Wrote it off on that notorious fatal accident site by grenoside, Penistone Rd North

I cant believe it. according to witnesses the car jumped about 8 foot in the air and flipped round about 4 times before landing upside down.

It was on that corner (which for some reason is set to the national speed limit) got clipped from the back, car lost control, I tried to gain control but it just werent happening.

As soon as I knew what was about to happen I just closed my eyes, and braced for impact. The car was totalled. I got out 100% uninjured, God knows how. I should be dead right now. It really makes you think.

So if you drove past last night and saw a car on its head that was me. Sorry for the inconvenience in you getting past lol

p.s. it was a Red Subaru Crunchie :thumbsup:

Sounds nasty - you were very lucky!

did the driver that hit you stop?

Glad to hear you got away unscathed :) we go up that road a lot, is it the bit that veers off into one lane from the two just before the cross roads?

It was on that corner (which for some reason is set to the national speed limit)

I'm not in any way having a go at your driving but, the national speed "limit" is just that and if you don't feel safe doing that speed then ease off a little.

Hope you're back on the road soon :thumbsup:

Originally posted by _johnnyb_
I'm not in any way having a go at your driving but, the national speed "limit" is just that and if you don't feel safe doing that speed then ease off a little.

Hope you're back on the road soon :thumbsup:

Yeah im not making excuses or anything, I totally agree with you, what im saying is that the place where i crashed was on a corner aswell which made it worse and harder to gain control

the only person that stopped was another witness. some friendly lads and a ladess.

Marvellous description, just relived my ill fated encounter with a exit slip road off the M50(going into Wales) in a Peugeot 205. Don't know how I walked away from that one.

Sorry to hear about that Spyro and I hope you are ok. One positive thing to take out of this, is that the police will not be stopping you in it anymore.:thumbsup:

Originally posted by spyro2000
It was on that corner (which for some reason is set to the national speed limit) got clipped from the back, car lost control, I tried to gain control but it just werent happening.

What part of the sign that reads FATAL ACCIDENT BLACKSPOT didn't put you off going round that spot fast????? :confused:

This may sound daft but were u racing the other car or did you know the people in the other car?

no i didn't know the other car and no i was not racing. its silly drivers like them that make good drivers like me and many more have accidents.

Originally posted by spyro2000
no i didn't know the other car and no i was not racing. its silly drivers like them that make good drivers like me and many more have accidents.

Lol, sorry gotta chip in after laughing at your last post! :hihi:

'Good drivers like you' don't fly round corners lose control and write your cars off!!

A good driver is like me, who has driven for 12+ years and never been pulled over, never been caught speeding and never had an accident. But still has to pay high premiums because idiots in fast cars drive too fast and cause too many accidents.

Having said that, I'm glad to hear you got out of that one unscathed. I wouldn't wish injuries on anyone...

Little confused?? So you were driving along the road and someone drove into the back of you as you were going round the corner??

You probaby got caught on the speed camera aswell as you went though Greno village...just to add insult to injury.. How many others were in the car at the time, did they all get out ok aswell.?

I know this is grave-jumping, but I was offered a couple of bargain Scoobs yesterday. PM me if you want putting in touch with the chappie (he's clearing stock and getting out of importing).

For the information of those who had a pop at Spyro's driving, it's pretty hard to lose control of a Subaru Impreza at any speed, due to the phenomenal grip its four-wheel drive system affords. But if somebody understeers into its tail section as it is in a corner it will prove tricky to get back into shape, given the presence of kerbs and other obstacles. Even at 40mph that sort of knock will result in a bit of a disastrous crash for the smackee, while the other car is likely to have little more than a damaged corner to show for the encounter.

Although it sounds nasty and your very lucky on the bright side of things theres one less scooby on the roads !!!!

yippeee :)

Originally posted by Briano
Lol, sorry gotta chip in after laughing at your last post! :hihi:

'Good drivers like you' don't fly round corners lose control and write your cars off!!

A good driver is like me, who has driven for 12+ years and never been pulled over, never been caught speeding and never had an accident. But still has to pay high premiums because idiots in fast cars drive too fast and cause too many accidents.

Having said that, I'm glad to hear you got out of that one unscathed. I wouldn't wish injuries on anyone...

i'm sure your amazing driving skills would have stopped the accident AFTER SOMEONE DROVE INTO THE BACK OF YOU.

I'm sorry, but did the people critisising(sp) not see the bit where someone drove into Spyro?
The corner is safe in the dry at 60, but no corner is safe if someone else runs into the back of your car, you're almost guaranteed to loose the back end immediately and find yourself going sideways.

Originally posted by Cyclone
i'm sure your amazing driving skills would have stopped the accident AFTER SOMEONE DROVE INTO THE BACK OF YOU.

I'm sorry, but did the people critisising(sp) not see the bit where someone drove into Spyro?
The corner is safe in the dry at 60, but no corner is safe if someone else runs into the back of your car, you're almost guaranteed to loose the back end immediately and find yourself going sideways.

I would say I was driving too fast if someone 'clipped' my rear end and I ended up 'flying 8 foot in the air' then 'flipped around 4 times'!! (Spyro's words).

And of course I've never been in a situation where that could have happened to me - yeah right!! I just know how to read situations, play it safe and not drive high powered cars too fast...

Originally posted by RazorSHarp
You probaby got caught on the speed camera aswell as you went though Greno village...just to add insult to injury.. How many others were in the car at the time, did they all get out ok aswell.?

If he was travelling away from shefield the camera would not have got him as it is set to catch traffic travelling the other way.

If he was travelling towards sheffield, he would have crashed before he got to it.

That's if he was speeding at all.

Originally posted by Briano
I would say I was driving too fast if someone 'clipped' my rear end and I ended up 'flying 8 foot in the air' then 'flipped around 4 times'!! (Spyro's words).

And of course I've never been in a situation where that could have happened to me - yeah right!! I just know how to read situations, play it safe and not drive high powered cars too fast...

well, you must a) have never driven about 40 miles an hour, and b) have such good driving skills that you actually control the driving of everyone around you, that certainly is impressive.

If someone clipped you whilst doing 70 on the motorway you may well end on your roof spinning around. That's because the clip pushes your rear end out and then your tyres grip and the car flips into the air.
I fail to see how spyros speed around the corner would contribute to someone running into his rear. Or how if going around the corner at that speed is safe (when not being rammed) how it could be considered unsafe now.

It does appear that you've made some assumptions and jumped to some conclusions based on the car he drives.

Making assumptions and jumping to conclusions is a skill many members of this forum specialise in.

...

I was going quite fast I will admit that, but i was within the speed limit. So ill hold my hands up to that, totally stupid of me. I can only assume that whoever was behind me "assumed" that I wanted to 'race', which I didnt and never do. I always get that, you get chavs in their suped up Novas trying to impress when they see a Subaru in front of them. Yes I have or should I say had a fast car, but I never ever race it as I have seen some of the consequences.

as for the flipping round, that wasnt me that said that, thats what I was told happend, sounds like a bit of an exageration to me but i dont know. Witnesses came from the opposite direction.

Originally posted by Cyclone
well, you must a) have never driven about 40 miles an hour, and b) have such good driving skills that you actually control the driving of everyone around you, that certainly is impressive.

If someone clipped you whilst doing 70 on the motorway you may well end on your roof spinning around. That's because the clip pushes your rear end out and then your tyres grip and the car flips into the air.
I fail to see how spyros speed around the corner would contribute to someone running into his rear. Or how if going around the corner at that speed is safe (when not being rammed) how it could be considered unsafe now.

It does appear that you've made some assumptions and jumped to some conclusions based on the car he drives.

Oh dear Cyclone, now you're losing your touch on reality!

When you stop comparing doing 70 on a motorway to taking a corner on a single lane road at a slow enough speed to not 'flip around 4 times' if you're hit! Or indeed when you stop suddenly changing being 'clipped', to being 'rammed'! - then I'll argue sensibly with you.
It seems you're not only assuming things in this case, but completely changing the facts too!!

Your splitting hairs now. Clipped and rammed describe the same thing, just a difference in severity.
And that corner is actually safe at 60, that's why it doesn't have a lower limit imposed on it.

And no I won't stop making comparisons and drawing analogies, it's how you progress a discussion.

If you drive around in a way that means someone else running into you would never cause you to loose control of the car, then I expect you are a danger to yourself and others simply because you are driving so slowly and out of step with what other traffic expects to find.

Originally posted by Cyclone
Clipped and rammed describe the same thing, just a difference in severity.

:hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

Lol, look 'clipped' and 'rammed' up in ye dictionary if you've got one Cyclone!!

Originally posted by spyro2000
...

I was going quite fast I will admit that, ....I can only assume that whoever was behind me "assumed" that I wanted to 'race', .

Hmm? All sounds fishy to me. Going quite fast at a known accident blackspot. The car behind "assuming you want a race" and then being close enough on a bend to run into the back.

You stick to that story, you may just get away with it. I drive every day and haven't seen a Subaru being driven slowly or carefully yet.

What happened to the car that clipped you? someone must have seen it. did it stop? are the police looking for it? what was it? we can keep an eye out for it as it may have minor bumper includfing some red paint.

When he first said 'clipped', I assumed that the nearside front or back wheel had clipped the kerb or a bad drain cover.

Hi,

Sorry to but in this post, but i have been reading and having a good laugh at some of the comments made.

Spyro, i feel sorry for you, glad you got out of the accident ok, but must have been gutting to loose your car in that way. I dont see why people have to stereotype you for having a fast car, not everyone who has a nice/fast car drives it like an idiot all the time.

If you were driving within the speed limit then i dont see what people's problems are, if you drove into the back of someone, then fair enough you were going too fast, but because someone drove into the back of you then surely THEY were the ones going too fast!! rediculous!!

Briano, are you one of these people that drives in national speed limit areas at 40 mph?? If so, do you realise that this type of driving causes more accidents because if you are in a national speed limit zone, people want to go faster and if they cant cos of someone doing 35 mph everyone drives closer to eachother, being less likely to stop in time.

Hope you get back on the horse soon Spyro!! Good luck

Originally posted by KenH
Hmm? All sounds fishy to me. Going quite fast at a known accident blackspot. The car behind "assuming you want a race" and then being close enough on a bend to run into the back.

You stick to that story, you may just get away with it. I drive every day and haven't seen a Subaru being driven slowly or carefully yet.

I couldnt give a dam if you believe me or not. And like ive said before, yes I think that maybe i was going a bit too fast, ill admit that, i was within the limit, but going too fast none-the-less. as for your comment on them being close enough to touch my car, doesnt that say something about how they were driving and not me? There aint many cars that can keep up with a subaru unless they are pushing it, which is why I assume they were probably trying to race or something

The other car got off, I didnt see what it was, all I saw was headlights in the mirror coming towards me, bright aswell.

Originally posted by Lisa86
Hi,

Sorry to but in this post, but i have been reading and having a good laugh at some of the comments made.

Spyro, i feel sorry for you, glad you got out of the accident ok, but must have been gutting to loose your car in that way. I dont see why people have to stereotype you for having a fast car, not everyone who has a nice/fast car drives it like an idiot all the time.

If you were driving within the speed limit then i dont see what people's problems are, if you drove into the back of someone, then fair enough you were going too fast, but because someone drove into the back of you then surely THEY were the ones going too fast!! rediculous!!

Briano, are you one of these people that drives in national speed limit areas at 40 mph?? If so, do you realise that this type of driving causes more accidents because if you are in a national speed limit zone, people want to go faster and if they cant cos of someone doing 35 mph everyone drives closer to eachother, being less likely to stop in time.

Hope you get back on the horse soon Spyro!! Good luck

Lol, I AM enjoying the posts being written on this thread! ;)

Lisa 86, I can assure you I am most certainly not a driver who constantly sticks to the speed limit. My driving is by no means constantly law abiding, and 'perfect'. My other half will certainly agree with this!

Unfortunately fast cars attract fast drivers, which in turn can lead to accidents if driven too fast by inexperienced drivers. Spyro has already stated he was probably driving too fast on this corner - and I think you ALL need to remember - you can drive too fast for the road conditions whilst still being under the speed limit!!

But surely the person to blame is the one that drove into the back of Spyro...??? Don't you agree.....

Originally posted by Lisa86
But surely the person to blame is the one that drove into the back of Spyro...??? Don't you agree.....

Yes, I agree totally. As generally per insurance companies, it is always the fault of the driver who drives into the back of another driver.
This doesn't mean Spyro may be entirley blameless, but I do feel for him to lose a car in this way. Particularly a Subaru - I love these cars...

I'm not saying he is blameless, but not entirely his fault either, and i dont believe someone should be blamed for other peoples actions.

I find the subaru's a bit girly now, seen a few girls driving em (not my taste tho) and now when i see a guy driving one its not quite the masculine image it used to portray

hmmm I'd say person who drove into back of Spyro is at fault, Spyro not breaking speed limit (though admits was maybe driving a little fast). Speed limit is set according to road safety in all conditions, hence why sometimes there are bends with 20m.p.h. limits. and some with national speed limit. I would therefore say the person who drove into Spyro was at fault, was obviously driving too close to Spyro, so even if Spyro had wanted to slow down to take the bend at say 30mph, the other car obviously didn't allow itself enough space to react to any changes.

Glad you're ok Spyro!

Originally posted by spyro2000
There aint many cars that can keep up with a subaru

Hhmmm? I think you have made a slip and given the game away about just how careful your driving is. Someone who uses expressions like this is clearly not a good, safe driver. Was there even another car involved or is that just a story for the insurance company? One minute you are a bit quick but within the speed limit the next you are telling us that people can't keep up with you. I think any reasonable person, and hopefully the courts, will see this as a fishy story.

Originally posted by KookyKoo
Speed limit is set according to road safety in all conditions,
Err no it isn't. If you think this then you will be next to have an accident. The speed limit is just that, a "limit", there are places where you need to be well below that to be safe. There are also conditions where you need to drive at a snails pace. Consider an open country road that suddenly has a narrow hump backed bridge and then it starts to snow (through the fog), is it still reasonable to drive over the bridge at 60mph just because there isn't a sign telling you to slow down?

Originally posted by KenH
Hhmmm? I think you have made a slip and given the game away about just how careful your driving is. Someone who uses expressions like this is clearly not a good, safe driver. Was there even another car involved or is that just a story for the insurance company? One minute you are a bit quick but within the speed limit the next you are telling us that people can't keep up with you. I think any reasonable person, and hopefully the courts, will see this as a fishy story.

Ive already said that I was perhaps drivin too fast. and does it not make sense that no matter how i was driving, it would take someone to press down on the pedal to zoom up to a subaru?

Just because someone can drive fast doesnt mean they cant drive safe, i know on most roads fast driving isnt safe, but if he is within the speed limit then what is the problem?

Slightly different level, but people who race for a living drive fast and some come out without ever having an accident!

Also, again, back to the point of someone drove into the back of him, not the other way round! If he was ******* about and was entirely his fault i dont think he would advertise it on the net that he wrote his car off and it was entirely his fault.

Originally posted by KenH
Err no it isn't. If you think this then you will be next to have an accident. The speed limit is just that, a "limit", there are places where you need to be well below that to be safe. There are also conditions where you need to drive at a snails pace. Consider an open country road that suddenly has a narrow hump backed bridge and then it starts to snow (through the fog), is it still reasonable to drive over the bridge at 60mph just because there isn't a sign telling you to slow down?

sorry Ken I didn't make any reference to how I drive, that was just my understanding of speed limits; obviously in the situation you describe above, common sense and driving experience would tell me to slow down, but what I'm trying to say is I could slow right down to 20mph but if there were another car driving too close/too fast up the back of me, I wouldn't have much of a chance anyways.

Originally posted by Lisa86
Just because someone can drive fast doesnt mean they cant drive safe.
Well if they drove fast enough to have an accident it does. The speed limit is an irrelevance. It is no wonder there are so many accidents if people think sticking within the limit will keep them out of trouble. Basically the poster has driven far too fast and crashed his car. We know he was driving far too fast for several reasons:-

1. He admitted it.
2. He tells us that people can't usually keep up with him
3. He knows it was an accident black spot but he was still, in his words, "a bit fast".
4. He drives a subaru.

Seems like an accident waiting to happen that has now happened.

Well is that the tinted windows debate over for a while then Sypro2000?

Glad you are ok.

Yes i agree with everything you say Ken, however you have to remember that someone drove into the back of him, he didnt drive into someone else, so he cant have been flooring it too much

Originally posted by KenH
Well if they drove fast enough to have an accident it does. The speed limit is an irrelevance. It is no wonder there are so many accidents if people think sticking within the limit will keep them out of trouble. Basically the poster has driven far too fast and crashed his car. We know he was driving far too fast for several reasons:-

1. He admitted it.
2. He tells us that people can't usually keep up with him
3. He knows it was an accident black spot but he was still, in his words, "a bit fast".
4. He drives a subaru.

Seems like an accident waiting to happen that has now happened.

lol, i like your analogy. All those are true apart from (2) and (3),

(2)* I said it takes a lot for someone to zoom up to a Subaru, thats because of the high acceleration of a Subaru, doesnt mean its going fast.

(3)* I didnt know it was an accident black spot, but i do now.

Hi Spyro..

I can sympathise with you after your accident. No one is perfect...accidents happen. After an accident when people are ok..apart from thier pride and loss of treasured motor. You will be feeling like a bit of support...and posted on here for that.

I had a simmular accident i clipped a car doing the same as you. I was coming out of a side road and i just did not see him and clipped his back end. He did 360* into lamp post and wrote car off...! My fault...and you feel bad...gutted and ashamed of your lack of concentration " at the time " but everyone feel all the sympathy for the other driver.

Hope you sort your insurance out ok and get another top motor in time. It has took me over 3 years to get over my accident. But...during that time i have saved up and got a new pride and joy to drive about in...and im now a safer driver.

Good luck chuck x

Originally posted by Lisa86
If he was ******* about and was entirely his fault i dont think he would advertise it on the net that he wrote his car off and it was entirely his fault.

The situation could be seen that he was driving too fast, couldn't believe someone actually managed to catch him and start overtaking him, so he blocked them off and resulted in being clipped and losing control.
He's advertising it on here because he's somehow proud of what happened and thought he was being incredibly brave taking part in the race yet lost his car. And can't believe he managed to escape unscathed and is not currently locked up for dangerous driving!

not saying it's true... just something to think about...

Originally posted by cruella
I had a simmular accident

Where do I get one of these accident simulators? I want one.

Originally posted by Briano

He's advertising it on here because he's somehow proud of what happened and thought he was being incredibly brave taking part in the race yet lost his car. And can't believe he managed to escape unscathed and is not currently locked up for dangerous driving!


Nope, im posting it on here, because i always post on here when something 'out of the ordinary' happens. its a place to chat about things. If you do a search for the posts that ive posted on the Sheffield chat you will see that I post about real life things. Isnt that what its all about onthis part of the forum.

Why the hell would I be proud that I was involved in a crash?

Sorry Briano, but i think that is slightly far fetched. If he was to realise someone was catching up and didnt want them to overtake, he could have put his foot down, not pull out in front of them resulting in the loss of his car.

Originally posted by KenH
Where do I get one of these accident simulators? I want one.

Sorry...useless at spelling;)
...is that your only point? ..or do you have something constructive to charm us all with?

Originally posted by spyro2000
Nope, im posting it on here, because i always post on here when something 'out of the ordinary' happens. its a place to chat about things. If you do a search for the posts that ive posted on the Sheffield chat you will see that I post about real life things. Isnt that what its all about onthis part of the forum.

Why the hell would I be proud that I was involved in a crash?

Like I said at the bottom of my last post that you've just quoted...

'not saying it's true... just something to think about...'

Originally posted by Lisa86
Sorry Briano, but i think that is slightly far fetched. If he was to realise someone was catching up and didnt want them to overtake, he could have put his foot down, not pull out in front of them resulting in the loss of his car.

Lol, although Subaru's are nice cars - they aren't the fastest on the road!

Originally posted by Briano
Like I said at the bottom of my last post that you've just quoted...

'not saying it's true... just something to think about...'

Whats the point in "thinking about" something that isnt true?

Originally posted by spyro2000
Whats the point in "thinking about" something that isnt true?

S'called theoretical analysis.. but you don't have to take part! ;)

Originally posted by Briano
S'called theoretical analysis.. but you don't have to take part! ;)

lol, I think ill not take part then, ill leave it to you :D

Glad u ok Spyro

Um...anyone heard from Crunchie?

Does Crunchie have an alibi?

Or was it a forumer trying to see who was behind the wheel? :suspect:

Originally posted by Splodge_CRB
Glad u ok Spyro

Um...anyone heard from Crunchie?

Does Crunchie have an alibi?

Or was it a forumer trying to see who was behind the wheel? :suspect:

hehe didnt think of that, now that explains everyting :D

Originally posted by KenH
Hhmmm? I think you have made a slip and given the game away about just how careful your driving is. Someone who uses expressions like this is clearly not a good, safe driver. Was there even another car involved or is that just a story for the insurance company? One minute you are a bit quick but within the speed limit the next you are telling us that people can't keep up with you. I think any reasonable person, and hopefully the courts, will see this as a fishy story.

well that settles it.
I'm pretty sure that I once mentioned that the McClaren F1 was the fastest road going car in the world (at the time), so therefore my driving must be the absolute pits.
Don't learn any facts about cars, especially acceleration or top speed figures, it means your driving gets really bad!

Idiot.

Err no it isn't. If you think this then you will be next to have an accident. The speed limit is just that, a "limit", there are places where you need to be well below that to be safe. There are also conditions where you need to drive at a snails pace. Consider an open country road that suddenly has a narrow hump backed bridge and then it starts to snow (through the fog), is it still reasonable to drive over the bridge at 60mph just because there isn't a sign telling you to slow down?


The limit doesn't change when it starts to snow or is foggy. But it does indicate the maximum safe speed in good conditions for a road. In fact, it's generally pretty conservative. There are bends on the A57 from the M1 towards Worksop with advisory 40 signs on them, they are perfectly safe at 50, and I've no doubt if I tried I could probably take them at 70.
Now, do you think there was any fog or snow in the last couple of days? Maybe spyro should have specified that it wasn't foggy and he hadn't just driven through a blizzard.


Well if they drove fast enough to have an accident it does. The speed limit is an irrelevance. It is no wonder there are so many accidents if people think sticking within the limit will keep them out of trouble. Basically the poster has driven far too fast and crashed his car. We know he was driving far too fast for several reasons:-

1. He admitted it.
2. He tells us that people can't usually keep up with him
3. He knows it was an accident black spot but he was still, in his words, "a bit fast".
4. He drives a subaru.

Seems like an accident waiting to happen that has now happened.

far too fast now is it, I think he said a little too fast.
1) he admitted that someone else caused the accident by running into him.
2) No, he said that people couldn't keep up with that make of car, it's true, i've tried, and my car doesn't exactly hang around.
3) Possibly his only mistake, although that corner is safe at 60 in good conditions if no one runs into you.
4) What's your point?

Originally posted by Cyclone
well that settles it.
I'm pretty sure that I once mentioned that the McClaren F1 was the fastest road going car in the world (at the time), so therefore my driving must be the absolute pits.
Don't learn any facts about cars, especially acceleration or top speed figures, it means your driving gets really bad!


Oops, that's me knackered. I'm a motoring writer, which must make my driving some of the most criminal in the land. Except when I'm writing features exhorting people to get further driver training and join the IAM, of course.

Well, Forummers, I think in conclusion some of you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourselves. One of our number has been punted up the bum in an extremely capable car while under the proscribed speed limit, by someone patently being leagues ahead of him in the irresponsibility stakes. Congrats to those who voiced their relief that the only injured party was his steed. And a big thumbs down to those curmudgeonly souls who immediately leapt on the poor man with their hobnails on, accusing him of all sorts of illegality and hooliganism with absolutely no proof at all. Your capacity for knee-jerk reaction and bombast is unbecoming. Unfortunately in several of your cases it's something of a habit. You do the general good nature Sheffield is famous for no service. being nasty really won't help the world go round, and you can only hope the next time something unpleasant happens to you those arounf you are rather more human and positive than you are.

Your not hurt. Thats the main thing :thumbsup:

Next up, is can you afford to replace and insure the car if you have to make a full claim assuming the dude who rear ended you cant be claimed against? Was the car modded, and if so are you going to have to buy back the corpse to extract them? I hope the incident doesnt cause you too much grief.

Originally posted by Briano
Lol, sorry gotta chip in after laughing at your last post! :hihi:

'Good drivers like you' don't fly round corners lose control and write your cars off!!

A good driver is like me, who has driven for 12+ years and never been pulled over, never been caught speeding and never had an accident. But still has to pay high premiums because idiots in fast cars drive too fast and cause too many accidents.

Having said that, I'm glad to hear you got out of that one unscathed. I wouldn't wish injuries on anyone...

You know. This just makes me so mad. They're called accidents for a reason. Sometimes it's your fault. Sometimes, it's the other driver's fault. Sometimes, it's a combination of the two. Sometimes, it's no one's fault. It's p*ss poor road design, bad road maintenence, poor visibility, or weather. Sometimes, it's mechanical failure.

There are tons of factors that influence a stretch of road at any given time on any given day. An accident is not necessarily always someone's fault.

You've been driving 12+ years? Well whoop de doo! I've been driving 27+ years. Probably almost as long as you've been alive. For a number of years, I regularly commuted on interstate 880 in the San Francisco Bay Area. Nicknamed "Blood Alley", because of all the fatal accidents. I myself was hit by a drunk driver there in 1985, and although my car was totalled, I somehow escaped with just a few bruises. I also missed being on that stretch of roadway the day of the Loma Prieta earthquake, in 1989. The upper deck of the freeway collapsed onto the lower deck. Killing 42 people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimitz_Freeway

Give me a break and cease and desist with the blame and the smug attitude. Anything could happen to any one of us at any time. We just never know. To your credit, you did appreciate the fact that spyro wasn't hurt. I feel the same way. Especially since he has a girlfriend and a little boy.

And remember, pride goeth before a fall.

:) Sierra

P.S. Hope all goes well spyro, and the insurance company sorts everything out for you with a minimum of run around!

Originally posted by Cyclone
But it does indicate the maximum safe speed in good conditions for a road.

No it doesn't. It indicates the speed limit. The speed at which it is safe (up to that maximum) is decided by the driver based on the road conditions, weather, the vehicle, experience etc. If you get this wrong then this is at least careless and sometimes reckless driving. In fact there are no "accidents" there are only incidents caused by drivers.

You may well have mentioned that a McLaren F1 is the fastest but that isn't the point. My point is that, if you owned such a vehicle and, after having had an accident, you told people that you drive it in such as way that "nobody can ever catch me" then you would be admitting to reckless driving. In your case I think you were just talking about cars as a fantasy so it doesn't really apply. A McLaren F1 is rather slower than my usual transport but that doesn't make me reckless since I don't brag about "no one will be able to catch me".

Originally posted by KenH
No it doesn't. It indicates the speed limit. The speed at which it is safe (up to that maximum) is decided by the driver based on the road conditions, weather, the vehicle, experience etc. If you get this wrong then this is at least careless and sometimes reckless driving. In fact there are no "accidents" there are only incidents caused by drivers.

You may well have mentioned that a McLaren F1 is the fastest but that isn't the point. My point is that, if you owned such a vehicle and, after having had an accident, you told people that you drive it in such as way that "nobody can ever catch me" then you would be admitting to reckless driving. In your case I think you were just talking about cars as a fantasy so it doesn't really apply. A McLaren F1 is rather slower than my usual transport but that doesn't make me reckless since I don't brag about "no one will be able to catch me".

Why do you continue to keep misquoting "no one can catch me"? Not once have I said that. I was simply saying that anyone who can easily gain on a performance car with acceleration surely must be pressing it. Does that make sense?

p.s. Sierra, I think you have said it all in that one post :thumbsup:

and since Spyro didn't say that no one can ever catch him, it doesn't matter.

There are no accidents. So a blowout, that's the drivers fault. Brake failure, drivers fault. Manhole cover missing, drivers fault, diesel spill on the road, drivers fault, etc..., etc...
Unless it's the very fact that they were there that makes it there fault I would argue strongly that there are accidents where the drivers involved are not to blame.

Hell, I had a tree fall on the car I was in (not driving at the time, I decided to let my younger brother drive back as he'd just passed his test). I suppose that was his fault for not using his psychic powers to know that the tree was about to fall on us.

hmmmmmmmm now what r the police going to do at nights?

no red subaru to follow

back to playing naked twister for them then

Dearie me, how sad to read the comments of some smug, self-righteous FM's here. I guess they never heard of "if you've nothing nice to say.. don't bother saying anything at all".
And maybe they don't care that they are showing a rather unpleasant side to their persona!

Lets hope they haven't been tempting fate by their pompous remarks :P

Good to hear that the thread author (((((spyro2000))))) came out of a totalled car unscathed. Very good indeed! :thumbsup:

Do you know the one thing we may learn from this thread is whether you are the crunchie scooby from the red subaru alert!

If crunchie stops seeing the red scooby that he/she is so interested in, then we know that you spyro are the guy he/she is interested in..... wow! does this mean the threads will merge and all will be revealed?!

Glad u ok spyro. Had two bad uns myself so i kno it shakes u up.

Not sure i would have posted the news of my accident if i felt i was drivin particularly badly.

good job your ok fella!
just imagine if it was a WRX!??

i often loose my rag with these corsa's and calibras tailing my back end but sometimes i just think fuXX it!

anyways fella take it easy!!

and why do people think your lying?? i don't follow!!!

crazy sheffield people eh!

lol

Andy

Sorry to hear about your accident Spyro. *Hugs* Get back behind the wheel ASAP, don't allow any nerves to settle in.

Glad to hear that Spyro is okay as oppose to his Scooby Doo who has gone to the great Scooby wrecking yard in the sky.

What was the other car if it was coming up on you so fast, could it have been another Scooby perhaps ??

Bit disappointed to see Cyclone post earlier in the thread calling someone an idiot for something they had said earlier and then go on to say that he could take the Todwick bends on the A57 at Todwick at a speed of 70mph. !!

Sorry to say it Cyclone, but having travelled that road on a regular basis and seen the mess and carnage that accidents cause on there, if you were to try to do 70 on the bends, then you too would be an idiot, because no matter how good you profess yourself to be as a driver, I too am a professional driver and I would never consider taking the bends at 70.

Glad to hear you are okay Spyro :thumbsup:

Its nobodys fault but the driver who clipped him. He could be in the snow, doing upto the speed limit - there is nothing to say that the car might not take the bend. The fact that the road was dry, he was under the limit, AND was clipped on the rear makes all the difference.

Glad you're OK spyro but the only thing you might need to consider is that those bends at Grenoside on the A61 have recommended speed limits on them of (from memory) 40, 45 and 35 heading away from Sheffield.

Whilst the mandatory speed limit is the national speed limit (ie 60), if the other party's insurance company make enquiries about your speed and you were found to be in excess of the 'recommended' limit, they might try to use this against you.

And as for Cyclone doing 70 round the bends at Todwick, I travel these bends on an almost daily basis and whilst I agree the 'recommended' limit of 40 might be a little slow, if you plan to do 70 round them, let me know when you're going to do it so I can plan a different route while they clear the mess of you and your car off the road!:loopy:

Saxon,

Got to agree with you on the Todwick bends comment as we both know what the road is like coming from this end of the world.

Perhaps if you get advance notice of when Cyclone is coming you could give me a nod and I will stop in that day as well.

Or we could sit on the terrace at the Red Lion having a cool beer watching as the whole world has to take a detour through Todwick and out on Goosecarr Lane towards the M1 as they have to avoid the carnage.

Hope you are well Saxon.

One lazst thing Spyro..What did the Police say to you this time, at the scene of the accident?

They must have got some description of the car that hit you from either you or the witnesses? Give us a ddescription of the car/driver and we can keep a look out for these idiots.

Originally posted by Briano
A good driver is like me, who has driven for 12+ years and never been pulled over, never been caught speeding and never had an accident. But still has to pay high premiums because idiots in fast cars drive too fast and cause too many accidents.


This sounds rather like tempting fate! I guess this makes me a good driver too, though not quite so good? Only 9 accident free, not being pulled over years :suspect:

Whoever's fault it was, lets just be thankful no one got hurt eh? :thumbsup: Its the innocent bystanders I worry about. :shocked:

Originally posted by tazman


Bit disappointed to see Cyclone post earlier in the thread calling someone an idiot for something they had said earlier and then go on to say that he could take the Todwick bends on the A57 at Todwick at a speed of 70mph. !!

Sorry to say it Cyclone, but having travelled that road on a regular basis and seen the mess and carnage that accidents cause on there, if you were to try to do 70 on the bends, then you too would be an idiot, because no matter how good you profess yourself to be as a driver, I too am a professional driver and I would never consider taking the bends at 70.

You'll note that I also said that I actually take the corner at 50.
Maybe you've heard of exaggeration and hyperbole, and maybe I was guilty of that whilst trying to make my point.
if I tried I could probably take them at 70

Given that the crashes that often seem to occur there generally either involved an hgv (sometimes doesn't even try to take the corner) or a vehicle with high centre of gravity, van or suv, i'm not sure that I couldn't take them at 70.
It certainly wouldn't be safe and would most likely be on the edge of the limit for my car, so i'm not proposing to try it. 60 doesn't feel like it's pushing the car that much though, no offer of understeer, no protest from the rubber, but my car's suprisingly good at cornering for a ford.

Originally posted by RazorSHarp
One lazst thing Spyro..What did the Police say to you this time, at the scene of the accident?

They must have got some description of the car that hit you from either you or the witnesses? Give us a ddescription of the car/driver and we can keep a look out for these idiots.

They probably sent a few ARU's out to greet the dazed but luckily uninjured Spyro at the roadside!

Originally posted by Cyclone
You'll note that I also said that I actually take the corner at 50.
Maybe you've heard of exaggeration and hyperbole, and maybe I was guilty of that whilst trying to make my point.


Given that the crashes that often seem to occur there generally either involved an hgv (sometimes doesn't even try to take the corner) or a vehicle with high centre of gravity, van or suv, i'm not sure that I couldn't take them at 70.
It certainly wouldn't be safe and would most likely be on the edge of the limit for my car, so i'm not proposing to try it. 60 doesn't feel like it's pushing the car that much though, no offer of understeer, no protest from the rubber, but my car's suprisingly good at cornering for a ford.

Having been scared s**tless by my mate hurtling round those very bends in his rickety vauxhall sierra at something approaching very fast I have no doubt they could safely be taken at 60 by a vehicle good at cornering. My mate didn't know the road, and I told him to slow down after that!

I'm out and about round that end of town and would be more than happy to keep my eyes open if you have a description of the other car. I've been subject to harrasment a number of times on that stretch as my Scenic does not appear to be capable of exceeding the limit by the margin that some think it's acceptable to! Glad you're ok Spyro.

i think that all the people who have been against sypro on this topic should not be so judgemental just because he drives a subaru, you all atomatically think he was driving fast :confused: or trying to race :confused: ? you wasnt there so keep your stupid opinoins to yourself.

kenh, when you say you have never seen a subaru been driven carefully or slowly yet, thats a load of bull im sorry, ive seen loads been driven properly.

glad youre ok sypro :clap:

Originally posted by janny
i think that all the people who have been against sypro on this topic should not be so judgemental just because he drives a subaru, you all atomatically think he was driving fast :confused: or trying to race :confused: ? you wasnt there so keep your stupid opinoins to yourself.

kenh, when you say you have never seen a subaru been driven carefully or slowly yet, thats a load of bull im sorry, ive seen loads been driven properly.

glad youre ok sypro :clap:

If you could try again but this time in English! Just off to have some French opinoin soup in the meantime.

oh my god just because ive miss keyed opinion so what! i suppose youve never done that? i think you should be off to get a life, forget about the soup mate!

Originally posted by janny
oh my god just because ive miss keyed opinion so what! i suppose youve never done that? i think you should be off to get a life, forget about the soup mate!

I do make mistakes but your post was unreadable. I have taken the trouble to correct it for you for the benefit of anyone else that might have wanted to read it but couldn't understand it:-

You probably meant to say:-

Oh my God, just because I've wrongly-keyed "opinion" then so what? I suppose you've never done that? I think you should go off and get a life, forget about the soup sir!

You can always email me any future posts if you are still having trouble and I will correct them for you. In the meantime I would remind you that "i" is always a capital and that words such as "ive" should be "I've".

Originally posted by KenH
I do make mistakes but your post was unreadable.

Well I read and understood it ok :confused:

If you want to dictate punctuation and grammar, then shove it down someone elses throat :)

Only just come across this thread.. Hope all bones and limbs are intact Spyro :thumbsup:

Originally posted by Deejay
then shove it down someone elses throat

I don't know! I offer to help someone and then a third party comes along and tells me to shove my offer of help down someone another persons throat.

Originally posted by KenH
I don't know! I offer to help someone and then a third party comes along and tells me to shove my offer of help down someone another persons throat.

So that gives you a kick then ? Picking someone out in front of thousands of readers and pointing out that their grammar isn't correct ?

I must be going wrong somewhere :huh:

Originally posted by Deejay
So that gives you a kick then ? Picking someone out in front of thousands of readers and pointing out that their grammar isn't correct ?

I must be going wrong somewhere :huh:
It seems to be the "in" thing on this forum,without knowing anything about the poster or even if English is their first language.