Getting a little fed up now of going to quote on jobs and people wanting the work done for next to nothing. I've also been to look at a job were a forum member has put in a ridiculously cheap price in for a job he's not even seen. were do these people get there prices from? there was 4 days work and after he'd quoted £200 after tax van insurance fuel costs etc he'd have worked for nothin nearly. These tax evaders are taking work from under our noses and BODGING the jobs which in turn a professional will be needed to rectify the job and be expected to take the same wage again, please people need to realise that by paying for a professional your gonna get a professional job.

It would be nice to know how many more tradesmen / professionals have had this done to them

totally agree

I've had several jobs like this and it's not just the domestic market. I've been back to three jobs that the owners had got an electrician out of the Star. One to make the back boxes flush, because they were still sticking out by 10mm, and another 2 for electrical faults.

Both the electrical faults were tripping the RCD, so instead of finding the fault the RCD's were by-passed and hey presto the circuits don't trip any more. One of these was due to 230V running through the aerial coax.:o

People advertising for these jobs need to realise that just because something works doesn't mean that it's safe. This goes for all trades, not just construction but motor trades and others.

Constantly being undercut and the quotes I give are really fair prices for a good job well done. I don't know who gets most of the work advertised on here but he must be busy!

We have it even harder, mr numpty thinks 'i will buy a small luton van and do removals' and hey presto 'white van man removals' who charge £50 for a full house move.
When customers feeling the credit crunch think its a bargain until they realise everything they own and tresure is being trashed by mr.numpty who has no insurance,pays no tax,is signing on,and has to make 10 trips backward and forward to move all the items.
Meanwhile we are waiting for the house to be empty making our day twice as long.
Please if your moving remember ALL your worldly goods are going with these people so if you value them obviously to do the job right costs more than two bob and a packet of parkdrive.
YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR WITH ALL TRADESMEN!

Both the electrical faults were tripping the RCD, so instead of finding the fault the RCD's were by-passed and hey presto the circuits don't trip any more. One of these was due to 230V running through the aerial coax.:o


oh bugger me!! haha

Although i do agree with this thread there are so many out there undercutting by over half the amount some times.

Personally my experience of using so called professional tradesmen is not 100 %.
I have had brake shoes fitted by a national chain which were upside down,bannisters fitted and not finished off despite repeated calls to the company,door.interior door frames sat onto carpet.
The result is I prefer to use personal recommendation now even if they are not true professionals.
The answer is do a good job and ask people to reccomend you,this will bring work.

Well I need a tiler if any of you do this??

I try and get personal regimentations and a number of quotes and go with the one I feel comfortable with , not necessarily the cheapest.

i'v had a couple of jobs off here, but usually go with word of mouth. the thing is people want a price over this forum and it really can't be done. too many plasterers on here argueing over prices in the end you get the job but work for nothing.
i did a job for some1 on here last week and i gave him a really good/fair price luckily he accepted before any1 else came in and undercut me.

but regarding to the first post i have had it done to me a lot. make you ask yourself whats the point.
keep chin up and keep plodding on

Well I need a tiler if any of you do this??

we do tiling... if you would like a quote or advise just give me a call cheers, rich

Well I need a tiler if any of you do this??

I have a good tiler if you want me to arrange a quote.....

Gets on my nerves no end.

I have a mate who also has his own plastering business and he resorted to quoting £60 a day for one job....he was told that was 'extortionate'.
I certainly couldn't work for that.

For those of you who like recommendations and would pay that little bit more....in my experience you are a minority.

A lot of people seem to think plastering is a 'nowt' job....you just throw the stuff at the walls and flatten it. Little do they know the experience needed...the knowledge...and just how bloody hard the job is.

gggggrrrrr don't get me started!!!!!!!

Its a joke pal, i quoted £70 to remove, cap a cooker and un cap a gas point and reconnect at a new property, so 4 tightness tests 2 safety certificates and testing of all safety devices, plus two seperate call outs and woman wouldnt even barter with me, just a sharp in take of breath and a "oh no thats far too expensive".

