There are concerns that there may be a second wave of attacks in three London Underground stations - the closest hospital has gone onto Major Alert mode.

yes we just heard this in the office- Shepherd's Bush, Oval and Warren St stations

Source please?

-- Message too short - not now it isn't --

BBC news - hospitals have been put on alert - smoke pouring out of some carriages - uhoh!

Well done do- gooders :thumbsup:

Three tube stations in London are being evacuated after 'incidents'
- BBC breaking news - on the 'ticker' top of the page.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/

I can't find anything about this, and BBC news is on now and nothing. :confused: :confused:

Link please.

Originally posted by viking
Well done do- gooders :thumbsup:

Dont understand - what does that mean?

Originally posted by t020
I can't find anything about this, and BBC news is on now and nothing. :confused: :confused:

Link please.

Turn your tv on - believe me its happening - might not have made it to the website just yet

http://www.sky.com/skynews/home

also BBC news had it on the ticker up the top

On Sky....

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1189833,00.html

Just love the line about 'the man holding the rucksack looked extremely dismayed'.

This is utterly bizarre.

Hope that we're not heading for a repeat of two weeks ago. Fingers crossed, folks.

Joe

Originally posted by viking
Well done do- gooders :thumbsup:

Viking, this is not the time or place for smart-arse comments.

Joe

I'm watching BBC news 24 and police are investigating 'incidents' at Shepherd's Bush, Warren Street and Oval stations.

They don't seem to know whats happened but they've been evacuated and the services on 3 tube lines suspended.

University College Hospital has gone on to emergency procedures but there are no reports of any casualties at the moment.

Reportedly there's smoke coming from Warren Street Station.

Now from BBC.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4703777.stm

Joe

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1189833,00.html

THREE MORE TUBE STATIONS HAVE BEEN EVACUATED IN LONDON
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4703777.stm

bbc reporting incident on bus.... hackney road apparently

Mod. Note

Threads Merged.

Joe

Da Ja Vue!!!!

I hope this isn't a second attack!

SKY News
There have been unconfirmed reports of an explosion on the London Underground, and an incident on a bus in Hackney, East London.
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1189833,00.html

BBC News
'Incidents' spark Tube evacuation. Emergency services have been called to three Tube stations after "incidents", Scotland Yard said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4703777.stm

Report from our office just down from Warren street station.

Lots of sirens about but not heard anything yet.

Lets hope this is just a paranoid scare and not a repeat!

reports of a nail bomb on sky website ??!?!?!? :(

...................................

Reports of an explosion in a man's bag on one of the tubes. Fortunately it appears to have malfunctioned.

London Underground gone to "AMBER ALERT", no reported casualties at this time, according to bbc news 24.
Thank God. :thumbsup:

Viking please keep the wider debate to the older dedicated thread.

The one thing that seems 'confirmed' is an explosion on a bus in East London. I would imagine it's too early to start thanking anyone for no casualties. But fingers crossed.

Dummy explosions using detonators only have sparked the evacuation of three Tube stations and the closure of three lines, a BBC correspondent has said.
Police cordoned off large areas around Warren Street, Oval and Shepherd's Bush Tube stations.

Emergency services also attended an incident on a route 26 bus in Hackney Road in Bethnal Green.

There were reports of smoke coming from - BBC

Are there any other updates?

BBC is reporting the windows on the bus have been blown out.

It sounds like one of the 'incidents' was a failed suicide bomb attack. Only one casualty reported so far.

LBS News - You can listen Live

http://www.lbcnews1152.co.uk/article.asp?id=60542

looked on news- one person injured at Warren St

Unconfirmed reports of a nailbomb at warren street!

my god, this is scary.

men entering warren street station now wearing chemical protection suits

Five News: Armed police enter a hospital....? Any more news?

Seems as if it's an identical attack to the one 2 weeks ago, 3 tubes and 1 bus. Fortunately it appears the bombs didn't go off correctly - the damage to the bus now being confirmed as only blowing out the windows and no injuries. Armed police are probably searching for one guy who reportedly fled the train when his bomb failed to blow as hospital is near that stop.

Police now reporting incident as serious... bbc news

There are reports of detonators going off, suspects running from the scene and unexploded devices being left.

Sounds like an attack that went wrong.

lets just hope its not a chemical attack..

Lets hope they catch the scum and trace their 'bombs' back to their maker.

police report no chemical agent discovered

There is a report that the person injured was the man with the rucksack that exploded - the potential bomber i guess.

All speculation at the moment but things should become clearer in the next couple of hours.

Warren St
Shepherd's Bush
Oval (Office)

Coincidence?

I am listening to LBC news its pretty good for up to date information. Pinched it off a thread 2 weeks ago.

http://www.lbcnews1152.co.uk/article.asp?id=60542

Originally posted by melbournian
I am listening to LBC news its pretty good for up to date information. Pinched it off a thread 2 weeks ago.

http://www.lbcnews1152.co.uk/article.asp?id=60542

Already told everyone about this one mate!

Back2Basics that is an excellent observation. Interesting!

police looking for Black or Asian guy 6 ft 2 wearing blue hooded top and wearing rucksack with hole with wires sticking out, who is reported to have ran through London College hospital.

back2basics, that is frightening!

Originally posted by back2basics
Warren St
Shepherd's Bush
Oval (Office)

Coincidence?

Interesting but very thin! I dont think this would have any connection.

1 man just been arrested - police have just rushed him and escorted him ,handcuffed, to a government building.

'back2basics, that is frightening!'

That is one emotion I don't have when I hear about these bombs. These B***ards don't frighten me nor should they you, that is exactly what they set out to achieve.

Some guy has just been arrested by armed police near Whitehall... this guy near Downing Street... Tony Blair is meant to be doing a conference but hasn't come out yet...

...you have to love this modern day media - it's a rush to speculate - facts come later... :rolleyes:

melbourin, I find it frightening because they have no regard for anyone or anything. I will not stop doing anything due to their actions, but I do find the whole thing frightening, especially for all those people (inc my friends and family) who are yet again effected by these animals.

Having said that 'animals' is not an apt word to describe them as no animal would act the way they do.

Back2Basics I understand what you said except the relevance of Oval - I know I'm probably being stupid...

Oval Office - President's office in the White House

Thankyou! I didn't know that!

I wouldn't read too much in to it, it is slim... but it could well be a message. When you look at a list of tube stations there are meny you cannot find any kind of connection in the name... however these three do have ties to the war and Bush.

The fact that these bombs didnt actually go off, only the detinators went off, gives police a big forensic advantage.
Or they could have been dummy bombs deliberately done to just scare people, in either case the bomb makers can be more easily traced, than if the bombs had actually gone off properly.

Originally posted by tara
The fact that these bombs didnt actually go off, only the detinators went off, gives police a big forensic advantage.
.

The BBC coverage indicates that there were no bombs, only detonators.

OK, this may well be a silly question, but how does a detenator explode? I thought it was a device that triggers an explosion?

Well hubby is in London again today, he's just called to say there is also some sort of alert at St Albans station so apparantly all the Midland Mainline services on that line have been cancelled.

Originally posted by BruciesBabe
OK, this may well be a silly question, but how does a detenator explode? I thought it was a device that triggers an explosion?

it does, by exploding

Originally posted by BruciesBabe
OK, this may well be a silly question, but how does a detenator explode? I thought it was a device that triggers an explosion?

A detonator is a very small, usually electrically triggered, explosive device that sets of a much larger payload situated close by.

bombs that didnt go off properly i think

Thanx spiffy, I didn't realise that detanators exploded too. I thought they were just the triggering device - electronic, as u said. Makes sense now. Thanku.

I dont understand the Back2Basics thing? The UCH "incident" is over. Also BBC are showing footage of the guy arrested outside Downing Street. BBC are saying he was arrested as one would arrest a suicide bomber.

Sir Ian Blair says : "There were four incidents. There was definatley some kind of explosion on the bus." He also said that he felt that the bombs had not gone off correctly. He is apparently encouraged by the fact that they will have left Forensic evidence. BBC are going on aobut the possibility they were "dummy" bobms but Sir Ian Blair refuses to comment on this. He is also now encouraging Londoners to get back to their normal business. He says that the bobms were "very much smaller" than the ones two weeks ago.

A worring development. As the bombers of two weeks ago are presumably dead this mean there are more of them out there ready to take over from where the others left off.

Been watching it on SKY news -

A nail bomb / detonator went off on the carriage of a train on the underground. Luckily no casualties.

A man ran from the carriage - dark / asian looking with a small beard - he was chased by a few people but got away and said something like 'What's up with these people' as he ran off.

A man then was seen running into University Hospital - a few moments later 3 armed police ran in and the area was cordoned off. Police asking people to report a 6'2 man wearing blue top with wires sticking out of a hole at the top.

Police are saying it's not on the scale as 7/7/05 - and there has only been one slight injury. Some transport has started running again.

So there were bombs then?
not just detinators.
Ian Blair also stated earlier that they were very amateurish attempts, - probably why they didnt go off.

Originally posted by slimsid2000
A worring development. As the bombers of two weeks ago are presumably dead this mean there are more of them out there ready to take over from where the others left off.

One of three possibilities, anyway, the other two being:

This is a copycat with smaller explosives (possibly just for kicks, although they might get some if anyone gets hold of them)

or

This is a related, but thoroughly incompetent, bunch who can't make a bomb go off when they have 4 to go at.

I'm having trouble believing this is the same lot given the precision with which the 7/7 bombings were carried out and the apparent chaos surrounding these (including the bomber being chased by angry passengers, according to a couple of reports).

Originally posted by Lestat
Police are saying it's not on the scale as 7/7/05 - and there has only been one slight injury. Some transport has started running again.

Any further reports to indicate that it was the guy holding the rucksack who sustained the injury?

Originally posted by tara
So there were bombs then?
not just detinators.
Ian Blair also stated earlier that they were very amateurish attempts, - probably why they didnt go off.

BBC have suggested these may be "nuisance bobms" designed to cause panick and to shut London down for a little while. Not really designed to kill or hurt people.

Yes I agree but lets be glad they were incompetant and no one was hurt.

oops sorry, i was replying to spiffy but i was too slow.

I have to say that when I saw the news of small explosions I tended to think chemical, biological or radiological.

If these ARE nuisance bombs then the perpetrators should consider themselves lucky they weren't caught and lynched.

Joe

Police News Conference at 5:30pm

Hopefully the police will catch these gits and trace them back to their hidden networks then throw the lot of them in prison.

police putting on body armour AGAIN to enter the college hospital.
more police vans arriving there. - ongoing situation

Everyone had better get used to this kind of incident now,its probably going to become more and more the norm.
What A shambles we are now.

What another sad day for our capital city & GB for this to happen again.When will common sense prevail.

Originally posted by royjames
Everyone had better get used to this kind of incident now,its probably going top become more and more the norm.

And you base that on what evidence ? Theory ?

Lets hope they dont learn how to make bigger more effective bombs...

I saw an asian lad on the news say that there would be more to come... so this is probably just the beggining of a larger game plan.

Originally posted by Deejay
And you base that on what evidence ? Theory ?

Actually, if I was a terrorist it's EXACTLY what I'd do.

I would say it's probably on Page 3 of the terrorist's manual. Psychological pressure.

Joe

Originally posted by tara
police putting on body armour AGAIN to enter the college hospital.
more police vans arriving there. - ongoing situation

BBC not saying so?? :confused:

Originally posted by JoeP
I would say it's probably on Page 3 of the terrorist's manual. Psychological pressure

As in keep people guessing/on edge ?? (just trying to understand)

Originally posted by Avalon
BBC not saying so?? :confused:

I stand corrected: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4704247.stm

Avalon, im listening to LBC live.
a link provided by serapis earlier. they've just mentioned it again.

http://www.lbcnews1152.co.uk/article.asp?id=60542

Originally posted by tara
Avalon, im listening to LBC live.
a link provided by serapis earlier. they've just mentioned it again.

http://www.lbcnews1152.co.uk/article.asp?id=60542

BBC TV arent reporting it, but its on their website http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4704247.stm for some reason?

BBC TV are now reporting a "Significant police presence" inside UCH...but officially the incident is now over?

It is potentially a very good thing they did this because noone was hurt since they apparently only intended to scare people and they caught one. Hopefully the interrogation will to lead to the other 3 and maybe these will lead to the underlying network of people who want to conduct this campaign and they can be locked up for a *very* long time or even deported if they are not british (though this potentially just lets them loose somewhere else so maybe its better to lock them up in either case).

Originally posted by Deejay
As in keep people guessing/on edge ?? (just trying to understand)

That's right.

Also the repeated activation of emergency plans lets 'watchers' for the terrorists assess tactics of the security forces, so that they can finesse future attacks and maximise casualties in future by targetting bombs at casualty clearance areas.

Just all round evilness, really.

Joe

Originally posted by JoeP
That's right.

Also the repeated activation of emergency plans lets 'watchers' for the terrorists assess tactics of the security forces, so that they can finesse future attacks and maximise casualties in future by targetting bombs at casualty clearance areas.

Just all round evilness, really.

Joe

Wow, Joe! They might be trying to recruit you if they every read this! :o

That's an offer I will DEFINITELY turns down!!

I guess we should all be very thankful about this.

Touch wood, I for one will be popping in to the cathedral tomorrow and saying a quick thanks to the man upstairs.

And if it proves to be Al-Queda, it also shows that they make mistakes and are not the infalllible maniacs that they might like us to think they are.

Joe

Still haven't worked out if it was just to scare people or their bombs didn't work properly, if it is the latter then it seems too much of a coincidence that all their attempts failed. US news seems to be indicating that the bombs were real but the more news channels I watch, the more contradictory it gets!:confused:

Originally posted by tulip
Still haven't worked out if it was just to scare people or their bombs didn't work properly, if it is the latter then it seems too much of a coincidence that all their attempts failed. US news seems to be indicating that the bombs were real but the more news channels I watch, the more contradictory it gets!:confused:

Hi tulip,

The last I heard was that the explosives in at least one place was the same type as that used in the previous bombs, BUT the person who made them may have messed it up.

The explosives would probably have been (literally) made in a bathtub or something similar, with a large batch being made and then divided up in to smaller amounts. So if you messed the batch up, you mess all the bombs up.

I guess we'll find more out as the days progress, but the police are currently saying that they're hoping for some good forensic information from the devices recovered.

At the moment the media over here is sort of 'flapping' around a bit, looking for new news.

Joe

http://public.fotki.com/carlmalibu/london_on_the_secon/

there you go, some pictures of london main roads completely empty
the last picture shows boards that all say "delayed" (the station that I was supposed to travel home from, the picture didnt come out too well.
there was no panic, I was in a tube station that was evacuated, everybody was disgruntled more than panicked or scared, but the bombs werent about that
Ive not checked but i imagine the FTSE 100 is down a fair amount

economic terrorism I guess

anyway the pictures are there, the bus might have been one of the ones with the bomb, I'm not sure

there were LOADS of secret service around, a mile around warren st. station was shut and it took us ages to get to st pancrass (which as I say was closed)
got home in the end though!

Carl Malibu, Sheff Forums own photojournalist, signing out
;)

I was in London too today - there were lots and lots of police around Kings Cross - I don't know whether that made me feel safer or more worried.

What was causing some worry was a rouour that St Pancras was closed due to a bomb there....fortunatly this was not true.

I fear that royjames is correct in stating that attacks such as this will become more common. Anybody who thinks otherwise are kidding themselves. We have got a problem, a BIG problem,probably the worst situation since WW2.

Originally posted by Nimrod
I fear that royjames is correct in stating that attacks such as this will become more common. Anybody who thinks otherwise are kidding themselves. We have got a problem, a BIG problem,probably the worst situation since WW2.

that is a bit over the top. The ira did this for many many years. Theyve been going 2 weeks.

Also how about the cuban missile crisis? I think almost getting nuked is more serious.

Originally posted by nightrider
that is a bit over the top. The ira did this for many many years. Theyve been going 2 weeks.

Also how about the cuban missile crisis? I think almost getting nuked is more serious.

Yes, along with :

October 1973 - the US went to DEFCON 3 for teh first time since the Cuban Missile Crisis during the Yom Kippur war.

November 9th, 1979 - training tape fed in to NORAD computers and started people flapping about a possible Russian attack.

June 3rd 1980 - computer chip failed at NORAD causing a false alarm that ended up with B52s scrambling.

Each of these situations could have obliterated the country. These guys will no doubt cause problems and more deatrhs and destruction but they're beatable.

The problems that threaten the existence of the country are not usually the ones we see on the news until long after the event.

Joe

Originally posted by JoeP
Yes, along with :

October 1973 - the US went to DEFCON 3 for the first time since the Cuban Missile Crisis during the Yom Kippur war.

November 9th, 1979 - training tape fed in to NORAD computers and started people flapping about a possible Russian attack.

June 3rd 1980 - computer chip failed at NORAD causing a false alarm that ended up with B52s scrambling.

Each of these situations could have obliterated the country. These guys will no doubt cause problems and more deatrhs and destruction but they're beatable.

The problems that threaten the existence of the country are not usually the ones we see on the news until long after the event.

Joe


there was an even more recent one where norway launched a rocket and the russian goverment forgot to tell the military. The only reason they didnt nuke us all was the guy on duty disobeyed orders and reasoned the americans wouldnt be stupid enough to attack with one missile. The military then proceeded to court martial the poor man for disobeying orders!

anyone know what the van is on photo #5? There was one exactly the same on Napier Street in Sheff 2 days ago! If thats related to police operations what was going on? The size of the dish is the most noticeable thing, the rear doors and side dorr were all open and it was jammed floor to ceiling with electronic gear.

Originally posted by nightrider
there was an even more recent one where norway launched a rocket and the russian goverment forgot to tell the military. The only reason they didnt nuke us all was the guy on duty disobeyed orders and reasoned the americans wouldnt be stupid enough to attack with one missile. The military then proceeded to court martial the poor man for disobeying orders!

The military mind....a thing of wonder to most of us. :)

Perhaps we should club together and give the guy a present!

Thanks Joe,
I found this ITN link, after I read your post, it seemed to offer more info than the BBC;http://www.itn.co.uk/news/820917.html (http://)

Originally posted by tulip
Thanks Joe,
I found this ITN link, after I read your post, it seemed to offer more info than the BBC;http://www.itn.co.uk/news/820917.html (http://)

You're welcome - from what's now being said it appears that the explosives may have gone 'off' in the time since they were made and become effectievly useless.

One of the bombers is reported to have tried to detonate his bomb by shooting it with a handgun.

Truly bizarre but most welcome turn of events.

Have to say that one of the luckiest men in London today has to be the guy who was arrested at the gates of Downing Street with a rucksack. I'm surprised the police didn't shoot him on sight!

Joe

Originally posted by JoeP
You're welcome - from what's now being said it appears that the explosives may have gone 'off' in the time since they were made and become effectievly useless.

One of the bombers is reported to have tried to detonate his bomb by shooting it with a handgun.

Truly bizarre but most welcome turn of events.

Have to say that one of the luckiest men in London today has to be the guy who was arrested at the gates of Downing Street with a rucksack. I'm surprised the police didn't shoot him on sight!

Joe Maybe lucky and stupid go together! Is there any info on what he was planning? I heard it was not connected to the other terrorist attacks.

I think maybe the failed bombing attempt is a godsend, the anti terrorist squad should be able to gather a lot of information from this episode? I feel terrible for those people on the tubes. I can only begin to imagine how terrifying it must have been for them.

OK maybe I am making wild and radical assumptions here but IF so called Muslim terrorists are to blame for both attacks on our capital and the killing and wounding of scores of our fellow citizens why haven't I heard any Muslim cleric give any outspoken and positive plans of action to combat future attacks.

OK I am aware of the problems with the media and I take everything they say with a pinch of salt and have conditioned myself to extract only facts from news reports and discount speculation and theories until they are proven, but the last thing I remember hearing was that Tony Blair had requested a meeting with Muslim leaders but that most Muslims were pesimistic of it actually producing any positive effects - what a load of crap - well why dont Muslim leaders request a meeting with our government and be seen to be active in preventing further attacks on our Great Country - I acknowledge that this may have happened and it is just bad reporting by our media.

After the last attacks the stories of how to prevent retaliation against the muslim community outweighed how the security services were going to prevent further attacks against the whole community.

Counter brainwashing undoing what was done to them in Pakistan when they return from the Al Qaeda training camps to Britain.

I remember also a report on the news with an interview with a young Muslim and she mentioned 'the war in Iraq' and I got the impression that she was in some way using this to defend what these murderers had done in London on 07/07/05. This should not be allowed we know only the names and faces of the bombers and not of the victims - we should meet aggression with aggression and brutality with brutality.

I have lived in Oman and have visited other Middle Eastern countries and I have nothing against any economic migrants coming to Britain in order to better their lifestyle but we must not forget that we all owe this good country something ( I am the son of immigrants also) and this should come before anything else.

I am so angry about what is happening at the moment not frightened just p***ed off, we should be proud of the way Britain just carries on as normal after these attacks and the Great British Resolve but we should do more to hunt down these pigs and punish them - I am sick to death of this tread softly lovey dovey approach to things - If somebody attacks you in a pub you fight back you don't just stand there and let them keep punching you.

I was critical of the USA after September 11th but now I know how they must have felt and whilst it seems that going into Iraq was based on lies etc they did retaliate and capture Saddam Hussein.

I honestly don't know what will prevent further attacks but we need to do something and if it escalates into WW111 then so be it we could hold our heads high after the last one and we will after the next one - I am fit and ready to defend our nation and I will be on the front line.

So a message to would be terrorists ' I hope you rot in hell once you have been hung and chopped up and force fed to hungry dogs'.

Melbournian,

Check this out - Muslim Leaders in the UK issuing a fatwa against suicide bombings.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4694441.stm

Also, Tony Blair has met with Muslim leaders.

Capturing Saddam Hussein had sod all to do with 9/11 - I support the war in Iraq and even I would agree that Iraq has had little to do with arming and supporting Al-Queda.

Finally, if WW3 did break out you'd be in the same situation as the rest of us - waiting in our improvised fall out shelters whilst the waiting for the big ones.

Joe

Joe

Thanks for informing me.

Good on them - its a good thing they see Salman Rushdies Satanic Verses an attack on Islam in the same way they see the attacks on London.

As for Saddam Hussein having 'sod all' to do with September 11th I would dispute this strongly especially seeing the actions of his supporters in Iraq and the way they are still fighting our and allied troops. The world is a little bit safer with him behind bars and who knows if he was still in Power these attacks on London may have been worse - IF he did have Nuclear / Biological weapons (as some believe he did and they were smuggled to Syria) who knows if it would have been easier to use a dirty Bomb on the tube.

One thing for sure with a choice between Al Qaeda and Western governments I think Saddam Hussein would be seen to support Western Governments whilst secretly harbouring Al Qaeda criminals.

round them all up and send the ****s home we dont need this s**t

Originally posted by melbournian
Joe

Thanks for informing me.

Good on them - its a good thing they see Salman Rushdies Satanic Verses an attack on Islam in the same way they see the attacks on London.

As for Saddam Hussein having 'sod all' to do with September 11th I would dispute this strongly especially seeing the actions of his supporters in Iraq and the way they are still fighting our and allied troops. The world is a little bit safer with him behind bars and who knows if he was still in Power these attacks on London may have been worse - IF he did have Nuclear / Biological weapons (as some believe he did and they were smuggled to Syria) who knows if it would have been easier to use a dirty Bomb on the tube.

One thing for sure with a choice between Al Qaeda and Western governments I think Saddam Hussein would be seen to support Western Governments whilst secretly harbouring Al Qaeda criminals. Both the US and the British governments have admitted that Sadam had nothing to do with Sept 11th! They blamed their 'scape goats' for bad information as they always do!

melbournian - there was also a full page advert in The Guardian today from the Muslims for Britain Campaign.

Under a black ribbon, it was headed "Not In Our Name" and continued -

"The Muslim communities across Britain are united in condemning the terrible atrocities of July 7th in London.

We are united with the rest of the country at this sad time and pray for the victim's families and those injured. We have also lost close friends and relatives".

There is more, but too long for me to copy and post all of it, but in answer to your question, the advert also contains this -

"We are determined to work with the wider society to remove pockets of all forms of extremism in Britain".

I trust that, along with the information posted by JoeP, this addresses the point in your post about the response of our Muslim community in Britain.

Originally posted by tazz
round them all up and send the ****s home we dont need this s**t I'm sure if they could find 'them' they wouldn't send them home, they would prosecute them as sending 'them' home would serve no purpose at all! I think it would encouraged people who wanted a free airline ticket home to commit terrorists acts and give themselves up:confused:

Originally posted by tulip
I'm sure if they could find 'them' they wouldn't send them home, they would prosecute them as sending 'them' home would serve no purpose at all! I think it would encouraged people who wanted a free airline ticket home to commit terrorists acts and give themselves up:confused:

Good point tulip. Well said. :thumbsup:

Hopefully, when we catch 'them' (whoever they are) - they will be locked up for life. Not sent somewhere else to carry on bombing. Ridiculous idea.

A "Fatwa" ? ? - - - isn't that the same as the priest telling you "You will never go to heaven, if you don't obey the Commandments".
The collection of Muslim leaders? ?
A bit like a crowd of poodles trying to control the Rabid Hounds, that were slavering outside while they were speaking.
Let's see them naming a few of the vipers, and putting them up for deportation. I don't care if they are tortured and beheaded when they get there. Their poisonous thoughts and words are probably why they had to run in the first place.

Originally posted by sheffco
A "Fatwa" ? ? - - - isn't that the same as the priest telling you "You will never go to heaven, if you don't obey the Commandments".
The collection of Muslim leaders? ?
A bit like a crowd of poodles trying to control the Rabid Hounds, that were slavering outside while they were speaking.
Let's see them naming a few of the vipers, and putting them up for deportation. I don't care if they are tortured and beheaded when they get there. Their poisonous thoughts and words are probably why they had to run in the first place. So you wouldn't want the terrorists of the tube bombings in London & the brains behind 9/11 brought to trial? They would be in an even better position to advise muslim EXTREMIST groups organise more effective attacks against the west if the were simply sent 'home' wouldn't they?

Hi Tulip
Just read the posts for the past couple of days on this thread, and on the "London Bombings" thread, and you will see exactly what I would want done with these terrorists and their associates and defenders.

I also agree in that we cant simply deport the terrorsits. They will simply come back and maybe stronger. Although i wouldn't say no to depoiting them by a rocket up there backside.

As i've stated in the past, my opinion is that thinsg will get a lot worse before it gets better. I still hope that many of the muslim communities will try to un-mask potential terrorists as although i'm pleased to see the 'fatwa' i suspect this is more to deter retilation than identify terrorsists.

Very glad to see the bombs didn't work and as already stated the evidence left behind is now greater. Lets catch them before threy come back again!

Originally posted by sheffco
A "Fatwa" ? ? - - - isn't that the same as the priest telling you "You will never go to heaven, if you don't obey the Commandments".


Well, that's what is within their power to do.

You can't have it all ways about Islamic Fundamentalists - either these bombers are driven by religious fervour and should tehrefore take on board what the religious leaders of their faith say, or they disobey and by doing that clearly show themselves to be no ore fired by religion than any other bunch of mass murderers.

I have to say that I'm heartened by this Fatwa, as it will reinforce with Muslims in this country that these acts are NOT acceptable in the face of God.

It does more to alleviate the situation than all the 'string the ******** up' speeches will ever do, because most people advocating the stringing up of these people are not doing much else except inflaming the situation.

Joe

I would have a lot more respect, if the Immam's started Publicly Denouncing and expelling, the fanatical clerics in their midst.

Originally posted by tulip
I'm sure if they could find 'them' they wouldn't send them home, they would prosecute them as sending 'them' home would serve no purpose at all! I think it would encouraged people who wanted a free airline ticket home to commit terrorists acts and give themselves up:confused:

We have to be seen to do something - and it has to be something radical. If I may use this analogy - Cancer is one of the 1st diseases because it starts inside your body and if it spreads it kills you slowly.

At least if they did send terrorists home or even ones that the Security Services were suspicious of they would be easier to control and it would be easier to defend ourselves against attack.

I would not advocate the death penalty seriously because there is always the element of doubt (Ruth Ellis, Hanratty etc) but sending them back to countries that are now safer because of our and allied Military is not IMO such a draconian action.

Originally posted by JoeP
Capturing Saddam Hussein had sod all to do with 9/11 - I support the war in Iraq and even I would agree that Iraq has had little to do with arming and supporting Al-Queda.


It may have had nothing to do with 9/11 directly but indirectly it had a hell of a lot to do with it. Saddam was an avid supporter of foreign militant forces, especially those in Palestine. He funded suicide bombers and paid compensation to suicide bombers families. Haven't you noticed the relative quite in the Israel / Palestine conflict? Hisbula and their ilk are running out of money, so less people are prepared to blow them selves up, knowing that their death will not result in financial help for their families.

Without the Hussein gravy boat, the Middle East is becoming less aggressive, not to mention the affect it has had on Libya.

Originally posted by redrobbo
melbournian - there was also a full page advert in The Guardian today from the Muslims for Britain Campaign.

Under a black ribbon, it was headed "Not In Our Name" and continued -

"The Muslim communities across Britain are united in condemning the terrible atrocities of July 7th in London.

We are united with the rest of the country at this sad time and pray for the victim's families and those injured. We have also lost close friends and relatives".

There is more, but too long for me to copy and post all of it, but in answer to your question, the advert also contains this -

"We are determined to work with the wider society to remove pockets of all forms of extremism in Britain".

I trust that, along with the information posted by JoeP, this addresses the point in your post about the response of our Muslim community in Britain.

Words are useless without action, and that’s something we have seen very little of from the UK's Muslim community.

If the Muslim community does not remove these people who perpetrate these actions in THEIR name, the only outcome will be complete alienation from the wider community which will only result in more of the same!

We are at a cross roads here and the people with the power to take us down the peaceful root are sitting on their hands!

Is Islam wants peace? Then they need to get their own house in order, pure and simple.

Originally posted by serapis
[B]Words are useless without action, and that’s something we have seen very little of from the UK's Muslim community./B]
What sort of action do you suggest?

NEWS FLASH: POLICE SHOOT SUSPECTED SUICIDE BOMBER


Police have shot a suspected suicide bomber near a tube station in south London.

Marksmen opened fire near Stockwell Tube station as passengers were evacuated. It was not clear what the suspect's injuries were.


If the suspect is confirmed to be a suicide bomber, it would mark the fifth attempted terrorist attack on London in less than a day.

More to follow...

BREAKING NEWS: SUICIDE BOMBER SHOT

Police have shot a suspected suicide bomber near a tube station in south London.

Marksmen opened fire near Stockwell Tube station as passengers were evacuated. It is thought the man was killed.


Passenger Briony Coetsee said: "We were on the Tube and then we suddenly heard someone say `get out, get out' and then we heard gunshots."

Sky News Crime Correspondent Martin Brunt said: "There is no word on whether he has been killed or simply injured."

If the suspect is confirmed to be a suicide bomber, it would mark the fifth attempted terrorist attack on London in less than a day.

The is thought to have been either stepping on to the train or was on the platform.

Brunt said: "He was probably shot in the head. There is no confirmation of that."

Police have been given orders to shoot to kill if they believe someone is about to detonate a bomb.

Two underground lines are understood to have been closed following the incident.

More to follow...

BBC News
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706787.stm

Man shot at Stockwell station - - - police baggage check - - man ran away - - pursued by armed police and shot several times.
BBC News.

'SUICIDE BOMBER' SHOT

Police have shot a suspected suicide bomber at a tube station in south London.

Air and road ambulance crews have been sent to the scene.

If the suspect is confirmed to be a suicide bomber, it would mark the fifth attempted terrorist attack on London in less than a day.

A Scotland Yard spokesman said: "We can confirm that just after 10am armed officers shot a male at Stockwell underground station."

The man is thought to have been either stepping on to the train or was on the platform.

Brunt said: "He was probably shot in the head. There is no confirmation of that."

Police have been given orders to shoot to kill if they believe someone is about to detonate a bomb.

Brunt said: "The officer or officers involved in this clearly felt this suspect was about to detonate a bomb."

Tube services on the Victoria and Northern Lines were suspended at the request of police..

More to follow...

Reports are comming in of armed police surroudning the "East London Mosque"....

im fairly sure its an independent news broadcasting van. nothing dodgy.