I am Sheffield born and now live in the U.S. I have been trying to discover the origins of Attercliffe, Carbrook and Brightside. Does anyone know the meanings of the names?

Does anyone know the origin of the names Attercliffe, Carbrook and Brightside?

I think I read somewhere about this and It`s quite simple really, If you look down the valley at Attercliffe you see a "Cliff on the left where wincobank is, so It`s "at the cliffe" Carbrook is the name of a stram that has now gone, Brightside is the "Brightside of the valley" note where the sun rises.

Don`t quote me but I`m sure thats right.

Thanks for the info David.

As regards Brightside, I've read different views - one being that is the 'sunny side' of the valley as you mentioned; the second is that the area was named after a certain General Bright. I'm not quite sure what his contribution to society was yet...

I think Attercliffe comes from"otter cliffe", where the otters were seen frequently years ago

A quick google search for Brightside brings up the following:

1644 AD - English civil war. Sheffield Castle besieged and conquered by Parliamentary army, including John Bright of Carbrook Hall and Kelham Homer, the Town’s Armourer.

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The Carbrook Hall Hotel, yet another pub on Attercliffe Common, is reputed to be the City's most haunted public house. Built in 1623 by the Bright family, it was Colonel John Bright of Cromwell's army who rode to York for help when Sheffield Castle was threatened by Royalists troops.

http://www.carbrookhall.co.uk/

http://www.hauntedinns.co.uk/carbrook_hotel.htm

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Sheffield/

Hope these are helpful

This link might help Fala :
Sheffield Local History Material (http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~exy1/on_reference.html)
Includes quite a few interesting Sheffield history articles for anyone interested, I think I have posted this link a couple of times before :confused:

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Picures of old Attercliffe (http://www.picturesheffield.com/database_search.php)

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Attercliffe's Hilltop Chapel

How many people on their mad dash, to Meadowhall, realise they are passing within yards of one of Sheffields oldest buildings.

Built in 1629, funded mainly by John Bright of nearby Carbrook Hall. This would remain Attercliffe's sole Aglican church for the next two hundred years.


http://img42.photobucket.com/albums/v130/wharncliffe/attercliffe_023.jpg

The name Attercliffe is derived from the village at the cliff, the cliff in question being at the bend in the river don just below where christ church used to standin the Domesday survey it was written as Aterclive.

Carbrook is derived from saxon or celtic for a marshy or meadow stream, the carr brook ran behind the old pheasant Inn in the 18th century.

Brightside is derived from Briks ploughed land and is a very ancient village. In the time of henry VI the name was written as Brekesherth, for in a deed of that time Thomas De Furnival gave to the monks of Worksop 5 marks yearly from his mills at brekesherth. Also at this date, John Brekesherd was a plaintiff respecting lands in Sheffield, Kimberworth, Tinsley and Brinsford ( Brincliffe ). In another deed during the reign of Elizabeth I, Brightside was written as Brixard.

Thanks for the info pietro.

Originally posted by pietro
Attercliffe's Hilltop Chapel

How many people on their mad dash, to Meadowhall, realise they are passing within yards of one of Sheffields oldest buildings.

Oh I do, as mentioned in this post (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?postid=91936#post91936)

I was in the area yesterday afternoon, so I went looking for the grave of Benjamin Huntsman - it's in quite a state, after 200 years of Sheffield weather :(

As quoted by Abdul. Oh, I do

Glad to see I'm not on my own Abdul, the usual reply is "what, where".
This used to be my playground in the 1960's, when we were visiting my grandparents house in the next street.

Apart from Terry Street Rec. this was the only bit of green space around there.

I used to play there too...in the 1980s, before the SYTPE changed the 17 bus route to turn left at the top of Upwell Street to go Meadowhall, instead of going right towards town.

One dark evening, a few of us went into the chapel as a dare and I remember the biggest lad of the group promising to kill anyone who shut the door behind him.

So of course we shut it, locking him in...and ran for our lives :D

Happy days...:thumbsup:


You mention this was one of the few green spaces around, but I remember in the 1980s there was a lot more space to play in (in fact, there was so much open land, gypsies moved in with caravans!)

What happened between the 60s and the 80s to increase the amount of open space? Was it the slum clearances of Attercliffe?

Originally posted by Abdul

You mention this was one of the few green spaces around, but I remember in the 1980s there was a lot more space to play in (in fact, there was so much open land, gypsies moved in with caravans!)

What happened between the 60s and the 80s to increase the amount of open space? Was it the slum clearances of Attercliffe?

yes, abdul,

there was a lot of clearance around attercliffe, darnall, carbrook and brightside, from the late 60's through to the mid 70's
brightside and darnall went first, then the maltby street and banners vicinity (near doctor John worrall school) and that side of attercliffe, and in the early mid 70's the carbrook school side of attercliffe was razed.

This was the area my grandparents brought up my mother and her siblings. My grandpa's house was on Carltonville road, which ran parallell with terry street, one road either side of carbrook school. my grandpa's house was where the arena car-park is now.

most of the housing in that area was mid 19th century terraces (1840's to 1860/70's) built to house the steelworkers like my grandfather. most of it was very dilapidated, and had no indoor sanitation.

My grandpa's house had a big brown shallow pot sink in the offshot scullery-type kitchen, with a solitary tap, that came out of thh wall. the sink always smelled of old, stewed tea-leaves. I cannot smell tea to this day without memories of my grandpa being evoked.

I remember the missing floorboards under the oilcase (lino) on the back bedrom floor. i remember the view over grimy rooftops, to the massive sheds of the steelworks, beyond.

My aunt and uncle's first home was on fleet street, brightside. they didn't move very far from the area where my aunt was brought up.

Another aunt lived in a yard just round the back of Banners (on the "town" side) near a church or similar building which was a carpet shop in the late 60's early 70's just on the corner. (i think it was a shirland, but not Shirland Road. it stood back a ways at teh junction of two roads, behind banners..?)

PT

Hi PT, Abdul

Bring back the good old days.

My grandparents lived in Bradford Street, in a 2 up 2 down, no offshot kitchen. Somehow they managed to raise five children in the house. The house had one cold tap. a shared outside loo (whtewashed of course) with the obligatory squares of newspaper on the nail on the back of the door. In the back yard , always draped with washing, there was everthing from old bikes, motorbikes, a wringer and a chicken coop where they kept chickens, this by the way was in the mid 1960's.

I cannot remember a tin bath hanging on the wall, there must have been one somewhere, possibly in the cellar along with the coal. All the foodstuffs where kept on the cellar head, which always seeemed to have a damp smell about it.

Hanging outside, by the back door, there would be a bunch of seaweed . I know what it was for but do you.

What always struck me as a small child, was the front room. It was never ever used. It was full of the best furniture, even a square of carpet but everybody would be crammed into the back room/kitchen, especially on a Saturday afternoon to watch the wrestling or the hoss racing, as my grandad used to say.

Yes, bring back the good old days.

As quoted by PT Another aunt lived in a yard just round the back of Banners (on the "town" side) near a church or similar building which was a carpet shop in the late 60's early 70's just on the corner. (i think it was a shirland, but not Shirland Road. it stood back a ways at teh junction of two roads, behind banners..?)

Hello PT

Could this be your church?. I seem to remember in the 70's it was a carpet showroom. I may be wrong but I'm sure the sign above the door said that it was Banners Carpet Department.

I also remember the ice cream van that stood on the bottom corner, at the junction of Attercliffe Common and the fruit and veg barrow on the opposite corner.

http://www.picturesheffield.com/cgi-bin/hpac.pl?_cgifunction=form&_layout=picturesheffield&keyval=sheff.id=7970

wow, pietro,

yes, i do believe that could be the very church; the shape of the church and the junction layout both look familiar.

my aunt lived on the road that goes off to the right, a few doors down from the church.
I have seen some pictures on this archive. i never thought that there'd be a photo of that street (duh!). goodness me.

I am off back onto that site to see if there might be a picture of my mum's old street on there.

PT

Many thanks for your contributions, PT and Pietro

My family lived on Fitzmaurice Road in Darnall at the time of my birth (mid 1970s), but moved to Firth Park within the year. The new house had three bedrooms, a bathroom, an attic and a garden, making it ideal for my parents and their three children (my father loved gardening and still does). Many of my parents' friends chose to stay in the area, and were provided with council houses on the Uttley Road estate, just off Worksop Road.

My dad and my grandfather, both steelworkers, tell me there was no bathroom at the old house, so once a week they'd go to the old Attercliffe swimming pool (by the Don Valley Stadium) and pay a fee of something like one and-a-half shillings for a bath, inclusive of soap and towel.

Yes, Otter Cliff it was. A quite literal meaning much like Salmon Pastures............takes you back to the days when a law stated that there was a limit to the number of days that an apprentice could be fed Salmon.
Anyone seen that old photo of Attercliffe which shows a woman standing outside an ancient country cottage..incredible.

Can anyone shed any light on where the area name 'Atlas' originates from? Its always intrigued me.

And for those that don't know where it is its kind of past The Wicker, fork right and down that way a bit. You've probably passed through it going to Meadowhell.

Hi Barra

The area known as Atlas, just through the Wicker and extending down Saville Street and Carlisle Street, came about from the steelworks of John Brown & co. These works where set up in the 1860's.

Try the link below for more info.

http://www.tilthammer.com/bio/brown.html

hi there fala
I believe Attercliffe derived frome the word Ottercliffe where Otters used to thrive along the river Don as were salmon hence the name salmon pastures. As for carbrook there is a brook that runs underneath the area and on worksop road one can see a little of it near the aqueduct as for brightside I have no idea hope this little snippet helps

hi does anyone remember he keenan family they lived on ripon street during the 50 and 60s

hi does anyone remember he keenan family they lived on ripon street during the 50 and 60s
A few thoughts
I always was told it was from Ottercliff
There were masses of green spaces there in the 50's, we played by the canal and in Tinsley Park Woods, a huge area of adventure with 'mountains' (slag heaps) Lakes (the miners baths) and wonderful secret areas that we called Islands, but they were actually copses, but it was nature in the raw, there were foxes (wolves) and loads of rabbits, there were even real lizards, and false ones in the 'newt pond' that dad showed us, we used to catch newts there every year and fishermen would fish for Bream, and on a hot day you would see them swimming like sharks with their dorsal fins out of the water. Does no one else remember this? Attercliffe was close to nature, we never thought of it as slum dwelling.
And if you wanted a change you could just get the circular bus round to Rivelin or Redmires for threepence, Sheffield in the 50's was never a place where you could not escape the slums.

We left Attercliffe in 1952 and I can't remember it being close to nature in those days. Wasn't Atlas one of the ancient Greek or Roman gods who was supposed to carry the world on his shoulders? That's why a book of maps is called an atlas.

Hi Pietro

I was told that from seaweed you could tell whether it was going to rain or not.
hazel

plain talker

its shirland lane i lived for a couple of years on chinley st in the late 1970s it came off shirland lane used to walk down it when i went down cliffe.

hi does anyone remember he keenan family they lived on ripon street during the 50 and 60s
yes i lived in ripon st name travis grans name roddis we lived at 195

hi does anyone remember he keenan family they lived on ripon street during the 50 and 60s
yes i can remember we live d at 195 ripon st my name travis gran name roddis her sons name tommy is mums name dot

hi yes thats right well im married to tommy keenan

can any one remember dog and partridge on cliff in 1976 on

dog and partridge robin hood

For info on Attercliffe and its environs see "Anyone here from Attercliffe" on this website.
Re the Carbrook Hall pub. I was born on Dunlop St in 1940 and I never heard of a haunting at the pub. As usual it is probably all just modern spin to increase trade.

For info on Attercliffe and its environs see "Anyone here from Attercliffe" on this website.
Re the Carbrook Hall pub. I was born on Dunlop St in 1940 and I never heard of a haunting at the pub. As usual it is probably all just modern spin to increase trade.

I was born at 5 Webster Street December 1940. My grandmother and family lived next door at 7 Webster Street. Albert Bruces´s shop was on the corner of Dunlop Street and Webster Street. Jumping over the wall I could reach my other Grandmother´s who lived in the court houses off Bright Street.
My family lived in this area until demolition. I attended Carbrook C of E School until 1951,Mr.Casley was head teacher. I have read and also been told of the hautings in the Carbrook Hall.

Hi All
Just reading all the posts of attercliffe and the naming.I too was born on Chippingham St and went to Huntsman Garden School.Just starting to research the history of Benjamin Huntsman and how the streets were formed for another youtube .
please take a look at my youtube project

thanks

Andy M

I was born in Brightside in the early 30s, and wondered most of my life how it could have possibly got that name. It was certainly less than bright when every mill chimney spewed soot all over it. But it was populated by wonderful people, many of them of the Taylor clan to which I belong. My father was the youngest of ten children all of whom lived in Brightside. They have sent their sons and daughters to every corner of the English speaking world for they knew no other language and cared less for any other.

Does anyone know the origin of the names Attercliffe, Carbrook and Brightside?


I think that "atter" is a corruption of "Otter" and it may be that otters lived in the Don and were hunted.

I always believed that the atter part was a corruption of "at the"

hi yes thats right well im married to tommy keenan

HI i used to be married to daved keenan he had a brother called phil who died few years back another brother called Ian and 4 sisters michelle anita kathleen and christain she also died there mother was mary and father was william (now dead),They had a uncle paddy they was painter & decorators They had a cusion called tommy and I think a brother called paul.Tommy was married to a girl i went to school with but I belive she committed suicide some 24 years or so ago.

Hi fellow forummers - hope you all had a good Xmas!

As for the origins of Attercliffe, you might be intersted to look at the "Where's the 'Cliffe' in Attercliffe" thread started a couple of weeks ago.

Ateclive is mentioned in the Domesday book and means 'at the cliff'.

Otter's cliffe seems to come from a misguided entry in Wikipedia which has since been edited by some of our fellow forummers, rightly so.

Brightside comes from 'Brigets Hearth' .

I would like to know the origins of Darnall?

BillyWhiz

I came across this page on GENUKI.

www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/Transcriptions/WRY/SheffieldDescription12.html

Very interesting.

I would like to know the origins of Darnall?

BillyWhiz

maybe the lord of the manor had a load of pairs of socks, with holes in? :hihi:

Good one Plain Talker!!!!!!!!

Hi Everyone!
Just finished reading one of my Christmas presents - A History of Sheffield by David Hey.
In it, he says of ancient Anglo-Saxon place names "Other early names were derived from natural features in the landscape. The first element in Attercliffe seems to be from a shortened form of personal name, such as Aethelred. The cliff has gone, for it was levelled in Victorian times when the river was diverted and Sanderson's steel works was built on the site. Carbrook meant 'the stream in the marsh', Darnall's name referred to 'a secluded land in a nook on a boundary', and Brightside was a sixteenth-century attempt to make sense of the older name Brekeshersh, which is recorded in a variety of spellings from the twelfth century onwards ..."
Hope this helps!
Joe

maybe the lord of the manor had a load of pairs of socks, with holes in? :hihi:

Happy new year Plain Talker..It's good to know that you're just as mad as the rest of us.:hihi:

BillyWhiz

Hi There can anyone remember Mike Mathews lived on
Baltic Road Attercliffe 1940's

can any one remember dog and partridge on cliff in 1976 on

yes tony we remember the dog and partridge robin hood can you remember any travellers who used to go in there jimmy cawley

i was brought up in bright street went to carbrook cofe till 1959 i was married at carbrook church 1962 i was brought up by my grandparents and i do remember my grandad saying that attercliffe come from the ottercliffe but can t remember if he gave a reason why

Pietro

Just as a matter of interest, my ancestors the Terry's owned the farm at the end of the now Terry Street.

In the mid 19th century they signed a contract with the council to dump night soil from the city onto the land which was later to become the Carbrook Rec.

The farmhouse was called Belle Vue.

If anyone has any information or knows where I can find any information on this house I would be grateful.

PopT

As a child living in Attercliffe I was told that the name Attercliffe has something to do with snakes living on the cliff as 'atter' is old English for poison (or poisonous). I was reminded of this after reading that in old English 'attercob' refers to spiders which had venonmous bites.

Hi PT, Abdul

Bring back the good old days.

My grandparents lived in Bradford Street, in a 2 up 2 down, no offshot kitchen. Somehow they managed to raise five children in the house. The house had one cold tap. a shared outside loo (whtewashed of course) with the obligatory squares of newspaper on the nail on the back of the door. In the back yard , always draped with washing, there was everthing from old bikes, motorbikes, a wringer and a chicken coop where they kept chickens, this by the way was in the mid 1960's.

I cannot remember a tin bath hanging on the wall, there must have been one somewhere, possibly in the cellar along with the coal. All the foodstuffs where kept on the cellar head, which always seeemed to have a damp smell about it.

Hanging outside, by the back door, there would be a bunch of seaweed . I know what it was for but do you.

What always struck me as a small child, was the front room. It was never ever used. It was full of the best furniture, even a square of carpet but everybody would be crammed into the back room/kitchen, especially on a Saturday afternoon to watch the wrestling or the hoss racing, as my grandad used to say.

Yes, bring back the good old days.

I don't know if anybody else answered you question regarding the bunch of seaweed but I always thought it was a sort of weather forcaster. If it was dry, it was sunny, if it was moist, it was raining. Jimmy Tarbuck always said that if it was white, it was snowing.

As a child living in Attercliffe I was told that the name Attercliffe has something to do with snakes living on the cliff as 'atter' is old English for poison (or poisonous). I was reminded of this after reading that in old English 'attercob' refers to spiders which had venonmous bites.

Think you'll find it was more likely Otter cliff, fit's in with Salmon pastures don't you think....

The 'cliffe' of Attercliffe can be seen in this old print of Christ Church. It has mostly disappeared now due to erosion and development but was formed, probably thousands of years ago, when the bend in the river there was several hundred yards further south than it is now.

http://www.picturesheffield.com/cgi-bin/zoom.pl?picture=http://www.picturesheffield.com/jpgh/s11669.jpg

The name is first recorded in the Domesday book and at that time the cliff would have been a prominent feature of the landscape.

There is another old print, before the church was built, that gives a better impression of this 'cliffe' but Picture Sheffield seems not to have a copy.

The 'cliffe' of Attercliffe can be seen in this old print of Christ Church. It has mostly disappeared now due to erosion and development but was formed, probably thousands of years ago, when the bend in the river there was several hundred yards further south than it is now.

http://www.picturesheffield.com/cgi-bin/zoom.pl?picture=http://www.picturesheffield.com/jpgh/s11669.jpg

The name is first recorded in the Domesday book and at that time the cliff would have been a prominent feature of the landscape.

There is another old print, before the church was built, that gives a better impression of this 'cliffe' but Picture Sheffield seems not to have a copy.

I was led to believe that the cliffe was opposite Banners behind Otter Street,
Baker Street falling away down to Stevenson Road, .
Physical evidence seems to bear this out. Just off of Stevenson Road behind a company call Universal the units are on a much higher level nearer the Banners side and behind the Universal warehouse there is an actual "cliffe" face although it is covered in concrete in many places.
This also could have been the old course of the Don as it was semi culverted through Attercliffe.
It also looks as though it could well have been the site shown on the picture of the church.
I'd be interested to hear any comments on this theory

That's about right Odd-jobs. If you look a Google satellite view you can see the curved boundary of the Christ Church burial ground and the end of Burgess street that was the ancient bank of the river.

http://www.earthtools.org/index.php?x=-1.4341342449188232&y=53.39657286823954&z=17&t=1&m=Hybrid

But I think you're mistaken about the Don being culverted...where ?

Cheers for that Greybeard.
With regard to the culverting, I probably used the wrong term. I was referring to the sections where it was channelled as in the section between Stevenson Road and Newhall Road, I presume that when this was done it actually diverted the river away from the "Cliffe"

That Google map shows the ancient river bank. The river had moved a little further north before the re-channeling took place, I believe around 1860-1870. I'm a bit hazy about the date but it was part of a failed scheme to canalise the river up to the Wicker.

If you look on the large scale 1905 OS map you can see the three phases of the river channel there.

i think i know tommy sure he and his brothers used to drink in the wicker

any relation to terry travis from southey

can you remember the gunstand and rose hill we used toi go there to pick bluebells there was also a slack yard we used to get in big trouble going in there

i used to have a friend whose mum carol parks had the pub for a while and i used to sleep there i never saw anything