Also quoted someone to fit a new combi boiler which needed a fresh 28/22mm gas run (due to only a 15mm feed coming off meter feeding a 28kw combi,6.9kw fire and a cooker/oven) and customer wouldnt even entertain listening to that, thats basic safety. People seem to think just because where in a recession we can over look safety - complete joke

That's not limited to the trade sector, it's just as true for professionals services, highly-specialised legal services in my case. The same dynamic applies: client goes for a price, but ends up paying twice if not thrice as much to get the job done in the end (assuming it can be done at all, after it's been botched up the first time around...you don't get many 2nd chances with intellectual property).

Always remember that old saying: "pay me a penny now, pay me a pound later"

A bit of psych on the client with that little maxim goes a long way ;)

ceevee what you like for work at the minute mate?

don't let it get you down mate im just worried about xmas thats when it slows down, i like to think my price's are fair and reflect on the work you have done.
there are plasterers that are better than me, but then again theres a lot worse out there. but you cannot get into a pricing war over jobs because 1 of you end up with out the job while the other 1 does it for next to nothing.

i tend to walk away from customers that are messing around with your price.

ps £60 sheets p/day is only driving it down further.

ps £60 sheets p/day is only driving it down further.

i wouldnt get out of bed for that!!

take tax off thats down to £48.00 a day, prob £8.00 in fuel and food for day

£40.00 a day?

then there is insurance and other bits and bobs to throw into that!

Damn, 200 a week!!! i wouldnt even wake up never mind get out of bed! i couldnt live on that!

Look at every one jumping to doing the tiling job haha

Hey Mac I agree £60 is driving it further...

Work is ok at then moment with 2 weeks in advance booked in. You?
Its after that though....and I hear tell Henry Boot is getting rid of all their spreads...

my rock bottom is £70 i think we all should put heads together instead of undercutting

THink about the poor customer sometimes - p and d did a good job for me at a fair price.
However one guy quoted me double their rate - so who should i go with?

I've had others do work who were in the mix on price,but tbh the work was not up to scratch.

yes no lower than £70

We are all feeling it the people that are priceing £60 a day ect are on the dole most of them so that on top of dole is good money for them .Its really annoying and personally im not going to that level £60 a day takes the pxxxx we all have outgoings and taxes ect .The thing is everyones goeing on about i want a cheap job theres a credit crunch ? WELL TELL MY BANK MANAGER THAT AND SEE IF HE WILL LET US OF WITH MY MORGAGE THIS MONTH ? LOL i think not is a likely answer its like a few people said keep ploddin but dont go to there level because it is slowly killing all tradesman ?

yes anybody caught going less than £70 a day should be named and shamed on here

ask them there u.t.r number if no answer you know why

yes anybody caught going less than £70 a day should be named and shamed on here

ask them there u.t.r number if no answer you know why

I guess it depends on what you call a day, £70 / 8 hours = £8.75 an hour, not very good for a tradesman, £70 / 5 hours = £14 an hour, how many people are on that kind of money.

I guess it depends on what you call a day, £70 / 8 hours = £8.75 an hour, not very good for a tradesman, £70 / 5 hours = £14 an hour, how many people are on that kind of money.

yes i see your point
i ment £70 rock bottom price for 9-5 with hour for dinner


i wouldent think any elecys // corgie gas men would go this low

anybody that can go below £60 a day is surly fiddeling tax ext:loopy::loopy::loopy:

This forum has been a big contributer to you all working for peanuts. You should all have listened 18 months ago and stuck to sensible prices.£100/ day is the MINIMUM any tradesman should be on but we are all ****ed now

This forum has been a big contributer to you all working for peanuts. You should all have listened 18 months ago and stuck to sensible prices.£100/ day is the MINIMUM any tradesman should be on but we are all ****ed now

Blame two week training courses for producing a glut of “tradesman”

This forum has been a big contributer to you all working for peanuts. You should all have listened 18 months ago and stuck to sensible prices.£100/ day is the MINIMUM any tradesman should be on but we are all ****ed now

Here here .:hihi:

This forum has been a big contributer to you all working for peanuts. You should all have listened 18 months ago and stuck to sensible prices.£100/ day is the MINIMUM any tradesman should be on but we are all ****ed now


But what do you do when every single quote gets a "NO"?

Yes we should all stick together and keep our prices at the £100 level, but honestly how many are going to stick to that when customers are used to skip-rats charging pennies?

£100 a day should be the absolute minimum for a professional tradesman.

But what do you do when every single quote gets a "NO"?

