Justice for Matt will make her Owlerton debut this Saturday evening at 20.55 in race number 7,she has been graded an A3 greyhound and will be running out of trap 3,she's in with some very experienced dogs but must have a chance.
we've had some very good media coverage and with the added good news that at last the greeks are getting their act together and justice may soon be done.
like to thank everyone who have shown us support with our purchase of molly,and i can assure you she'll be the best looked after greyhound in the country.

Aww that such a shame i'll be going tomorrow night! Hope she does well and she spreads the message about Matt.

Aww that such a shame i'll be going tomorrow night! Hope she does well and she spreads the message about Matt.



thanks for that...but never mind they'll be plenty of chances to cheer her on...

goodluck with molly on saturday EB owd chap:thumbsup:

goodluck with molly on saturday EB owd chap:thumbsup:


cheers mate...hope they'll be able to get us all in on saturday....at least she's running at a reasonable time...i mean she's not even two so we'll have her tucked up in bed for 9.30....good job it's not a school night she'd be in bed for 7.....

cheers mate...hope they'll be able to get us all in on saturday....at least she's running at a reasonable time...i mean she's not even two so we'll have her tucked up in bed for 9.30....good job it's not a school night she'd be in bed for 7.....if the kids had been on school holidays today i would have took them down to the trials, they both keep asking to go & have a gamble, can you gamble on races/trials during the day at owlerton, there always seems to be plenty of cars outside so i presume they have day racing aswel

if the kids had been on school holidays today i would have took them down to the trials, they both keep asking to go & have a gamble, can you gamble on races/trials during the day at owlerton, there always seems to be plenty of cars outside so i presume they have day racing aswel
They have Bags and yes you can gamble on it, i don't think you can bet on trials though to be honest.

if the kids had been on school holidays today i would have took them down to the trials, they both keep asking to go & have a gamble, can you gamble on races/trials during the day at owlerton, there always seems to be plenty of cars outside so i presume they have day racing aswel


yes the morning meetings are good...not too crowded...and the kids would love it...can't bet on the trials though...my mum and dad sometime spend a day at the greyhounds,free travel,free to get in,cheap beer and a lovely pork sandwich at bere's on the way down....
and the old guys that frequent the bar know everything about the form of the dogs running....it's educational just watching them...

yes the morning meetings are good...not too crowded...and the kids would love it...can't bet on the trials though...my mum and dad sometime spend a day at the greyhounds,free travel,free to get in,cheap beer and a lovely pork sandwich at bere's on the way down....
and the old guys that frequent the bar know everything about the form of the dogs running....it's educational just watching them...what time do the day meetings start & what days is it open

what time do the day meetings start & what days is it open


monday and thursday....doors open at 10.30am and the first race is at 11.11am and finishes about 2.30pm then the dogs trial after this but all the info can be found at www.owlertonstadium.com
hope that helps

monday and thursday....doors open at 10.30am and the first race is at 11.11am and finishes about 2.30pm then the dogs trial after this but all the info can be found at www.owlertonstadium.com
hope that helpscheers mate the information is very helpful:thumbsup:

I wont be cheering justice for matt on. I will be cheering on whoever I bet on.

i'll try & get down on saturday night owd lad & have a little gamble on molly:thumbsup:

Good luck Justice for Matt :thumbsup:

spend a day at the greyhounds,free travel,free to get in,cheap beer and a lovely pork sandwich at bere's on the way down....

I wouldn't say it was cheap last time i went it was 2.40 a pint i think.

I wont be cheering justice for matt on. I will be cheering on whoever I bet on.


should be a good open race.....but molly should be a good price....not really bothered if she wins or not....it will be a good night out...

Good luck Justice for Matt :thumbsup:



cheers mate......she's a SPECIALS one

I wouldn't say it was cheap last time i went it was 2.40 a pint i think.



only 1.50 at the day meetings.....more you sup the more you save...

should be a good open race.....but molly should be a good price....not really bothered if she wins or not....it will be a good night out...

Aye, well good luck to her as long as I don't place a bet on any one else. :)

You're right though, should be a good night out none the less.

Cant wait im going down be a nice night with all matts friends and family , and fingers crossed matt will be loookin down on molly to push her to her victory :) R.I.P MATT YOU WAS A TOP LAD and come on mollyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy .

Who is Matt and what happened?

Sorry if it's a sore subject, you don't have to answer.

Hope you have a good nite EB, I see gin ger has crawled out, lol

Who is Matt and what happened?

Sorry if it's a sore subject, you don't have to answer.

This should give you more info:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4391333.ece

Who is Matt and what happened?

Sorry if it's a sore subject, you don't have to answer.eyup mcspyda give eastbank a pm for more information, he's got some proper information regarding matts death unlike whats been written in certain tabloids, im sure eastbank would be happy to tell you the real story:thumbsup:

Well his "opinion" of what happened

eyup mcspyda give eastbank a pm for more information, he's got some proper information regarding matts death unlike whats been written in certain tabloids, im sure eastbank would be happy to tell you the real story:thumbsup:

Never heard the Times called a tabloid before.

Although it is printed in the Berliner style rather than broadsheet these days.

FACTS ! On mathews death R.I.P MATHEW.
POSTED BY MATHEWS MUM ON HIS CAMPAIGHN GROUP.

On July the 20th 2008 our son Matthew went off excitedly on holiday to the resort Laganas on the Greek island of Zante. He traveled with 4 friends and two of their parents. He had the warnings, you cant but help to give ringing in his ears. Keep safe, don't do anything stupid, use the sunscreen I`ve packed for you, don't drink too much and don't on any account hire a moped. We were worried because because it was his first holiday without us but never did we think he wouldn't come home to us.



In the early hours of the 21st of July the first night of his holiday Matthew died on the pavement in front of the cocktails and dreams club in Laganas. It was speculated upon that he had died through excessive alcohol intake, but this has been proved not to be the case.



A UK Coroners inquest held on the 27th of May 2009 found that Matthew had been unlawfully killed. In an unprovoked attack whilst he was sitting at the bar (having become separated from his friends) he was seized by the door staff and dragged outside and thrown down a steep flight of metal stairs as a result of which he sustained head injuries. Not content with this the bouncers then picked him up from the bottom of the stairs and dropped him onto the marble pavement by the side of the club, a bouncer at this time was also seen to punch him, Matthew died a short time later due to the head injuries he had sustained.



It was noted at the inquest that Matthew was not causing any trouble and though he had had a drink his blood alcohol level though raised was not a significant factor in his death. We can only speculate as to why the bouncers attacked him, maybe it was because he was alone and the thuggish bouncers just wanted an adrenaline rush.



Two Greek police officers stood by whilst our son lay dying they did nothing to help and were even intimidated by the bouncers into not taking statements from the witnesses there. An ambulance took over an hour to arrive, this ambulance is described as nothing more than a small van, no serious attempt was made to revive Matthew by the ambulance staff.



We have had little information from the Greek authorities, and it would seem they have not bothered to investigate our sons death in any way. They also retained Matthews heart until the end of November, this would have been a reasonable thing to do if it was to be tested and would have a bearing on how Matthew died, but it never got tested and we felt we hadn't buried our son whole.



We will continue in our quest to get justice for Matthew no matter what and how long it takes.

Sorry to hear that. It's terrible no matter what the exact truth is.

Sorry to hear that. It's terrible no matter what the exact truth is.

Cheers mate appretiated mathew was such a nice lad and the results from our petition on front page of sheffield star is great news the greek embassy are now opening a full investigation into matts death .

Well his "opinion" of what happened

We dont post untruthfull story about such a serious think eastbank will pm the facts not his own story im sure like the story i posted from matts group .? That is the facts and truth .... UNLAWFULL KILLING .

Cheers mate appretiated mathew was such a nice lad and the results from our petition on front page of sheffield star is great news the greek embassy are now opening a full investigation into matts death .

To be fair this is the same newspaper that reported that Sheffield Wednesday were interested in signing a player who's name had be made up on the Owlstalk web forums, so hardly the great bastion of news reporting. I'm more inclined to believe the Times, thank you very much.

Leave the fella alone man, never mind what your point of view, he's doing right in a lot of peoples eyes aswell.
Give him a break.......

Keep it civil please

To be fair this is the same newspaper that reported that Sheffield Wednesday were interested in signing a player who's name had be made up on the Owlstalk web forums, so hardly the great bastion of news reporting. I'm more inclined to believe the Times, thank you very much.

2 TOTALLY DIFFERENT STORYS KEEP TO OP GINGER:loopy:

Several posts have been removed due to the content. Any further swearing will be rewarded with a ban, and if the sniping and squabbling continues this will be closed.

So did she win!

Well his "opinion" of what happened

We dont post untruthfull story about such a serious think eastbank will pm the facts not his own story im sure like the story i posted from matts group .? That is the facts and truth .... UNLAWFULL KILLING .

The UK coroner has reviewed the FACTS of the case, and has decided that this lad's death was an unlawful killing.

That's good enough for me. I hope that the people responsible are brought to justice.

The UK coroner has reviewed the FACTS of the case, and has decided that this lad's death was an unlawful killing.

That's good enough for me. I hope that the people responsible are brought to justice.


I do too, he was one of my sons friends

I do too, he was one of my sons friends

Matt was a good friend of my sons to , matt is deeply missed , and my sons bedroom is full of memorial of matt its his way of dealing with it lets hope justice is broyght to the animal who caused the injuries to matt .

Matt was a good friend of my sons to , matt is deeply missed , and my sons bedroom is full of memorial of matt its his way of dealing with it lets hope justice is broyght to the animal who caused the injuries to matt .

I hope so, i agree he is much missed

only 1 day to go & molly will hopefully get her 1st win under her belt

Best of luck, I hope she does Matt proud

Good luck tonight Molly!

tonights the night goodluck EB & come on molly:thumbsup:

Cheers everyone for the good lucks , fingers crossed she willl do well but most of all we will enjoy watchin her, and even more we are keepin matts name alive !! :)

good luck lads, unfortunately im still too ill to make it tonight so i hope you have a great night & molly brings home the extra drinks for you.COME ON MOLLY!

I am at the track tonight and will keep my fingers crossed for Molly.

Never mind the money! Let's just hope the poor soul gets home safe, good luck Molly! Good news about the inquiry into Matts death though.

Several off topic posts, personal insults etc have been removed.

Any further personal insults will result in bans being issued.

Notice that things are getting a bit out of hand on this thread. I wonder, is it because Greyhound Racing is getting a bad press because of all the injuries and fatalities? I'm sure that everyone is shocked at the way Matt was treated and would be behind an enquiry into what happened to him. As for the Greyhound industry, well, it leaves a lot to be desired. I'm not sure the two issues compliment each other.

Notice that things are getting a bit out of hand on this thread. I wonder, is it because Greyhound Racing is getting a bad press because of all the injuries and fatalities? I'm sure that everyone is shocked at the way Matt was treated and would be behind an enquiry into what happened to him. As for the Greyhound industry, well, it leaves a lot to be desired. I'm not sure the two issues compliment each other.


i dont think the threads getting out of hand that much its just 2 persons who come on the thread and try to get it closed pretty sad if you think about it

Molly came 4th - crowded and bumped - not surprisingly AT THE FIRST BEND!

Molly came 4th - crowded and bumped - not surprisingly AT THE FIRST BEND!eyup jodie, no matter where she came its a good start, well done molly

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Aww well done Molly (that's such a nice name!!). :D

eyup jodie, no matter where she came its a good start, well done molly



just got back mate...what a night...it was emotional...lads and lasses did us proud...just under 50 turned up...ran a very good race and finished strong...so proud of what we've done...seeing so many smiling happy people even though we'd done in enough money to feed a small country...but despite what people say we are not in this to make money for the shareholders...we are keeping the campaign going....everytime they shut this thread down another will reappear.....we are not going away....

Hi Eastbank

On another thread, when I questioned whether buying Swiss Roll/Molly was purely a business arrangement, you confirmed yes - that was 'correct' and went on to assure me that you had 'sold 62 shares that works out at £2480....got a spare £1480 at present...told the lads this dinner about your concern....if we needed a grand t'morrow for vets bills....could take us a few hours to raise it.....'

You have also stated that a separate bank account has been set purely for this business arrangement - are you now saying that is not correct?

just got back mate...what a night...it was emotional...lads and lasses did us proud...just under 50 turned up...ran a very good race and finished strong...so proud of what we've done...seeing so many smiling happy people even though we'd done in enough money to feed a small country...but despite what people say we are not in this to make money for the shareholders...we are keeping the campaign going....everytime they shut this thread down another will reappear.....we are not going away....i fully appreciate feelings are running high at the moment on certain issues so well done to you & your shareholders & a very big well done to molly. i will actively keep an eye on her progress in the future be it on here or from yourself down at owlerton, well done

Hi Eastbank

On another thread, when I questioned whether buying Swiss Roll/Molly was purely a business arrangement, you confirmed yes - that was 'correct' and went on to assure me that you had 'sold 62 shares that works out at £2480....got a spare £1480 at present...told the lads this dinner about your concern....if we needed a grand t'morrow for vets bills....could take us a few hours to raise it.....'

You have also stated that a separate bank account has been set purely for this business arrangement - are you now saying that is not correct?

Molly belongs to the Matthew Cryer Memorial Trust and shares valued at £40 were sold to friends and family,there are 100 on offer,when all are sold that makes £4000,Molly cost us £884 and we estimate our kennel bill will be about £160 a month,we are also hosting a fundraising day in the birley hotel to boost Molly's fund.
everyone attending know this....at our next meeting we may transfer cash to the account that helps the youth of the area....we are also having a sponsored walk to middlesbrough and a matthew cryer fundraising day on the fa cup final saturday.......
any money Molly recieves,at no time will a dividend be paid to any shareholder...
i mean if Molly had 10 races and won them all...the prize money would total about £900......that would give a return to each shareholder at less than a tenner....
what we would do is donate that to the trust fund...i mean better to give the kids the money than share it with people who don't really need the cash..
might say to our kid lets buy a greyhound it'll cost us a grand...and it will cost us a few hundred quid to keep it....and in return the prize money might just cover that....he'd say that's a right business idea...were did you get that one from......see jobied no matter how you put it across the ammount of publicity Molly has created is worth every single penny the lads have put in...ps she is now being rested for three weeks before she races again....top business man me letting our greyhound sit around while we pick up the bill...in fact i might just buy another greyhound myself because i can....what's money anyway...you can't take it with you....

i fully appreciate feelings are running high at the moment on certain issues so well done to you & your shareholders & a very big well done to molly. i will actively keep an eye on her progress in the future be it on here or from yourself down at owlerton, well done


cheers mate..hope you are feeling better...good night mate...she did us proud...the lads partied through into the early hours...imagine what they'll do if she wins....let you know when she races again...

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There is an existing thread regarding the rights and wrongs of greyhound racing, and all discussion of that should remain in there. We will also not tolerate off topic bickering.

This is a final warning.

Thank you everybody.

this thread is for telling people the progress of Molly....if you want to have a debate about the rights and wrongs of going to the dogs...do it on another thread please...you know it makes sense...

cheers mate..hope you are feeling better...good night mate...she did us proud...the lads partied through into the early hours...imagine what they'll do if she wins....let you know when she races again...eyup EB im feelin a little better thanks, have you all had hangovers lol, im determined to get down to owlerton to watch her race so please do keep us informed of when mollys next racing, cheers mate:thumbsup:

i'd just like to thank jodieb and ginger daddy for giving me an insight into greyhound racing,they accussed me of exploiting Molly for personal gain and people who know me know that i've just about bought all my family a share in our greyhound.....with the wedge i lost on saturday i'm now down a few hundred quid....
but they got me thinking...if they say i'm guilty of the exploitaton of greyhounds i might as well look into if buying into the industry is a viable business opportunity...i've done some groundwork and found that one trainer alone raced 45 dogs last week....and that was at one meeting...even if none of them won a race he earnt himself...£1800.
not bad for 5 days work...
so cheers to my two new friends who may have opened another door for me..thank you

eyup EB im feelin a little better thanks, have you all had hangovers lol, im determined to get down to owlerton to watch her race so please do keep us informed of when mollys next racing, cheers mate:thumbsup:


she's resting now for three weeks mate but will keep you informed....off to spain friday for a well earned rest....might take in a bull fight....only joking...

just to keep you updated about our molly,she is none too worse after her racing debut and was bounding about the paddock on sunday,and chasing the kids around the track..because she is now in season her racing days are curtailed for three weeks before she trials and if she reaches her allotted time then a race is on the cards,if not it's another couple of weeks rest....we have now got her sky tv in her penthouse suite and when we left her sunday she was sat watching lassie come home...what a life she's got..lovely in it...

molly would have run today if she had been out of season...but don't worry she'll be raring to go once she's had her three weeks of well earned rest.....

just to let you know molly has she is fondly known is still resting after making her racing debut a few weeks ago,she is sidelined for another seven weeks due to women's troubles....
then she should be raring to go in dec/jan....
got a fundraising day this sunday in birley hotel from 2pm.....too boost our molly fund......can never do enough for a good lady......
on the matthew campaign front just heard that the greeks have set up an incident room up on the isle of zante....
you never know someone may soon get nicked for his murder.....

spoke to matt's dad this morning and he told me that there is a meeting in dec with mp's at westminster to put pressure on the greeks to get their fingers out to stop anymore brit's getting killed....four families will attend this meeting along with he's been told max clifford who is getting behind the campaign......on the molly front we are well on the way to reaching our target of four grand.......in shares sold...fundraiser today in birley hotel....all welcome....

raised another £248 for our flying machine....can always rely on the punters in the birley hotel to party.....what a session a good 8 hours on the lash......and up for work bright and early.....

molly ready to run in 5 weeks........owlerton doing us a good deal if anyone fancies it...keep you informed...

If Molly is sidelined all this time it looks to me that owning a greyhound or training them does not look like a good business deal at all. Dogs still need feeding, vets bills, other overheads like staff wages, elecricity etc. No wonder the industry is on it's backside!

If Molly is sidelined all this time it looks to me that owning a greyhound or training them does not look like a good business deal at all. Dogs still need feeding, vets bills, other overheads like staff wages, elecricity etc. No wonder the industry is on it's backside!


molly is in season....and no molly is not a business venture....at present she's cost us a grand with no return....but who cares it's only money
the real money in greyhounds is buying a dozen cheap dogs getting them to race six days a week....collect the racing fees which at present are about £40 a race even if the dog only gets in 10 races a month each dog brings in about 4/5 grand a year....you look at the top trainers they get in about 50 races a week......nice little earner...beats working for a living....
the bigger money though is in ireland where not only do they race a fluffy bunny round a track they chase real hares....

Did Molly get injured then in her race? She's having a very long season if not? I thought bitches were out for 3/4 weeks only. As for there being money to be made in the sport, i think you should look again at the figures. for a start theres only one 'top' trainer at Sheffield. Appearance money for an A3 race is around £25 at most tracks, the winner gets more obviously. To cover it's keep with a trainer a dog needs to run twice a week. Take into account seasonal rest, being off colour or injured and the owner is out of pocket. There are a lot of disgruntled owners wanting the prize money upped. From the trainers point, well, I wouldn't say it was easy money. All they need is a few owners to run up kennel bills and they are struggling. Paying staff is a big outlay [unless of course you employ people on the dole and pay peanuts]. To look after 25 dogs properly is more than enough work for one person if the dog is to be properly cared for. See another track [Swansea] closed this weekend.! The only people making big bucks in all this are the bookies.

Did Molly get injured then in her race? She's having a very long season if not? I thought bitches were out for 3/4 weeks only. As for there being money to be made in the sport, i think you should look again at the figures. for a start theres only one 'top' trainer at Sheffield. Appearance money for an A3 race is around £25 at most tracks, the winner gets more obviously. To cover it's keep with a trainer a dog needs to run twice a week. Take into account seasonal rest, being off colour or injured and the owner is out of pocket. There are a lot of disgruntled owners wanting the prize money upped. From the trainers point, well, I wouldn't say it was easy money. All they need is a few owners to run up kennel bills and they are struggling. Paying staff is a big outlay [unless of course you employ people on the dole and pay peanuts]. To look after 25 dogs properly is more than enough work for one person if the dog is to be properly cared for. See another track [Swansea] closed this weekend.! The only people making big bucks in all this are the bookies.

no molly is fine....and you are right a greyhound can race after 4 weeks but molly is not running til she has had 10 weeks off,no need to rush her back...we don't need the money...as for swansea shutting tough on the welsh...but we race at owlerton.....
if you are an owner/trainer and it's family run like in ireland there is plenty of money to be made out of the dogs...with selling on the pups.....
since we bought molly...we enjoy a good day at the dogs every thursday...well it beats working for a living....listen to the old timers and you can earn yourself a wedge....love it and the beer is only £1.50 a pint

I certainly don't begrudge anyone enjoying a night out, I just think those may be numbered. I mentioned Swansea because tracks are closing, I know many more across the country are struggling, admittedly Owlerton seems to one of the few keeping their heads above water. I'm still wondering why though you are 'resting' Molly? If she is fit to trial and then run is that not good for her career?

just an update on molly....our trainer says she will be ready to run in december and the racing manager is sorting out the tickets for all our shareholders...we are having another funday in the birley hotel on sunday the 6th of december.....
all are welcome and all money raised will go to the upkeep of our flying machine....justice for matt...

just an update on molly....our trainer says she will be ready to run in december and the racing manager is sorting out the tickets for all our shareholders...we are having another funday in the birley hotel on sunday the 6th of december.....
all are welcome and all money raised will go to the upkeep of our flying machine....justice for matt...

Im there once again deffo the last night out at the dogs was great even better with free entry and pint lol for being a shareholder . :hihi: and yes ill ber in birley on 6th aswell lets see forum members there to .

Im there once again deffo the last night out at the dogs was great even better with free entry and pint lol for being a shareholder . :hihi: and yes ill ber in birley on 6th aswell lets see forum members there to .



molly will be ready by the 12th of december..........cannot wait

molly will be ready by the 12th of december..........cannot wait


molly is doing her stuff t'morrow at owlerton...she is trialing over 280 yards and with another the following week...she is ready for action...the management at owlerton will make us welcome when she finally returns to the track...free entry and a pint......
don't forget our funday next sunday in the birley....raising money for our girl...

molly is back....won her trial....and should be ready to roaring come december.....will keep you posted

THIS IS TRANSLATED TO ENGLISH FROM GREEK PAPERS TODAY
....Cover it" the murder of Matthew
His parents believe that she was murdered in Zante, where he had gone holiday
REPORTAGE: Matina Irioti
Published: Wednesday, December 2, 2009

"It was the first time that Matthew went on his own vacation. We could not imagine that it will not see again the child. The Greek authorities the first time attempted to conceal the circumstances of his death, in Laganas, because they felt that in this way protect tourism in the island. Besides, two hundred thousand young Britons go annually in Zakynthos.
David O Kraier for about half the time looking for answers for the actual death of 17-year son of Matthew and also calls for "justice for their child. Matthew found himself psychorragei the morning of 22 July 2008 outside a bar in Laganas. At the hospital, which moved too late, just found his death. The coroner attributed the finding in the death of 17-year student in cardiac arrest as a result of excessive alcohol use. Ten months later, new forensic research in the UK this time, showed murder. Indeed, the family of Matthew refers to testimony, under which employees at the bar had pushed the child to be expelled from the store. The dropped down stairs and falling struck his head. The coroner Andrew Gotsis, who did the original autopsy and autopsy, speaking on "New" was categorical that found no injuries on the body of the young, despite the fact that the British colleague in his findings indicated that there were at least twenty chtypimatakakoseis, many which the head. "I remember the case," said Gotsis. "We saw injuries, and toxicology tests showed excessive alcohol use. In parallel, histological examinations showed abnormal findings.

