Can anyone explain why people push in queues?

Like at the bar, where you are waiting to be served and someone just happens to turn up or even Squeezed in to get serve before you despite the factr that you've been there waiting ages to be served. If that was me getting to the bar after someone else, I would say, s/he was here at the bar before me because that the way I am. However, it is very, very rarely, that I have ever encounter someone doing the same back.

I'd like to know, if

a) You push in...and why?
b) Speak your mind if someone else pushes in?

P.S. it is late, and I've just come in from a night out where I haven't once been served without someone pushing in despite me being there before them.

because they are impatient and selfish.

I often think that old people are the worst for this, they are always banging on about young people having no manners, but when it comes to a queue they have the manners of a pig....perhaps its because they dont have much time....if you know what I mean!!

Originally posted by littleboo
because they are impatient and selfish.

I often think that old people are the worst for this, they are always banging on about young people having no manners, but when it comes to a queue they have the manners of a pig....perhaps its because they dont have much time....if you know what I mean!!

littleboo has it spot on. The older people are bad for this, half beacuse they are plainly rude and the other half dont know whatthey are doing.

People who push in queues are generally not nice people any way. They are selfish and think of themselves and would gladly stamp on you if they could get anywhere quicker.

I never generally challenge them beacuse generally i'd imagine they are nasty pieces of work anyway!

To join a queue is a very British thing to do,:hihi:
to push in queues is a very stupid thing to do, as it can be very harmful to your heath..:suspect:
as it makes you, impatient and selfish,
and very rude....
and you will get stabbed in the back for it
:evil:

the example is not a very good one though.
A bar is not a queue, there is no clear order of who will be served. It's a mass of people with several servers at the front.
When going to the bar, I try to find an empty spot to stand in at the bar, if this isn't possible I join the group somewhere and make my way forwards as possible.
If I see that someone else was clearly there before me and I get offered service first, I generally point it out, although not always. And I have on occasion, said something about it being okay (in a sarcastic manner) when someone else arrives and then gets served before me.

Choose an example where there is actually a queue and not a crowd and you won't find many examples of people pushing or jumping.

I was waiting in a queue for the check out in Boots on Fargate the other day. I don't know how many of you shop there but there is often a huge queue at lunch time on the ground floor. I had waited my turn and was walking to the top cashier when a much older lady walked the wrong way round the till, up to the cashier and tried to start unloading her shopping, the cashier pointed out that there was a massive queue and she should wait in it, the much older lady made some excuse about not realising that was the queue for the till etc etc but she can't have missed it!!

And what REALLY gets me is people who push in in queues of traffic!! why do it!??!?

Originally posted by youwhatref
littleboo has it spot on. The older people are bad for this, half beacuse they are plainly rude and the other half dont know whatthey are doing.

People who push in queues are generally not nice people any way. They are selfish and think of themselves and would gladly stamp on you if they could get anywhere quicker.

I never generally challenge them beacuse generally i'd imagine they are nasty pieces of work anyway!

It doesn't sound like you're generalising much here! :|

to get to the front i expect

I'm waiting for the day when a mass punch-up breaks out at the 95 / 22 bus stop on Church Street, opposite the Cathedral. The arrangement of the bus-stop is so illogical that no-one really knows from day to day which end of the queue is which. It causes loads of confusion, and often ends up with a breakdown in queuing because people can't work out what's going on, and so just jump on a bus when they get the opportunity.

A potentially nasty situation did break out on one occasion when the weather was particularly bad and the bloke who was first in the queue ended up at the end, due to the bus stopping at the wrong end of the stop. The bloke started shouting and swearing at the driver, and was clearly very angry. I was expecting a fight to start - it was really quite scary.

If anyone from the PTE with anything to do with bus-stops is reading this, perhaps something could be done to improve this bus-stop?

Cheers,

StarSparkle

Apologies for double-posting, but regarding being served in bars / pubs:

I dread going to the bar to buy drinks (no comments about tight-fistedness please :D ) but I always seem to get served very quickly, much to my surprise. It seems to help to look the barman in the eye and smile sweetly. Well, works for me anyway! :thumbsup:

StarSparkle :)

Originally posted by StarSparkle
I'm waiting for the day when a mass punch-up breaks out at the 95 / 22 bus stop on Church Street, opposite the Cathedral. The arrangement of the bus-stop is so illogical that no-one really knows from day to day which end of the queue is which. It causes loads of confusion, and often ends up with a breakdown in queuing because people can't work out what's going on, and so just jump on a bus when they get the opportunity.

A potentially nasty situation did break out on one occasion when the weather was particularly bad and the bloke who was first in the queue ended up at the end, due to the bus stopping at the wrong end of the stop. The bloke started shouting and swearing at the driver, and was clearly very angry. I was expecting a fight to start - it was really quite scary.

If anyone from the PTE with anything to do with bus-stops is reading this, perhaps something could be done to improve this bus-stop?

Cheers,

StarSparkle

stand in the middle...then you will always know how far you are from getting on :)

Depending on how much i've had to drink, I can be very nasty when people push in front of me.

Had a meatloaf lookalikey push infront of me at corp whilst at the bar, became abusive to me and my Gf, I left at the end of the night with a slight headache, he left pretty much straight away nursing a broken nose.

Also whilst in leeds, at a weatherspoons, the bar was rammed, but people had gotten their drinks, and were still hoarding round the bar. It was hot and I was thirsty and had enough. With a bellow of "F***ING MOVE!" all the drinking people looked sheepish and a scene remenicent of the parting of the red sea took place.

:D

Don't push in front of me. Its dangerous.

Originally posted by Nathen
Depending on how much i've had to drink, I can be very nasty when people push in front of me.

Had a meatloaf lookalikey push infront of me at corp whilst at the bar, became abusive to me and my Gf, I left at the end of the night with a slight headache, he left pretty much straight away nursing a broken nose.

Also whilst in leeds, at a weatherspoons, the bar was rammed, but people had gotten their drinks, and were still hoarding round the bar. It was hot and I was thirsty and had enough. With a bellow of "F***ING MOVE!" all the drinking people looked sheepish and a scene remenicent of the parting of the red sea took place.

:D

Don't push in front of me. Its dangerous.

you sound like a nice person??

a bit of manners never hurt anyone nathan

You broke a guys nose for mouthing off?

Youre well hard you are. Or an internet tough-guy....

Originally posted by StarSparkle
Apologies for double-posting, but regarding being served in bars / pubs:

I dread going to the bar to buy drinks (no comments about tight-fistedness please :D ) but I always seem to get served very quickly, much to my surprise. It seems to help to look the barman in the eye and smile sweetly. Well, works for me anyway! :thumbsup:

StarSparkle :)

its u!

i hate people who blatently get served before someone, knowing they werent next and dont just say (like i do) its them mate.

only once have i done this and then not been served next. so you dont really have to wait long, and you feel better. (unless that person is buying a huuuuuuge round!)

also i often say if someone who arrives at the bar after me starts getting served, tell the person to wait their turn and explain to the bar staff i was waiting. they dont like it but i aint waiting round all night to get me beverage

I never push in queues and will always tell the bar person to serve the person there before me (unless I'm very thirsty)

I don't take well to people pushing in. Some try at the old 95 bus stop from time to time. Usually a nice glare from me will make them realise the error of their ways. However, women seem to be the worst for this. Especially old ones.

If people try and push in front of me at a bar then I just use my size to stop them/nudge them out of the way. Again however, women are the owrst at this.

General mannerswise as well annoys me. People pushing past you in pubs and not apologising or bumping into you. Again, a lot of women seem to feel that they can push whoever they please out of the way without a care in the world :rant:

Originally posted by 21steve
its u!

i hate people who blatently get served before someone, knowing they werent next and dont just say (like i do) its them mate.

only once have i done this and then not been served next. so you dont really have to wait long, and you feel better. (unless that person is buying a huuuuuuge round!)

also i often say if someone who arrives at the bar after me starts getting served, tell the person to wait their turn and explain to the bar staff i was waiting. they dont like it but i aint waiting round all night to get me beverage


Well, excuse me! :rolleyes: I do NOT queue-barge, I'll have you know! :rant: I was brought up to be polite and well-mannered and I (usually) am, thank you!

I just try to make sure that no-one queue-barges me - I get really peeved when someone tries to shove in front of me, so I do my best to ensure it doesn't happen. It's not always easy at a bar to know who's in front of who, as I'm sure you know, but if I know someone's been waiting longer than me, then I will point that out to the barman.