Yes we should all stick together and keep our prices at the £100 level, but honestly how many are going to stick to that when customers are used to skip-rats charging pennies?

£100 a day should be the absolute minimum for a professional tradesman.

Thing is, if a tradesman told you less than £100 per day, wouldnt you be worried???
If a garage told me they'd service my car for £25 i'd know the job couldnt possibly be done right for that and i'd not use them.

yes i see your point
i ment £70 rock bottom price for 9-5 with hour for dinner


i wouldent think any elecys // corgie gas men would go this low

anybody that can go below £60 a day is surly fiddeling tax ext:loopy::loopy::loopy:

An hour for dinner?
You'll never work for me Garry :hihi:

my rock bottom is £70 i think we all should put heads together instead of undercutting

You want your head banging mate. Now we know where all the work is going. I went to quote for a job off here making a shop counter. Lady wanted a 3m curved counter with shelves and lighting, black laminate finish for £200. Also she had been quoted £60 to do a days work. It's a joke

But what do you do when every single quote gets a "NO"?

Yes we should all stick together and keep our prices at the £100 level, but honestly how many are going to stick to that when customers are used to skip-rats charging pennies?

£100 a day should be the absolute minimum for a professional tradesman.

Price fixing isn't exactly legal.

Well something's got to give...and I don't see why it has to be the tradesmans price again..and again...and again.

It's getting stupid.

An hour for dinner?
You'll never work for me Garry :hihi:

good youll have me on ridge tiles:hihi::hihi:

ceevee - not doing bad myself had a good run of work on for 2 weeks got week 3 in front, waiting for a call to go on site but not holding my breathe.

just doing a old women's bungalow she has just had henry boot's in for a re-furb, left a right mess, the plastering is un real. she says the kid who was plastering looked about 15. what are agencies/henry boots playing at.
they have got the pick of the best/qulified/experienced tradesmen at the minute and still end up with the $h1t.

regarding wages i stick to £120 (labour only) per day for domestics but will only put 2 steady gauges on not killin myself, and charge £70 for half days. seems to be working and keeping the work steady.
i saw the plastering job on the other thread for becca46 skimming a full room 12 x 10 and you knew it was going to get messy regarding pricing each other out.

I've used the forum 3 times for tradesman.

First guy tiled my bathroom floor and when I got home from work there was a note instructing me to finish off the grouting and his wife rang me the next day demanding another £80 as I'd bought the wrong grout (powder) and it was useless and stuck another half-day onto the job. Floor needs completely redoing now.

A bloke who put up a garden fence and driveway gate who left behind a knackered wheelbarrow . . . and an unpaid for skip . . . and gates that are not close to being aligned.

Worst . . . someone who fitted an oak floor last year that has now completely buckled and is going to cost 2k to fit a new one.

My fault, all of them, completely. Always went with the cheapest quote and it's NOT WORTH IT. I've has people like MF-Joinery and Dan to give me quotes and even though they were a bit more, I wish I'd gone with the recognised tradesman.

In the long run, it doesn't pay to be tight wad. :thumbsup:

And £70 a day is MORE than reasonable. I'd be surprised at anyone moaning about that price.

Regards,

Stupid Tight Arse

Blame two week training courses for producing a glut of “tradesman”

Sorry Malky but two week training courses and tradesman should never be used in the same sentance :suspect:

These courses should only be used for a basic knowledge of a trade but the adverts keep coming up showing the electrician who's been on the course, has his own, new sign writen, van and telling his mate that he's earning over £40k. If he's earning over £40k a year then he must specialise in something, that's right 'conning people'.

The government pushed for these courses saying that there was a shortage of skilled labour, which i don't believe there ever was. But why do they think that this can be solved with a short course that many of us have taken a 4-5 year apprenticeships to complete:loopy:

I'm waiting to go on the 2 week training course to become the next P.M.:hihi:

Sorry Malky but two week training courses and tradesman should never be used in the same sentance :suspect:

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Hence the reason I put it in commas. :roll:

Ive done a few jobs off the forum but again not ended up with loads of the jobs i have quoted for, so dont really bother with doing forum jobs as someone is always willing to do the job for nothing?

I get most jobs I quote for away from the forum ie through recommendations of previous customers so my pricing cant be too expensive to the general public just to forummers maybe.

