With Ben Foster pulling out of the Dutch friendly i thought it would be an ideal time to give one of the up and coming English goalkeepers a chance.
Lee Grant was Premiership class at the weekend and in all honesty we would have lost had he not been in goal, he made a couple of world class stop's.
How long is it till Cappello realises he has a big talent waiting for him at Wednesday, why doesn't he get chosen, is it the fact that he's a Championship based goalkeeper?

I nearly choked on my shepherds pie reading that twaddle.

With Ben Foster pulling out of the Dutch friendly i thought it would be an ideal time to give one of the up and coming English goalkeepers a chance.
Lee Grant was Premiership class at the weekend and in all honesty we would have lost had he not been in goal, he made a couple of world class stop's.
How long is it till Cappello realises he has a big talent waiting for him at Wednesday, why doesn't he get chosen, is it the fact that he's a Championship based goalkeeper?

He might get a call when he moves to a Premiership club, and can prove himself at the top level (rather than against Jon Macken). The Peterborough keeper (Lewis?) is ahead of Grant in the pecking order, as well as the likes of Foster, James, Hart, Carson, Robinson and Green...

I nearly choked on my shepherds pie reading that twaddle.

Don't give up your day job pal :gag:

He might get a call when he moves to a Premiership club, and can prove himself at the top level (rather than against Jon Macken). The Peterborough keeper (Lewis?) is ahead of Grant in the pecking order, as well as the likes of Foster, James, Hart, Carson, Robinson and Green...

I think he's defo better than Carson after all he was at Hillsborough for a while so id say ive seen enough of him.
Joe Hart again very dodgy from what ive seen of him, Robinson hasn't played for England for a while now, and Green is another who you wouldn't trust with him making mistakes.
Did you see Foster's kicking yesterday amateur to say the least.

Theres ambition then theres just fantasy!!

Take overs, multi million pound players budget, major ground development, and the famous five,... all very humourous , but an English goalkeeper..Grant.. i nearly pi**** my self.:)

He might get a call when he moves to a Premiership club, and can prove himself at the top level (rather than against Jon Macken). The Peterborough keeper (Lewis?) is ahead of Grant in the pecking order, as well as the likes of Foster, James, Hart, Carson, Robinson and Green...

well thought out answer ,and i tend to agree -sooner or later i fear we will lose him to a prem club ,and thats when he will get his chance

Don't give up your day job pal :gag:

Your telling me not to give up my day job eh ? And you come out with a classic like GRANT FOR ENGLAND ?
Whatever next :huh:
Usually Corker goalies who play in poor teams - shine. Hence your undying optimism.
Whatever next eh ? Monty to be signed by Real Madrid before the August window closes.

IF he ever did get called up for england - the bad news would be owls would deffo lose him to a prem club !!
So not sure i would want him being called up YET

IF he ever did get called up for england - the bad news would be owls would deffo lose him to a prem club !!
So not sure i would want him being called up YET

After watching WBA and Newcastle on telly I reckon Premiership teams will be knocking on Newcastles door about Tim Krul long before they come inquiring about Lee Grant mate

Your telling me not to give up my day job eh ? And you come out with a classic like GRANT FOR ENGLAND ?
Whatever next :huh:
Usually Corker goalies who play in poor teams - shine. Hence your undying optimism.
Whatever next eh ? Monty to be signed by Real Madrid before the August window closes.

Many many Wednesday fan's will tell you that Lee Grant has got real ability.
Say what you like i feel he's more than worth a shot.:)

Many many Wednesday fan's will tell you that Lee Grant has got real ability.
Say what you like i feel he's more than worth a shot.:)

Yes deffo hes a top keeper but once hes in the spot light , then i think owls would get a offer for him and thats the last thing owls need

Can't see Grant getting a call up while he's with Wednesday in the Championship, Fabio isn't bothered about players this low down the league.

England aren't blessed with a consistantly great keeper at the moment so you never know.

After watching WBA and Newcastle on telly I reckon Premiership teams will be knocking on Newcastles door about Tim Krul long before they come inquiring about Lee Grant mate

Isn't he Dutch or German or something? I really don't think he'll be playing for England any time soon even if he gets to the Premier!

As for Grant, I really don't think he is proven enough just yet, and he has let in an awful lot of goals at Championship level to be considered for England. I'm sure that if he makes the step up he could be in the runner, though. It would be interested to find out his stats for saves/shots ratio compared with the others who have been mentioned like Paul Robinson, Matt Duke, Steve Harper, David James, Scott Carson, Robert Green and Chris Kirkland... all with Premier experience.

Can't see Grant getting a call up while he's with Wednesday in the Championship, Fabio isn't bothered about players this low down the league.

England aren't blessed with a consistantly great keeper at the moment so you never know.

Im not just saying it Stockers mate, a lot of the goalkeepers in the Championship are has beens, Loanees or overlooked, Lee Grant being the latter.

Even as a blade i have to say hes one of the best in the championship,but that's it hes no England keeper and never will be with Wednesday.:):)

I think this is a definite non-starter. Look at James Beattie scoring for fun in the Championship, yet still no call up even though Heskey gets one.

Good keeper, possible future England international, if he moves to a bigger club.

Your telling me not to give up my day job eh ? And you come out with a classic like GRANT FOR ENGLAND ?
Whatever next :huh:
Usually Corker goalies who play in poor teams - shine. Hence your undying optimism.
Whatever next eh ? Monty to be signed by Real Madrid before the August window closes.

As daft as that sounds, Madrid could've done with someone like a Monty (with his qualities anyway) when they let Makelele go a few years ago. Imagine looking at that team sheet for the Champions League Final... "7 Ronaldo... 8 Kaka... 14 Montgomery..." :hihi: They just need to add Sharp and Jeffers up front and that's job done :)

As daft as that sounds, Madrid could've done with someone like a Monty (with his qualities anyway) when they let Makelele go a few years ago. Imagine looking at that team sheet for the Champions League Final... "7 Ronaldo... 8 Kaka... 14 Montgomery..." :hihi: They just need to add Sharp and Jeffers up front and that's job done :)

And Blackwell as manager finish it off in style lol :hihi:

I think he's defo better than Carson after all he was at Hillsborough for a while so id say ive seen enough of him.
Joe Hart again very dodgy from what ive seen of him, Robinson hasn't played for England for a while now, and Green is another who you wouldn't trust with him making mistakes.
Did you see Foster's kicking yesterday amateur to say the least.

You must be kidding. Carson was absolutely superb at Hillsborough, probably better than Grant has been (that's saying something), but he's not had a good few years now, due to some awful mistakes.
Hart was playing really well at City, unfortunately for him they signed Given.
Grant has been class, but he's not near the England squad yet and he's still a bit vulnerable from crosses, though he has improved this part of his game a lot.

You must be kidding. Carson was absolutely superb at Hillsborough, probably better than Grant has been (that's saying something), but he's not had a good few years now, due to some awful mistakes.
Hart was playing really well at City, unfortunately for him they signed Given.
Grant has been class, but he's not near the England squad yet.

Carson looked like the real thing until that shocker against Croatia, and doesn't seem to have fully recovered since then. None of the English goalkeepers are that outstanding, though there is a push from the London media for Green to take the starting role from James.

Were it not for a series of injuries, Kirkland would've probably been the best of the lot, but he's seemingly out of the picture now. Grant needs to goto a more glamourous club than either in Sheffield to push his claims, though I doubt he seriously considers himself a contender yet. Just pray that Spurs don't pick up a few goalie injuries before the end of August, as you know what they're like for picking up English players!

You must be kidding. Carson was absolutely superb at Hillsborough, probably better than Grant has been (that's saying something), but he's not had a good few years now, due to some awful mistakes.
Hart was playing really well at City, unfortunately for him they signed Given.
Grant has been class, but he's not near the England squad yet and he's still a bit vulnerable from crosses, though he has improved this part of his game a lot.

Carson overall is not as good as what was first thought by a lot of football people.
He's rubbish at kicking and he's not brilliant on crosses either.

Carson overall is not as good as what was first thought by a lot of football people.
He's rubbish at kicking and he's not brilliant on crosses either.

He got a lot of practice in goal for you though, just like Grant's getting now! :)

Carson overall is not as good as what was first thought by a lot of football people.
He's rubbish at kicking and he's not brilliant on crosses either.

But he was as good if not better than Grant was in his time at Hillsborough. Who's to say Grant wouldn't struggle in the Prem, as he can be dodgy on crosses. Carson gets too much criticism imo, people pick up on the mistakes he's made, which were bad, but it doesn't make him a bad keeper. He's still quality on his day.

He got a lot of practice in goal for you though, just like Grant's getting now! :)

What make's me think is that David Jame's might well himself become a championship goalkeeper in a few months with Pompey.
Will Fabio lose confidence in him, i doubt it very much.

But he was as good if not better than Grant was in his time at Hillsborough. Who's to say Grant wouldn't struggle in the Prem, as he can be dodgy on crosses. Carson gets too much criticism imo, people pick up on the mistakes he's made, which were bad, but it doesn't make him a bad keeper. He's still quality on his day.

Scott Carson is not a good keeper mate, he's too small, too suspect on crosses and is always prone to a mistake you have said it yourself, and he's also injury prone.
If you think that's a good goalkeeper then im afraid for Englands chances in Africa pal.

What make's me think is that David Jame's might well himself become a championship goalkeeper in a few months with Pompey.
Will Fabio lose confidence in him, i doubt it very much.

But they are a Premiership club and James has proven himself at Premiership and international level, whereas Grant hasn't.

What make's me think is that David Jame's might well himself become a championship goalkeeper in a few months with Pompey.
Will Fabio lose confidence in him, i doubt it very much.

I doubt he'll pick James after the finals next year - wouldn't be surprised to see James retire after them to be honest. Regardless what division he's in, he's proved at the top level what he can do already.

Isn't he Dutch or German or something? I really don't think he'll be playing for England any time soon even if he gets to the Premier!

