Over the past few days, since Sheffield City Council's decision to reject plans for the Conran designed 32 storey tower, we've had plenty of discussion about what, if anything, is wrong with Sheffield in 2005.

I'd like to move this discussion forwards now and ask you to jump aboard Doc Brown's DeLorean and transport yourself ten years into the future. You're in Sheffield in 2015. What do you see?

Has the new retail quarter regenerated the city? What shops are trading there? Has it been built at all? How does the city skyline look? What jobs are people doing? Is Sheffield competing with other cities or has it stagnated or even gone backwards?

What do you expect to see?

Sheffield Sean

I think your topic 's a good one but you MAY not get a lot of replies.
For those who think Sheffield Council don't really know what they're doing , the , "target " is too easy.What I mean is that S.C. are a sitting-target for people to scorn and have a laugh at but we've laughed at them or scorned thema lot lately , so it'd be a bit like kicking a man when he's down. Dunno , though , could be wrong ?
For those who think Sheff. Council will improve matters by 2015 , well , they may contribute but even then , it's difficult for them too. How can anybody predict what Sheffield Council are going to do next year , never mind in 10years time ?

This is one of the questions that needs serious thought but off the cuff i'd say -
A much improved transport system. Supertram extended to many areas and a much larger and improved inner and outer ring road. The PTE to have a certain control over bus routes and fining operators for non-compliance!

Ikea decision and reversed with an Ikea off the parkway. The City Centre with more and varied shops, but also located in a way in which makes sense. A new and modern indoor and outdoor market which blends into the City?

Also better intregation between all religions in comparison to how it is now.

Oh and Sheff Wed striving for the Premiership title! :D

Originally posted by Fareast
Sheffield Sean

I think your topic 's a good one but you MAY not get a lot of replies.
For those who think Sheffield Council don't really know what they're doing , the , "target " is too easy.What I mean is that S.C. are a sitting-target for people to scorn and have a laugh at but we've laughed at them or scorned thema lot lately , so it'd be a bit like kicking a man when he's down. Dunno , though , could be wrong ?
For those who think Sheff. Council will improve matters by 2015 , well , they may contribute but even then , it's difficult for them too. How can anybody predict what Sheffield Council are going to do next year , never mind in 10years time ?
I agree with your statement however, Sheffield city Centre has over the past 15 years changed from being a bustling shopping and business centre, to what I can only describe as a ghost town with boarded up buildings where shops that had done business for many, many years closing due to such projects as Meadowhall.
Regeneration projects in the suburbs with their own Super Stores has also had a great impact, where more people do not need to go into the centre for anything.n Therefor, Why bother with any regeneration of the City Centre?

The SC itself is to blame for the degeneration of this city Centre over the past 20 years,
Surely the money required to regenerate it would be better put to use creating jobs and industry than building more buildings that will sit empty and making everything look "Nice"

what can I personally expect to see in 2015?

High unemployment within the City Centre, Boarded up buildings and a SC in a lot of debt!

More Pound shops?

I expect to see Gridlock... EVERYWHERE!

Very Deep Potholes

A big sign saying 'Closed for Refurbishment' perhaps.

Or... a big crater and a radioactive wasteland.

Or... hordes of workers clad in sackcloth shuffling down the mines, watched by a Dalek.

Actually, and most depressingly of all, I'd probably be tapping my time machine and saying 'Does this thing work?', when I don't notice any difference at all to the present state of affairs.

Originally posted by PopT
Very Deep Potholes

They are here already:rant:

I think you mean't roads that are so broken up and unattended that they are unusable... A bit like Loxley road is becoming out towards Bradfield.

One huge speed bump. Oh and loads of cranes still

Originally posted by youwhatref
This is one of the questions that needs serious thought but off the cuff i'd say -
A much improved transport system. Supertram extended to many areas and a much larger and improved inner and outer ring road. The PTE to have a certain control over bus routes and fining operators for non-compliance!

Ikea decision and reversed with an Ikea off the parkway. The City Centre with more and varied shops, but also located in a way in which makes sense. A new and modern indoor and outdoor market which blends into the City?

Also better intregation between all religions in comparison to how it is now.

Oh and Sheff Wed striving for the Premiership title! :D

I'll note now after re-reading the title (doh) :loopy:

Mines a wish list!

Flying Cars :clap:

What I'd like to see is a return to the excellent, economically priced public transport system that Sheffield had up to about 20 years ago when nearly everyone travelled by bus because it was affordable reliable and well used. Sadly I think that is most unlikely.

Originally posted by wendygs
What I'd like to see is a return to the excellent, economically priced public transport system that Sheffield had up to about 20 years ago when nearly everyone travelled by bus because it was affordable reliable and well used. Sadly I think that is most unlikely.

Spot on! I think the same. In 2015 ideally I would like to see crime reduced, hardly any grafitti, more for young people to keep them off the streets. But I know a magistrate and he said that ten years ago the amount of people that came into the court was not mainly drug users as it is today so i predict in ten years that Sheffield will be over run with drugged up people that are that addicted that no one can save them.

A high street consisting solely of Greggs'

Originally posted by Broomster
A high street consisting solely of Greggs'
Subways, McDonalds and StarBucks.

A Sheffield by the sea after Rotherham is washed away by raising sea levels :thumbsup: our first chav MP running the city council.

I expect to see a city of European importance as promised,But i doubt i will ever see that.

Lol Greggs, arnt there five on the Moor?

A city 'twinned' with downtown Istanbul

Probably Sheffield looking the same as now.

Maybe it will look the same in ten years but maybe not in say twenty years or even fifty years, maybe by then technology will have vastly improved and developed and and the world will be different

Originally posted by Kerry_Lou
Maybe it will look the same in ten years but maybe not in say twenty years or even fifty years, maybe by then technology will have vastly improved and developed and and the world will be different
One thing we can be certain of - Leeds, Liverpool and Manchester will see plenty of changes in the next 10 years though, and Sheffield needs to change, otherwise it will fall even further behind - and my definition of change is better buildings, better skyline, better bars and nightclubs, better shopping areas with better shops offering more variety, better employers, more and better paid jobs and better career opportunities, and better career opportunities, coupled with better bars and shops helps create a vibrant atmosphere more in line with Leeds, Manchester and Nottingham. At the end of the day, we need Sheffield to be more like Leeds and less like Barnsley.

Originally posted by firecracker
One thing we can be certain of - Leeds, Liverpool and Manchester will see plenty of changes in the next 10 years though, and Sheffield needs to change, otherwise it will fall even further behind - and my definition of change is better buildings, better skyline, better bars and nightclubs, better shopping areas with better shops offering more variety, better employers, more and better paid jobs and better career opportunities, and better career opportunities, coupled with better bars and shops helps create a vibrant atmosphere more in line with Leeds, Manchester and Nottingham. At the end of the day, we need Sheffield to be more like Leeds and less like Barnsley.

I agree Sunshine! Din't Tony Blair claim that since he has been the PM that he's done lots for sheffield? i don't really see any evidence of this? Leeds and Manchester are so well developed it would take on long time and money to even come close to what they are like

Ok here goes: more upmarket bars and restaurants, a choice of shops to rival any of Britain's major cities; all ugly architecture razed to the ground; a shiny new international train station; more luxury flats; no cranes; no tramps outside the cathedral; less feral children and Big Issue sellers; an extended tram network; flat roads; happy bus drivers; and maybe a decent museum and an art gallery.

Oh, and no more Moor.

I'd like to see Halifax Road tidied up for people coming into the city from the north.

Grenoside's quite pleasant, but Halifax Road - what a $hithole!

:gag:

I expect to see a Council that aren't complete retards... And me in a decently paid job...

Hopefully at least 1 of those will happen, I especially hope the bit about me having a good job happens...

Originally posted by Kerry_Lou
I agree Sunshine! Din't Tony Blair claim that since he has been the PM that he's done lots for sheffield? i don't really see any evidence of this? Leeds and Manchester are so well developed it would take on long time and money to even come close to what they are like
I'll admit he's done more for Sheffield than what Thatcher and Major did. They let Sheffield crumble and didn't give a damn, just so long as the Tory-voting South and leafy shires were kept happy. I can remember the weed-strewn wastelands that characterised the Thatcher years, and to be honest, what we're seeing now is a comparative renaissance compared with then. But there is still a lot to do before Sheffield develops to anywhere near the extent of Leeds.

Originally posted by firecracker
I'll admit he's done more for Sheffield than what Thatcher and Major did. They let Sheffield crumble and didn't give a damn, just so long as the Tory-voting South and leafy shires were kept happy. I can remember the weed-strewn wastelands that characterised the Thatcher years, and to be honest, what we're seeing now is a comparative renaissance compared with then. But there is still a lot to do before Sheffield develops to anywhere near the extent of Leeds.

Not wanting to sound like the lord mayor of Sheffield, but what on earth is so great about Leeds?

You fellow Sheffield'ers are the only people i know who love Leeds so much :loopy:

Sure they have Harvey Nich's, Shelley's and a few nice little clothes shops. Apart from that all i see is filth, Chavs-a-plenty and stupidly laid out roads.

Originally posted by Unisol
Not wanting to sound like the lord mayor of Sheffield, but what on earth is so great about Leeds?

You fellow Sheffield'ers are the only people i know who love Leeds so much :loopy:

Sure they have Harvey Nich's, Shelley's and a few nice little clothes shops. Apart from that all i see is filth, Chavs-a-plenty and stupidly laid out roads.

Agree with you there. People make out like leeds is some sort of utopia but its got its own big problems. And also why does everyone bang on about nottingham being so great!? Its really not that great. I know sheffielders like to moan moan moan but come on its not as bad as everybody makes out, in fact i would go as far as saying its actually quite nice! Always a pleasure to come back to sheff.

SheffieldSean ,

Well , I was wrong , you have got plenty of replies . I didn't want to pour , "cold water " on your thread but I thought this topic had more or less run its course . Sorry !
Don Kiddick mentions that perhaps in 10years time , Sheffield could be twinned with , "Downtown istanbul ".
Comparing Istanbul to Sheffield is a bit like comparing Sheffield to Catcliffe. Istanbul has a population of about 12,000,000 , about 24 X that of Sheffield. In additon , Istanbul doesn't have a , "downtown " area. It's like London in that respect , it has a whole series of , "centres .
Although Istanbul has a great many modern high -rise buildings , they are not centred in the old parts of Istanbul.
They have managed to retain their historic sections and have built their modern buildings elsewhere------usually on the fringes of the city centre , not IN it.
The transport system is crowded , but excellent . Ferry-boats , buses , , "dolmuses " -[shared taxis ] , minibuses , private taxis , the two Metros , , the two mainline railways [Europe and Asia lines] and the minibuses all operate on a logical system. Once you get familiar with it , you can travel all over Istanbul [as big in area as Belgium ] with no hassle. Does that sound like Sheffield ?
An example of Istanbul city life ? There is one area called , "Besiktas " , after the football team . It is situated just where the ferry takes you [every 15 minutes ] to the Asian side of Istanbul [ 2 or 3 possible destinations ]. The area has a fresh fruit and vegetable open -air market,an open-air fresh fish market , currency changing shops , numerous cafes , restaurants and bars , bookshops , an untold number of specialist food shops , little supermarkets , jewellry shops and God knows what else. It's virtually pedestrianised , so people can stroll round at their leisure. Not a mugger or drunk in sight !
Apart from the ferry , there 's a bus station oppositte the ferry ; taxis everywhere , a , "dolmus " stop , and normal bus stops.
Now , this is not the , "centre " of Istanbul , just one of its inner suburbs .
Sound like it's a million miles from Sheffield ? Yes !
We might get twinned with Istanbul in 2105

Originally posted by firecracker
I'll admit he's done more for Sheffield than what Thatcher and Major did. They let Sheffield crumble and didn't give a damn, just so long as the Tory-voting South and leafy shires were kept happy. I can remember the weed-strewn wastelands that characterised the Thatcher years, and to be honest, what we're seeing now is a comparative renaissance compared with then. But there is still a lot to do before Sheffield develops to anywhere near the extent of Leeds.
Exactly what has Blair done for Sheffield since becoming PM?

Originally posted by uncleheed
More Pound shops?

76p shops by then ;)

In 2015 I expect to see the inside of a wooden box, thankfully well out of reach of self-serving half-wit politicians. :clap:

Originally posted by Greybeard
In 2015 I expect to see the inside of a wooden box, thankfully well out of reach of self-serving half-wit politicians. :clap: Ah! But the interior could be regenerated every now and then for your personal comfort through eternity........at a price......Call for a quote!
And you do realise that a one roomed box will be subjected to taxation!
Please think and pay before ye go

Rubbing my mystic ball now and looking into the future -

Sheffield 2015 hmmmmm what do I see ....

I see some new tram lines including another suspended bridge over the sheaf valley.

I see half the number of bus routes due to massive cuts by First-Last Bus Group after the oil price quadrupled in 2007.

I see some new empty city apartments which became available after the great Sheffield apartment price crash of 2008
- fortunately just in time to take up the slack for the great exodus of southern people to the northern cities after the London missile crisis of 2007

In feb, 2015, they are demolishing the last old-fashioned public house in Sheffield, yes the Queens Head must go to make way for yet another bio-tech park - people anyway now much prefer the 100s of non-smoking continental cafes now dotted around Sheffield with their 24 hour laid back lifestyle.

I see a newly developed Moor area full of posh shops and penthouse suites - and not a pigeon in site - after they all died in the great bird flu of 2009 which also took 20% of the city population at that time ... still the new Bird Flu monumment which joins the Cholera monument on the hill looks fabulous as the wings of the "shiny bird of the north" glint in the morning sunshine.

Students now make up 30% of the population with many remaining in Sheffield to work in one of the 100s of technology and bio parks and creative centres now in the city.

Many more tourists now flock back to the city to stay in one of the 52 luxury hotels in the area - they are drawn by all the fame and noteriety from the new SheffPop and SheffArt movements that started to emanate from Sheffield around 2010 when the creative hub really started to take off ....
and the Great Sheffield Art Show reached tremendous proportions with auxilliary shows once a month in all the citys green parks - there are now 7 art galleries and museums in the centre of Sheffield - once room became available when the whole cathedral area was re-modelled and razed to the ground ...

Yes the city is still as green as ever - having recovered admirably from the extremely dry summer of 2012 -
although the same cannot be said for 100s of old Sheffield houses which did not survive the serious subsidence problems -
still Sheffield rooftops are now glinting as approx. 80% of them have - with council funding - now invested in solar panels and renewable energy sources - not to mention the 111 micro
hydro dams now in position in all of Sheffields underground rivers and streams ....

Sheffield railway station is now quadruple its size from 2005 and the silver blade of light stainless steel monument (which could never have withstood all the graffiti) is now a totally
virtual blade of light - only switched on at nightfall.

Oh and yes Grafitti - that is still very much a Sheffield problem although it was a contributory factor in the new SheffArt boom - especially with the invention of glowing grafitti paints in 2008 ...
and original Sheffield grafitti is now in such high demand that pieces of walls have been known to go missing "intact"
- being "acquired" to order by rich southern art collectors .. mostly the ones that moved to Hull...

And the new airport in Tinsley is now doing well - although the flights to european destinations start from 1200 euro thanks again to the oil shock of oct 2007 ....

Ahhhhhh my crystal ball is getting misty again and think I'm taking a funny turn ... must pop down ot the Queens Head for a drink ...

A complete remodelling of Fargate complete with barriers, machines and streetforce.

The general public will still be guessing where their money is going and why.

Unhappy Days Ahead I've no doubt

A big sign at the entrance saying "West Doncaster"