Second autopsy
The coroner in the district of Derby-South Derbyshire, Robert Hunter, who made last May to the second autopsy (ten months after the tragic death of 17-year), concluded that it was murder. As stated in the Times of London, "the Greek police made no real effort to determine what caused the injuries to Matthew. The family of Matthew here and half that time trying to mobilize the British and Greek authorities to effectively investigate the case, accepting that the child had consumed alcohol. At the same time, however, complains that the heart of the child should be left up to the previous day in forensic laboratories. "If I had to be done and other tests would understand. But what has happened is that we bury the entire body of our child.

"We expect the Greek courts to begin proper investigation," he said "new" Mr Kraier. "We have sent all the documentation required, but there is a huge delay," he added.

Campaign
After the death of the child, the family of Matthew started the whole campaign of public opinion in Britain.

"It was his first night in Zakynthos. He had gone with four friends and two parents. He had given the advice that every parent would give his child: be careful not to drink too, to put sunscreen on, not standing on motorbike. We could not imagine that they would never see again, "says 44 year old David Kraier. "From the first time the police showed that there was available to investigate the case. Matthew is a victim of covert so as not to damage the tourism on the island, "replays.


OPPOSITE CONCLUSIONS
In Greece, the coroner attributed his death To the excessive alcohol and research in Britain showed murder!


Preparing to study in college

Matthew Kraier had just left school and was preparing to go to college to study engineering. He lived with his family in Sheffield and had even begun to work in fast food chain in order to contribute to the costs of education. It was a very popular kid, playing football matches and was a supporter of the Sheffield group.

His family after his death has notified all the elements of the case is available on the website www. justice4matthew.

com. Indeed, preventing young Britons to visit Zakynthos. Last August they delivered a memorandum signed by 12,000 people to the British prime minister and a few days ago informed that the copy was delivered to the Greek ambassador in London.

At the same time, his father has created a group on Facebook «Justice for Matthew David Cryer» already numbers 8,500 members.


"The child did not bring external injuries"

"The Case was clear from the beginning. The child did not bring external injuries and the coroner in Patras where diakomisthike the corpse found that cause of death was excessive use of alcohol, police sources report of Zakynthos. "The same young men who in the Department of Laganas testified that nothing had happened in England have said more, and described row. But it is possible, in a bar full up to the English one can not understand anything? If there was something suspicious and even more if someone had struck or pushed the young man, with nothing that could be concealed, "says the same sources.

However, the same police sources accept that the unfortunate student psychorragouse at least forty minutes on the sidewalk outside the club before an ambulance arrived. "At the same time had been calling for another incident. The result was in fact delayed the ambulance. So when Matthew Kraier arrived at the hospital, was dead. The doctors found his death.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6936977.ece

Looks like the times are going back on what they put last year when mathew was unlawfully killed , they classed him as a binge drinker ,....... look at the link above please....... this is what the times put 2 days ago in the paper . Things are finally starting to hit home and justice will be done for matt . R.I.P MATT . XX

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/parents-of-teen-who-died-in-greece-believe-there-was-police-coverup-1833144.html

TODAYS INDEPENDENT PAPER.......... AGAIN MORE SUPPORT FROM PRESS IN PUSHING JUSTICE FOR MATHEW CRYER CAMPAIGHN , JUSTICE WIL BE DONE FOR MAT R.I.P MATT

PLEASE CLICK THE LINK AND SEE FULL REPORT .

fundraising day was top drawer.....all for our molly.........thanks to the birley hotel punters........dave and jo off to westminster tuesday....justice for matthew

when is Molly running again?? x

when is Molly running again?? x



molly has got two more trials over 500 metres.....then our trainer will get her a race asap......she looked lively yesterday....and had her new coat on......expensive lady that one......but worth every penny

might be a good each way bet in her next race. What was the price in her last race?

might be a good each way bet in her next race. What was the price in her last race?



she was only 7/2 so each way is not an option.......our trainer had four winners yesterday and i backed none of them.....took our workers to the dogs for our xmas drink.....they enjoyed it.....beer was only 1.50 a pint....

she was only 7/2 so each way is not an option.......our trainer had four winners yesterday and i backed none of them.....took our workers to the dogs for our xmas drink.....they enjoyed it.....beer was only 1.50 a pint....7/2! no good eachway then eh:roll: who is your trainer?

7/2! no good eachway then eh:roll: who is your trainer?


russ warren....some good priced winners yesterday.....and i missed out....but matthew's dad copped for a couple.....he's gone to westminster today

russ warren....some good priced winners yesterday.....and i missed out....but matthew's dad copped for a couple.....he's gone to westminster todaymick mckenna lives just down from us, iv had plenty of winners with his dogs in the past. is matts dad handing a petition in or discussing what happens with the greeks?

you can have pound on the win and a pound on the place (2nd)!!

Well i'll definately be having a bet with her!

Have you had a word with Owlerton about for every pound thats placed on her they donate some money to help get justice for matt?

X

you can have pound on the win and a pound on the place (2nd)!!

Well i'll definately be having a bet with her!

Have you had a word with Owlerton about for every pound thats placed on her they donate some money to help get justice for matt?

X


they are doing enough for us.....so will let you know when she runs again...cheers

well molly won her trial and in a time of 30.26....only one more to do and she is back on track.....will keep you posted of her progress...

molly has been given the green light to race this weekend if they can get her on the card....will keep you informed

will be waiting for the news owd chap:thumbsup:

will be waiting for the news owd chap:thumbsup:


cheers mate....what did you think of old stick of rock....

Did she get on the racecard? x

Did she get on the racecard? x


yes molly is back saturday night.....
running in the LINK DISTRIBUTION UK LTD TROPHY...A4 GRADE
TIME...21.55...RACE 11

1..ACTING CHIEF WON 2 RACES.......29.99
2..STORMY GINO WON 2 RACES.......30.00
3..JUSTICE FOR MATT NO WINS.......30.26 TRIAL
4..WARNING CALL FIRST RACE.....UNKNOWN
5..BLACK CHAMPION WON 2 RACES.....30.15
6..FARLAWNS DANNY WON 1 RACE......29.84


she is up against it but will give it her best shot........

will anyone be going down to owlerton on saturday to watch molly?

will anyone be going down to owlerton on saturday to watch molly?


yes matt's family will be down from boro...and the lads from match might make one.....and sure to get some from birley........i'm stuck in london playing billy nomates....but it pays a wage......

molly ran a time of 30.19 but finished sixth....got bumped on first bend again but finished strongly....needs a few more races to get into the groove...will keep you posted....

molly ran a time of 30.19 but finished sixth....got bumped on first bend again but finished strongly....needs a few more races to get into the groove...will keep you posted....

I didn't end up going to the dogs mate cause of the weather i just wanted to get home as id had enough of freezing my balls off lol.
I did have a look last night though to see how she went on.
Her time will come m8 im sure of it.

I didn't end up going to the dogs mate cause of the weather i just wanted to get home as id had enough of freezing my balls off lol.
I did have a look last night though to see how she went on.
Her time will come m8 im sure of it.


russ says she's not far away....just needs to make that first bend unscathed then watch her go........may drop another grade...

Whens she running again, i usually go Tuesday night me more than owt.