I'm only 5 foot 3 you know, so I'm just amazed I manage to get served at bars at all - never mind be accused of queue barging blokes who may well be twice my size! :rolleyes:

My previous posting was meant to be a little tongue-in-cheek - obviously I've not quite got the hang of smilies yet :D

Apologies to anyone I've ever unknowingly queue-jumped.

StarSparkle :)

My previous posting was meant to be a little tongue-in-cheek - obviously I've not quite got the hang of smilies yet :D


StarSparkle :)

as was mine. i am sorry i did not mean to cause offence.

Steve

Originally posted by StarSparkle
Well, excuse me! :rolleyes: I do NOT queue-barge, I'll have you know! :rant: I was brought up to be polite and well-mannered and I (usually) am, thank you!

I just try to make sure that no-one queue-barges me - I get really peeved when someone tries to shove in front of me, so I do my best to ensure it doesn't happen. It's not always easy at a bar to know who's in front of who, as I'm sure you know, but if I know someone's been waiting longer than me, then I will point that out to the barman.

I'm only 5 foot 3 you know, so I'm just amazed I manage to get served at bars at all - never mind be accused of queue barging blokes who may well be twice my size! :rolleyes:

My previous posting was meant to be a little tongue-in-cheek - obviously I've not quite got the hang of smilies yet :D

Apologies to anyone I've ever unknowingly queue-jumped.

StarSparkle :)

so you're a 5ft3 Socttish girl? There's no way I'd queue barge on you. Too dangerous to even consider:D

Originally posted by 21steve
as was mine. i am sorry i did not mean to cause offence.

Steve

No probs, Steve.

Cheers,

StarSparkle :)

Originally posted by robbie
so you're a 5ft3 Socttish girl? There's no way I'd queue barge on you. Too dangerous to even consider:D

You'd better believe it! :thumbsup: :D

StarSparkle :)

It's very hard to tell who's next in a busy crowd waiting at a bar but a good barperson should be able to tell. There used to be a barmaid in the Leadmill who simply would not serve drinks to any other women, so when she was on you had to go to the other end of the bar; one night she went to serve the guy next to me who indicated that I was 'next' and she just huffed and walked off to serve a bloke a few people down.

There's only one example of when it's OK to push in and that's when people don't queue properly at bus stops. I mean the people who need at least 3 feet between them and the next person in a bus shelter, the ones who don't 'move up' when a bus has picked some of the people waiting up, so anyone else has to stand outside in the rain. In these circumstances there's no sensible option but to stand in the gap they're leaving.

I hate going in Waitrose now due to the snotty attitude of one of the staff on the ciggie counter. There was nobody waiting so I stood there while she finished whatever she was doing, then walked up. "No!" she says, "I'm not serving you! You walked from the wrong direction! You'll have to go back and approach from the correct direction again!" I pointed out that there was nobody else waiting, nor were there any other customers in sight. She said "Well that's the way it is in here. Get used to it." I did I was ordered and bought my cigs and then gave her a Hitler salute.

Originally posted by Mathom
I hate going in Waitrose now due to the snotty attitude of one of the staff on the ciggie counter. There was nobody waiting so I stood there while she finished whatever she was doing, then walked up. "No!" she says, "I'm not serving you! You walked from the wrong direction! You'll have to go back and approach from the correct direction again!" I pointed out that there was nobody else waiting, nor were there any other customers in sight. She said "Well that's the way it is in here. Get used to it." I did I was ordered and bought my cigs and then gave her a Hitler salute.
How true is that? :suspect: (before I e-mail them a hyperlink :mad: )

I agree with what some people have posted, unless there are only a few of you at the bar then it is a free for all. I aren't going to memorise the order 30+ people arrived at the bar and try and work out if the rest are waiting to be served or just hovering. If there were only a few people then I would always point out if someone was before me.

I remember being in a club once in York, as it was very early in the evening it was VERY quiet. I went to the bar, the barman was already serving someone so I waited (there were no other customers waiting, we made eye contact, and he had to stand right in front of me to pull a pint). He finished serving but didn't come to serve me straight away - he just faffed about with something behind the bar (for a good few minutes). Then he looked up to serve me, someone else approached the bar at just that second and he served them instead. When I said I'd been waiting to be served for the best part of 5 minutes, the new customer just shrugged and the barman gave me an earful about how I should be patient and wait my turn. When I dared to point out that I had been the only person waiting for the past few minutes he threatened to have me thrown out of the club!

