On the news this morning, A Councillor from Wolverhampton said he would like to get rid of our National song "Land of hope and Glory"

Has he got a point?
I think so. I will also answer the lottery thread at the same time.

If I won the lottery, I would get the hell out of here while we still can!.

In that case we should wander around singing it at every opportunity, even if it's just to annoy our elected representatives.

I wonder whether these people realise how much they act as recruiting Sergeants for the far right by picking on such things?

I would love to see our Government and local elected representatives taking on a few 'hard targets' like big business, inefficient government departments, rising violent crime and decaying urban landscapes rather than the tough questions of the day like banning songs.

Joe

Lets just declare Wolverhampton as a rogue state and give Bush a ring ;) Maybe he doesnt think Wolverhampton is a land of hope or glory! :rolleyes:

Can we come to a compromise?

Let's sing it in the same accent as the Indian fella at the end of It Ain't Half Hot Mum. All together now: 'Land of hope and glory, Mother of the free'.

SHAAADDDAAAAAPPPPPPP!!!

Sitars give it more of a multi-ethnic feel than violins and cellos, dontchathink?!

I'm warming to the idea.

I think we should show understanding to anyone in Wolverhampton if they occasionally manifest signs of dottiness. The performance of the Wolves in recent years has been enough to drive all Wolverhamptonians completely mad - a situation exacerbated by the shameless flaunting by Baggies' supporters of their Premiership status.

Originally posted by Ousetunes
Can we come to a compromise?

Let's sing it in the same accent as the Indian fella at the end of It Ain't Half Hot Mum. All together now: 'Land of hope and glory, Mother of the free'.

SHAAADDDAAAAAPPPPPPP!!!

Sitars give it more of a multi-ethnic feel than violins and cellos, dontchathink?!



Hahah, I used to love that as a kid "Mr lardy da gunner Graham" Winsor Davies rocked.

Why is it politicians have this fantastic ability to take something no-one cares about, and get it in the news, so even less people care. Next weeks headline "MP for Wigan says we should stop singing humpty dumpty, because the sky is blue" or similar..

Joel

Originally posted by Joelc
"MP for Wigan says we should stop singing humpty dumpty, because the sky is blue" or similar..
Joel

More like "Do Gooders" saying it might be offensive to Fat people or summat.

Originally posted by viking
More like "Do Gooders" saying it might be offensive to Fat people or summat.
Or traumatic as they "couldn't put Humpty together again".

Originally posted by Carmine
Or traumatic as they "couldn't put Humpty together again".

I bet "Bob the builder could" (So my lad tells me):blush:

Originally posted by Carmine
Or traumatic as they "couldn't put Humpty together again".
It was only a "deferred success", they'll "put Humpty together again" eventually...

...unless some unfeeling fascist warps their mind into thinking they can't of course.

;)





PS: I like Ousetunes' idea, the sitars really would do it !

:)

Originally posted by viking
On the news this morning, A Councillor from Wolverhampton said he would like to get rid of our National song "Land of hope and Glory"


Slight qualification, which does not necessarily alter the foolishness of the proposal:

"get rid of" is in fact a proposal to replace LOHAG in the Wolverhampton Council Service of Remembrance. The proposal is to replace it with "Sailing" by Rod Stewart as this would have "greater relevance" to younger people!!!

Originally posted by cgksheff
a proposal to replace LOHAG in the Wolverhampton Council Service of Remembrance. The proposal is to replace it with "Sailing" by Rod Stewart as this would have "greater relevance" to younger people!!!

Thats with Wolverhampton being a major Port is it? :loopy:

Here you go again,trying to please the immigrants ,maybe you ought to tell them to go to hell.
Land of hope and glory is something to be sung out loud by all you english .
Why do some people want to kill all your traditions?


Good that in Poland nobody wants to ban our great national songs.
If somebody is immigrant then he/she should be ready to hear national songs of country in which he is living in.If they don't like that they should go home and sing their songs in their country.
Maybe you think that 'God save the Queen' also should be banned, just to show how much you love your non-white immigrants. I am sure that they will be very pleased if you do that. To thank you they will put some bombs in public places to show how much they are grateful
Do you really want your children to sing african or pakistan songs instead of your british songs?

Originally posted by polish_lady
...Do you really want your children to sing african or pakistan songs instead of your british songs?
At the moment "The Wiggles" seem quite popular...

...and they're Australian.

:o

;)

Originally posted by polish_lady
Here you go again,trying to please the immigrants ,maybe you ought to tell them to go to hell.

Immigrants?????

Wolverhampton council will decide on the motion forwarded by the Labour councillor Peter O'Neill.

He said: "The matter was raised at a previous meeting of the Festival of Remembrance working party when I was acting chairman. I expressed my personal view that the song had political connotations.

"If the working party members wish the song to feature in the celebrations, it shall certainly do so."

He declined to say why exactly he objected to Edward Elgar's Pomp and Circumstance and why he thought the words written for it were political, adding: "It's just my personal view."

He said Sailing would be a more appropriate song because it was more relevant to the younger generation.

Originally posted by cgksheff
Immigrants?????

Wolverhampton council will decide on the motion forwarded by the Labour councillor Peter O'Neill.

He said: "The matter was raised at a previous meeting of the Festival of Remembrance working party when I was acting chairman. I expressed my personal view that the song had political connotations.

"If the working party members wish the song to feature in the celebrations, it shall certainly do so."

He declined to say why exactly he objected to Edward Elgar's Pomp and Circumstance and why he thought the words written for it were political, adding: "It's just my personal view."

He said Sailing would be a more appropriate song because it was more relevant to the younger generation. may i suggest that if he ever attends a rememberance parade he asks the opinion of the people who are on the parade,and the first three words of the song should be enough to unite all parties / religions/races that live here

We ought to make it our national anthem.And tell this Brummy to sod off...Chuffin idiot:loopy: :rant: :rant:

This (http://www.newi.ac.uk/rdover/blake/jersalem.htm) should be our national anthem! :clap:

Originally posted by viking
On the news this morning, A Councillor from Wolverhampton said he would like to get rid of our National song "Land of hope and Glory"

Has he got a point?
I think so. I will also answer the lottery thread at the same time.

If I won the lottery, I would get the hell out of here while we still can!.

How ridiculous. Bad timing too, only a few days after the boxer Amir Khan chose the song to go out to the ring to in a show of national unity and pride. I think it could even be promoted to National Anthem (if the monarchy ever goes, especially).

Originally posted by Don_Kiddick
This (http://www.newi.ac.uk/rdover/blake/jersalem.htm) should be our national anthem! :clap:

That is a most moving song .
I remember being at the Labour party conference at the Sheffield arena, and a lone cornet player playing that, It was brilliant.

I just would like to change the word "Lamb" to "PORK" in the song (Not a lamb fan:suspect: )

If the service of remembrance is to honour the memory of those who lost their lives in two world wars for this country, then surely it is only right that we should respect the values they held dear and believed in. Thos who fought in the two world wars would have known this tune - indeed some of the Sheffield Pals may well have witnessed the Sheffiwld performance of the Coronation Ode where LOHAG is to be found- and it is more fitting that we use LOHAG than something written by a 60 year old born during the war.

Isn't LOHAG originally an American song?! Not that I have anything against the US (well not much anyway)...

What utter rubbish. Of course this song should not go. On the contrary it is at times like this that a patriotic song is most needed.

Originally posted by Rich
Isn't LOHAG originally an American song?

Most certainly not!

It is an original composition. The music by Sir Edward Elgar and the words by Arthur C. Benson.

Originally posted by polish_lady
Here you go again,trying to please the immigrants ,maybe you ought to tell them to go to hell.


Really? So what were you doing in Wolverhampton telling them to get rid of LoHaG?

Originally posted by burnttoast
We ought to make it our national anthem.And tell this Brummy to sod off...Chuffin idiot:loopy: :rant: :rant:

You have already insulted the guy without probably realising it by calling him a Brummy.

As for Sailing, well, there are lots of canals around Wolverhampton.

....and its the birthplace of Slade. If Slade can do a good Christmas anthem I am sure they can do a good national anthem.

Wolverhampton................................!!!
I'm surprised he's got the cheek and impudence to suggest anything if he comes from Wolverhampton.

Well this is ridiculous.

One man, says in his personal opinion, they shouldn't play that song, but if they do, thats fine, he won't complain.

And all of a sudden do-gooders and immigrants are trying to wreck this great country of ours??

Have a little perspective!

wonder how bad it sounds in a wolverhampton accent

I still think that the national anthem should be replaced with a stirring rendition of Jerusalem.

Just another example of a guilty white middle class liberal with a degree in social studies missing the big picture but nevertheless narking off a lot of otherwise reasonable people for no reason at all. Plonker. Bit like those people who want to ban the term Christmas. Bloody hell, if I moved to Israel would I expect them to "tweak" hannukah for my benefit? I think not.

He didn't say that it would be offensive to immigrants though, he just said he thought it was political.

I dn't necessarily agree with him, but he's got the right to put that as a motion, and see if people agree with him. I think stories like this get blown out of all context.

It is amazing how quickly one man voicing an opinion becomes "look what they're doing now, banning the national anthem"

Even the title of this thread is frankly absurd. Its not going to go, obviously!

Originally posted by polish_lady
Here you go again,trying to please the immigrants ,maybe you ought to tell them to go to hell.
Land of hope and glory is something to be sung out loud by all you english .
Why do some people want to kill all your traditions?


Good that in Poland nobody wants to ban our great national songs.
If somebody is immigrant then he/she should be ready to hear national songs of country in which he is living in.If they don't like that they should go home and sing their songs in their country.
Maybe you think that 'God save the Queen' also should be banned, just to show how much you love your non-white immigrants. I am sure that they will be very pleased if you do that. To thank you they will put some bombs in public places to show how much they are grateful
Do you really want your children to sing african or pakistan songs instead of your british songs?

This is just precious! where does the 'non white' come into it? Personally I'd happily get rid of 'god save the queen' as I don't see the point in our monarchy, but that's another issue.

I find it highly amusing that as an immigrant you like to bang on about immigrants living in this country. Oh yeah, it's just the one's that have different skin to you isn't it?

Originally posted by Carmine
Or traumatic as they "couldn't put Humpty together again".
Bearing in mind that Humpty was a very large gun, I doubt if it could offend anyone.

I read about this but it's nothing to get worked up about. I think the bloke suggested another song to appeal to younger people and underestimated that younger people can still have strong feelings for traditions. His comments were made privately as a suggestion too, and I think he's feeling a bit stupid about it now by the sounds of it. ;) I think it's got blown out of all proportion, a bit like the Gideon bible story which was more about the books harbouring germs than anything else. Makes you realise you have to be even more careful of what you say these days and think about both ends of the political spectrum. :rolleyes:

He must be a very naive man indeed not to realise he'd cause uproar with that. Why doesnt he deal with the real, actual, non-trivial issues regarding his constituency. When he's done that, then he can come back and share his mental meanderings with all and sundry.

To be fair, you dont know this man, or what he's done for his community, maybe he has been and dealt with real issues for his constituency.

:rolleyes:

Hes probably just another guardian reader,typical liberal with no sense of tradition and identity.
Its to be expected.:thumbsup:

"To be fair, you dont know this man, or what he's done for his community, maybe he has been and dealt with real issues for his constituency." Nope, maybe his constituency really is a squalor-free haven of enlightened and moral evolved beings and he's just resting on his laurels. But from now until he dies he'll be forever known as "that guy who wanted to get rid of LOHAG" Not a very good epitaph for his career is it? Maybe he should be a little more "political" next time.

PS I read the guardian.

I wonder how many people have sung this tune starting with the words;

"We hate Nottingham Forest............"

Don't ever remember people getting uptight about that.........

LAND OF HOPE AND GLORY

Dear Land of Hope, thy hope is crowned.
God make thee mightier yet!
On Sov'ran brows, beloved, renowned,
Once more thy crown is set.
Thine equal laws, by Freedom gained,
Have ruled thee well and long;
By Freedom gained, by Truth maintained,
Thine Empire shall be strong.

Land of Hope and Glory, Mother of the Free,
How shall we extol thee, who are born of thee?
Wider still and wider shall thy bounds be set;
God, who made thee mighty, make thee mightier yet.
God, who made thee mighty, make thee mightier yet.

Thy fame is ancient as the days,
As Ocean large and wide:
A pride that dares, and heeds not praise,
A stern and silent pride:
Not that false joy that dreams content
With what our sires have won;
The blood a hero sire hath spent
Still nerves a hero son.

The "Land of Hope and Glory" is the outcome of collaboration between the composer, Edward William Elgar (1857-1934) and Arthur C. Benson (1862-1925).

Elgar had already earned a reputation as a composer with the two Pomp and Circumstance Marches (1901). The first of these appealed so much to the successor of Queen Victoria, Edward VII, that Elgar was commissioned to compose a work for the coronation of the king, later to be known as the "Coronation Ode" (see below).

He worked in close collaboration with Arthur C Benson who provided words for the music. It was also suggested that a section of the first Pomp and Circumstance March should also have words and become the climax of the "Coronation Ode". The result is the song "Land of Hope and Glory". The Ode was completed in April 1902 and earned Elgar a knighthood in 1904. The Ode was also performed at the coronation of King George V in 1911.

Coronation Ode

Land of Hope and Glory,
Mother of the Free,
How may we extol thee,
Who are born of thee?

Truth and Right and Freedom,
Each a holy gem,
Stars of solemn brightness,
weave thy diadem.
Tho' thy way be darkened,
Still in splendour drest,
As the star that trembles
O'er the liquid West.
Throned amid the billows,
Throned inviolate,
Though hast reigned victorious,
Though has smiled at fate.

Land of Hope and Glory,
Fortress of the Free,
How may we extol thee,
Praise thee, honour thee?
Hark, a mighty nation
Maketh glad reply;
Lo, our lips are thankful,
Lo, our hearts are high!
Hearts in hope uplifted,
Loyal lips that sing;
Strong in faith and freedom,
We have crowned our King!

The sentiments don't seem much different from the National Anthem - though at least LoH&G isn't anti-Scottish, unlike God Save The Queen.

Sounds like a throw away line that was blown out of proportion by a journalist. Just out to create mischief. :smile:
Seams to have worked ,with S F people anyway.

Originally posted by peterdo
Sounds like a throw away line that was blown out of proportion by a journalist. Just out to create mischief. :smile:
Seams to have worked ,with S F people anyway.

Yep! especially with an immigrant from Poland asking for immigrants to be told to go to hell- err... screw missing methinks.

Originally posted by LordChaverly
....and its the birthplace of Slade. If Slade can do a good Christmas anthem I am sure they can do a good national anthem.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Class idea!

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