Whens she running again, i usually go Tuesday night me more than owt.


it's up to owlerton....but it would be great if she ran boxing day

molly may run boxing day...meeting starts at 10.45.....or she's down for the 29th(tuesday).......prefer her to run the tuesday......she'll be getting at least one race a week now....so it won't be long before she wins her first race...and boy will we party....

i lost a tenner on him but good luck for the next one mate

i lost a tenner on him but good luck for the next one mate



so did i......she is learning her trade at present....but it won't be long before she wins.....justice for matt....running 26th or 29th of dec....

so did i......she is learning her trade at present....but it won't be long before she wins.....justice for matt....running 26th or 29th of dec....


now it looks like the 28th or 29th...thank god its not boxing day....too much going on...

our molly is running on tuesday night the 29th.....she is in with cracking company again and this time she's drawn 4....hope she gets to the first bend unscathed.....i know its spend spend spend time...but i think they give free tickets on a tuesday.....support our justice for matt.....runs at 19.58....thanks for your support

well another run tonight...the bookies fancy trap one but if molly gets to that bend she has a chance...good odds around 9/2.....fingers crossed

molly ran third her best to date....not long before she wins.....keep you informed of the next race....

justice for matt is running this saturday at owlerton,weather permitting....she is out of trap three....and must have a chance on her last showing...20.40 is race time....all welcome to cheer her on...come on molly

well molly was 9/4 second favourite last night but ran a very poor race compared to tuesday...she started well but slowed on the second bend...that's where they remove the hare so she must have thought why run all way round when i can just sit here and wait for my dinner..kind of meals on wire...anyway off she shot again and finished well and lost with about 6 lengths...justice for matt

molly gets another run this friday....down to A5 after her poor run saturday...she is up against it friday against dogs that have won a few races already......on the subject of up against it...matthews family have been waiting two days for a call from the british consolet on zante...makes you wonder who's side our freeloading mp's are on....justice for matt

good luck ............

it is for a good course, keep up the good work..
tony

good luck ............

it is for a good course, keep up the good work..
tony


cheers mate...been told that it won't be long before she wins...just learning her trade...got to stop giving them 6 lengths start....hope she runs well friday....

9/4 favourite and ran third...it's her birthday tuesday......don't like friday at the dogs prefer saturday....let you know when she runs next...

molly gets another run t'morrow at 11.57.....free to get in and only £1.50 a pint....all welcome....

well she's done it.....our molly wins her first race in a cracking time of 30.42....after the race got a call from belfast,people over there want to buy into our molly......the futures bright the futures justice for matt....

well she's done it.....our molly wins her first race in a cracking time of 30.42....after the race got a call from belfast,people over there want to buy into our molly......the futures bright the futures justice for matt....congratulations owd chap:thumbsup:

congratulations owd chap:thumbsup:


cheers mate...and matts file heads for greece t'morrow....campaign stalled a bit until independant stuck the boot in and told the greeks you can't beat the british media....

justice for matt running t'morrow about 1pm....been upgraded from a5 to a3 but according to our trainer we are in with a shout......taking my dad for a nice day at the dogs....

our molly ran 5th the upgrade was a bit too much....she will hopefully be downgraded to A4 next time...

justice for matt has now had eight races and goes in her ninth tonight,been dropped to A4 so she is in with a shout...she now has a fan club in belfast and they'll be cheering her on tonight.....
we will be going from the birley to lend our support....come on molly lets have win number two...

well 5th again....she has now got the rest of the week off...hope to run on monday...well its only £1.50 a pint....:hihi::hihi:

molly is running saturday night, it will be her 10th race in sheffield, you can check her form on greyhound data.com..
she must have a chance if she can make bend two unscathed...she is in trap 5....justice for matt the flying machine

Just looked at all Mollys race form, a lot of 'bumped' and ,crowded' in there, says it all about racing.

good luck xxx

Yes, the dogs certainly need it!

Just looked at all Mollys race form, a lot of 'bumped' and ,crowded' in there, says it all about racing.


greyhounds do get bumped and crowded...she had a clear run last night for the first time and finished third...she is learning that no need to mix it...she finishes well....won one race....and that was great...
i've been racing more times this past few months than i have in the past 30 years....
mon/thur afternoon its only £1.50 a pint....and the good people at owlerton give molly £28 every time she runs...even if she comes last....
we have now had sky tv fitted in her 5 star kennel....one pampered animal..

good luck xxx


cheers for the support.....might get molly 2 for myself....its good to go racing...

Shame Molly gets 'bumped and crowded', thing is, she's risking her life. What good is Sky TV in her kennel? I'm sure she would rather be looking at a nice warm fire on a beanbag!

Shame Molly gets 'bumped and crowded', thing is, she's risking her life. What good is Sky TV in her kennel? I'm sure she would rather be looking at a nice warm fire on a beanbag!



no greyhounds are bred to race...not sit in doors to make you feel better....life is a risk....and molly was full of it today.....at present she gets well looked after and shortly when she retires....she can sit infront of the most expensive fire in the world....she will have earn't it....
we love greyhound racing...its the future...
better than working mo/thur afternoons...

well our molly is running this thursday and must have a chance to come home with gold....
she got a clear run last time out and may be learning that its better to avoid all the other dogs and not get bumped.
on the fundraising front we are having a little stroll from hillsborough to middlesbrough in april and will be contributing to the childrens hospital, a childrens hospice in boro and matthews fund...

molly ran third again and came home safe and well.....got to stop giving the rest a start....

looks like i'm off to the dogs on thursday....molly running again....well it beats working...:hihi::hihi:

our molly is not fancied today and according to the racing post she is 9/2....now that is value for money...because on her day she can fly home....

Fingers crossed you'll be quids in then :thumbsup:

I'm so glad she's raising awareness, I went to laganas years ago, bouncers caused more trouble than they stopped, just like in this country.

Hope molly wins more for the awareness side of it. But keep her more as a pet and not a business opportunity, there's alot of love in the reason molly was bought, if you get carried away on the business side and the money side you will lose the love of which she represents :)

I'm so glad she's raising awareness, I went to laganas years ago, bouncers caused more trouble than they stopped, just like in this country.

Hope molly wins more for the awareness side of it. But keep her more as a pet and not a business opportunity, there's alot of love in the reason molly was bought, if you get carried away on the business side and the money side you will lose the love of which she represents :)


she ran in another blinding race and finished fourth....no way can you ever become rich with the greyhounds.....once we get justice for young matthew...molly will retire....thats a promise..
nice to see that the greeks are now fighting amongst themselves....boycott that country and tell your friends....

I'm so glad she's raising awareness, I went to laganas years ago, bouncers caused more trouble than they stopped, just like in this country.

Hope molly wins more for the awareness side of it. But keep her more as a pet and not a business opportunity, there's alot of love in the reason molly was bought, if you get carried away on the business side and the money side you will lose the love of which she represents :)


our bouncers are now controlled...theirs are not...

Fingers crossed you'll be quids in then :thumbsup:


not really greyhounds lose more than they win.....and i'm quids out at present...but i just love seeing her run...
if i didn't lose it on the dogs i'd only spend it on beer..:hihi::hihi:

not really greyhounds lose more than they win.....and i'm quids out at present...but i just love seeing her run...
if i didn't lose it on the dogs i'd only spend it on beer..:hihi::hihi:
It's fantastic seeing dogs do what they were intended for isn't it?

It saddens me to see what happens to alot of pets these days, and angers me when the owners of such pets have negative comments about 'working' dogs!

It's fantastic seeing dogs do what they were intended for isn't it?

It saddens me to see what happens to alot of pets these days, and angers me when the owners of such pets have negative comments about 'working' dogs!


the people who moan about the dogs...spend their time banning the bomb,troops out and climate change warriors...sad in it...
ps..she is running t'morrow in a trophy race...heres hoping

the people who moan about the dogs...spend their time banning the bomb,troops out and climate change warriors...sad in it...
ps..she is running t'morrow in a trophy race...heres hoping

What time?

What time?


9.30 leaving birley at 7.30 if you fancy it....taking bus down....justice for matt...that's all we want...

she ran 2nd her best race yet....and her highest finish apart from winning that A5....not belong now before she wins again...loved her to have won that trophy...never mind
gearing up now for our walk to boro...
everyone on here are welcome to our send off at the birley on the 4th of april....70s disco and its a sunday and no work on the monday..:hihi::hihi:

mollly is running thursday and been dropped to A5....so she must have a chance....justice for matt...

good old molly triumphed today...tipped in the racing post and returned at odds of 2/1 fav...loads will be having a drink on her tonight including me...she got bumped twice but still had enough in her tank to wear them down...good on yer justice for matt....you are the special one...

good old molly triumphed today...tipped in the racing post and returned at odds of 2/1 fav...loads will be having a drink on her tonight including me...she got bumped twice but still had enough in her tank to wear them down...good on yer justice for matt....you are the special one...

Nice one fella congrats good old Molly.
I'll be avin a few tonight :thumbsup:

Nice one fella congrats good old Molly.
I'll be avin a few tonight :thumbsup:


cheers mate...hows the book reading going...and dont forget the birley on easter sunday...before we set off for boro...all on here welcome

good old molly triumphed today...tipped in the racing post and returned at odds of 2/1 fav...loads will be having a drink on her tonight including me...she got bumped twice but still had enough in her tank to wear them down...good on yer justice for matt....you are the special one...

Good result.
Keep battling.

Good result.
Keep battling.


we are mate...you having a beer on me on easter sunday or you in spain...

we are mate...you having a beer on me on easter sunday or you in spain...

Gonna try and see you before then, will sort something next week.

Cheltenham next week pal.

Gonna try and see you before then, will sort something next week.

Cheltenham next week pal.


going down on thursday....with lads from bridge at ford...

going down on thursday....with lads from bridge at ford...


molly is running again monday against four of the dogs she beat thursday..
line up..
1..BAWNA VICTOR
2..TROGGY DAN
3..NERVOUS LEE
4..JUSTICE FOR MATT
5..SOBER VIERA
6..UNUSUAL GUEST

not raced against one and three yet....and still at A5...all welcome only £1.50 a pint

molly is running again monday against four of the dogs she beat thursday..
line up..
1..BAWNA VICTOR
2..TROGGY DAN
3..NERVOUS LEE
4..JUSTICE FOR MATT
5..SOBER VIERA
6..UNUSUAL GUEST

not raced against one and three yet....and still at A5...all welcome only £1.50 a pint


tipped in the racing post again...come on molly.....i need me benidorm wonga

our molly ran 2nd and was beaten by 1.5 lengths...even money favourite girl..they are scared of you after last week...opened 2/1 and before i had a chance you were 11/8....paid good money on the forecast though with trap 6..25/1....justice for matt

our molly has now had three runs in a week....one win..one second...and a third last night thus missing out on the trophy final on tuesday....she could now do with a week off to re-charge her batteries...

well to top off our week long walk to boro....our molly won last night....justice for matt....she is trialling at 660 this wednesday..

molly runs monday and been upgraded to A4....and its only £1.50 a pint...

molly runs monday and been upgraded to A4....and its only £1.50 a pint...

pik me up eastbank ill cum

pik me up eastbank ill cum


just after 11 at yours...

she is back on track this thursday....but her future lies at 660 or 720.....but the beers only £1.50 so its off to the dogs

she is back on track this thursday....but her future lies at 660 or 720.....but the beers only £1.50 so its off to the dogs


fancied in racing post....and at good odds...:hihi::hihi:

fancied in racing post....and at good odds...:hihi::hihi:

Can you let us know when she runs next and we'll try and get down for a few jars mate.
Congrats on today.:)

Won today at 3/1 jt fav.

Won today at 3/1 jt fav.


molly up in class monday...and its only £1.50 a pint

molly up in class monday...and its only £1.50 a pint


ran third...but didn't back her...got boxed in with 6 and 4.....should get another run later this week...

Can you let us know when she runs next and we'll try and get down for a few jars mate.
Congrats on today.:)


she is fancied today....running at 1.27..trap 6.....tipped all over the shop...try 6-5-4 in a tri cast....6 bets...justice for matt...everytime

she is fancied today....running at 1.27..trap 6.....tipped all over the shop...try 6-5-4 in a tri cast....6 bets...justice for matt...everytime



she opened at 4/1...everyone grabbed that and she was backed down to 5/2...good old molly...won by one length...missed out on tri-cast

our molly is running this friday in a trophy race...but over 660...she is giving 4 dogs 7 lengths start...she stays forever so is in with a shout....come on justice....

our molly ran 4th in her 660....just couldn't make up the 7 lengths she gave them...running tomorrow though in the 1.27pm at owlerton....all welcome...its only £1.50 a pint....she is in her favourite trap 6....see the racing post or daily star tomorrow see if they fancy her to win

our molly ran 4th in her 660....just couldn't make up the 7 lengths she gave them...running tomorrow though in the 1.27pm at owlerton....all welcome...its only £1.50 a pint....she is in her favourite trap 6....see the racing post or daily star tomorrow see if they fancy her to win


our molly is fancied in post again.....but try this tri-cast 6-2-3......6 bets...justice for matt...

our molly is fancied in post again.....but try this tri-cast 6-2-3......6 bets...justice for matt...whats the odds for the win matey?

whats the odds for the win matey?



just got back mate....failed with the tri-cast....but our molly romped home at odds of 7/4......lumped on her and got myself a nice drink....justice for matt...you know it makes sense...:hihi::hihi::hihi:

molly running at 20.43 on tuesday...upgraded to A2....traps one and two look favourites but she must have a chance...drawn in trap 6...

So she's still alive then?

So she's still alive then?


alive and well and running like the wind....should have seen her chasing the kids on sunday...loved it...all of them....tell the greeks to get their fingers out and convict the murdering scum...so molly can retire...
mind you the country is that skint might send them mollys winnings...not

I'm sure the Greeks would listen to me! not...however I totally agree with you wanting justice, it's a scandal. Will never understand anyone who races a greyhound though...thats another scandal..

I'm sure the Greeks would listen to me! not...however I totally agree with you wanting justice, it's a scandal. Will never understand anyone who races a greyhound though...thats another scandal..


no according to wikipedia its classed as a sport.....and an exciting one at that...our molly is getting faster and running longer....she is a true athlete...and loves the kids....not be long before she is living infront of the fire...

At least you're getting the bit about the fire right....

At least you're getting the bit about the fire right....


do you leave yours out in all weathers then...not very caring that....molly will retire to the family home...

What on earth makes you think I'd leave a dog out in all weathers? grasping at straws haha. Glad that Molly has a home waiting [IF it's true], hope she survives her racing career, so many don't...

What on earth makes you think I'd leave a dog out in all weathers? grasping at straws haha. Glad that Molly has a home waiting [IF it's true], hope she survives her racing career, so many don't...


you commented on me wanting her to settle infront of the fire....and matthew's family will certainly welcome our molly into the family home...you should see the kids playing with her in the paddock every sunday....ebony runs round while molly nods her very long hair....
at present molly is on the up and contributing to the campaign....she is now learning that she doesn't have to run through the pack..but bide her time and stay wide...and pick them off one by one...at present she is A2 and we want her to reach the top.....then retire to the family home....
and make way for justice for matt...the racehorse....

our molly is running monday at 1.44 race 11.....her second outing at A2...lost by a neck last tuesday....read her full race history..at www.greyhounddata.com......she is getting better with every race...justice for matt...the flying machine

I'm sure the Greeks would listen to me! not...however I totally agree with you wanting justice, it's a scandal. Will never understand anyone who races a greyhound though...thats another scandal..

i thought that the greeks invented the the running thing,olimpics springs to mind so why is it ok for a man or woman to run but not a dog?your arguement d,snt make sense

well molly gets another crack at A2 on saturday night...she has now finished 2nd and 5th...so hopefully third time lucky...see her full record at www.greyhounddata.com
justice for matt the flying machine

our molly ran 2nd on saturday...and she's had a pay rise...and she was treated to a nice piece of horsemeat for her sunday dinner....and she loved it...justice for matt...the flying machine

nice to see catsrock rooney...romping home at 6/4 last night....cannot believe i missed it...dropped to A3 and obliged....hoping molly gets a run thursday before i go to brighton for three days....justice for matt

Vanman10, Human races are not designed so that all the runners crash together at a bend causing injuries. As with any sport, humans know what risks are involved ie mountaineering, motor racing. Unfortunately animals are not aware of any danger to themselves. They are just acting on instinct. Being used to generate money and entertainment for people who should, in my view, have a more ethical outlook on the sport of dog racing.

Vanman10, Human races are not designed so that all the runners crash together at a bend causing injuries. As with any sport, humans know what risks are involved ie mountaineering, motor racing. Unfortunately animals are not aware of any danger to themselves. They are just acting on instinct. Being used to generate money and entertainment for people who should, in my view, have a more ethical outlook on the sport of dog racing.


you have got it...the dogs and horses are there to entertain just like lions and tigers in the circus...just like the bulls in spain and the dancing bears in eastern europe.
the dolphins and killer whales in disney world...its what animals do...and they love it...
mind you our molly is better looked after than some of those others...horse meat for her sunday dinner...whats up with pedigree chum...mind you she has had a pay rise so she deserves it....
might even invest in a dog in ireland who by all accounts could be a champion hare courser..

Bullfighting? Dancing bears? eastbank, I suspect you may be at the wind up! However, lets just hope the ALF don't get wind if your views...you might yourself end up as entertainment, Christians and lions springs to mind lol!

Bullfighting? Dancing bears? eastbank, I suspect you may be at the wind up! However, lets just hope the ALF don't get wind if your views...you might yourself end up as entertainment, Christians and lions springs to mind lol!


ALF you've not seen our lot....we love confrontation....tell them to turn up at the dogs....it would be interesting....now our boys cannot get their kicks at the football.....
read my book...wednesday rucks and rock and roll....been educating the great unwashed for 40 years...oh! i forgot the ALF just dig up graves and attack people only when they have the numbers...

Whats it all about ALFIE...........

Whats it all about ALFIE...........



just what i thought...remember when we chased the socialist workers around town every saturday afternoon....
looks like old easty may have upset the charming ALF....i think they'd have their hands full with our lot.....you ought to have seen them saturday...frightening...

From what I have read about them they don't sound like the sort of people I'd like to meet on a dark night! But then I have nothing to fear, not being an animal abuser. While I don't agree with the lenghts they go to they are defending the rights of animals. I must admit than when seeing a bull toss a matador into the crowd I shouted 'YESSSS!'. It was on the news by the way, Id never attend such a horrific event. I applaud your 'confident' attitude, should you ever get a 'visit', lets hope you can back it up!!

From what I have read about them they don't sound like the sort of people I'd like to meet on a dark night! But then I have nothing to fear, not being an animal abuser. While I don't agree with the lenghts they go to they are defending the rights of animals. I must admit than when seeing a bull toss a matador into the crowd I shouted 'YESSSS!'. It was on the news by the way, Id never attend such a horrific event. I applaud your 'confident' attitude, should you ever get a 'visit', lets hope you can back it up!!

They are ok sneaking about, they don't turn up face to face at dog meetings race tracks etc for trouble.
I agree with some of their principles but like all other groups they take things to the extreme. If they are going to start visiting people for attending dog meetings and such things they want to be prepared for the compliment being returned.

I would guess they 'sneak' about as languishing in prison means they cannot get on with what they do. I too agree with a lot of their principles but myself would stop short of harming anyone or doing anything illegal.

From what I have read about them they don't sound like the sort of people I'd like to meet on a dark night! But then I have nothing to fear, not being an animal abuser. While I don't agree with the lenghts they go to they are defending the rights of animals. I must admit than when seeing a bull toss a matador into the crowd I shouted 'YESSSS!'. It was on the news by the way, Id never attend such a horrific event. I applaud your 'confident' attitude, should you ever get a 'visit', lets hope you can back it up!!



if they decided to visit my home i'd take one or two with me....then let the fun begin...see we dont go running to the police when threatened...we call our mates.....heard they have got a decent firm but like i said...grave digging is their fortay....
anyway bet most of them like a night at the dogs...not really animal cruelty..is it.....

I'm not a betting person but I WOULD bet that they don't go to meetings. Unless it's to trash equipment..

I would guess they 'sneak' about as languishing in prison means they cannot get on with what they do. I too agree with a lot of their principles but myself would stop short of harming anyone or doing anything illegal.


grave digging they should have got life....like any underground minority movement...they have to sneak about because hardly anyone believes in their causes...only a very tiny minority..

I'm not a betting person but I WOULD bet that they don't go to meetings. Unless it's to trash equipment..


what sneak about in the dark...gotta be nocturnal the ALF....sure your not a member

Hilarious! me a member! Maybe if I was 30 years younger I could be tempted. I disagree with you that animal activists are a tiny minority, most people abhor cruelty, it's just a matter of how far individuals are prepared to go. If I was advocating such sports as bear dancing etc I certainly would be wary of ALF, they seem to have added Greyhounds to there interests lately. Don't underestimate them. As you rightly have pointed out, owning and racing a dog is not illegal but gloating about what is in many peoples views cruel could make you a target.

Hilarious! me a member! Maybe if I was 30 years younger I could be tempted. I disagree with you that animal activists are a tiny minority, most people abhor cruelty, it's just a matter of how far individuals are prepared to go. If I was advocating such sports as bear dancing etc I certainly would be wary of ALF, they seem to have added Greyhounds to there interests lately. Don't underestimate them. As you rightly have pointed out, owning and racing a dog is not illegal but gloating about what is in many peoples views cruel could make you a target.


like you said its not illegal....i've been getting into grief all my life...so having the ALF on my case doesn't worry me....i know if i get grief..they will get it back tenfold...trust me....
one noisy chav gave the nan of someone i know a bit of grief...he spent three days in the boot of a car...now nan lives in peace and quiet..

I have actually come across them twice before, both times fishing.

The first time they came down the Trent in canoes slashing away at the fishing lines and water with their paddles. They soon shot off when all the anglers bricked them.

The next time was on the misson and they were shouting at us, one of them shouted,

"Have you ever asked a fish if it wants a hook in it lip"

I replied

"I would if I could catch one that could talk".:hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi:.....

I have actually come across them twice before, both times fishing.

The first time they came down the Trent in canoes slashing away at the fishing lines and water with their paddles. They soon shot off when all the anglers bricked them.

The next time was on the misson and they were shouting at us, one of them shouted,

"Have you ever asked a fish if it wants a hook in it lip"

I replied

"I would if I could catch one that could talk".:hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi:.....


we are running a fishing match for young matthew...bet lemongrass thinks thats cruel...if it were down to the likes of them...you'd never get out of the house...molly running saturday night if the ALF want a pop....

we are running a fishing match for young matthew...bet lemongrass thinks thats cruel...if it were down to the likes of them...you'd never get out of the house...molly running saturday night if the ALF want a pop....

What grade is she in on Saturday?
It might be better waiting until she is dropped a grade.

eastbank, if I were involved in such nefarious activities as grave robbing etc I certainly would not be here debating racing with you. Doing things covertly seems to be ALFs thing. I don't know you and we will never meet, I'm sure. We will never agree on dog racing. I get the feeling you are at heart 'one of t'lads'. If I'm wrong and you really do believe that cruel sports are acceptable then you will deserve anything you get. I suppose you are going to tell me you think illegal dog fights are ok now eh? and prove me wrong lol.

BTW eastbank, well done with what you did to the chav...that's exactly how cruel people should be treated!

What grade is she in on Saturday?
It might be better waiting until she is dropped a grade.

she's on the up mate...A2 and due a win...cant see her dropping yet..her times are good...
mind you more pressing matters...some scumbag on facebook been sending matthews sister hurtmail...hope the police get them before we do....i know its kids but their parents are in for it...

eastbank, if I were involved in such nefarious activities as grave robbing etc I certainly would not be here debating racing with you. Doing things covertly seems to be ALFs thing. I don't know you and we will never meet, I'm sure. We will never agree on dog racing. I get the feeling you are at heart 'one of t'lads'. If I'm wrong and you really do believe that cruel sports are acceptable then you will deserve anything you get. I suppose you are going to tell me you think illegal dog fights are ok now eh? and prove me wrong lol.


no wasn't the ALF who dug up that lady who bred guinea pigs...i love animals...especially our greyhound...even the horses who have lost me a fortune...
i am a bit of a lad...and that chav deserved everything he got...mind you it was in london so nothing to do with us..
anyone who lets dogs fight for money...needs to get what happened to him in the rise of the foot soldier when he nails him to the warehouse floor...

