up, through the hard times. Again the Corkers of this parish can see the bigger picture, growing debt, no takeover and a chairman who it seems has failed in improving the financial status for any future interested investor.

Alty it also appears your a stand alone Strafford supporter at the momment.
His role was to steady the ship, to attract investment and bring back the crowds. How would you rate his success?

I do hope administration is avoided, i also hope the club turns things around. Sheffield needs two clubs.

But Strafford is not the man for the job, he has failed in all his aims, cocked up his forcasts, and bugeted for gates of 25,000!! those losses are only going to grow this season.

Over the next few days more details will no doubt be released. One thing for sure there shall only be one loser...the supporters.

:rolleyes: I'm not an out and out Strafford supporter. I don't know him personally, but everything he's said and his business plan make sense. He's been honest from day one and he's the only person to come forward and do something with the cub. He's failed in nothing. He can't force fans back, he's trying to encourage them, but last 10 years seems to have caught up with the fans.

The debt is manageable, new revenues are being garnered and new revenues will come through with the stadium upgrade and investment is being sought. It'll be more interesting to see the next accounts, as these mean nothing, we were awful last year.

There's not much more Strafford can do without the fans actually backing the club in numbers. Now you can say, fine then he should step aside, but theres no one else to take the reigns. His business plan is sound and in the long term it'll workout in my opinion. Investment will just make things happen sooner.

The players have been performing on the whole, bar Derby county match. Purse and Buxton are an exception, they've been poor and I don't think Purse will be playing on Saturday. You look at our losses:

Newcastle - played well and were unlucky to lose.
Middlesbrough - played well, but silly mistakes in defence
United - been through that enough :D

You gotta remember recently we've just hammered Cardiff, but everyone jumps on the Derby game.

Every team in the championship is capable of beating anyone or have a couple of dodgy results . Look at West Brom ,two defeats against Palace and Barnsley recently.

ok ,it was a very poor result at Derby ,but its the only game this season where we have been poor and well and truely beat .

I agree with you Alty , lets not get carried away after one very poor performance.

Under our present circumstances we are only ever going to be a mid table side at the best as we are unable to compete financially with a lot of teams in this division.

The next two games (both at home ), against Cov and Preston are both winable and this time next week things may look a lot healthier .

The off field problems are always going to have a bearing on the strength of the playing staff ,but Laws is doing the best he can with what is available to him .

Now ,only time will tell if Strafford is going to pull the rug from under Brians feet in the transfer window in January and sell Tudgay or Grant . But if he do`s i fear we may also lose the best manager we have had since Big Ron.

I think come January we will find out how ambitious Strafford is .

:rolleyes: I'm not an out and out Strafford supporter. I don't know him personally, but everything he's said and his business plan make sense. He's been honest from day one and he's the only person to come forward and do something with the cub. He's failed in nothing. He can't force fans back, he's trying to encourage them, but last 10 years seems to have caught up with the fans.

The debt is manageable, new revenues are being garnered and new revenues will come through with the stadium upgrade and investment is being sought. It'll be more interesting to see the next accounts, as these mean nothing, we were awful last year.

There's not much more Strafford can do without the fans actually backing the club in numbers. Now you can say, fine then he should step aside, but theres no one else to take the reigns. His business plan is sound and in the long term it'll workout in my opinion. Investment will just make things happen sooner.

And what about if we get relegated?

And what about if we get relegated?

I'll move abroad if that happens and never return :D

Alty you fight your corner well, and as a supporter accept your view there is no allternative.

Mr Benn your comments remain unrespected, you are part of the Weds problem. Your club needs you, why not try making a match THIS WEEK.

Alty you fight your corner well, and as a supporter accept your view there is no allternative.

Mr Benn your comments remain unrespected, you are part of the Weds problem. Your club needs you, why not try making a match THIS WEEK.

I'm saying nothing

Like your self I don't want Wednesday to go into admin but something must be done and done soon before you lose more real fans which you cannot afford to do
Either stafford brings money into the club quickly or if he really cares for the club he must stand aside and let someone who can

Oh dear, things aren't as rosey in the Wednesday garden as some might have us believe.

Comments like, moving forward, light at the end of the tunnel, on the up etc might have been a bit premature according to the latest report in the Star;

http://www.thestar.co.uk/sportheadlines/Sheffield-Wednesday39s-3m-loss.5729656.jp

A £1.1m loss in turnover, a increase increase in crowds yet gate receipts are down £900k year on year, fewer Cup matches brings a £700k downturn and operating expenses up by £1.7m (Straffords pub lunches and jollies to San Fran no doubt).

Oh dear oh dear, all this hard work and Wednesday are still making huge losses, no sellable assest, a bank agreement extended until 31 Dec 2010, the Co op won't like figures like this will they???!??!

Any comments from Mr B about the Cretin (maybe he wasn't doing such a bad job), any number crunching from Titty (why is the average crowd up buy revenue on ticket sales down - too many freebies and cheap tickets - cheaper than HALIFAX).......i think fans like Corker and David are the only ones who will get you out of a mess like this, the ones who attend matches, the ones who speak the truth, the ones who see it for what it is......come on Wednesday fans, if this latest damning report isn't enough to drag you down to Hillsborough and get your supporting your team finacically and vocally then maybe it is a lost cause and the true fans will miss out.

The players have been performing on the whole, bar Derby county match. Purse and Buxton are an exception, they've been poor and I don't think Purse will be playing on Saturday. You look at our losses:

Newcastle - played well and were unlucky to lose.
Middlesbrough - played well, but silly mistakes in defence
United - been through that enough :D

You gotta remember recently we've just hammered Cardiff, but everyone jumps on the Derby game.im not talking about the derby game,your missing the point big time, the fans will not come back whilst the owls are a mediocre side no matter how well theyre playing, the league table doesnt lie:rolleyes:theyve spent more than enough money supporting the club in decent numbers over the years for very little or no reward hence the drop in gates. its clear theyre not coming back until theyre at least a team challenging for the playoffs or investment comes in for the manager to play a team capable of challenging for the playoffs

WEDNESDAY FANS.
YOUR TEAM NEEDS YOU.
GET TO THE COVENTRY GAME.
SHOW THEM YOU CARE.
IF YOU CANT GO SEND A DONATION.

If you don't respond to your clubs desperate pleas for support and help, you have no place calling yourself a fan or commenting on here.

WEDNESDAY FANS.
YOUR TEAM NEEDS YOU.
GET TO THE COVENTRY GAME.
SHOW THEM YOU CARE.
IF YOU CANT GO SEND A DONATION.

If you don't respond to your clubs desperate pleas for support and help, you have no place calling yourself a fan or commenting on here.

in the words of the imortal MJ:

THIS IS IT!!!!

im not talking about the derby game,your missing the point big time, the fans will not come back whilst the owls are a mediocre side no matter how well theyre playing, the league table doesnt lie:rolleyes:

So what you have just said is the fans will only come back when they are high up in the league.
Those fans don't deserve a team to support.
Maybe a co-op on hillsborough is what they prefer.

So what you have just said is the fans will only come back when they are high up in the league.
Those fans don't deserve a team to support.
Maybe a co-op on hillsborough is what they prefer.basically yeah, if theyre capable of challenging for the playoffs, but with the current side that seems highly unlikely, youre right a lot of stayaway fans dont deserve a team to support so if strafford cant convince them to comeback as it stands then its either, sell 1 or 2 players in the january sales or hope investment comes in before so they can add to the squad & hopefully challenge for the playoffs & hope fans return in bigger numbers. i know the clubs put numerous offers on to tempt the fans back but it doesnt appear to be paying off,so obviously the stayaways dont want to watch a team thats only gonna finish mid table at the most with the present squad

basically yeah, if theyre capable of challenging for the playoffs, but with the current side that seems highly unlikely, youre right a lot of stayaway fans dont deserve a team to support so if strafford cant convince them to comeback as it stands then its either, sell 1 or 2 players in the january sales or hope investment comes in before so they can add to the squad & hopefully challenge for the playoffs & hope fans return in bigger numbers. i know the clubs put numerous offers on to tempt the fans back but it doesnt appear to be paying off,so obviously the stayaways dont want to watch a team thats only gonna finish mid table at the most with the present squad

Well they have had the concequences of their actions clearly explained to them. So I expect no complaints when it is too late.

O dear not looking good as from May 2009 - THESE AREE NET WORTH FIGURES

Sheffield Wednesday PLC -
Risk Rating Very High
(credit Rating is suspended This Company appears financially valueless)
May 2009 - £7,943,000

Sheffield Wedensday Football Club Ltd. -
Risk Rating Very High
(credit Rating is suspended This Company appears financially valueless)
May 2009 - £25,221,000

Sheffield Wednesday FC Community Programe -
Good Risk - Ok to offer your best terms
May 2009 - + £82,000

Well they have had the concequences of their actions clearly explained to them. So I expect no complaints when it is too late.true, so if that isnt bringing the fans back, its down to the board as to what happens next if the new investment doesnt come in beforehand. strafford budgeting for 25k gates is/was a massive mistake, me personally in the current climate would have budgeted for 21k & anything above that being a very welcome bonus.

And SUFC's not looking to good either - these are NET WORTH FIGURES

Sheffield United PLC
Moderate Risk - Ok to offer limited terms
May 2009 - + £10,689,000

SHEFFIELD UNITED CONFERENCE AND EVENTS LIMITED
Good Risk - Ok to offer your best terms
May 2009 - + £2,237,000

SHEFFIELD UNITED (ENTERPRISES) LIMITED
Good Risk - Ok to offer your best terms
May 2009 - + £1,136,000

SHEFFIELD UNITED (HOTEL) LIMITED
Normal Risk - Ok to offer your standard trading terms
Jan 2008 - + £2,003,000

It certainly doesn't look good for wednesday at the minute- if no investement happens in the next 12 month and they continue to loose money at the rate of £250,000 a month they are currently they will be in SERIOUS trouble.

maybe administration would be the better option, & start from scratch,

maybe administration would be the better option, & start from scratch,

I honestly think this is the best option for Wednesday. I think Strafford has beeen good for the club in some ways but without getting the fans back in and getting 25,000 for every match then the club will continue to lose money. Going from £2m profit to £3m loss in one season is a huge change and while there may have been a lot more cash spent on the squad there is no dramatic change and so it hasn't been offset with an increase in crowd figures.

I think at the moment investment seems like the only option but if you were looking to invest (To commit money in order to gain a financial return) would you want to put money into a business that will only start to break even if you can get an average of 25,000 or if you can keep developing players to sell?

Rather than investment the team needs a sugar daddy, rather like United have. The problem with this is that someone willing to make this sort of financial commitment is usually a fan and there has been a search for this type of person to come forward for some time with no results.

Going into administration would clear the decks for someone to come in and actually start operating at a profit and getting a return for their investment. The club could get rid of the huge weight around its neck that dragging it down.

Selling players is not the answer, either (I wish McCabe would realize this!). If Wednesday lost Grant and Tudgay they would really be starting to look like a team that could get relegated and, while it is financially a quick fix, the money raised would probably go straight to offsetting the debt and would not last very long leaving the club in the same position after a short time, but with fewer assets.

As a United fan I like having Wednesday in the same league and I would hate to see them back in League One. I think both Sheffield teams should be in the Premier League so that the whole world can enjoy the derbys and witness the great rivalry that comes with the Steel City derby. I therefore hope that better times are around the corner for Wednesday.

So if we increase the gates we reduce the debt, it sounds sense but when we had Premiership gates and SKY funding we simply threw the money away. SWFC has for many years been a financially incompetent organisation with no forward business plan, the club has been, and still is, run on a wing and a prayer.

Our only readily realisable assets are a few players that would attract decent bids. It's no use taking the ostrich approach to the club's finances, we are a skint, badly run, below average Championship club, of course we will have to sell players, that's what clubs like SWFC have to do in order to balance the books.

I'm under no illusions, actually surviving in this division is the short term aim, what we need is an Eric Taylor or an Eric England, these guys knew that you can't spend what you haven't got.

Oh dear, things aren't as rosey in the Wednesday garden as some might have us believe.

Comments like, moving forward, light at the end of the tunnel, on the up etc might have been a bit premature according to the latest report in the Star;

http://www.thestar.co.uk/sportheadlines/Sheffield-Wednesday39s-3m-loss.5729656.jp

A £1.1m loss in turnover, a increase increase in crowds yet gate receipts are down £900k year on year, fewer Cup matches brings a £700k downturn and operating expenses up by £1.7m (Straffords pub lunches and jollies to San Fran no doubt).

Oh dear oh dear, all this hard work and Wednesday are still making huge losses, no sellable assest, a bank agreement extended until 31 Dec 2010, the Co op won't like figures like this will they???!??!

Any comments from Mr B about the Cretin (maybe he wasn't doing such a bad job), any number crunching from Titty (why is the average crowd up buy revenue on ticket sales down - too many freebies and cheap tickets - cheaper than HALIFAX).......i think fans like Corker and David are the only ones who will get you out of a mess like this, the ones who attend matches, the ones who speak the truth, the ones who see it for what it is......come on Wednesday fans, if this latest damning report isn't enough to drag you down to Hillsborough and get your supporting your team finacically and vocally then maybe it is a lost cause and the true fans will miss out.

The accounts ended May 09, I doubt anyone expected a huge profit. Strafford hadn't been at the club long..he can't change things overnight.

im not talking about the derby game,your missing the point big time, the fans will not come back whilst the owls are a mediocre side no matter how well theyre playing, the league table doesnt lie:rolleyes:theyve spent more than enough money supporting the club in decent numbers over the years for very little or no reward hence the drop in gates. its clear theyre not coming back until theyre at least a team challenging for the playoffs or investment comes in for the manager to play a team capable of challenging for the playoffs

Not the current chairman's fault though that, is it? and he's copping for all the flack. We can't compete, if fans don't turn up, there is NO other way until investment comes. If the team win the next two home games, then we'll be right back in contention, but I bet you fans still won't turn up. I've enjoyed every home game this season...even the Middlesborough game was exciting.

true, so if that isnt bringing the fans back, its down to the board as to what happens next if the new investment doesnt come in beforehand. strafford budgeting for 25k gates is/was a massive mistake, me personally in the current climate would have budgeted for 21k & anything above that being a very welcome bonus.

To be fair though, if he had budgeted for 21k gates, Tudgay et al wouldn't still be at the club...that's why fans need to turn up.

Not the current chairman's fault though that, is it? and he's copping for all the flack. We can't compete, if fans don't turn up, there is NO other way until investment comes. If the team win the next two home games, then we'll be right back in contention, but I bet you fans still won't turn up. I've enjoyed every home game this season...even the Middlesborough game was exciting.

I don't think it is his fault at the moment but it is becoming clear that his new business model that he came in with is not going to work unless you get the fans in and at the moment that isn't looking likely. If you want investment you have to convince people that they will make money and at the moment that doesn't look likely either.

Things could change fairly quicky, though, depending how well the team does. In this league you could be in the top four within 4 or 5 games if you put in some good performances.

I don't think it is his fault at the moment but it is becoming clear that his new business model that he came in with is not going to work unless you get the fans in and at the moment that isn't looking likely. If you want investment you have to convince people that they will make money and at the moment that doesn't look likely either.

Things could change fairly quicky, though, depending how well the team does. In this league you could be in the top four within 4 or 5 games if you put in some good performances.

I agree with you to some degree. But I think the highlighted part is another reason why the fans need to turn up, it shows investors that we have a strong fanbase to build from. Strafford can't magic money from thin air. There's two options - income from the fanbase or investment. Strafford's looking at both...but the fans aren't responding. I know the club are talking to investors and I just hope they can pull something out of the bag, because only circa 18k fans are backing the club at the moment.

Not the current chairman's fault though that, is it? and he's copping for all the flack. We can't compete, if fans don't turn up, there is NO other way until investment comes. If the team win the next two home games, then we'll be right back in contention, but I bet you fans still won't turn up. I've enjoyed every home game this season...even the Middlesborough game was exciting.im not blaming strafford or the current board but at last you see my point, if the fans dont turn up, which they wont in the numbers that strafford wants, then there is no other way unless the investment comes in, then it looks if it doesnt maybe we'll have to sell in january to balance the books a little unfortunately.lets hope he budgeted for lower crowds:roll:

To be fair though, if he had budgeted for 21k gates, Tudgay et al wouldn't still be at the club...that's why fans need to turn up.i think his budget of 25k gates is a bit of a bluff to try & get the fans back, surely no new chairman could grossly over budget to that extent, i think a budget of around 22k is what he's really budgeted for, which weve achieved hence why tudders et al are here

I certainly don't think strafford could honstly think that the owls could EVER get 25k this season - even united with a far better recent history are only getting that!!

If he does think that then the man is dilusional.

i think his budget of 25k gates is a bit of a bluff to try & get the fans back, surely no new chairman could grossly over budget to that extent, i think a budget of around 22k is what he's really budgeted for, which weve achieved hence why tudders et al are here

I hope you're right.

I certainly don't think strafford could honstly think that the owls could EVER get 25k this season - even united with a far better recent history are only getting that!!

If he does think that then the man is dilusional.

But we are MASSIVE remember.

The accounts ended May 09, I doubt anyone expected a huge profit. Strafford hadn't been at the club long..he can't change things overnight.

How do you expect those figures to improve from May 09-May10 then?

If so how? gate money-No , investment-Doubtful , sales-Possible , Strafford know how-Impossible.

The ground re-vamp, that will cost if it goes ahead, but why gamble on the ground if in a financial mess, and suffering with disappointing crowds?

As we agreed there is no alternative to Strafford at present. But his aims,forcasts and results have failed.

Investment,crowds and dont forget that old "feel good factor".

How do you expect those figures to improve from May 09-May10 then?

If so how? gate money-No , investment-Doubtful , sales-Possible , Strafford know how-Impossible.

The ground re-vamp, that will cost if it goes ahead, but why gamble on the ground if in a financial mess, and suffering with disappointing crowds?

As we agreed there is no alternative to Strafford at present. But his aims,forcasts and results have failed.

Investment,crowds and dont forget that old "feel good factor".

I don't expect it to improve drastically, but I think we'll see 'better' accounts, I'm not neccessarily meaning profit.

No one can say if investment is doubtful or not...the club are speaking to investors.

The ground development is not a gamble at all. Government funding pays for the community facilities, revenue that comes with the new facilities (matchdays and non-matchdays) pays for the other parts of the stadium, therefore more revenue in the long-term.

Quote from Strafford:

Lee Strafford
15 years decay turned round in 3 years is the plan. I know its hard but we Wednesdayites will be the main beneficiaries from this process - there will be lots of tough spells in the 3 years as that is life, but we already are, and so long as we stick...... together we will keep progressing. Keep the faith and get yer tickets bought for Saturday and Tuesday so we can maintain the effort of rebuilding our club!!!

Ok- so are the fans ment to read into that 3 year comment that he is now aiming to get investment in 3 years? Or what?

Its ok giving a date, but unless you make it clear what the goal is at the end of that date whats the point?

Quote from Strafford:

Lee Strafford
15 years decay turned round in 3 years is the plan. I know its hard but we Wednesdayites will be the main beneficiaries from this process - there will be lots of tough spells in the 3 years as that is life, but we already are, and so long as we stick...... together we will keep progressing. Keep the faith and get yer tickets bought for Saturday and Tuesday so we can maintain the effort of rebuilding our club!!!id say 5years minimum unless they go into administration or some sugar daddy has too much money than sense comes along

Quote from Strafford:

Lee Strafford
15 years decay turned round in 3 years is the plan. I know its hard but we Wednesdayites will be the main beneficiaries from this process - there will be lots of tough spells in the 3 years as that is life, but we already are, and so long as we stick...... together we will keep progressing. Keep the faith and get yer tickets bought for Saturday and Tuesday so we can maintain the effort of rebuilding our club!!!

Did he tell you Owls this before you bought your season tickets? he has said many things. A statement on RADIO Sheffield yesterday from the reporter, it said investment was expected nearer xmas, But as the reporter also said Owls fans will have to wait and see, then make their minds up !!
Bringing a little doubt in to the expectations.

Did he tell you Owls this before you bought your season tickets? he has said many things. A statement on RADIO Sheffield yesterday from the reporter, it said investment was expected nearer xmas, But as the reporter also said Owls fans will have to wait and see, then make their minds up !!
Bringing a little doubt in to the expectations.

Radio Sheffield (United) BS a lot. Strafford and even Inner Circle said they would like investment by January, but they didn't say they expected it.

thats like saying i would like a pay-rise in january- bit im not expecting it?

But we are MASSIVE remember.

please note alty when the house bricks start flying it wasn't a Blade who said that:o

thats like saying i would like a pay-rise in january- bit im not expecting it?

Not really, as they've said it as the Transfer window opens then, so are just pointing to the fact that they're pushing for investment by then, but by no means is that a deadline or a certainty.

Not really, as they've said it as the Transfer window opens then, so are just pointing to the fact that they're pushing for investment by then, but by no means is that a deadline or a certainty.

Then why comment at all? all the fans know that they are looking for investment.

Im not having a go, im just concerned that they are making a rod for there own back that some fans will use against them.

Radio Sheffield (United) BS a lot. Strafford and even Inner Circle said they would like investment by January, but they didn't say they expected it.

You say"Radio Sheffield (United) BS a lot"

We say"Radio Sheffield (Wednesday) BS a lot"

I guess the truth lies somewhere in the middle

"Radio Sheffield BS a lot"

Then why comment at all? all the fans know that they are looking for investment.

Im not having a go, im just concerned that they are making a rod for there own back that some fans will use against them.thats why iv said many times on here that strafford should keep his gob shut until something actually comes off

So what you have just said is the fans will only come back when they are high up in the league.
Those fans don't deserve a team to support.


From a Sheffield United fan, oh the irony.

The club who had an average gate of 13,700 less than a decade ago when they were in a similar position to where we are now...

You say"Radio Sheffield (United) BS a lot"

We say"Radio Sheffield (Wednesday) BS a lot"

I guess the truth lies somewhere in the middle

"Radio Sheffield BS a lot"

Fair middle ground :hihi:

From a Sheffield United fan, oh the irony.

The club who had an average gate of 13,700 less than a decade ago when they were in a similar position to where we are now...wasnt warnocks first game in charge against port vale at home in front of around 8.500?:huh:

From a Sheffield United fan, oh the irony.

The club who had an average gate of 13,700 less than a decade ago when they were in a similar position to where we are now...

The irony is that I am answering non attending wednesday posters who seem to have all the answers to their problems without going to the games.

Suggestions from wednesday fans so far.

Sell best players.
Sell the ground.
Go into admin.

Two people on here are saying what your chairman says, Alty and me[a Blade], get down there on Saturday and pay to get in.

Not really, as they've said it as the Transfer window opens then, so are just pointing to the fact that they're pushing for investment by then, but by no means is that a deadline or a certainty.in straffords last Q&A session that bloke from inner circle said they hoped to have investment in by xmas so lets hope summat comes of it

wasnt warnocks first game in charge against port vale at home in front of around 8.500?:huh:

Maybe but now we're averaging 26610
you're averaging 23362

Maybe but now we're averaging 26610
you're averaging 23362that 23k gate average is quite good to say strafford wanted 25k averages, lets see what happens in januarys transfer window

The fact is that all supporters become disheartened during a clubs low points.Anyone thinking other wise is kidding themselves.The current average attendence at swfc is given the clubs plight not bad at all.

Given the diferance in both clubs positions at present wednesdays atendence aint too bad.

Given the diferance in both clubs positions at present wednesdays atendence aint too bad.

Its only that high because you havn't played that many matches at home yet and you had a massive crowd first game- without that 30k your average would be under 20k easily.

Given the diferance in both clubs positions at present wednesdays atendence aint too bad.

4 points? Wednesday could quite easily be above United in two games.

4 points? Wednesday could quite easily be above United in two games.

to be honest ,we have dropped some silly points already this season . IE ,Barnsley at home

to be honest ,we have dropped some silly points already this season . IE ,Barnsley at home

I think every team in this division thinks that.

I think every team in this division thinks that.

swings and roundabouts isn't it- every team will pick up some unexpected points along the way too- its the team who wins most of the 'bankers' too that usually does really well.

Its only that high because you havn't played that many matches at home yet and you had a massive crowd first game- without that 30k your average would be under 20k easily.

No it wouldn't, take the Barnsley game out of the equation and we're still averaging over 21.5k.

It's not as if the gate for Barnsley was especially massive anyway. We always get anything from 25-28k against them, so an extra couple of thousand with it being the first game of the season hardly makes it a freak attendance.

For the financial, league, stability, teetering and confidence position that Wednesday are currently in, I reckon the crowds are not too shabby at all.
Even with the reduced offers available, loads of people simply cannot afford to go to games. Some on here have even suggested that fans 'stop smoking', 'stop drinking', 'cancel sky' and 'stop eating' to be able to afford games.
How many people would love to go to the Lane every other week, but can't afford to?
1 thousand, 3 thousand, 5 thousand?
If people could afford to go, then they'd go, if they can't they wont.
The less well off don't want horsewhipping and told to go to the games.
They can't afford it, end of.

23,000 is a great average for the championship, no doubt about it. But its not a great average for the Owls!! not when the chairman admits he has budgeted for 25,000 full paying fans to balance the books.

Every match the debt gets bigger, the "offers" reduce the turnover even more.And at present crowds are falling further!!

Yes the clubs can look to bumper gates v Newcastle and the Blades. but a few more 19,000 gates and those gates and its generated income will soon disolve.

Basic accounting tells a story. IF players were to be sold in January, it appears they would be sold to balance the books, and to please the bank. Not on squad improvement.

Its effects on the quality of squad, as well as player and supporters moral,could see a further drop in turnover.