I've seen a lot of Wing Chun clips on uTube lately. My question is: are there any MMA fighters or kickboxers (internationally, nationally or locally) with an original background in Wing Chun that anyone knows of?

I've seen a lot of Wing Chun clips on uTube lately. My question is: are there any MMA fighters or kickboxers (internationally, nationally or locally) with an original background in Wing Chun that anyone knows of?

Bruce Lee???

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That's why I asked the question. Although BL made it look good in demos, as far as I'm aware he never actually competed. I guess my question is, does Wing Chun work in a real fight? It looks good in demos but then so do most martial arts.

Sami Berik.

That's why I asked the question. Although BL made it look good in demos, as far as I'm aware he never actually competed. I guess my question is, does Wing Chun work in a real fight? It looks good in demos but then so do most martial arts.

Lions are stronger than monkeys.

I've seen a lot of Wing Chun clips on uTube lately. My question is: are there any MMA fighters or kickboxers (internationally, nationally or locally) with an original background in Wing Chun that anyone knows of?

There is a clip on Youtube from UFC2 I believe (when the UFC was more style vs style) of a Wing Chun stylist. In summary, WC guy takes up traditional stance and hand position, other fighter runs across octagon, double leg takedown then vicious ground and pound. Ten seconds later WC guy out cold !
Draw your own conclusions.:D

That's why I asked the question. Although BL made it look good in demos, as far as I'm aware he never actually competed. I guess my question is, does Wing Chun work in a real fight? It looks good in demos but then so do most martial arts.
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Just because you have learnt to fight in a ring does not mean you can fight on the streets, decide what you want from martial arts. If you want to learn how to fight in a real life or death situation fast, then you learn, Wing chun, or many various forms of Gong fu...aka kung fu...or learn Muay Thai defence techniques, or Krav maga, or street self defence started my an ex Royal marine.
If you have the luxury of time, then learn Aikido or Wadu Ryu, or Ti chi chuan traditional style.
If you want to learn MMA then dont do a traditional style. I know many champion fighters who kick ass in the ring but can bnot fight on the street. On the street there are no rules bub ;), and no ref !!!

There is a clip on Youtube from UFC2 I believe (when the UFC was more style vs style) of a Wing Chun stylist. In summary, WC guy takes up traditional stance and hand position, other fighter runs across octagon, double leg takedown then vicious ground and pound. Ten seconds later WC guy out cold !

or is that because the WC lad hadnt been in that situation before?
i know some WC people that are good in a one on one with a mma

That's why I asked the question. Although BL made it look good in demos, as far as I'm aware he never actually competed. I guess my question is, does Wing Chun work in a real fight? It looks good in demos but then so do most martial arts.

No, SiSiSi asked the question. Whoops. :P

No, SiSiSi asked the question. Whoops. :P

Hang on , does that mean that you are implying that Overseer and SiSi are one and the same??? :o

I'm also RobbyBrown! bub bub bub bub. Please don't.

Even when I'm on the wind-up my posts are coherent! Don't confuse me with that nutter, I'm offended.

av a look at emin boztepe. he was in discussions with ufc when it first started out, when gracie was winning things with ease. He didnt take part because of the fact that there are rules to it. He wanted to use standard techniques that would show the strength of wing chun styles, like eye gauges etc...the things that can make it too hostile for competitions. needless to say....the challenge from boztepe was regected.

av a look at emin boztepe. he was in discussions with ufc when it first started out, when gracie was winning things with ease. He didnt take part because of the fact that there are rules to it. He wanted to use standard techniques that would show the strength of wing chun styles, like eye gauges etc...the things that can make it too hostile for competitions. needless to say....the challenge from boztepe was regected.

Emin Boztepe was a dangerous guy on street level too. I hear he walked into a Taekwondo Dojang and KO'd the instructor in front of all his students and also that he walked into a Wing Tsun seminar and beat up on Willian Chung who was teaching the seminar.

Sounds like a street fighter/ common street thug to me and not a martial artist.
There is a big difference Im afraid and I'm sure that most martial artists on this thread will share the same opinion.

Emin Boztepe was a dangerous guy on street level too. I hear he walked into a Taekwondo Dojang and KO'd the instructor in front of all his students and also that he walked into a Wing Tsun seminar and beat up on Willian Chung who was teaching the seminar.

Sounds like a street fighter/ common street thug to me and not a martial artist.
There is a big difference Im afraid and I'm sure that most martial artists on this thread will share the same opinion.

totally agree. think he has calmed down as hes got older, but he made mistakes when he was young. the william chung fight was after chung had been disrespectfull to boztepe's sifu, saying that he produced crap fighters.....bet he wish he hadnt said that!
each style has something to offer others, and no one style is better than the other....its down to the student. what chung did was out of order, and not what matrial arts is about, but then neither was boztepe's reaction.
respecting others styles is one of the key features of mma, and what has made it so successfull.
the problem with wing chun is that it cant be shown at its most destructive in the mma arena.

Even when I'm on the wind-up my posts are coherent! Don't confuse me with that nutter, I'm offended.

Ahhhh my dear little Sisisi ....do we have to use verbal designations of one syllable when posting on the forum bub, so that you can keep up bub???:hihi: Peace :love: unity.

totally agree. think he has calmed down as hes got older, but he made mistakes when he was young. the william chung fight was after chung had been disrespectfull to boztepe's sifu, saying that he produced crap fighters.....bet he wish he hadnt said that!
each style has something to offer others, and no one style is better than the other....its down to the student. what chung did was out of order, and not what matrial arts is about, but then neither was boztepe's reaction.
respecting others styles is one of the key features of mma, and what has made it so successfull.
the problem with wing chun is that it cant be shown at its most destructive in the mma arena.

In traditional Chinese culture, if you offend the sifu, this term means elder, teacher, father, mother, leader, master etc, then it falls up on the shoulders of the students, children etc, to defend the sifus honor. So the chap in question is merely sticking to traditions. Like pikies , aka gypsies, if u offend their family then u better be prepared to fight, or your family loses respect honor, face in their eyes.
So now that you know this aspect of Chinese culture I hope you view his actions with new eyes, the other guy was asking for it saying, what with him being Chinese, it was to be expected bubs :D

There are two syllables in 'nutter'. Please don't tell them at your trial that I was one of the voices in your head.

There are two syllables in 'nutter'. Please don't tell them at your trial that I was one of the voices in your head.

SiSiSi
Are you and Overseer linked in any way shape or form?
I know that RobbyBrown is quite close to yourself.

There are two syllables in 'nutter'. Please don't tell them at your trial that I was one of the voices in your head.

Awww baby...have I gone and got you all upset dear....I am so sorry dear...there there, let me just get u another dummy and a bib. There u go dear all better now :D:D:D

There is a clip on Youtube from UFC2 I believe (when the UFC was more style vs style) of a Wing Chun stylist. In summary, WC guy takes up traditional stance and hand position, other fighter runs across octagon, double leg takedown then vicious ground and pound. Ten seconds later WC guy out cold !
Draw your own conclusions.:D

Yes but wouldn't a grappler do that to any stand-up fighter, regardless of the stle?

I meant style. Don't you just hate it when that happens?

Doesnt reflect on the style bub. There is a 40 year old guy, who has a good rep for K.O from stand-up fighting, a lot from 1 punch lol, he has been up against a lot of grapplers, most of whom are skilled in Gracie Jujitsu....( like most MMA peeps now days)....does this mean that Gracie Jujitsu is ineffective because this guy knocks them out??? No of course not, now use your intelligence and realize that just because a wing chun pratictioner gets K.O does not reflect on the style, only that fighter....sounds like a poor specimen to me bub :D...All martial arts have somethng to offer bub, u train hard and understand, u get a lot back for that time and energy u have invested bub ;).

Yes but wouldn't a grappler do that to any stand-up fighter, regardless of the stle?

It does proberbly depend more on the fighter rather than the style.

Emin Boztepe was a dangerous guy on street level too. I hear he walked into a Taekwondo Dojang and KO'd the instructor in front of all his students and also that he walked into a Wing Tsun seminar and beat up on Willian Chung who was teaching the seminar.

Sounds like a street fighter/ common street thug to me and not a martial artist.
There is a big difference Im afraid and I'm sure that most martial artists on this thread will share the same opinion.

The Boztepe/William Cheung thing is/was on youtbue - it looked very similar to too schoolboys rolling around in the playground - not their finest hour (hopefully!)

av a look at emin boztepe. he was in discussions with ufc when it first started out, when gracie was winning things with ease. He didnt take part because of the fact that there are rules to it. He wanted to use standard techniques that would show the strength of wing chun styles, like eye gauges etc...the things that can make it too hostile for competitions. needless to say....the challenge from boztepe was regected.


There is a clip on youtube of some kung fu guy (not neccessarily wing chun though), who semed to think that eye gouging and other techniques that are banned from mma events would make a difference. I'm not saying they wouldn't, but in that particular instance he gets armlocked by a bjj blackbelt, and although the clip comes to an end at that point, it appears his arm gets broken.

That's why I asked the question. Although BL made it look good in demos, as far as I'm aware he never actually competed. I guess my question is, does Wing Chun work in a real fight? It looks good in demos but then so do most martial arts.
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Just because you have learnt to fight in a ring does not mean you can fight on the streets, decide what you want from martial arts. If you want to learn how to fight in a real life or death situation fast, then you learn, Wing chun, or many various forms of Gong fu...aka kung fu...or learn Muay Thai defence techniques, or Krav maga, or street self defence started my an ex Royal marine.
If you have the luxury of time, then learn Aikido or Wadu Ryu, or Ti chi chuan traditional style.
If you want to learn MMA then dont do a traditional style. I know many champion fighters who kick ass in the ring but can bnot fight on the street. On the street there are no rules bub ;), and no ref !!!

Depending on where you train, wing chun can take a LONG, LONG time to learn...

Anvil- I said the same.

Overseer assures me that 2 weeks is all thats needed for competence. I bow to his superior knowledge.

Did he say where you can learn in 2 weeks? Take me there!

Er funnily enough I never got that link :hihi:

No doubt bub will be back on to let us know though...

On the street there are no rules bub ;), and no ref !!!

And no unicorns.


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It does proberbly depend more on the fighter rather than the style.

quoting just because its a sensible comment