a friendly dog being taken because of how it looks ....
PLEASE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGJjJIWOOvc
watch from 3.40 til 8.00...

theres many things wrong....suspected bad dog...yet its a lovely looking dog...
many staffys and crosses love grabbing trees...and as for prob wants it for fighting she obv forgets its his pet...
this is happening daily and must be stopped!
http://notobsl.webs.com/
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/notobsl/

Unbeliveable, That was never a Pit Bull

the way she pulled it about was crazy...it was found to be a pitbull and destroyed it said at the end of the show

wish i could have watched it it jumpd every 2 seconds

I watched this episode and was completely shocked that this dog was destroyed. The dog was not found to be a 'pit bull' because there is no reliable method to test this. It was found to be a 'pit bull type' which basically means the judge has looked at it and deemed it to be pit bull type, based on looks alone and not behaviour.
This is the problem with breed specific legislation.This dog did not display any aggressive tendencies, even though the police 'dog handler' (I say this loosely as she handled it appallingly) dragged it around in an unneccessary manner.
It frightens me because I own a ridgeback x mastiff who doesn't look disimilar to the dog featured on the show and she is as soft as anything. I worry now that the police could just take her and deem her to be dangerous based on looks alone even though she is clearly not pit bull!

yup its all about "type" not what the actual dog is or if it is an actual threat
hence my petition this show just gave a case study of what actually happens

Actually, the chap DID try to slip the dog's collar! (it's very clear at about 7mins 20 that this is what he was trying to do) I think the fact that the chap never got back in touch with the police after the dog was seized, speaks volumes about how little he must have cared about the dog in truth, for all his supposed "protestations" to the police.

I agree that it's not fair that the dogs (like this one who seemed to be a lovely natured dog) should have to suffer under BSL.

The problem is, whilstever you have the cretins, indiscriminately breeding these dogs, (usually for fighting) and swaggering their way around sink estates trying to look tough, we are going to have incidents these dogs seized under the current laws. it is sad, but if the dog fits the template for the dangerous dogs act, the police are obliged to act.

Imagine the outcry there'd be amongst the red-top newspapers, and such-minded members of the public, if the police hadn't seized such a dog, and it went on to attack a child?

It's terrible that the animals are paying the price, when they don't ask to be bred, don't ask to be "used as weapons"/ used in fighting. but until people breed responsibly, and also shape up, by neutering their animals, this is the situation we are going to find ourselves in.

Actually, the chap DID try to slip the dog's collar! (it's very clear at about 7mins 20 that this is what he was trying to do) I think the fact that the chap never got back in touch with the police after the dog was seized, speaks volumes about how little he must have cared about the dog in truth, for all his supposed "protestations" to the police.

I agree that it's not fair that the dogs (like this one who seemed to be a lovely natured dog) should have to suffer under BSL.

The problem is, whilstever you have the cretins, indiscriminately breeding these dogs, (usually for fighting) and swaggering their way around sink estates trying to look tough, we are going to have incidents these dogs seized under the current laws. it is sad, but if the dog fits the template for the dangerous dogs act, the police are obliged to act.

Imagine the outcry there'd be amongst the red-top newspapers, and such-minded members of the public, if the police hadn't seized such a dog, and it went on to attack a child?

It's terrible that the animals are paying the price, when they don't ask to be bred, don't ask to be "used as weapons"/ used in fighting. but until people breed responsibly, and also shape up, by neutering their animals, this is the situation we are going to find ourselves in.

it is unfortuate he didnt try claim the dog but many people dont actually know where they stand regarding this law...if its so wooly as to go by "type" and not behaviour, many people with dogs that could be seized as a"type" have a lovely family dog and dont know the first thing about the law regarding the dog as they dont see why it would apply to their lovely family pet

the red top papers are already crying out for the blood of "type" dogs and how dangerous they are...they dont think that most dog bites seen in hospitals being done by spaniels, a pomeranian killing a young child or the that the first face transplant was done due to a mauling by the family favourite labrador...but damage by the andrex puppy wouldnt sell papers.

it is unfortuate he didnt try claim the dog but many people dont actually know where they stand regarding this law...if its so wooly as to go by "type" and not behaviour, many people with dogs that could be seized as a"type" have a lovely family dog and dont know the first thing about the law regarding the dog as they dont see why it would apply to their lovely family pet

the red top papers are already crying out for the blood of "type" dogs and how dangerous they are...they dont think that most dog bites seen in hospitals being done by spaniels, a pomeranian killing a young child or the that the first face transplant was done due to a mauling by the family favourite labrador...but damage by the andrex puppy wouldnt sell papers.

I agree with pretty much the whole of your second paragraph...

I was mauled on two occasions, by dogs when I was a child:- aged five by a labrador, and aged 10 by a jack-russell-terrier-cross-corgi that was never under control, which used to roam our district, and had a lengthy reputation for being vicious. I still have the scars on my face from that attack. This is why I drummed into the kids and grandkids the proper etiquette of how to behave around dogs, and especially dogs you don't know.

Concerning your first paragraph, no, maybe they didn't know the law, but if my dog had been seized by the police, I, personally, would have attempted to move heaven and earth to prevent a loved family pet from meeting that fate.

To me it just seemed like the fella thought, "Sod it, I'll cut me losses and get another..." the "concerned owner"-thing seemed to me to be nothing more than a show.

If you are getting any dog, with some staffy in it, you have to be aware that in some cases, certain mixes (such as shar-pei X-staffys, or mastiff-staffy crosses in particular) are going to have the potential to look like bandogs or pit-bulls, which are covered by the Act.

I myself have had staffs, and english bull terriers, in the past. I've found them delightful dogs, especially if they are well-socialised, well controlled, and well-trained.

Many people freak out, like idiots, when they see a staffy, even if it's on a lead, even though it's totally not necessary to do so...

I agree with pretty much the whole of your second paragraph...

I was mauled on two occasions, by dogs when I was a child:- aged five by a labrador, and aged 10 by a jack-russell-terrier-cross-corgi that was never under control, which used to roam our district, and had a lengthy reputation for being vicious. I still have the scars on my face from that attack. This is why I drummed into the kids and grandkids the proper etiquette of how to behave around dogs, and especially dogs you don't know.

Concerning your first paragraph, no, maybe they didn't know the law, but if my dog had been seized by the police, I, personally, would have attempted to move heaven and earth to prevent a loved family pet from meeting that fate.

To me it just seemed like the fella thought, "Sod it, I'll cut me losses and get another..." the "concerned owner"-thing seemed to me to be nothing more than a show.

If you are getting any dog, with some staffy in it, you have to be aware that in some cases, certain mixes (such as shar-pei X-staffys, or mastiff-staffy crosses in particular) are going to have the potential to look like bandogs or pit-bulls, which are covered by the Act.

I myself have had staffs, and english bull terriers, in the past. I've found them delightful dogs, especially if they are well-socialised, well controlled, and well-trained.

Many people freak out, like idiots, when they see a staffy, even if it's on a lead, even though it's totally not necessary to do so...

i do see your point...some people are overwhelmed and think theres nothing they can do but he also could of been not as bothered as he first seemed...all we have is what the police said...tbh i wouldnt trust them 100% after the way they manhandled the dog...only one person knows andthats the owner.

i think instead of this silly section one which says all dogs of a "type" are dangerous therefore they are saying all other dogs arent, people should be made to proove they are capable of keeping a dog responsibly...yes it would cost money but surely its a better way to spend the millions that are being wasted on DDA

Disgusting. I've had a dog in class who looked very similar and she was rehomed from the City pound... she was in need of a home and the pound saw fit to rehome her. She's absolutely gorgeous but could've easily been the dog in the vid (well she's rehomed to a family which may make a difference but who knows?)

I have to confess I don't think she particularly manhandled the dog although her attitude stank.

The whole 'type' thing is plain ridiculous and just a sad illustration of our society :(

Disgusting. I've had a dog in class who looked very similar and she was rehomed from the City pound... she was in need of a home and the pound saw fit to rehome her. She's absolutely gorgeous but could've easily been the dog in the vid (

It is horrible. I lot of people approach me and tell me that mine is a red nosed pit bull, though I don't think the muzzle helps :lol: He has got some sort of bull breed in there and we reckon some labrador as he has the brick head and wide jaw and his eyes are a little slitty but his ears are much much bigger. His body is pretty much labrador though and fur length is slightly longer than a labrador in places so I don't know where he gets that from. He is a powerful dog but not muscle bound like a staffy and the best thing is he is a big softy :)

I used to really panic at first but we got him from the RSPCA and I'm sure that they pts any suspect pit types and do not rehome them.

There is what I suspect is pit bull at the training I go to. It is a beautiful blue dog (a rescue) but it is so powerful and much bigger than a staffy and much wider than D but much shorter legged with a deeper muzzle. Looks like it's been on the steriods :lol:

It is horrible. I lot of people approach me and tell me that mine is a red nosed pit bull, though I don't think the muzzle helps :lol: He has got some sort of bull breed in there and we reckon some labrador as he has the brick head and wide jaw and his eyes are a little slitty but his ears are much much bigger. His body is pretty much labrador though and fur length is slightly longer than a labrador in places so I don't know where he gets that from. He is a powerful dog but not muscle bound like a staffy and the best thing is he is a big softy :)

I used to really panic at first but we got him from the RSPCA and I'm sure that they pts any suspect pit types and do not rehome them.

There is what I suspect is pit bull at the training I go to. It is a beautiful blue dog (a rescue) but it is so powerful and much bigger than a staffy and much wider than D but much shorter legged with a deeper muzzle. Looks like it's been on the steriods :lol:

I suppose it's good that the owner of that dog at your training place is trying to be responsible, and ensure that the dog is well trained, and well-socialised.

I feel sorry for the dogs - i'll be honest - i would be very careul as to what dog i would have around my children as i do believe dogs have a bred in temperament. I would prefer to have a border collie or a st bernard - something tha has been bred NOT to bite at all and is not notorious for a specific breeding such as akitas -pitbulls- terriers etc etc. Doesnt mean i dont like these breeds of animal and think that they make good pets.

The fact is its the owners who condemn the dog - its sick gits who get a kick out of dog fighting - maybe we should try putting them down.

Oh and just as an extra thought - EVERY dog has the ability to turn on a person.

I'd actually be more wary of a border collie for a pet dog than a staffy! Border collies can be highly neurotic in a home environment due their strong working tendencies. I have known many collies to nip because that is what they often do when working. They can get agitated around children if they don't have sufficient exercise and stimulation. My dad had to re-home his collie when my sister was a baby because she showed strong herding tendencies when she was toddling and it was becoming a worry.
I'm not saying they are all like this and as I've said before, every dog has the ability to become aggressive and a responsible owner will ensure their dogs are properly trained and socialised from a young age.

But border collies are bred not to bite because if they bite the sheep they are no good.

Ivesaid same just saying those were my preferred breeds lol.

yeah border collies are known for nipping! then again most terriers are known for being yappy and head strong and spaniels kown for being intelligent. but lets face it its not the dog its what you do with it and all dogs are completley different re personality my sisters springer is a complete moron i'd love to see him try and get in the police dog unit bless him.:hihi:

i hate all this fuss at the moment on this subject it makes me very edgey. i think typical humans created the problem and are now destroying the dogs they see as the cause its stupid. i saw the programme and have read up lots on the subject of BSL and i know it to be true that even after a dog has been decided upon as "type" if it is not deemed dangerous ie it hasnt bitten anyone then if you agree to have the dog neutered/spayed to muzzle it in public places and be a responsible owner then they will allow you to have it back! the man was clearly a looser and didnt deserve the dog anyway it was probably better off away from him.

owning a bull breed or large powerful dog menas you have to constantly defend them against peoples prejudices and all this nonsense from the goverment is making the problem worse. no wonder so many staffie, staffie crosses, rotweilers ect are in rescue. each dog should be taken on individual merit and not just destroyed because pig headed humans decide so. i think its making owners of the types of dog mentioned very bitter it certainly is me :rant:

I feel sorry for the dogs - i'll be honest - i would be very careul as to what dog i would have around my children as i do believe dogs have a bred in temperament. I would prefer to have a border collie or a st bernard - something tha has been bred NOT to bite at all and is not notorious for a specific breeding such as akitas -pitbulls- terriers etc etc. Doesnt mean i dont like these breeds of animal and think that they make good pets.

The fact is its the owners who condemn the dog - its sick gits who get a kick out of dog fighting - maybe we should try putting them down.

Oh and just as an extra thought - EVERY dog has the ability to turn on a person.

pitbulls and staffys were bred not to bite...they were bred to fight other dogs and any dog in the line that wasnt perfect with humans ( as well as fighters the dogs were also family dogs) was destroyed
more spaniels bites are recorded in hospitals than other breeds

Taken from the website dogbiteclaims :
A recent study carried out on 6,000 dogs and their owners found out 33 of the most aggressive dogs, and also those which have good temperaments. The study involved collecting data from two different groups. The first group consisted of 11 different breeds and the second was an online survey mainly involving owners, including 33 breeds. The conclusions from both groups were similar. It looked at the different types of aggression such as towards other dogs, towards strangers and towards owners. Some of the results were surprising, below are the top ten most aggressive breed:

1.Dachshunds
2.Chihuahua
3.Jack Russell
4.Australian Cattle Dog
5.Cocker Spaniel
6.Beagle
7.Border Collie
8.Pit Bull Terrier
9.Great Dane
10.English Springer Spaniel

The top ten least aggressive dogs:

1.Labrador Retriever
2.Rhodesian Ridgeback
3.Poodle
4.Greyhound
5.Whippet
6.Brittany Spaniel
7.Siberian Husky
8.Golden Retriever
9.Havanese
10.Portuguese water dog

I must say there are some surprises on here. I've owned springer spaniels for years, have 2 at the moment and they are excellent with my son. But then I socialise and train all my dogs appropriately.

AmiJ - Pit bulls were not bred to fight other dogs. They were developed in the 19th century and first used to bait bulls and bears then later used for protection, guarding, driving livestock and companionship.
The staffy actually appeared in the top 10 breeds most suitable for a families with children in a university report in 1996. Again these were bred for similar purposes as the pit bull, it was only when Britain introduced animal welfare laws that dogfights were arranged because they were cheaper to organise and conceal from the law.
So your comments that they were bred to fight other dogs is not strictly true.

I have a lovely Bull Mastiff that I took in because her owner had used her to produce countless puppies which he sold then once she started getting a little older he decided he was going to dump her.

She is great really well behaved and really soft and likes nothing better than to have hugs and slobber on me, the trouble is every time I take her out people just avoid me like the plague they cross the road when they see us and I know its all the media hype to blame making out all of these type dogs are dangerous.

Personally it doesnt surprise me in the slightest that the most dangerous dogs are the little yappy ones, my daughter was bitten by a Pomeranian thankfully it was not to serious.

I could have picked 6 of the 10 most aggressive without even trying hard. I'm surprised the labs were on the non agressive list tbh

If i remember correctly it alleged the dogs were dna'd before pts. Our anger should be directed at dog breeders and owners not the authorities for doing a job "we" have asked them to do.
If the owners was concerned enough he should have done something about it - just like the hundreds of strays picked up and never claimed.

I'm also surprised that lab's are on the non-aggressive list. I recall another survey fairly recently that suggested lab bites were quite common, I can't find a link to it now though.
I don't think dna testing for breeds is possible, this is why they refer to 'type' rather than breed itself, because there is no reliable way to test for sure that a dog is a pit bull it goes purely on appearance which is very subjective.
I definitely agree that the onus should be put on responsible breeding and ownership but the government has a responsibility to bring in a scheme where this can be monitored effectively.