I think women have it much worse in bars when getting served. You often find barmaids who will always prefer to serve men and only turn to female customers when they have to. Another barman also made an interesting remark to me once as well - I was in town on a Saturday night (usual overcrowded pub) and was leaning against the bar quite bored as I waited an eternity to be served, when a barman I hadn't even looked at leaned over to me and said "don't think flashing those (looking at my chest) at me will get you served quicker"!!

As for what I do personally - if someone has obviously been waiting longer than me then I pretty much always tell the barperson to serve them first. Unless of course on my last trip to the bar someone had failed to do this for me, then I'm always tempted to jump in ;)

who cares why they do it, brick em over the head and shove em in the bushes :thumbsup:
if ur a lady tho...just call the lovely RUM boys, they will sort it out ;)

I haven't the foggiest, as I never push in line. I've been pushed, though. Usually, turning around and giving the person the hairy eyeball stops the shoving.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hairy+eyeball

The absolute worst case of "queue-barging" (thanks, StarSparkle, I just love all the new words I learn here on SF!) were some German tourists who literally pushed and shoved their way ahead of us in line at a restaurant.

We actually had the misfortune to have seen these people earlier in the day, when they ran past/through our group on their way to one of the ferry tours. The way they were elbowing others out of the way to be first in the line resembled the scene in "Titanic", when the ship is sinking, and they're down to the last lifeboat.

There's also a special place in hell reserved for those who "pretend" not to notice where the line ends, and oh so casually step ahead of you. And if you do notice, and say something to them it's an "Oops, sorry about that". "Gee, you're crabby." I've actually only had men do this. They usually give you the, "it must be that time of the month, huh?" look as well.

:) Sierra

Originally posted by Mathom
She said "Well that's the way it is in here. Get used to it." I did I was ordered and bought my cigs and then gave her a Hitler salute.

Love your retaliation! I usually walk out without purchasing anything.

Originally posted by banesmabes
I remember being in a club once in York, as it was very early in the evening it was VERY quiet. I went to the bar, the barman was already serving someone so I waited (there were no other customers waiting, we made eye contact, and he had to stand right in front of me to pull a pint). He finished serving but didn't come to serve me straight away - he just faffed about with something behind the bar (for a good few minutes). Then he looked up to serve me, someone else approached the bar at just that second and he served them instead. When I said I'd been waiting to be served for the best part of 5 minutes, the new customer just shrugged and the barman gave me an earful about how I should be patient and wait my turn. When I dared to point out that I had been the only person waiting for the past few minutes he threatened to have me thrown out of the club!

I think women have it much worse in bars when getting served. You often find barmaids who will always prefer to serve men and only turn to female customers when they have to. Another barman also made an interesting remark to me once as well - I was in town on a Saturday night (usual overcrowded pub) and was leaning against the bar quite bored as I waited an eternity to be served, when a barman I hadn't even looked at leaned over to me and said "don't think flashing those (looking at my chest) at me will get you served quicker"!!

As for what I do personally - if someone has obviously been waiting longer than me then I pretty much always tell the barperson to serve them first. Unless of course on my last trip to the bar someone had failed to do this for me, then I'm always tempted to jump in ;)

not enougn smilies. Women get served faster by male bar staff so often it's not even funny.
Someone tried to push infront at a sainsburys queue today. Despite protestations of only one pack of bread buns the till guy was having none of it and sent him packing (well done that guy in Manchester)... we got served next, we'd been queing as was right.

a) At the moment, yes, most deffinately! :o Why? Because there is no such thing as queueing in Asia! If you don't push your way to the front, you don't get a train ticket/bus ticket/Visa/whatever... :D

b) No. You just get laughed at if you complain, or grumble, although a rare few people do feel sorry for the poor westerner and give you a helping hand by pushing you a bit further forward, or offering an extra elbow to push others out of the way!

To be honest, it's kind of fun. There's no malice involved, it's just the way it works - it's almost like a game, and generally done in good spirits. I much prefer it to standing in a queue for half and hour, bored and frustrated. :)

Originally posted by Strix
How true is that? :suspect: (before I e-mail them a hyperlink :mad: )

That is wholly true! Why? Do you know someone who works there? ;) You never get that kind of bother in Netto - they even sometimes offer to let you go in front if you only have one or two items.

In another supermarket I was once physically pushed away from a display because I had apparently spent too long in front of it deciding what I wanted. Bargain counters are the worst though, hordes of people barging their way in to snatch everything up like locusts. And as for Christmas...once me and my father were waiting in the queue from hell just to get a few pints of milk, and everyone was standing leaving a gap so people could get past the checkouts. Along comes a woman who starts to unload her trolley so we pointed that the back of the queue was behind us. She lost it, put her nose up against my face and said "Don't f***in tell me what to do, yer patronising f***er!". Security heard her and she was ejected from the shop, presumably to go without her Christmas shopping. I was only 14. :rant:

Originally posted by march
I agree with what some people have posted, unless there are only a few of you at the bar then it is a free for all. I aren't going to memorise the order 30+ people arrived at the bar and try and work out if the rest are waiting to be served or just hovering. If there were only a few people then I would always point out if someone was before me.

I quite agree. You have to stare at the barservers eyes to get their attention else they wont notice you. They cant tell either who was there first when it is busy and often just serve the nearest person that they notice (and they dont notice unless you make eye contact a lot of the time I find).

Originally posted by Mathom
That is wholly true! Why? Do you know someone who works there? ;)
Nope, I used to work in John Lewis, and that is not how partners should behave.

I did e-mail them. I'll ask if it's okay to post the reply here.

(And they replied within 24 hours at the weekend :thumbsup: )

Originally posted by Strix
Nope, I used to work in John Lewis, and that is not how partners should behave.

I did e-mail them. I'll ask if it's okay to post the reply here.

(And they replied within 24 hours at the weekend :thumbsup: )

Excellent! :thumbsup: She was possibly one of the old Safeway staff, who were often a bit 'odd', and frequently seemed to be making it their mission to be as unhelpful as humanly possible...

never queue jumped & due to my size never seem to have much trouble in people pushing past me(lol).
however i have reacted positively to queueing over the years & changed my polite upbringing into the 21st century.
although slightly off context some niggling occurrences:

old folks have all day to stand in a queue why go to the shops or on buses at busy times ?.in these instances i let 'em wait.

ladies who think smiling works - get to the back of the queue.if u offer to help they think u are being patronising or after a quickie. so much for womens lib.

i do find it awful that being polite & gentlemanly is frowned upon by many people these days & although i am never impolite i do now look after number one.

I don't queue jump, it's rude, inconsiderate and shows a complete lack of respect for others. I enjoy shaming people who do with a " Please, after you. Obviously you must be partially sighted not to notice this f****** queue - you go right ahead!".

The ones who reeeeeally get on my wick are the lasses who elbow their way to the bar and then thrust their chest out as if it's a VIP pass to get served quicker. One stood there digging me in the ribs and had the temerity to demand I move and let her get to the bar whilst I was qeuing for a round! Not very chivalrous but she was told certainly but only after I get my beers :hihi:

The queues that form at cash machines where there is one queue for 5 machines is the most stupid, I just walk-up and use the machine, people do sometimes mumble "there is a queue you know" but I just ignore them, it's not compulsory to join their nice queue, plus they have all day, I only have my luch hour.

I remember one particular instance at the Republic about... Oooh, 5 years ago.

I was stood at one of the bars waiting to get served. After about 10 minutes of the barman serving people to the left and to the right of me I waved at him when I thought it was my turn. The lad exploded and yelled, "If you think that waving your arms around like a ---- is going to get you served faster you've got another thing coming!" and went on serving people either side of me. A further 5 minutes of this continued until I asked if I may be served soon. He replied "No, and if you say anything again, I'll get you thrown out." ... Perturbed, I left the bar and went to a different one.

Upon rejoining my friends I regailed them with the story to be informed that one of my group had recently enjoyed an indescretion with said barman's girlfriend. He'd obviously clocked me talking to my friend and decided he was going to prevent us having a good night through any means he could.

Anyway, aforementioned indiscreet girlfriend went back to the barman... For all of 3 weeks... Before leaving him for another of my friends. I've not seen him since.

Its simple really

you push the person in front of you and he gets the blame from the person in front of him or her.!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by nick2
The queues that form at cash machines where there is one queue for 5 machines is the most stupid, I just walk-up and use the machine, people do sometimes mumble "there is a queue you know" but I just ignore them, it's not compulsory to join their nice queue, plus they have all day, I only have my luch hour.

maybe they are all on their lunch hour as well...
unless they are queuing and a machine is actually free (in which case they're dumb) then you are being extremely rude and selfish.

Originally posted by littleboo
because they are impatient and selfish.

I often think that old people are the worst for this, they are always banging on about young people having no manners, but when it comes to a queue they have the manners of a pig....perhaps its because they dont have much time....if you know what I mean!!

How rude and impolite of you llittleboo.
Were you, in saying this meaning that you yourself was above reproach.
I am so much older than you and never push iin in queues.
My manners are the same now as when I was young.

hazel

Originally posted by nick2
The queues that form at cash machines where there is one queue for 5 machines is the most stupid, I just walk-up and use the machine, people do sometimes mumble "there is a queue you know" but I just ignore them, it's not compulsory to join their nice queue, plus they have all day, I only have my luch hour.

Perhaps orher people's time is important to them to.
Their time might even be more imprtant than yours

hazel

I think bars are stupid. People should form an orderly queue at a bar IMO. As a barman, it is often very difficult to see who got to the bar when, especially when you're busy. If someone does say to me 'they were here first', I will always serve that person next.

Also, I get p***ed off when people buy huge rounds. I don't understand why people do that.

I never ever have any problems with pushing and shoving at a bar. I just give the money to a mate of mine and ask him to get the round in. He's never been jostled at all - have you
Kristian?

Note: Kristian, the Mod, is 6ft. 4" - says it all! :bigsmile:

Has anyone ever had anyone queue jump in a barbers?

Originally posted by Lickszz
Has anyone ever had anyone queue jump in a barbers?

Yes, once, in Liverpool.

Some bloke tried to get up when it was my turn. The barber put him straight.

Didn't get an apology off the guy, naturally :)

Originally posted by Sidla
I think bars are stupid. People should form an orderly queue at a bar IMO. As a barman, it is often very difficult to see who got to the bar when, especially when you're busy. If someone does say to me 'they were here first', I will always serve that person next.

Also, I get p***ed off when people buy huge rounds. I don't understand why people do that.

do you dislike people buying more than one drink, or HUGE rounds?
More than one drink is perfectly sensible. Why have 4 people go to the bar when 1 will do, and do you never feel like being sociable and offering to buy someone something?

Whilst walking up for the last bus home tonight, Mrs Draggle phoned me (in need of Imodium) so I called into the Spar outside my bus stop at Hunters Bar.

Joined the queue. Only one person in front of me.
Unfortunately, person who has gone to the 'closed' till in front pushes to the front of 'my' queue. Gets away with it 'cos he knows the person at the front of the queue (The guy before me)
I let it go. Person
behind me then asks guy in front of me if he will check him out this 'one item'
I let it go.
Other person behind me also asks the guy in front of me to check out 'one Item'
I turn around and say what the Farooq is going on here - I have a bus to catch.....
Person behind sees my point, ******** in front doesn't and still offers to check the item in before me :loopy:

Whilst I am on this rant ........
I have noticed that 'manners' around the pubs in Hunters Bar are almost non existent now....
Not that long ago if someone bumped into you in the pub, 'sorry mate' would be the normal thing to say - no big issue - just politeness.

not now.... no way....people seem to be clueless/oblivious...

A case in point - I visited the sis-in-laws in in a pretty rough part of London a few months ago.
I made my way to the local (very lairy) wetherspoon pub. Whilst there, three guys 'brushed' passed me, hardly bumping or 'owt - 'sorry mate' was said each time.

Maybe that's what's wrong at Hunters Bar. Full of T***S that don't know what a thick lip means......

Yes, this is the normally placid Draggletail speaking, and if you think I sound like an unusually grumpy old dude tonight, then I guess I am.
And no, I won't edit this out in the morning:rant: :rant: :rant: