I know that every move can be countered, but are there techniques in the various MA systems out there that are very difficult to defend against? Especially in the 'on the street' self-defence scenario when faced by someone much bigger and stronger who might have MA skills themselves.

I aready know the old 'kick 'em in the nuts' technique, before anyone suggests that! Serious replies please.

There are only 2 points that will stop an attacker, the throat and the eyes, if they can,t breath or see they can,t fight back,

Good topic this.

Craig

http://www.senshido.com/swwd2_1.html

If I ever get into a street fight, I'm going with this once the the distance has been closed....

http://www.senshido.com/swwd2_1.html

If I ever get into a street fight, I'm going with this once the the distance has been closed....

Looks good but i would like to see a 8 stone female try it on a 15 stone attacker. :gag:

the trouble is if your not constantly practricing these techniques then they wont work - they have to become second nature, even then i dont know if the 8 stone girl would come out on top.

Looks good but i would like to see a 8 stone female try it on a 15 stone attacker. :gag:

the trouble is if your not constantly practricing these techniques then they wont work - they have to become second nature, even then i dont know if the 8 stone girl would come out on top.
Unarmed, an 8-stone female is generally f*cked against a 15 stone attacker who has even the vaguest idea of what he is doing, so that's a bit of a rubbish example.

Unarmed, an 8-stone female is generally f*cked against a 15 stone attacker who has even the vaguest idea of what he is doing, so that's a bit of a rubbish example.

Carcass you must be about 6 stone!! :P

Carcass you must be about 6 stone!! :P
A handy excuse for getting beaten up all the time!

Tony Blauer's SPEAR system is getting more popular amongst Military and Law enforcement personnel.

http://www.tonyblauer.com/4105/02_01_01_spearsystem.asp

Not sure if anyone's done any?

Ok, but what are the 'unstoppable' techniques from your particular systems.....ju-jitsu....mma....kung fu....karate...kickboxing.....etc,etc,etc? This is not an attempt to stir up another 'our style is better than yours' debate, let's not go there.

Flying gogoplata.

In other words if I came to your club and asked you to show me just one technique that would serve me well on the street in a self-defence scenario, what would it be?

The " shredder " is very effective for an 8 stone women, we got Rich Dimitri over at at house in November, he,s the founder of the Shredder, if anyone fancies learning give me a call.

Craig

In other words if I came to your club and asked you to show me just one technique that would serve me well on the street in a self-defence scenario, what would it be?

Thew 100 metre sprint works in self defence and catching taxis:cool:

In all seriousness I'd say a right cross / hook (or left), easy to learn, accessible and usually effective

LIVER SHOT!
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Not sure if this is what you are thinking of but I once asked a respected martial artist who has done door work here what he relied on and his reply was "Right cross and a low kick".

Simply shouting "STOP, I'm GETTING ANGRY" often stops would be muggers.

Simply shouting "STOP, I'm GETTING ANGRY" often stops would be muggers.

* then turn green

The thing with self defence is that its all about body language, if you stand there with your chest puffed out, and your legs apart, this tells the would be mugger you are not scared.

If you do find yourself on your back, simply put both legs in the air (in a v shape) feet wide apart, and this itself will create a barrier and stop the attack.

Also, if you crawl like a dog on the ground (you need to crawl fast) you can knock over your attackers like skittles at a bowling alley. Simply crawl towards the ringleader and then members of his gang, knocking them over.

If you get taken from behind, simply bending over can deter your attacker as well

If you get taken from behind, simply bending over can deter your attacker as well


Whenever I get taken from behind I find that bending over only encourages them and makes them think you're enjoying the experience.

magnum 44 every time......

Flying headbutt!

Getting silly now! Won't be long before 'you know who' pops up.

Hail sisisi

The thing with self defence is that its all about body language, if you stand there with your chest puffed out, and your legs apart, this tells the would be mugger you are not scared.

If you do find yourself on your back, simply put both legs in the air (in a v shape) feet wide apart, and this itself will create a barrier and stop the attack.

Also, if you crawl like a dog on the ground (you need to crawl fast) you can knock over your attackers like skittles at a bowling alley. Simply crawl towards the ringleader and then members of his gang, knocking them over.
If you get taken from behind, simply bending over can deter your attacker as well




Do you have a You Tube Video on this move, would love to see a demo of this one :hihi:

The thing with self defence is that its all about body language, if you stand there with your chest puffed out, and your legs apart, this tells the would be mugger you are not scared.

If you do find yourself on your back, simply put both legs in the air (in a v shape) feet wide apart, and this itself will create a barrier and stop the attack.

Also, if you crawl like a dog on the ground (you need to crawl fast) you can knock over your attackers like skittles at a bowling alley. Simply crawl towards the ringleader and then members of his gang, knocking them over.

If you get taken from behind, simply bending over can deter your attacker as well

Ive tried a few of these techniques but they only made my ar*e sore.

The best self defence technique i have seen is 'The SKUNK' TM , :huh:

Yes you are all asking what the skunk is? well, if you find your self in a mugging situation then its simple, let your bodys natural defence mechanism take over; there are 3 main concepts of the SKUNK TM

1 'The Soaker' TM
It is important to place you hands inside your trouser pockets, then just pi*s your self making sure your attacker is aware that youve pi*sed your pants and got it all over your hands, and when he asks for your mobile phone or wallet then pass it to them with your hands soaked in pi*s, the outcome is they won't want it. job done, in fact they certainly wont want to grab you in case you toiuch them with your pi*sy hands.

2 'The nuetraliser' TM
this technique is a little more daring but it works on the same principle of the first technique; It is great at stopping the attacker in his tracks, when you are under attack or are approached by an assailant the sh*t your self making sure you have at least one hand down your pants, once again show your assailant you hands guaranteed they wont want anything you pass them and they especially wont want to fight you.

3 And finally 'The Barf' TM
Yes you've guessed it but this works best when youve had a few pints, but the principles are the same.

All these techniques are TM
but please feel free to practice with your training partners, after all practice makes perfect.

Hope this is help full :hihi:

Hail sisisi

:hihi::hihi::hihi:

Ok, let's get back on track. I'm not necessarily asking about how to defend against a mugging, I'd just like to know if there are any MA techniques that can almost ensure that you'll come out on top in a fight. Apart from the silly suggstions all we seem to have so far is a right cross and a low kick.

Just read on a website that Bruce Lee always used a technique called the 'straight blast' in any serious confrontation. Apparently it's a series of rapid punches with a 'vertical' fist. Does anyone's MA system use this and if so, is it effective?

Just read on a website that Bruce Lee always used a technique called the 'straight blast' in any serious confrontation. Apparently it's a series of rapid punches with a 'vertical' fist. Does anyone's MA system use this and if so, is it effective?

He wouldn't get a chance with my solid airborn noggin torpedoing his way.

Here is the straight blast in action (there are other videos with it done better but kung fu guys always have to turn demonstrating a technique which is best explained "punch them like this" into a 3 hour long philosophy seminar) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7fCLrNJDF0

At least it's fairly aggressive. There's no such thing as an unstoppable technique though. You're getting daft answers because it's a daft question. The only things that will give you a serious advantage are training for longer, training more realistically or being stronger and fitter than your opponent. There's a counter to anything if you know it.

Straight blast works great unless someone side steps

The " shredder " is very effective for an 8 stone women, we got Rich Dimitri over at at house in November, he,s the founder of the Shredder, if anyone fancies learning give me a call.

Craig
I must take issue with you there Craig,but certainly not on its effectiveness. From what I've seen ,through that link,the technique,or something very,very similar,is used in Goju-Ryu .It seems to me Mr Dimitri has given it a spectacular name as a promotion exercise.I have no problem with that at all,but for him to claim he's the founder of the technique is a little naughty.
By the way, sorry I ain't been down lately, landed badly on my shoulder and I've got to "rest" it a bit:mad:That stuff you lent me for the pulled leg muscle worked great.Unfortunately it dunt seem to work on the shoulder.:roll:
Sithi

Ok, let's get back on track. I'm not necessarily asking about how to defend against a mugging, I'd just like to know if there are any MA techniques that can almost ensure that you'll come out on top in a fight. Apart from the silly suggstions all we seem to have so far is a right cross and a low kick.

It depends on the situation, sisisi.If the antagonists are two trained fighters in a competition, both are ready,able and willing to fight under rules and know what techniques their opponent is allowed to use.That's very different to a "street" situation where it kicks off in a flash and is usually(or should be) over in seconds,no rules and nobody knows what their opponent's going to do.If you just want a technique from SF contributors then here's mine.First off, always get yours in first if at all possible,spit in eyes, back hand to nuts,elbow to jaw, get away.Equally one could,spit in eyes, fist to throat,get away.I would guess it's the simple techniques that work bestist.:thumbsup:
I've no doubt other SF posters could come up with summat.

Chris, I reckon Gojo just sneaked "Shredding " into their curriculum mate LOL... attacks to the eyes and face are common, but with Senshido its all about the set up and striking on the quarter beat, giving your attacker little chance of defense..

Glad your getting better ( its age pal ) LOL..

see you soon.

Craig.

Chris, I reckon Gojo just sneaked "Shredding " into their curriculum mate LOL... attacks to the eyes and face are common, but with Senshido its all about the set up and striking on the quarter beat, giving your attacker little chance of defense..

Glad your getting better ( its age pal ) LOL..

see you soon.

Craig.
Well,Craig, next time I get down I'd value some instruction on the "Shredder".
As I said in my post I only know from what I saw in that link,so seeing it "in the flesh" will educate me.The only thing I have a small issue with is it seems to me Mr. Dimitri is claiming he's found something new.But, if it works and it gets us little 'uns out of trouble, does it really matter? No it doesn't.
Age!Don't talk to me about age.I seem to take longer and longer to repair:)
Thanks anyway,sithi

No probs Chris.. look forward to seeing you again once your healed mate..

Craig.

Looks good but i would like to see a 8 stone female try it on a 15 stone attacker. :gag:

the trouble is if your not constantly practricing these techniques then they wont work - they have to become second nature, even then i dont know if the 8 stone girl would come out on top.

Are we talking about the shredder :confused:
Was that a serious response or just playing devils advocate as usual?

It would give the 8 stone girl a very good chance, I have seen this on seminars all over the world, you,ll have to trust me on this one..

Craig.

It would give the 8 stone girl a very good chance, I have seen this on seminars all over the world, you,ll have to trust me on this one..

Craig.

The shredder is a horrible and frightening technique!!! Id hate for even a 7 stone girl to use it on me !!! :help:

Are we talking about the shredder :confused:
Was that a serious response or just playing devils advocate as usual?

No serious - it does look very affective, but unless you have correct frame of mind then it wont work - imagine learning it on a weeked seminar but never practising it after the seminar then 8 weeks later trying to use it , chances are youve forgotten most of it.

You also need to be close to the attacker and if a 15 stone man grabs or hits a 8 stone female she is going to panic.

Ya, that much of a weight advantage and very few people would have much chance. There's a reason why they have weight classes in combat sports. Technique is important but only half the story.

Good point, but you can't always choose the size of the bloke who decides you've been staring at him in the pub. Hence the reason for this thread. So how do you deal with him? Let's leave out the awareness of surroundings...body posture stuff etc. What about if it does actually come down to a fight? Is there a specific technique that will give you an advantage?

Good point, but you can't always choose the size of the bloke who decides you've been staring at him in the pub. Hence the reason for this thread. So how do you deal with him? Let's leave out the awareness of surroundings...body posture stuff etc. What about if it does actually come down to a fight? Is there a specific technique that will give you an advantage?

Well... there are different game plans for different situations I guess. In that situation, a close space with a single antagonist who is probably drunk and unskilled, I'd tend to clinch around the body, take them down and then work chokes or ground and pound depending on how much they were still going for it.

That's not really one technique though, and only knowing techniques for one part of that game plan might not be very useful. And maybe something would go wrong or they'd behave / move differently and the whole plan would change.

Do you have any techniques in mind?

None at all! I'm just interested in what the different MA systems have to offer.

Can I respectfully ask whether the way to deal with a larger opponent is through strikes and not getting into a close quarter battle where superior strength and weight could count so much?

The thing with fighting is that its not about fighting.

Shouting NO NO NO could scare the would be attacker and hence stop the attack.

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If the syllabus covers "The Soaker" (TM) then you got me.

How about defences against librarians if your local mild-mannered librarian turned a paperback novel into an edged weapon?

I'm kidding but seriously a bigger opponent should be taken on with strikes/kicks?

If the syllabus covers "The Soaker" (TM) then you got me.

How about defences against librarians if your local mild-mannered librarian turned a paperback novel into an edged weapon?

I'm kidding but seriously a bigger opponent should be taken on with strikes/kicks?
If you know how to grapple, getting the fight to the floor as fast as possible is the best idea. See Royce Gracie in the early UFCs - strength and size advantage are mostly nullified when on the ground.

However, strength and size means NOTHING when you've got your thumbs in their eyes, are biting their nose off and kicking them in the balls. At the same time.

If you know how to grapple, getting the fight to the floor as fast as possible is the best idea. See Royce Gracie in the early UFCs - strength and size advantage are mostly nullified when on the ground.

However, strength and size means NOTHING when you've got your thumbs in their eyes, are biting their nose off and kicking them in the balls. At the same time.

Not the sort of thing you need to spend years training in the martial arts though?

Not the sort of thing you need to spend years training in the martial arts though?
Pretty much precisely why the Shredder works.

I would also guess that it's very difficult to defend against, which is what this thread was originally all about.

It is mate, and its simple to learn . you can do a lot of damage in a short period of time, but its only a tool in your arsenal, best to cover a good range of defensive skills....

standing and grappling..

Ive tried a few of these techniques but they only made my ar*e sore.

The best self defence technique i have seen is 'The SKUNK' TM , :huh:

Yes you are all asking what the skunk is? well, if you find your self in a mugging situation then its simple, let your bodys natural defence mechanism take over; there are 3 main concepts of the SKUNK TM

1 'The Soaker' TM
It is important to place you hands inside your trouser pockets, then just pi*s your self making sure your attacker is aware that youve pi*sed your pants and got it all over your hands, and when he asks for your mobile phone or wallet then pass it to them with your hands soaked in pi*s, the outcome is they won't want it. job done, in fact they certainly wont want to grab you in case you toiuch them with your pi*sy hands.

2 'The nuetraliser' TM
this technique is a little more daring but it works on the same principle of the first technique; It is great at stopping the attacker in his tracks, when you are under attack or are approached by an assailant the sh*t your self making sure you have at least one hand down your pants, once again show your assailant you hands guaranteed they wont want anything you pass them and they especially wont want to fight you.

3 And finally 'The Barf' TM
Yes you've guessed it but this works best when youve had a few pints, but the principles are the same.

All these techniques are TM
but please feel free to practice with your training partners, after all practice makes perfect.

Hope this is help full :hihi:

I think these techniques would work well when grappling, and they seem easy and quick to learn.

I am up for a practise session if any one wants to come along :hihi: