what does everyone think about the MOBO awards (music of black origin).

Not as good as the MOWO awards.

what does everyone think about the MOBO awards (music of black origin).

I've always thought it was a bit strange, but then most music worth listening to is of black origin to some degree, so there is probably not much point having a Music Of White Origin awards!

what does everyone think about the MOBO awards (music of black origin).

I don't really see the problem, you could have a MOWO awards I suppose and have country and western and folk music.

I don't really see the problem, you could have a MOWO awards I suppose and have country and western and folk music.

Would that not be deemed racist though as it is excluding black people?

Why is anyone being excluded?

Would that not be deemed racist though as it is excluding black people?

Ive never felt excluded from enjoying music of white origin, in fact the Beatles White Album is one of my favourites :)

Ive never felt excluded from enjoying music of white origin, in fact the Beatles White Album is one of my favourites :)

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White people have won MOBO awards, so no the MOBO awards are not racist.

White people have won MOBO awards, so no the MOBO awards are not racist.

Have they? Who?

Have they? Who?

Isn't the lass in N-Dubz (this year's winners) white?

Have they? Who?

I think that Justin Timberlake, Tim Westwood, Eminem, Jamiroquoi, Mick Hucknal, Christina Aguilera and Amy Winehouse have all won awards, I'm sure there's more. Loads of white people have also been nominated.

Would that not be deemed racist though as it is excluding black people?

The MOBOs do not exclude anyone, you dunce.

you mean the mobo awards that are often won by white people?

Luke - you are an idiot. Most likely another bogus account created by one of the racists that come on here to stir up trouble. Go away you cretin.

you got one serious chip on your shoulder!!

I'm guessing that the OP is saying that white people wouldn't be able to have a 'Music of white origin' (MOWO) awards ceremony, as the name alone wouldn't be deemed as acceptable. But it could be constrewed as trolling too?

I'm guessing that the OP is saying that white people wouldn't be able to have a 'Music of white origin' (MOWO) awards ceremony, as the name alone wouldn't be deemed as acceptable. But it could be constrewed as trolling too?

Still, imagine the entries in the Danish hurdy-gurdy category. Sweet.

i never expressed my views on the issue, how am i racist ASSWIPE!!

Because its obvious you joined specifically to post this topic and stir up racial tension - and that in all likelihood you are just another account created by the racist trolls on here.

Still, imagine the entries in the Danish hurdy-gurdy category. Sweet.

If there's a Gregorian Chant section, I'd watch.

In answer to your question, NO of course they are not racist, and anyone who thinks they are is a moron.

The way i see it and sorry if anyone has already said this but its not racist. All its doing is celebrating a particular genre of music. You could have a rock awards or pop awards and they would celebrate rock or pop. The MOBOs celebrate black music but not at the exclusion of white people.
Sorry if that dosent make much sense but ive had a long day and im tired :D

The way i see it and sorry if anyone has already said this but its not racist. All its doing is celebrating a particular genre of music. You could have a rock awards or pop awards and they would celebrate rock or pop. The MOBOs celebrate black music but not at the exclusion of white people.
Sorry if that dosent make much sense but ive had a long day and im tired :D

I totally agree with you! and i love the MOBO's! But would there ever be allowed to be a MOWO's celebrating white music but not at the exclusion of black people? I think not! Anyway, to me, music is music whether it's black, white or bloody purple, who cares as long as it's good stuff?

I've always thought it was a bit strange, but then most music worth listening to is of black origin to some degree, so there is probably not much point having a Music Of White Origin awards!

But everything that wins awards at the mobos is influenced just as much by 'white' music as it is 'black' music.

This has always kind of annoyed me, all the modern music that gets awards at this thing owes just as much to europrean musical traditions as it does to african and afro-american ones.

I honestly think the idea is a little racist. It completely belittles the contribution to modern popular music by white people, and reinforces the notion that black people somehow 'own' this type of music in some way. I don't like the idea at all really.

Perhaps it was neccesary years ago, but the fact is that today black people are not discriminated against in the music industry to any degree worth noting.

Just look at who the most famous people in the world are: Beyonce, Jay-Z, Kanye West (all of whose music contains plenty of european influences).

I mean it's not like they wouldn't win any awards without the mobos is it?

All in all I think it's outdated, and yes, racist, to an extent.


EDIT: PS. Also, why doesn't anyone play R n' B anymore? It's ridiculous, all R n' B means today is 'pop music sung by urban youths who try to look hard in their vidoes'?

What happened to the rythm and blues?

But everything that wins awards at the mobos is influenced just as much by 'white' music as it is 'black' music.

This has always kind of annoyed me, all the modern music that gets awards at this thing owes just as much to europrean musical traditions as it does to african and afro-american ones.

I honestly think the idea is a little racist. It completely belittles the contribution to modern popular music by white people, and reinforces the notion that black people somehow 'own' this type of music in some way. I don't like the idea at all really.

Perhaps it was neccesary years ago, but the fact is that today black people are not discriminated against in the music industry to any degree worth noting.

Just look at who the most famous people in the world are: Beyonce, Jay-Z, Kanye West (all of whose music contains plenty of european influences).

I mean it's not like they wouldn't win any awards without the mobos is it?

All in all I think it's outdated, and yes, racist, to an extent.


EDIT: PS. Also, why doesn't anyone play R n' B anymore? It's ridiculous, all R n' B means today is 'pop music sung by urban youths who try to look hard in their vidoes'?

What happened to the rythm and blues?

It's called rhythm and bass. Totally different style of music.

It's called rhythm and bass. Totally different style of music.

I had no idea, when did that happen?

I've never heard anyone call it that before!

In fact a quick google search of rhythm and bass has revealed sod all. At least I'm not crazy!

It's called rhythm and bass. Totally different style of music.

No it's not. You're thinking of 'drum and bass' maybe. R'n'B means an entirely different thing now from 1956.

The MOBOs do not exclude anyone, you dunce.

There's no need for personal abuse, I don't know anything about them so was just asking.

You berk.

Doesn't this happen a lot more in society? Even the National Black Police Association (NBPA) could be classed as racist but seen as politically correct and frowned upon to question from the outside

Doesn't this happen a lot more in society? Even the National Black Police Association (NBPA) could be classed as racist but seen as politically correct and frowned upon to question from the outside

But the black people do have a long history of subjugated by whites, which still goes on in some places. There is no such history - in this country, anyway - of white people being subjugated by blacks. Therefore, there is no need, and never was any need, for a specialist group to prevent the subjugation of whites from continuing; there may (or may not) still be a need for one to protect blacks.

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Doesn't this happen a lot more in society? Even the National Black Police Association (NBPA) could be classed as racist but seen as politically correct and frowned upon to question from the outside

So on that basis would you describe the following organisations as racist?

Brits Abroad, http://myweb.ecomplanet.com/LEPO6596/mycustompage0059.htm

British Expats, http://britishexpats.com/

Scottish Expats, http://www.scottishexpatsonline.co.uk/

Of course not, you'd never find the natives of the countries British ex pats live in complaining about organisations like these, they exist to offer support and affiliation to a minority group, that the indigenous population might not be completely familiar with.

it fix for a star best hip hop act chipmunk???? should of been eminem

No it's not. You're thinking of 'drum and bass' maybe. R'n'B means an entirely different thing now from 1956.

I know - now it means rhythm and bass, not rhythm and blues.

It's a totally different style to drum and bass and, although the establishment may not recognise the term 'rhythm and bass', the 'yoof' of today will tell you that R'N'B means exactly that nowadays.

It's a totally different style to drum and bass and, although the establishment may not recognise the term 'rhythm and bass', the 'yoof' of today will tell you that R'N'B means exactly that nowadays.

Are the 'yoof' of today not on the internet?

'cause googling Rhythm and Bass comes up with diddly squat.

Are the 'yoof' of today not on the internet?

'cause googling Rhythm and Bass comes up with diddly squat.

Well there are certainly compilation albums out there under the rhythm n bass heading:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Rhythm-Bass-Vol-Explicit/dp/B001O1GK5I/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1254483498&sr=8-5

So on that basis would you describe the following organisations as racist?

Brits Abroad, http://myweb.ecomplanet.com/LEPO6596/mycustompage0059.htm

British Expats, http://britishexpats.com/

Scottish Expats, http://www.scottishexpatsonline.co.uk/

Of course not, you'd never find the natives of the countries British ex pats live in complaining about organisations like these, they exist to offer support and affiliation to a minority group, that the indigenous population might not be completely familiar with.

I don't think people have any problem with awards for whatever culture decides to make music, films etc. I think that what some posters are getting at is whether or not calling something with the phrase 'White awards' would be deemed acceptable?

Just look at who the most famous people in the world are: Beyonce, Jay-Z, Kanye West

I'm not trying to be funny for effect here (not funny at all some might say) but I've honestly never heard of a "Kanye West". I'm assuming they're a singer, probably male(?). Can't be bothered to Google him/her I'm afraid.

If anyone had asked, I'd have guessed that Kanye West was somewhere in the Florida Keys!

Jay-Z I've heard of but couldn't name a single song (he?) has done. Beyonce I know more from the Austin Powers movie Goldmember.

I guess I'm now officially an old fart! :hihi:

I don't know about racist but they were definitely "flat". From the TV coverage it just seemed as the presenters were going through the motions, and not genuinely meaning what they were saying. I don't think the sound quality helps at this type of event. I thought Diversity came across very well though - probably because they didn't rely on the sound system solely to show their talent.

I know - now it means rhythm and bass, not rhythm and blues.

It's a totally different style to drum and bass and, although the establishment may not recognise the term 'rhythm and bass', the 'yoof' of today will tell you that R'N'B means exactly that nowadays.

Oi! I'm not that old! I might prefer a more guitar based sound, but .... ;)

Seriously, I'd never heard it called 'rhythm and bass'. It's a bloody silly description if you ask me though ......

But everything that wins awards at the mobos is influenced just as much by 'white' music as it is 'black' music.

This has always kind of annoyed me, all the modern music that gets awards at this thing owes just as much to europrean musical traditions as it does to african and afro-american ones.

I honestly think the idea is a little racist. It completely belittles the contribution to modern popular music by white people, and reinforces the notion that black people somehow 'own' this type of music in some way. I don't like the idea at all really.

Perhaps it was neccesary years ago, but the fact is that today black people are not discriminated against in the music industry to any degree worth noting.

Just look at who the most famous people in the world are: Beyonce, Jay-Z, Kanye West (all of whose music contains plenty of european influences).

I mean it's not like they wouldn't win any awards without the mobos is it?

All in all I think it's outdated, and yes, racist, to an extent.


EDIT: PS. Also, why doesn't anyone play R n' B anymore? It's ridiculous, all R n' B means today is 'pop music sung by urban youths who try to look hard in their vidoes'?

What happened to the rythm and blues?

good post, totally agree, all hell would break loose if there was a MOWO awards. racism etc.

I don't think people have any problem with awards for whatever culture decides to make music, films etc. I think that what some posters are getting at is whether or not calling something with the phrase 'White awards' would be deemed acceptable?

it would be wholey unacceptable and someone would have to make an apology!

good post, totally agree, all hell would break loose if there was a MOWO awards. racism etc.

They did, it was called the Brits! The only problem was, it was all rubbish and no white people wanted to own up to creating that music.

At least black musical origins are a lot more interesting, even if the modern stuff is crap! :hihi:

i disagree.

but the brits urely stands for british music so this should include black asian pink blue green whatever colour.

i disagree.

but the brits urely stands for british music so this should include black asian pink blue green whatever colour.

I wasn't being serious.

But I personally can't see a problem with the MOBO awards. It's about music of black ORIGIN - not "it's only a contest for black people".

As has been said, loads of white people have been nominated and won MOBO's.

If you say the MOBO's are discriminatory, then so are the Kerrang awards, Classical Brit awards, Country music awards etc.