Not following you about the foot soldier? Honestly, I have every sympathy with you about Matt. It's a bit unfortunate that you and I have descended into a bit of a scrap about Greyhounds, something I feel strongly about. In fact, I detest any form of cruelty, to humans or animals. BUT, I feel that people who do that should not just get a 'slap on the wrist'. they deserve a lot worse.

Not following you about the foot soldier? Honestly, I have every sympathy with you about Matt. It's a bit unfortunate that you and I have descended into a bit of a scrap about Greyhounds, something I feel strongly about. In fact, I detest any form of cruelty, to humans or animals. BUT, I feel that people who do that should not just get a 'slap on the wrist'. they deserve a lot worse.


the rise of the foot soldier is a film based on someone i knew years ago...and he deals with people who cross him...by nailing them to the floor...what they should do to those who mistreat animals...but not me..
we will never see eye to eye about the greyhounds....but that's life...maybe soon we will get justice and molly can retire...
if only we knew who killed him then we could unleash the foot soldier then justice would be done..

Good luck on your quest for justice and hope Molly stays safe...

How did the dog run on Saturday?

How did the dog run on Saturday?


she ran third...check her status at www.greyhounddata.com

our molly has been downgraded to A3 for a trophy race saturday night....should be in with a shout as she is the only wide dog in the race and her times have been good.....justice for matt...the flying machine

our molly ran fourth last week...put another wide dog in at the last minute and it was tipped all over the shop....won at 5/2
she runs tonight at 660....giving 11 lengths to trap 1 though...2 is the fancied dog...think i'll go for 2 and our molly...if the price is right...
about time she went back to running monday or thursday...10.30 on a friday night is not a good time...

sorry eastbank that molly is up so late tonight but i asked iff she could run for my sisters retirement do 35 more people to spread the words justice for matt:love:

sorry eastbank that molly is up so late tonight but i asked iff she could run for my sisters retirement do 35 more people to spread the words justice for matt:love:


its a good job its not a school night...she can have a nice sleep in tomorrow..and look forward to her horsemeat on sunday lunch..:hihi::hihi:

our molly is running again saturday night at 21.40 with another wide dog in the race...this tends to hamper her performance...not happy prefer her to race in the afternoon on mon/thur....when its only £1.50 a pint..come on justice for matt....

So, she may be 'hampered', let's hope that does not result in 'injured'. Oh, so it's fine for her to be 'BAGS' fodder as long as the beer is cheap!

So, she may be 'hampered', let's hope that does not result in 'injured'. Oh, so it's fine for her to be 'BAGS' fodder as long as the beer is cheap!


dont like two wide dogs in the same race...she doesn't like it...like i dont like her running at half ten on a friday or saturday night...i prefer to watch her run on a monday or thursday so i can take my dad who wont go in the evening...the beer is a bonus...they also have bags in the evening....mind you i'm going tomorrow...better than working...got two dogs to lump on...not what you know its who you know...:hihi::hihi:

So, she 'don't like it', well why make her then? Ha ha, lets not go 'around the houses' on this one again eastbank!!!

So, she 'don't like it', well why make her then? Ha ha, lets not go 'around the houses' on this one again eastbank!!!


because i dont pick her races...the people at owlerton do....should have really said i dont like it but it hampers her from winning....trap five will win her race...

Poor bitch, at the mercy of another RM who only cares about balancing the books...

Poor bitch, at the mercy of another RM who only cares about balancing the books...


our thoughts entirely....dont worry we will be having words....this afternoon..when we enjoy a day at the dogs....and its only £1.50 a pint

think the danger to molly tonight is trap 3...its 5 dogs first run at owlerton...so with molly in her favourite 6 trap....try a nice forcast and tricast with 6-5-3.....justice for matt

Never mind the forecast and tricast, just come off sound Molly!

Never mind the forecast and tricast, just come off sound Molly!



our molly did ok...yet another wide dog got in the way.....just having a nice piece of horsemeat for her sunday dinner....not keen on the racing manager myself but he's got a business to run.....and make as much profit as he can..

well this tuesday our molly gets to run in her first open 660 race..not giving the other dogs any start...
mind you she ran a poor race last thursday...and finished 6th...
it will be two years this coming wednesday when those murdering greek scum killed the young lad and a last interpol have took control and are on the island of zante...
hope they soon catch the scum...and jail them....or betting still hang them

well our molly has had another rest and is raring to get back on the track...one for the diary is on november the 6th....saturday night at owlerton for the matthew cryer memorial trophy....
should be a great night out...

our molly is back but not yet at her best...ran last friday and with the odds of 5/1 offered we knew she was not ready...didnt fancy 1 and 5...so had a nice tri-cast on 2-3-4 and they obliged at 96/1.....
she is running this friday....but she is still not at her best....thinks she is waiting for the 6th of november...to oblige...
thanks to calendar for their documentary...and nice to see someone has had their collar felt....justice for matthew is all we want

our molly is on the card monday...been dropped to A5 so should be in with a shout in her next two races....lumping on monday...and if she loses double your stake next time out.....she is due a win...and the beers only £1.50 a pint....happy days

our molly lost in a photo at odds of 9/2.....get on her next time out...the girl is back...happy days

our molly is having a race night on saturday the 6th of november at owlerton which will feature the matthew cryer memorial trophy...tickets priced at £3 with all money going to the young uns trust....pm old easty if you want to attend....

nice one molly...romped home at 9/4 and brought old easty a nice touch...i knew she would win...thank you betfred,william hill and bob holmes for my benidorm money...well no point in placing it all at the track...lessens the odds...come on molly....matthew cryer memorial trophy night on the 6th of november...

our molly pipped at the post...that is a win and two 2nds in her last three races....dont forget the 6th of november at owlerton stadium for the matthew cryer memorial trophy....all welcome

our molly running again this friday...only wide dog in the race...that is three races in eight days though...look what they say in racing post friday morning...if they fancy her....matthew cryer memorial trophy on saturday the 6th of november...all welcome..

our molly running again this friday...only wide dog in the race...that is three races in eight days though...look what they say in racing post friday morning...if they fancy her....matthew cryer memorial trophy on saturday the 6th of november...all welcome..


looking forward to it pal ,not seen molly run for a while, and be good to see everyone aswell for few beers :)

looking forward to it pal ,not seen molly run for a while, and be good to see everyone aswell for few beers :)


nice one...took her out yesterday....well kids did...while i had a brew.....should be upto speed by the 6th....shes only running on empty at moment due to womans troubles....meeting in old crown at 6.30pm....all welcome...got a good turn out...birley on tour

well what about that then....she has been off lately...but bang...took them all to the cleaners today.....another wedge for benidorm....forecast/tricast up....sorry girl but i didnt back you to win......oops

well this is one hectic week...molly running monday and the following saturday it is the matthew cryer memorial trophy race at owlerton....meeting in the old crown at 6pm if you fancy it....should be a cracking night at the dogs....

well she's done it again and romped home at 3/1......and nice little forecast to go with it...looks like my benidorm pot is full to bursting...thanks to the little lady....been confirmed molly is running saturday night but not in the matthew cryer memorial trophy...got v.i.p. tickets if anyone wants them admission,race card and free drink....meet in the old crown at 6pm....a donation for the trust is all we ask for the tickets...pm easty if you want to come

got the race times for saturday....the matthew cryer memorial trophy will race at 21.10 its an A5 race for up and coming greyhounds.....while our molly...aka justice for matt has been upgraded to A3 after her stunning victory on monday.....meet in old crown around 18.30 and the first race starts about 19.30.....we have got a good turn out...and have a few tickets available still if you fancy it....vip tickets that get you entry,racecard and a free drink...just ask for a donation to the young uns trust...

pm sent m8

pm sent m8


cheers mate...will sort you a few tickets....should be a good night...easty