Didn't mean that Snook.
I meant that a Premiership club looking for a keeper would come knocking at Newcastle's door for Tim Krul long before they came huffing and puffing and blowing the Sty down for Lee Grant :D
Lee Grant has let far too many goals in at the Championship level to be even considered in the frame for a shot keeping goal for England, I would go as far as to say he's not even in the top 10-15 for a chance and that Fabio Cappello hardly knows about him

After watching WBA and Newcastle on telly I reckon Premiership teams will be knocking on Newcastles door about Tim Krul long before they come inquiring about Lee Grant mate

probably the only time i'll agree with you pal!

Scott Carson is not a good keeper mate, he's too small, too suspect on crosses and is always prone to a mistake you have said it yourself, and he's also injury prone.
If you think that's a good goalkeeper then im afraid for Englands chances in Africa pal.

Difference is though that Grant isn't in the public spotlight like Carson has been. Ever since that cockup against Croatia, he's had any errors he's made highlighted (particularly as he's played generally at Premier Level). Grant hasn't appeared on live tv too often in comparison, and there are few highlights shown of championship matches.

probably the only time i'll agree with you pal!

fair play mate :thumbsup:

Difference is though that Grant isn't in the public spotlight like Carson has been. Ever since that cockup against Croatia, he's had any errors he's made highlighted (particularly as he's played generally at Premier Level). Grant hasn't appeared on live tv too often in comparison, and there are few highlights shown of championship matches.

With the change in rights to show Championship matches, it should be easier for any1 to see the quality these unsung player's at Championship level possess.

As much as I think that he is a very good keeper, is he the best in the Championship? Probably not comes to mind, sure he gets a lot of practice due to a less than secure defence.

I hang my hat on Gordon Banks who for game after game, for the likes of fairly average clubs, such as Leicester and Stoke, was the best player on the pitch. However when he played behind a very good defence, that was that of England, and only had the occasional world class save to make, he was more than up to it.

So Lee certainly has the first part sorted, and conducts himself admirably. However, what happens when he's leaning against the upright reading his newspaper and has to snap into action to pull off the occasional world class save against world class players?

Yes, Ray Clements did it having started at Scunthorpe, so we have to lose Lee to find out, unless BL has a master plan that will propell us into the Premiership. I love your optimism Corker, get a bet on it lad. :thumbsup:

Scott Carson is not a good keeper mate, he's too small, too suspect on crosses and is always prone to a mistake you have said it yourself, and he's also injury prone.
If you think that's a good goalkeeper then im afraid for Englands chances in Africa pal.

Too small? He's must be 6ft 3 at least. I think Carson has got too much stick, all keepers make mistakes - James, Seaman and Pressman, all great keepers made some high profile mistakes. Carson was a better overall keeper at Hillsborough than Grant has been- not taking anything away from Grant, as he's been fantastic.

Too small? He's must be 6ft 3 at least. I think Carson has got too much stick, all keepers make mistakes - James, Seaman and Pressman, all great keepers made some high profile mistakes. Carson was a better overall keeper at Hillsborough than Grant has been- not taking anything away from Grant, as he's been fantastic.

Well that say's it all then at 6 foot 3 he should be commanding in the air, that he is not by any stretch of the imagination.

Well that say's it all then at 6 foot 3 he should be commanding in the air, that he is not by any stretch of the imagination.

Same could be said about Grant then.

Too small? He's must be 6ft 3 at least. I think Carson has got too much stick, all keepers make mistakes - James, Seaman and Pressman, all great keepers made some high profile mistakes. Carson was a better overall keeper at Hillsborough than Grant has been- not taking anything away from Grant, as he's been fantastic.

Yes, just one mistake for your country as a keeper and you're yesterday's news, albeit, god knows how many matches as a striker without scoring is just bad luck. :confused:

Seaman actually dropped one of the biggest ******** in Englands world cup history when he let Ronaldhinos free kick go in from 200 yards, but he's still one of the most decorated English goalkeepers of all time.

i can't see him getting a call up until he plays in the prem and maybe at a more glamarous club. he is probably one of the better keepers in the championship but until he gets a go in the prem we wont know. he has to be good to play behind our defence but can he go 70 minutes without having to anything then making a great save, we just dont know. i'm sure he will play in the prem at some point but england, cant see it

He shines because of the extremely dodgey defence he plays behind week in week out.. If he has 20 shots at him every game hes going to save more than he lets in.. Ive heard that hes not amazing in the air, and could be better at commanding his area, but hes a brilliant shot stopper.. a number of keepers in the Championship are better than him imo.

And the award for the craziest post of the century goes to Corker!!!!!

Grant for England, what a load of old drabble that is, as mentioned a lot earlier England holds far better keepers than Grant for one, and then on top of that if things go as they are being lined up to be, what with Arsenals Almunia gaining citizenship I can see him coming into the pecking order very shortly too, and to be fair Grant just doesn't weigh up to any of the current England 1st choice or borderline keepers.

And just to add to that, he conceded 2 against Barnsley, so do we really want him in goal for the Three Lions??? I think not!!!!


Stooooooooopid!

Yes, Ray Clements did it having started at Scunthorpe,

You mean Ray CLEMENCE mate ?

not good enough

Don't give up your day job pal :gag:

Hahahahahahaha