I have two full house refurbs coming up so i,m not struggling for work.
I have to rent a storage unit, pay tax on wages van insurance etc and also public liability insurance so the day rate has to reflect that.
I own all my tools which cost a fortune.

From a customer point of view if they can get a job done cheap why not so long as you only pay once you are happy, unfortunately there are some good tradesmen out of work that will work for nothing as £50 a day is better than £0 a day in some peoples eyes?

I put in a price to change a set of french doors which involved making the opening larger then removing some botched decking. There was then a patio to lay out side the french doors.

One company from the forum charged a bit more than me and then one charged considerably less which only just covered materials and the customer went with them.

I always make a point of showing my portfolio when i go to quote for jobs. It shows the customers the quality of work they'll get beforehand. It also helps to reasure them that they will get a proper job done. I've been to alot of jobs to repair what a so called "tradesman" has done and made a complete mess of it while charging silly money. It is getting difficult to price for jobs though when the prices for material and everything else keeps going up but to get the job you have to keep the price down to a very very minimum level.

Thing is, if a tradesman told you less than £100 per day, wouldnt you be worried???
If a garage told me they'd service my car for £25 i'd know the job couldnt possibly be done right for that and i'd not use them.


Damn right. get three or four quotes pick the ones that are nearest each other then pick which tradesman your gut instinct & recomenations
tell you

I myself think the forum is a brilliant idea. yeah you'll get a couple of bad quotes but thats life. What annoys me is all the many people who get trades men off here then don't leave feedback.

Sorry Malky but two week training courses and tradesman should never be used in the same sentance :suspect:

These courses should only be used for a basic knowledge of a trade but the adverts keep coming up showing the electrician who's been on the course, has his own, new sign writen, van and telling his mate that he's earning over £40k. If he's earning over £40k a year then he must specialise in something, that's right 'conning people'.

The government pushed for these courses saying that there was a shortage of skilled labour, which i don't believe there ever was. But why do they think that this can be solved with a short course that many of us have taken a 4-5 year apprenticeships to complete:loopy:

I'm waiting to go on the 2 week training course to become the next P.M.:hihi:

I've worked on building sites for the past 12years (4 of which as a apprentice) and ive worked with these internet electricians (downloaded certs lol) and they know f**k all but are the first to gloat on how much they earn and how good and great they are!
At the end of the day in any job you should start at the bottom and work you way up, and i mean work hard, the more you do the more you learn.

As for the price per day, i have just started up on my own and in the last 3-4month have paid out more than £2000 on insurance, testers, courses, signing on to a electrical govening body,just so i can try and make a living and in less than a year i'll have to pay again, bear in mind this doesnt include drills/tools vans etc, and like most people i have bills and a mortgage, to which i have worked hard for what i have and surely anybody in there right mind would not expect to get a professional job for penny's

thanks for letting me rant but to all professional tradesmen and women
good luck as we need it when been under cup by non-professionals

I allways say dont rip people off,do a good job,clean up after yourself and they will come back plus they will recomend you to other people.....proofs in the pudding,,,,,lee

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Off the subject slightly, but an engineer from the NICEIC asked the following question:
Q. Why do you have to be registered with gas safe, or previosly CORGI, to work on gas but anyone can work on electrics?

A. Because Gas can kill a lot more people in one go!

The requirement for registration for CORGI to work on gas apparently came after several gas related accidents cause major fatalities.

So because electricity doesn't kill or injure lots of people in one go, but can kill or injure lots of people over a period then anyone can mess with it. What a strange world we live in:loopy:

Hi Y'all
I am newly unemployed (after 36years graft - redundancy strikes again!)
My ex was a builder and I have often wondered why trades people do not band together to provide a total service, so each is supplying their skill where required, and benefitting from a really good reputation all round.
To do this a good business organiser would be needed to arrange bookings, collect payments, type quotes etc, and do the admin.
I'm not suggesting that this would become one single business, but the main cry of the punters that I know is that the tradesmen never turn up when they say they will.
I know why that sometimes happens, but just let me know if you think this would work.
thanks
Dawn

ther is no jobs im fed up now i do no tho that there is work at the sheffield arena putting up that stage he wantin loads of men

ther is no jobs im fed up now i do no tho that there is work at the sheffield arena putting up that stage he wantin loads of men

what you on about mate:huh: