HOWARD Wilkinson has revealed that Sheffield Wednesday are attempting to emulate the business model of Blades chairman Kevin McCabe, as the search for investment continues.


Over to you.............

Over to you.............

Let's just hope we can go one better than you lot on the last bit and actually have some success.

Well you couldn’t be any worse 3 play offs and lost them all.:(

Im lost here??????????????
Oh im with you now, ours is 100% lol.

i think he meant utd have played in 3 playoff finals and lost them all, not us

How's thing's Dave you going on Saturday mate, it seem's ages since the last Wednesday match.

yea, seems like ages ago.things are same as usual lol. no im working saturday:( they have been kind enough to give me the 18th off though, so looks like i'll be at the pub for that unless i can somehow get a ticket for the away end but i doubt that will happen lol

as long as the players dont start copying Paddy we will be ok

as long as the players dont start copying Paddy we will be ok

:hihi: :hihi: Thats got to be one of the best posts youve made :hihi: :hihi:

Thats saying something, seeing that youve got over 50,000.................... :rolleyes:

they've got to pay 22m debt off first to be same as us, how can they talk of renovating hillsboro with all that debt, the club is a joke apart from brian laws who i actually think is a half decent manager, keep up the good work mr strafford, he just cant help jumping the gun and opening his big gob can he.

as long as the players dont start copying Paddy we will be ok

There's nowt wrong with Paddy's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOZHwWFjb30

they've got to pay 22m debt off first to be same as us, how can they talk of renovating hillsboro with all that debt, the club is a joke apart from brian laws who i actually think is a half decent manager, keep up the good work mr strafford, he just cant help jumping the gun and opening his big gob can he.

Ever thought the extra boxes, hospitality space, learning and business space may just bring in a lot more moolah each year? A lot more moolah in fact, which in turn can be used to better the playing squad and get into the Premiership, where we can pay the debt off. Though with the current squad there's no reason why we can't get to the premiership in the near future, before we see the income generated from these new developments.

where u gonna get the money from, your 25m in debt now, another 22-25m to renovate the ground, thats about 50m in debt, i really wish sheffield could have 2 big premiership clubs with 2 brilliant stadiums, it's a pipe dream conjured up by mr straffords head and blurted out with his massive gob, private boxes and hospitality aint gonna pay for your current debt, unless you get an oil tycoon amongst the investors no one else is gonna pump that sort of money into an already debt crippled club...end of...!!!

Ever thought the extra boxes, hospitality space, learning and business space may just bring in a lot more moolah each year? A lot more moolah in fact, which in turn can be used to better the playing squad and get into the Premiership, where we can pay the debt off. Though with the current squad there's no reason why we can't get to the premiership in the near future, before we see the income generated from these new developments.

Wednesday might have had a blessing in disguise in the end having nowt, Tudgay 150 game's is spot on, Woody has played a few now, we have a squad what have been together a while and they know each other, United have had nothing but player after player after player.
You need to have stability in the dressing room.

Wednesday might have had a blessing in disguise in the end having nowt, Tudgay 150 game's is spot on, Woody has played a few now, we have a squad what have been together a while and they know each other, United have had nothing but player after player after player.
You need to have stability in the dressing room.

True but i would'nt say player after player after player, what happens if injuries set in for you lot? in my opinion ya gonna be scr**ed.

You know what saddens me most though? you'll still end up beating us...lol...:hihi:

Wednesday might have had a blessing in disguise in the end having nowt, Tudgay 150 game's is spot on, Woody has played a few now, we have a squad what have been together a while and they know each other, United have had nothing but player after player after player.
You need to have stability in the dressing room.

Doesn't that just mean that other teams don't think they are good enough to offer money for, or won't pay any of your asking prices?

as long as the players dont start copying Paddy we will be ok

No - they can follow Jeffers' lead instead...

where u gonna get the money from, your 25m in debt now, another 22-25m to renovate the ground, thats about 50m in debt, i really wish sheffield could have 2 big premiership clubs with 2 brilliant stadiums, it's a pipe dream conjured up by mr straffords head and blurted out with his massive gob, private boxes and hospitality aint gonna pay for your current debt, unless you get an oil tycoon amongst the investors no one else is gonna pump that sort of money into an already debt crippled club...end of...!!!

We won't be £50m in debt. The ground is being funded through government grants and increased revenue and investment will fund the rest.

they've got to pay 22m debt off first to be same as us, how can they talk of renovating hillsboro with all that debt, the club is a joke apart from brian laws who i actually think is a half decent manager, keep up the good work mr strafford, he just cant help jumping the gun and opening his big gob can he.

maybe we can get promotion to prem for 1 season then have 2 years of parachute payments to pay off our debt too

Over to you.............

Can't think that investing in Chinese and Hungarian teams is a good business model.

Anbody able to name a half decent Hungarian international since the likes of Bene, Albert, Farkas and Meszoly in 1966 - thats 43 years ago. Add another 10 years or so for Puskas era.

McCabe might be a good businessman but his knowledge of football seems to date from old Charles Buchan annuals.

Can't think that investing in Chinese and Hungarian teams is a good business model.

Anbody able to name a half decent Hungarian international since the likes of Bene, Albert, Farkas and Meszoly in 1966 - thats 43 years ago. Add another 10 years or so for Puskas era.

McCabe might be a good businessman but his knowledge of football seems to date from old Charles Buchan annuals.

To be fair to McCabe, Ferencvaros are the biggest team in Hungary and Chengdu has a massive population. I very much doubt he's invested in these clubs based on quality of player. There's a massive fanbase in both cities to tap into.

All I keep hearing from Wednesday fan's is the government is going to pay for these improvements, could you please show me where it actually says in black and white from a government source that they will pay for these improvements.

In all cases where the government usually funds projects the club has to find at least half of the money where are you going to find £11 million from never mind if no funding is coming your way.

I can just imagine the builders saying no need to pay us until the boxes are sold and the investment comes in

Dream on

Up the Blades

I personally want to see the Owls and the Blades going neck to neck at the upper end of the division. Some blades are upset that their period of superiority is coming to an end, but forget that these things are cyclical. We had the neck end if the 1960's, Utd had the 1970's (other than for a certain game in 1979), we had most of the 1980's and all of the 1990's, albeit that the blades did the double over us in the season when we came third in the first tier of English football.

In the last 30 years we have had one 6 years and one 9 years stint in the top division (not a lot to shout about), Utd have had one 4 years stint and one single season in the top division (nowt to shout about). We are coming out of the darkness, and you blades know it, you have had many opportunities to prove that you are a top club, and have blown them all. Using Wednesday as a comparison when we are skint, and until of late, completely rudderless, is really daft, you were unable to hack it with the big lads, now move over guys, the Owls want their place back. ;)

I personally want to see the Owls and the Blades going neck to neck at the upper end of the division. Some blades are upset that their period of superiority is coming to an end, but forget that these things are cyclical. We had the neck end if the 1960's, Utd had the 1970's (other than for a certain game in 1979), we had most of the 1980's and all of the 1990's, albeit that the blades did the double over us in the season when we came third in the first tier of English football.

In the last 30 years we have had one 6 years and one 9 years stint in the top division (not a lot to shout about), Utd have had one 4 years stint and one single season in the top division (nowt to shout about). We are coming out of the darkness, and you blades know it, you have had many opportunities to prove that you are a top club, and have blown them all. Using Wednesday as a comparison when we are skint, and until of late, completely rudderless, is really daft, you were unable to hack it with the big lads, now move over guys, the Owls want their place back. ;)

Just need the goverment to fund you and the players to do it now eh?:)

To be fair to McCabe, Ferencvaros are the biggest team in Hungary and Chengdu has a massive population. I very much doubt he's invested in these clubs based on quality of player. There's a massive fanbase in both cities to tap into.

Yep I think that’s the idea the clue is in the OP:-

HOWARD Wilkinson has revealed that Sheffield Wednesday are attempting to emulate the business model of Blades chairman Kevin McCabe, as the search for investment continues.

business model and investment, no mention of players .

Just need the goverment to fund you and the players to do it now eh?:)

Do you mean this government? SWFC are in better financial fettle than that hapless shower.

To be fair to McCabe, Ferencvaros are the biggest team in Hungary and Chengdu has a massive population. I very much doubt he's invested in these clubs based on quality of player. There's a massive fanbase in both cities to tap into.

So the good citizens of Budapest and Chengdu are going to spend their hard earned on Blades merchandise when they can choose Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, Juventus, both Milans, Real Madrid, Barca etc etc.

I don't think so.

So the good citizens of Budapest and Chengdu are going to spend their hard earned on Blades merchandise when they can choose Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, Juventus, both Milans, Real Madrid, Barca etc etc.

I don't think so.

They are not going to spend on Blades merchandise but they will spend on Chengdu Blades or Ferencvaros and when the Blades eventually get premiership status there is a home market ready and waiting.

So the good citizens of Budapest and Chengdu are going to spend their hard earned on Blades merchandise when they can choose Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, Juventus, both Milans, Real Madrid, Barca etc etc.

I don't think so.

Bit of a weak argument there, longcol.
Don't you think that the citizens of Budapest or Chengdu are capable of showing loyalty to their local team ?
Does that mean that either set of Sheffield fans secretly prefer the teams you mention to their own ?

I don't think so.

They are not going to spend on Blades merchandise but they will spend on Chengdu Blades or Ferencvaros and when the Blades eventually get premiership status there is a home market ready and waiting.

Premiership status is far from a guarantee of being able to market abroad. That needs a club to be regularly successful at European level.

On recent holidays abroad have seen loads of places with Man U, Real, Barca, Juve shirts for sale - but for instance no Villa never mind the likes of Bolton etc.

Premiership status is far from a guarantee of being able to market abroad. That needs a club to be regularly successful at European level.

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That’s probably because you have been to main stream holiday resorts now imagine you went to Chengdu and the Blades were in the premiership don’t you think there would be local interest.

I don’t know about Hungary but China is a huge untapped market when it comes to football.
That’s probably because you have been to main stream holiday resorts now imagine you went to Chengdu and the Blades were in the premiership don’t you think there would be local interest.

I don’t know about Hungary but China is a huge untapped market when it comes to football.

http://en.sufc.com.cn/

That’s probably because you have been to main stream holiday resorts now imagine you went to Chengdu and the Blades were in the premiership don’t you think there would be local interest.



No - same as anywhere else they'd be interested in the top sides who are on the telly regularly - only time they'd be interested in the Blades (or Villa for that matter) would be against Man U, Liverpool and possibly Chelsea and Arsenal. It is who is on TV that counts - hence the talk (again) about a European League.

No - same as anywhere else they'd be interested in the top sides who are on the telly regularly - only time they'd be interested in the Blades (or Villa for that matter) would be against Man U, Liverpool and possibly Chelsea and Arsenal. It is who is on TV that counts - hence the talk (again) about a European League.

So when we signed Sun Jihai it was just coincidental that all the oriental students turned up.

No - same as anywhere else they'd be interested in the top sides who are on the telly regularly - only time they'd be interested in the Blades (or Villa for that matter) would be against Man U, Liverpool and possibly Chelsea and Arsenal. It is who is on TV that counts - hence the talk (again) about a European League.

You might not like United, but come on, you can't say it's not a good thing McCabe has done purchasing these two clubs. If fans from Budapest and Chengdu were to start supporting an english side, United will at least be an attractive option for them now.

So when we signed Sun Jihai it was just coincidental that all the oriental students turned up.

My son spent a month travelling around China, he told me that the locals were glued to the screen when ever one of theirs was playing for any UK team.

All I keep hearing from Wednesday fan's is the government is going to pay for these improvements, could you please show me where it actually says in black and white from a government source that they will pay for these improvements.

In all cases where the government usually funds projects the club has to find at least half of the money where are you going to find £11 million from never mind if no funding is coming your way.

I can just imagine the builders saying no need to pay us until the boxes are sold and the investment comes in

Dream on

Up the Blades

Come on pal, a lot of people keep poo pooing these ground improvements just for the sake of it. The funding for this will have been sorted my Strafford and Nick Parker. Obviously you've never heard of the government funding community projects, of which this is a big part in Hillsborough's redevelopment. They've held discussions with Sheffield Uni and Sheffield Hallam, as well as schools and business', who've all been supportive of the scheme.

You might not like United, but come on, you can't say it's not a good thing McCabe has done purchasing these two clubs. If fans from Budapest and Chengdu were to start supporting an english side, United will at least be an attractive option for them now.

If I was a Blade I'd rather money was spent on strengthening the team rather than speculative spending abroad. Why would the Blades be an attractive option - they won't be on the telly enough - ever noticed who features most on Italian games and Spanish games shown over here?

If I was a Blade I'd rather money was spent on strengthening the team rather than speculative spending abroad. Why would the Blades be an attractive option - they won't be on the telly enough - ever noticed who features most on Italian games and Spanish games shown over here?

Well, when you're a multi millionaire like McCabe, then I'll listen to you.

He obviously sees it as a worthwhile calculated gamble and, looking at his financial situation, and assuming that you are a working man with a normal kind of income, I'd be more inclined to believe what he says.

Well, when you're a multi millionaire like McCabe, then I'll listen to you.

He obviously sees it as a worthwhile calculated gamble and, looking at his financial situation, and assuming that you are a working man with a normal kind of income, I'd be more inclined to believe what he says.

This is the same McCabe who appointed Bryan Robson I take it :hihi::hihi:

This is the same McCabe who appointed Bryan Robson I take it :hihi::hihi:

An appointment which probably made James Beattie's mind up to join us.

Besides, I thought it would have been a Board decision, not just one man's.

An appointment which probably made James Beattie's mind up to join us.

Besides, I thought it would have been a Board decision, not just one man's.

An appointment that set you back a couple of seasons at least.

I've no doubts about McCabes ability in the construction industry - but some of his footballing decisions appear somewhat naive.

An appointment that set you back a couple of seasons at least.

I've no doubts about McCabes ability in the construction industry - but some of his footballing decisions appear somewhat naive.

No one knows why he made that decision, only him. But I have faith in him and, until he does to us what Wednesday had done to them, then I have no reason to doubt what he's doing for us is for the best.

Wednesday's only feasible escape from financial problems is promotion to the Premiership.
End of.

Wednesday's only feasible escape from financial problems is promotion to the Premiership.
End of.

Nothing like being straight to the point. :thumbsup:

Wednesday's only feasible escape from financial problems is promotion to the Premiership.
End of.

But will that be an escape? Teams going up have to take a huge gamble in one of a few ways.

A team goes up, gets the money and uses it on their debts, then they have limited funds for players. In which case you can strengthen to a point, but would it be enough to maintain a Prem place? If not, you come straight back down, have all of your good players nicked off you and you end up with only a small debt, but your squad is ripped apart and you have to rebuild, which means there's the chance of doing a Charlton etc.

Alternatively, you hope that you generate enough money from season ticket and single game ticket sales, which means you have the chance to invest in a couple of top quality players on high wages. It doesn't pay off, you get relegated and still have a big debt. Then you have to sell your best players etc. etc.

But will that be an escape? Teams going up have to take a huge gamble in one of a few ways.

A team goes up, gets the money and uses it on their debts, then they have limited funds for players. In which case you can strengthen to a point, but would it be enough to maintain a Prem place? If not, you come straight back down, have all of your good players nicked off you and you end up with only a small debt, but your squad is ripped apart and you have to rebuild, which means there's the chance of doing a Charlton etc.

Alternatively, you hope that you generate enough money from season ticket and single game ticket sales, which means you have the chance to invest in a couple of top quality players on high wages. It doesn't pay off, you get relegated and still have a big debt. Then you have to sell your best players etc. etc.

it would benefit wednesday to not really spend much if we ever went up, just play with what we've got and put all the money in clearing most of the debt. if we went down the chances are that there wont be a big rush for our players unless there was a few that really stood out and if they were the players that took us up you would think they wouldn't request a transfer but doing that the fans wouldn't be happy with the lack of ambition

So 24 hours and not one Owl can show me where it says that the government is going to pay for these improvements its all pie in the sky.

The government is not going to give you two brass farthings, the FA are not gloing to pay for it they has just lost there bigget sponsor in e-on so no just dream on as the Blades march on

But will that be an escape? Teams going up have to take a huge gamble in one of a few ways.

A team goes up, gets the money and uses it on their debts, then they have limited funds for players. In which case you can strengthen to a point, but would it be enough to maintain a Prem place? If not, you come straight back down, have all of your good players nicked off you and you end up with only a small debt, but your squad is ripped apart and you have to rebuild, which means there's the chance of doing a Charlton etc.

Alternatively, you hope that you generate enough money from season ticket and single game ticket sales, which means you have the chance to invest in a couple of top quality players on high wages. It doesn't pay off, you get relegated and still have a big debt. Then you have to sell your best players etc. etc.

There's very little chance of us holding on to a Prem place should we get there in the near future, but the millstone will be removed from our neck, and we can then make a better fist of things.
Daft as it sounds, going in to even bigger debt to achieve promotion is probably the best way forward...... if we could find a few quid from somewhere!

So 24 hours and not one Owl can show me where it says that the government is going to pay for these improvements its all pie in the sky.

The government is not going to give you two brass farthings, the FA are not gloing to pay for it they has just lost there bigget sponsor in e-on so no just dream on as the Blades march on

Strafford knows where it's coming from and we have to believe what he is telling us.
I don't think anyone on this footie forum is qualified, or clued up enough to know what is, or isn't available.
The money may come in, it may not, we'll all just have to wait.

So 24 hours and not one Owl can show me where it says that the government is going to pay for these improvements its all pie in the sky.

The government is not going to give you two brass farthings, the FA are not gloing to pay for it they has just lost there bigget sponsor in e-on so no just dream on as the Blades march on

Well obviously the FA won't pay for it. Yes Wednesday would pay architects to come up with an extension and renovation to the ground, put in a Planning Application and not know where funding is coming from! The government will and are paying for the community aspects.