Hi everyone , this thread will ruffle a few feathers but I am starting to wonder what is actually being taught in kickboxing clubs these days.

Now what has prompted me to start this topic off was seeing people who had "done a bit of kickboxing before" and when asked how long they had done it for, they come out with comments that range from a few months to perhaps a couple of years!!! In some cases some of those people had actually graded to a half decent level.

I had 2 girls come to one of my beginners classes who had both trained for a couple of months. Neither of which knew how to front kick properly (front kick is THE most basic kickboxing kick)
Neither of whom seemed to realise that when you throw a left jab, your right hand stays on your chin and NOT in your pocket or when you throw a right cross you are supposed to have your left hand on your chin.

Are people actually being taught techniques at kickboxing clubs or do they just pay their £5 and get told to "go and beat up that bag over there" ?

right hand stays on your shin
I hope not lol

I hope not lol

Thank you for correcting my error :hihi:

Good thread - I rekon its a problem with most martial arts but a bigger problem is WHO is teaching, there are 'instructors' or coaches out there that claim to be somthing their not, they couldn't tell you with a straight face where they got their belts from, some just try to creat a smoke screen by saying " I graded with him for that belt and some one else for this belt and this organisation for another belt", i mean they must think people are stupid, some even claim to be kickboxing champions :hihi: more like chumpions.

An example is i recently seen a video of a BKO (never even heard of them) british title fight, Granted it was back in 2001 but what a joke these two guys (couldnt even tell you what style they fought as one guy wore shorts and the other long shiny pants), just tapped each other for two rounds of what looked like play fighting:hihi:In fact it looked like one guy had a face mask on his head guard (its on the net somewhere so i'll look it up and post the link so you can all have a laugh:hihi:)

i've seen this as well i can't believe that this was for a belt it was the most embarassing thing i have seen. How you can relate this to kickboxing is beyond me it looked more like ballroom dancing :hihi:

Good thread - I rekon its a problem with most martial arts but a bigger problem is WHO is teaching, there are 'instructors' or coaches out there that claim to be somthing their not, they couldn't tell you with a straight face where they got their belts from, some just try to creat a smoke screen by saying " I graded with him for that belt and some one else for this belt and this organisation for another belt", i mean they must think people are stupid, some even claim to be kickboxing champions :hihi: more like chumpions.

An example is i recently seen a video of a BKO (never even heard of them) british title fight, Granted it was back in 2001 but what a joke these two guys (couldnt even tell you what style they fought as one guy wore shorts and the other long shiny pants), just tapped each other for two rounds of what looked like play fighting:hihi:In fact it looked like one guy had a face mask on his head guard (its on the net somewhere so i'll look it up and post the link so you can all have a laugh:hihi:)

Good thread - I rekon its a problem with most martial arts but a bigger problem is WHO is teaching, there are 'instructors' or coaches out there that claim to be somthing their not, they couldn't tell you with a straight face where they got their belts from, some just try to creat a smoke screen by saying " I graded with him for that belt and some one else for this belt and this organisation for another belt", i mean they must think people are stupid, some even claim to be kickboxing champions :hihi: more like chumpions.

An example is i recently seen a video of a BKO (never even heard of them) british title fight, Granted it was back in 2001 but what a joke these two guys (couldnt even tell you what style they fought as one guy wore shorts and the other long shiny pants), just tapped each other for two rounds of what looked like play fighting:hihi:In fact it looked like one guy had a face mask on his head guard (its on the net somewhere so i'll look it up and post the link so you can all have a laugh:hihi:)

LOL You can laugh all you want but were you not the one who said that there was nothing wrong with LIGHT Continuous :confused:
Make your mind up. Admittedly it was not the best fight I have ever been in (YES it was me , guilty as charged :hihi:) . What next, you are going to start crying just because I took part in what I consider to be a contest of interclub standard? LIGHT Continuous as it should be done i.e. LIGHT contact sparring as opposed to being a full blown bloodbath? If that offends you then big deal!
the issue here is what is being taught , obviously I have hit upon a raw nerve as you find this thread offensive to your lack of ability to instruct perhaps?

LOL You can laugh all you want but were you not the one who said that there was nothing wrong with LIGHT Continuous :confused:
Make your mind up. Admittedly it was not the best fight I have ever been in (YES it was me , guilty as charged :hihi:) . What next, you are going to start crying just because I took part in what I consider to be a contest of interclub standard? LIGHT Continuous as it should be done i.e. LIGHT contact sparring as opposed to being a full blown bloodbath? If that offends you then big deal!
the issue here is what is being taught , obviously I have hit upon a raw nerve as you find this thread offensive to your lack of ability to instruct perhaps?

LOL - I dont think it was inter club level i am sure you won some sort of British Title -

LOL You can laugh all you want but were you not the one who said that there was nothing wrong with LIGHT Continuous :confused:
Make your mind up. Admittedly it was not the best fight I have ever been in (YES it was me , guilty as charged :hihi:) . What next, you are going to start crying just because I took part in what I consider to be a contest of interclub standard? LIGHT Continuous as it should be done i.e. LIGHT contact sparring as opposed to being a full blown bloodbath? If that offends you then big deal!
the issue here is what is being taught , obviously I have hit upon a raw nerve as you find this thread offensive to your lack of ability to instruct perhaps?

Lmao - what a joker,

Respect is not being taught - theres another thread where a TKD instructior is being slated and yes - guess who is adding fuel to the fire. :loopy:

By the way ive noticed a couple of posts being removed ???? on various threads.

Lmao - what a joker,

Respect is not being taught - theres another thread where a TKD instructior is being slated and yes - guess who is adding fuel to the fire. :loopy:

By the way ive noticed a couple of posts being removed ???? on various threads.

So you guys the very same crowd, spider66, staunch, superstar1 all possibly the same group of people from the same club oh and let us not forget Steve70 :hihi: All of you seem to spend most of your time with posts that include slagging off AFK ? :loopy:
Exactly why is that? Maybe he did hit a raw nerve with certain clubs teaching poor technique. Farhad is always really really strict on technique.If your right hand is not on your chin (i get hassle for that all the time) or if you are not putting all your body into your roundhouse he does notlike it and will tell you there and then.
good topic chefkicker!! See you tomorrow or friday.

yeah..really strict! got eyes in the back of his head, especially when one's elbows aren't in tight :D

yeah..really strict! got eyes in the back of his head, especially when one's elbows aren't in tight :D

Oh so he gets you for the "elbows in" too. I get it for dropping my right when doing the roundhouse and for making the same mistake on my left hook!

I'd love to say that I'm too mature to enjoy this but who am I trying to kid!!

I suspect a lot of the folks who have been 'doing a bit' have actually been doing a CV class at a leisure centre a'la boxercise.

The problem is they get marketed as whatever is fashionable at the time, eg kickboxing, the people attending don't know any better ;)

So you guys the very same crowd, spider66, staunch, superstar1 all possibly the same group of people from the same club oh and let us not forget Steve70 :hihi: All of you seem to spend most of your time with posts that include slagging off AFK ? :loopy:
Exactly why is that? Maybe he did hit a raw nerve with certain clubs teaching poor technique. Farhad is always really really strict on technique.If your right hand is not on your chin (i get hassle for that all the time) or if you are not putting all your body into your roundhouse he does notlike it and will tell you there and then.
good topic chefkicker!! See you tomorrow or friday.

Thats it as soon as some one voices an opinion that Chefciker isnt happy with then they all have to be from the same group :hihi::hihi: now thats called an inferiority complex - toredor you sound just like chefkiker ?, me pesonally ive done a bit with SDF and at the moment i train with legends, the best kickboxing - thai boxing club around by far, i've also done some MMA with sheffield shootfighters.

Its obvious what chefkiker is about the start of this thread was to stir trouble, i dont see any other Instructors on here slagging off other clubs, its a hard lesson but if your in a glass house don't throw stones.

And please find me a post where i slag off AFK i have never even heard of them before i joined the forum !

legends, the best kickboxing - thai boxing club around by far

Now THERE is a contentious statement!

I've got nothing but respect for Christian and all the Legends guys but "by far" is a bit strong. Anyone from Wicker Camp want to add anything? :P

Now THERE is a contentious statement!

I've got nothing but respect for Christian and all the Legends guys but "by far" is a bit strong. Anyone from Wicker Camp want to add anything? :P

:help: Ok may be a bit strong as i've never actually trained at the wicker camp but i know Christian is from there so yes they must be up there with the UKs best.

Da foot i like you Plato quote its the best thing i've read for ages so sorry i'm going to borrow it,

"The wise man speaks because he has something to say, the fool because he has to say something." Plato.

Hence the start of this thread topic.

I'd love to say that I'm too mature to enjoy this but who am I trying to kid!!

I know what you mean, it is a little addictive and childish especially when they take the bait :hihi:

Da foot i like you Plato quote its the best thing i've read for ages so sorry i'm going to borrow it,

"The wise man speaks because he has something to say, the fool because he has to say something." Plato.

Hence the start of this thread topic.

"It is better to say nothing and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt."

Superstar1, when and where are the sessions at Legends? I train at the wicker but I've heard a few of the fighters will go to some sessions with Christian to get some extra good quality training in (Sam said he lost 2kg in one session!!)

:help: Ok may be a bit strong as i've never actually trained at the wicker camp but i know Christian is from there so yes they must be up there with the UKs best.

Christian was taught by the wicker i now that as I trained there myself but apart from Christian please tell me who else have legends got as far as good fighters. AFK have got loads. Yousif, Antony ,Willis , Robin and many more all got good records too. Willis and Antony knocked out a few , Yousif and Robin are champs. :clap:
How do i sound like chefkicer ? Is it because i dont take crap from jokes like you?

Superstar1 before you answer Toreador (as I'm sure you will) can you let me know training times mate? (I'd hate for my query to get lost in the fighting!!)

Legends have also got carl tankard who has a great record, they are a new gym so they are training there fighters up

Legends have also got carl tankard who has a great record, they are a new gym so they are training there fighters up

What is his reocrd and weight just out of curiousity?
Honest question so dont go beserk and start getting abusive.

:help: Ok may be a bit strong as i've never actually trained at the wicker camp but i know Christian is from there so yes they must be up there with the UKs best.

Very suspicious , you actually claimed you DID train at wicker camp in one of your previous posts. I doubt you actually are at either of the gyms you claim to. You are a troll simple as!

Anyway forget all that training times for Legends? anyone?

LOL You can laugh all you want but were you not the one who said that there was nothing wrong with LIGHT Continuous :confused:
Make your mind up. Admittedly it was not the best fight I have ever been in (YES it was me , guilty as charged :hihi:) . What next, you are going to start crying just because I took part in what I consider to be a contest of interclub standard? LIGHT Continuous as it should be done i.e. LIGHT contact sparring as opposed to being a full blown bloodbath? If that offends you then big deal!
the issue here is what is being taught , obviously I have hit upon a raw nerve as you find this thread offensive to your lack of ability to instruct perhaps?

i'm sure thats the belt you pose with and toll everyone that it was for british title thai rules

i'm sure thats the belt you pose with and toll everyone that it was for british title thai rules

WRONG!!! Ha ha ha I dont hold any BRITISH titles! :D
I have held area title under LOW KICK rules , big difference :P

What is his reocrd and weight just out of curiousity?
Honest question so dont go beserk and start getting abusive.

not to sure but i think he has won 6 and lost 1 which was in portugal and he fights at 66 kg. He's fighting for a british title at showdown. You can get one of your amazing fighters to fight him if he wins.

not to sure but i think he has won 6 and lost 1 which was in portugal and he fights at 66 kg. He's fighting for a british title at showdown. You can get one of your amazing fighters to fight him if he wins.

won 6 and only lost once? Hmm sounds interesting. We have an ISKA Area champion at that weight :D
A lot of the clubs who fight on our show including Craig's Kapap also
We have a 4 man K-1 tournament round about that weight in November.
We at AFK will be waiting for the call, first come first served as there is always demand to fight in the AFK 1st Blood tournament.

not to sure but i think he has won 6 and lost 1 which was in portugal and he fights at 66 kg. He's fighting for a british title at showdown. You can get one of your amazing fighters to fight him if he wins.


The one loss must have been against my buddy Tobias Elinas. He will be back in training in September.

Anyhow , this thread is not about Who is fighting who or who has the best fighters, or even whose dad is bigger than whose dad.
It is about what is actually being taught!
One of the girls who trains with us says she visited another kickboxing club and the instructor could not even do a side kick without half falling over :help:

For the love of God will someone please tell me the Legends session times and location? Pretty please!!

training times 4 legends gym at lane top

tues and thurs:6.30-8.30

sat and sun:5.00-7.00

Great, thanks your a star, do you have a street name I'm not familiar with Lane Top so I'll need to use the A to Z?

hatfield house lane, s5

Cheers pal!! Now back to the scrapping, it's certainly making my day at work pass faster!!

won 6 and only lost once? Hmm sounds interesting. We have an ISKA Area champion at that weight :D
A lot of the clubs who fight on our show including Craig's Kapap also
We have a 4 man K-1 tournament round about that weight in November.
We at AFK will be waiting for the call, first come first served as there is always demand to fight in the AFK 1st Blood tournament.

i said i aint sure about his record and the loss was against a portugese fighter. It cant be that much of a demand if it's only a 4 man tournamnet.

Cheers pal!! Now back to the scrapping, it's certainly making my day at work pass faster!!
I would have thought that the good citizens of Rotherham keep you busy enough with actual work :P

They do but I've got a blackberry so I'm never far from SF (sad but true)

Great, thanks your a star, do you have a street name I'm not familiar with Lane Top so I'll need to use the A to Z?

sorry horus it s above the tyre shop on Hadfield house lane you cant miss it ;)

Christian was taught by the wicker i now that as I trained there myself but apart from Christian please tell me who else have legends got as far as good fighters. AFK have got loads. Yousif, Antony ,Willis , Robin and many more all got good records too. Willis and Antony knocked out a few , Yousif and Robin are champs. :clap:
How do i sound like chefkicer ? Is it because i dont take crap from jokes like you?

Just an observation mate how come non of these are on the afk show then ?
Except the willis guy but it looks like he from another gym as well !:huh:

Just an observation mate how come non of these are on the afk show then ?
Except the willis guy but it looks like he from another gym as well !:huh:

Robin has gone home for the summer, Ant Stuchbury has had 4 fights in a short space of time and needs a rest from fighting (a management decision to avoid burn out). Yousif has had an injury and needs time to recover fully (merely a precaution) I will let him fight again in september although he is still in training now. Also as he turns 18 soon, at the moment we are focusing more on strength traning with yousif. He is still growing you must appreciate.
He is still only 5 foot 6 and only weighs about 8 stone !

Just an observation mate how come non of these are on the afk show then ?
Except the willis guy but it looks like he from another gym as well !:huh:

Also let me adress the issue of the "Willis guy"
Willis has done the majority (probably about 90%) of his training at AFK.
I personally have padworked him on the thaipads for like 10 rounds at a time during the fighters classes and his main sparring has been with Big Andy (one of our coaches who weighs something like 117kg) or Ant Stuchbury who happens to be yet another Super kicker. Willis is a lot older than me :hihi: and was training long before I even put a pair of gloves on.

Just an observation mate how come non of these are on the afk show then ?
Except the willis guy but it looks like he from another gym as well !:huh:

I was wondering what about the rest of the club, What about any novices fighters they could field on the show ?

I was wondering what about the rest of the club, What about any novices fighters they could field on the show ?

Why should I be forcing novices to fight all the time?
Where were we last weekend ???
You obviously dont keep your ear to the ground well enough.
Dont other promoters have the right to have our novice fighters on?

You of all people should KNOW that AFK fighters fight out of town a lot :D

P.S We have 15 fights already matched on our show. I dont know what I'd do if I had matched 5 or 6 of my own (believe me getting my OWN fighters matched is NOT easy LOL)

Ttrain with legends, the best kickboxing - thai boxing club around by far,
!

i trained with legends once as one of my mate trains there...best kickboxing club by far???? they are definitely in top three along with AFK and Wicker Camp...but dont say its the best unless u been down to Wicker camp and AFK and any-other clubs in sheffield then decide which is best....

I have absolutely no knowledge of kickboxing. So, if I went to every club in Sheffield (or anywhere else for that matter) what would I look for to help me decide if the instructor is good?

I have absolutely no knowledge of kickboxing. So, if I went to every club in Sheffield (or anywhere else for that matter) what would I look for to help me decide if the instructor is good?

This might help you decide

www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDDPd6esyQU

(paste and copy the link ib to the address bar)

It was a title fight for the vacant BKO British title back in 2004 :gag:

This might help you decide

www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDDPd6esyQU

(paste and copy the link ib to the address bar)

It was a title fight for the vacant BKO British title back in 2004 :gag:

I just watched the fight the white shirt has better kicks and keeps kicking a lot. Hes easily faster than the black shirt. Its not right exciting i think and there not professional or they would nae have headguards on.

I just watched the fight the white shirt has better kicks and keeps kicking a lot. Hes easily faster than the black shirt. Its not right exciting i think and there not professional or they would nae have headguards on.

This is not full contact only a light semi contact fight. It is plain to see and I don't know why it was put on as the best full contact/ k1 kickboxing. Just think someone is taking the mick... But he won anyway so what does it matter. It was in 2001

I just watched the fight the white shirt has better kicks and keeps kicking a lot. Hes easily faster than the black shirt. Its not right exciting i think and there not professional or they would nae have headguards on.

Thanks for the compliments Capser ;) .
I like it : " has better kicks and keeps kicking a lot" LOL. flattery will get you everywhere dude.
As it was a Light continuous Fight it definitely was not something that you would fork out £20 a ticket for Im the first to say that myself. As a matter of fact I think it was something like £5 a ticket to watch that event.
It was a day and all my guys won apart from 2 who were disqualified for use of excess force.
You are correct, we had headguards on so our status as Amateur was clear.

The title seems intentionally misleading. Full contact /K1? :confused:
It was a light continuous bout and it was in 2001 not 2004.
I must admit I did have fun that day and I do not regret taking that fight (and the belt that I won for it that day).

I don't know what all the fuss is about, I've never seen an entertaining kickboxing fight yet, it's always just windmilling with the occasional "welly" thrown in.
Thai boxing however I have loads of respect for but kickboxing is just poor, you should all argue about something worthwhile.

Hi everyone , this thread will ruffle a few feathers but I am starting to wonder what is actually being taught in kickboxing clubs these days.

Now what has prompted me to start this topic off was seeing people who had "done a bit of kickboxing before" and when asked how long they had done it for, they come out with comments that range from a few months to perhaps a couple of years!!! In some cases some of those people had actually graded to a half decent level.

I had 2 girls come to one of my beginners classes who had both trained for a couple of months. Neither of which knew how to front kick properly (front kick is THE most basic kickboxing kick)
Neither of whom seemed to realise that when you throw a left jab, your right hand stays on your chin and NOT in your pocket or when you throw a right cross you are supposed to have your left hand on your chin.

Are people actually being taught techniques at kickboxing clubs or do they just pay their £5 and get told to "go and beat up that bag over there" ?

Just bringing this thread back to the original topic which is What is being taught in the classes!!!

Just bringing this thread back to the original topic which is What is being taught in the classes!!!

I thought my post was on topic. What is being taught? From what I've seen windmilling at worst, poor boxing at best with the occasional leg swing mixed in. More and more times I've been subjected to woeful kickboxing matches mixed in on MMA or Thai shows because they can't be sold on their own...rubbish!!

I thought my post was on topic. What is being taught? From what I've seen windmilling at worst, poor boxing at best with the occasional leg swing mixed in. More and more times I've been subjected to woeful kickboxing matches mixed in on MMA or Thai shows because they can't be sold on their own...rubbish!!

When you say kickboxing, what do you personally define as kickboxing?
there are so many different rule sets.


you say "poor boxing"? You obviously have not seen Yousif Ibrahim or Robin Hewson fight then? Both box very well

When you say windmilling and poor boxing with the occasional leg swing , that is a valid comment in some cases.

When I say kickboxing I mean the long pants and boxing glove full contact style. I can differentiate between that and the semi contact variety.

No I've not seen your boy fight, I'm new to Sheffield, but I have watched many kickboxing matches and not seen any that entertained or showed a good level of technical skill with the hands (i don't know that much about the kicking side the old welly might be the way it's done but I don't think so as the Thai boxers I've seen don't do it). All in all the problem I have with kickboxing is that it tends to be someone who gets a black belt in something ,anything (if your lucky), attends the local ABA for a few months and adds (some) boxing to it and presto!! You have a kickboxing instructor!!

I have boxed since I was 9 (I am now 26) and I am still learning, I think some of these kickboxing "instructors" have got a bloody cheek calling themselves that....or it might just be that the standards for punching in your sport is lower.

But hey I have an open mind, if I ever see some good kickboxing I will stand corrected.

When I say kickboxing I mean the long pants and boxing glove full contact style. I can differentiate between that and the semi contact variety.

No I've not seen your boy fight, I'm new to Sheffield, but I have watched many kickboxing matches and not seen any that entertained or showed a good level of technical skill with the hands (i don't know that much about the kicking side the old welly might be the way it's done but I don't think so as the Thai boxers I've seen don't do it). All in all the problem I have with kickboxing is that it tends to be someone who gets a black belt in something ,anything (if your lucky), attends the local ABA for a few months and adds (some) boxing to it and presto!! You have a kickboxing instructor!!

I have boxed since I was 9 (I am now 26) and I am still learning, I think some of these kickboxing "instructors" have got a bloody cheek calling themselves that....or it might just be that the standards for punching in your sport is lower.

But hey I have an open mind, if I ever see some good kickboxing I will stand corrected.

Granted the standard of punching in thai or kickboxing is lower than in Boxing.
The reason for that is simple. In thai/kickboxing you have to split everything between weapons.
I.E. A boxer has 2 weapons and concentrates on 2 fists only. A FC style kickboxer has to concentrate on 2 fists and 2 legs above the belt line.
When i say FC i mean the long pants + Boots on the feet.

In theory , the FC kickboxer should have at least 60% of the boxers punching ability.
In thaiboxing , there are more weapons and techniques will be spread out even more.
Example, the thaiboxer has to not only concentrate on hands and legs to head and body but they also have to worry about having their legs kicked and hence have to defend the legs with the shin blocks.
On top of that they have the clinchwork and knees to think about. Clinchwork and unbalancing your opponent while defending yourself against knees is almost a separate artform in itself.In some cases Thaiboxers have to learn to use the elbows and also defend against them.

Granted Thai is a seperate art form with it's own limitations and strategies but FC kickboxing is too similar to boxing to be entertaining in it's own right. Let's face it if kickboxers could box they would box as the rewards and recognition are much better. The fact that they don't (and don't do Thai either) suggests to me that they aren't good enough.

When I say kickboxing I mean the long pants and boxing glove full contact style. I can differentiate between that and the semi contact variety.

No I've not seen your boy fight, I'm new to Sheffield, but I have watched many kickboxing matches and not seen any that entertained or showed a good level of technical skill with the hands (i don't know that much about the kicking side the old welly might be the way it's done but I don't think so as the Thai boxers I've seen don't do it). All in all the problem I have with kickboxing is that it tends to be someone who gets a black belt in something ,anything (if your lucky), attends the local ABA for a few months and adds (some) boxing to it and presto!! You have a kickboxing instructor!!

I have boxed since I was 9 (I am now 26) and I am still learning, I think some of these kickboxing "instructors" have got a bloody cheek calling themselves that....or it might just be that the standards for punching in your sport is lower.

But hey I have an open mind, if I ever see some good kickboxing I will stand corrected.


With regard to a lot of the FC style (long pants and boots) style being windmilling with the odd welly thrown in.
Too true that a lot of kickboxers do not teach kicking the way it should be taught.
A lot of kickboxing clubs dont use thai-pads(the hard leather variety) like the thaiboxers do.
Also, I have met kickboxing instructors who dont even know how to hold PADS correctly!!!
I tried to tell one local instructor how to "padwork" a fighter/student and he wasnt paying any attention (some of these guys think they know more than they actually do!)

I also remember another instructor (again local) holding focus mitts for a roundhouse kick to the body (yes sounds stupid i know!!!) in such a way that had the roundhouse kick had any power, the pad holder would have been injured and the fighter would have ended up kicking the instructors elbows!

Granted Thai is a seperate art form with it's own limitations and strategies but FC kickboxing is too similar to boxing to be entertaining in it's own right. Let's face it if kickboxers could box they would box as the rewards and recognition are much better. The fact that they don't (and don't do Thai either) suggests to me that they aren't good enough.

Again another valid point. The clubs that practise FC style kickboxing dont emphasise correct kicking enough to distinct it from being a "poor mans " boxing.
Now Kickboxing needs to stop being poor mans boxing and needs to focus as much time to kicking (not just the proverbial old welly) actual proper speed and power based kicking.
When you throw a roundhouse kick to the body you should connect with the bulk of the shin and the hips should follow the kick through (cant explain it the same way id be able to show you on a thaipad or on someones arm but cant explain it in written text so sorry for that) while rotating on the supporting leg.
Most kickboxing clubs dont even know anything about using the legs to block or conditioning the legs to both kick with and to take/block a kick.
At AFK we always use the sandbags or cement bags (bags filled with sand or cement).

Got a leaflet through the door about a new Kickboxing class taken by Paul Wellhard who is a 3rd Dan and also claims to be "Wellhard by name, Well Hard by nature"

Has anyone in the Kickboxing community heard about this, the class is to take place at Wincobank on Wednesdays and it claims I will be taught self defence moves such as, how to rip an attackers arms out and leave no trace of violence. It claims even the attacker won't realise his arms are missing until he attempts to go to the toilet

Can anyone shed any light on this?

It all boils down to basics.
Kickboxing instructors should learn how to hold pads for a start and should push kicking ability more intensively.
I went to one kickboxing class and the padwork was literally kick the pad then go to the back of the line!

Too many kickboxing clubs approach the padwork sessions very much like a "kickbox-fitness" session. Too many instructors are ripping students off by just taking their money and not correcting mistakes.
When someone comes into my class, from day ONE each and EVERY mistake is clamped down upon without fail!
If the student doesnt like it they can leave and train at a more McDojo based club.
Example, I ask the student if they are left or right handed and then immediately designate them an orthodox or a southpaw stance. I then tell them which hand to jab with and which hand to cross with. They work from there for the rest of the punching combinations. The first 2 kicking techniques i teach are the Teep(push kick) and the straight knee.
Reasons for those 2 being first is that I emphasise correct hip movement first and the hip movement in both those techniques is basic but without hip movement the pad holder will not be unbalanced.

(this is becoming an essay, the public are going to get bored!!!)

Chefkicker, if you don't mind me asking what is your background? PM me if you like I don't want to start another row.

Got a leaflet through the door about a new Kickboxing class taken by Paul Wellhard who is a 3rd Dan and also claims to be "Wellhard by name, Well Hard by nature"

Has anyone in the Kickboxing community heard about this, the class is to take place at Wincobank on Wednesdays and it claims I will be taught self defence moves such as, how to rip an attackers arms out and leave no trace of violence. It claims even the attacker won't realise his arms are missing until he attempts to go to the toilet

Can anyone shed any light on this?

He sounds very dangerous!!! The only defense against him is a very good pair of Nikes! (Reeboks will have to do in my case).
Either that or tell Craig Welsh from Kapap :P

Chefkicker, if you don't mind me asking what is your background? PM me if you like I don't want to start another row.

Before university days (i.e. as a teenager) I trained in Karate under Sensei Paul Bradshaw. At the same time a few friends were boxing so I would train with them as well.
I actually found kickboxing in its entirety at university . I started off competing for Loughborough university under Graeme Bowmaker . I then went to Bradford and did my PGCE and while there trained and fought for Bradford university's kickboxing club under Darren Holroyd and Claire McKim.
After leaving university I was more or less a free spirit not 100% by choice as there was not much kickboxing (if any at all) going on in Sheffield. As a result I pretty much had to be self managed/self trained for the most part.Getting good kickboxing training at the time was a real struggle for me. I would have to beg , borrow,scrounge and STEAL training partners. I would however keep my sparring up by travelling to a few clubs here and there , meeting up with old training partners and also I trained once or twice a week with my old Karate mentor Paul Bradshaw as their dojo had just started off kickboxing classes as well as under his second in command the late Abdul Haqq (R.I.P, his name was Dannus Lee).

When it came to fighting , i even had to travel by myself to competitions and fight nights as any club that i was training with would always find an excuse to pull out of driving me to the fights.

Chefkicker, if you don't mind me asking what is your background? PM me if you like I don't want to start another row.

There you go mate it is all below. Only half the story I dont want to bore the public or i'd end up writing a book!

Thanks, very open and honest

Thanks, very open and honest

No worries mate.
I have a few fighters in my gym, obviously we are not a massive gym hence why I dont sell as many tickets as some of the bigger clubs at shows but when it comes to the ratio of fighters that have come out of AFK, they are generally tidy with the guard and boxing and the kicks are anything BUT the "odd welly" .

I have 2 of my fighters on sunday at this venue :

www.skatecentral.co.uk

6pm onwards.

The girl fighter Becky is having her very first fight and I also have a very talented young prospect aged 17 called Yousif Ibrahim on the bill.
You will see by watching Yousif that he is anything but a windmill (his boxing is quite tidy, well quite tidy by boxing standards and VERY tidy by kickboxing standards) and every kick landed is with his shin and not a foot slap ;)

I thought my post was on topic. What is being taught? From what I've seen windmilling at worst, poor boxing at best with the occasional leg swing mixed in. More and more times I've been subjected to woeful kickboxing matches mixed in on MMA or Thai shows because they can't be sold on their own...rubbish!!

Unfortunatly this is the way kickboxing shows are going these days - a couple of kickboxing fights a few thai fights and then the rest MMA.

A lot of local promoters find it difficult to find kickboxers to compete on their shows due to bad matchmaking so have to resort to mixing the shows up.

Again some make big noises about having the best kickboxing stable in Sheffield but can only put a cuple of fighters on their own bill.

Again this is all to do with what is being taught and how, I know of one local club where a begginer around 17ys was sparring with one of the clubs best 'fighters' and instead of him being given proper instruction he actually hurt the 'fighter' so the instructor put him in with an older more experianced lad who just started landing head kicks (no pads on) which cut the begginers eye open ! :loopy:
Where is the teaching there. :huh:

Before university days (i.e. as a teenager) I trained in Karate under Sensei Paul Bradshaw. At the same time a few friends were boxing so I would train with them as well.
I actually found kickboxing in its entirety at university . I started off competing for Loughborough university under Graeme Bowmaker . I then went to Bradford and did my PGCE and while there trained and fought for Bradford university's kickboxing club under Darren Holroyd and Claire McKim.
After leaving university I was more or less a free spirit not 100% by choice as there was not much kickboxing (if any at all) going on in Sheffield. As a result I pretty much had to be self managed/self trained for the most part.Getting good kickboxing training at the time was a real struggle for me. I would have to beg , borrow,scrounge and STEAL training partners. I would however keep my sparring up by travelling to a few clubs here and there , meeting up with old training partners and also I trained once or twice a week with my old Karate mentor Paul Bradshaw as their dojo had just started off kickboxing classes as well as under his second in command the late Abdul Haqq (R.I.P, his name was Dannus Lee).

When it came to fighting , i even had to travel by myself to competitions and fight nights as any club that i was training with would always find an excuse to pull out of driving me to the fights.

No actual Grades or qualifications then !!

why is the title of the video not accurate?

i watched wondering why they wasnt going full on. intil i read the title of the vid is all wrong

kickboxing has become very complicated, i preferd it when you only had american type ie kicking above the waste or muay ive trained in both, i like to know what im doing when i go to a new club nothing worse than going to a "kickboxing club" & seeing everyone in semicontact gloves, nothing wrong with semi contact ive done it for years, but its not kickboxing, diffrnt animal altogether, & its the same i suppose when you go to a kickboxing club that has adopted thai rules & you get your legs kicked to pieces,a lot of kickboxers dont want it, people need to know what you are guna get before they walk through the door IMO.

kickboxing has become very complicated, i preferd it when you only had american type ie kicking above the waste or muay ive trained in both, i like to know what im doing when i go to a new club nothing worse than going to a "kickboxing club" & seeing everyone in semicontact gloves, nothing wrong with semi contact ive done it for years, but its not kickboxing, diffrnt animal altogether, & its the same i suppose when you go to a kickboxing club that has adopted thai rules & you get your legs kicked to pieces,a lot of kickboxers dont want it, people need to know what you are guna get before they walk through the door IMO.

Bang on

the trouble is loads of clubs try to adapt just to keep on the band wagon

Got a leaflet through the door about a new Kickboxing class taken by Paul Wellhard who is a 3rd Dan and also claims to be "Wellhard by name, Well Hard by nature"

Has anyone in the Kickboxing community heard about this, the class is to take place at Wincobank on Wednesdays and it claims I will be taught self defence moves such as, how to rip an attackers arms out and leave no trace of violence. It claims even the attacker won't realise his arms are missing until he attempts to go to the toilet

Can anyone shed any light on this?

They aren't biting this time Robby mate!

Wow kick boxing....i used to train at st marys church on the end of bramall lane years ago, think it was about 1995 ish :huh:...that was when i was fit :roll:

Wow kick boxing....i used to train at st marys church on the end of bramall lane years ago, think it was about 1995 ish :huh:...that was when i was fit :roll:

I trained at Bramall lane in the early 90s
who did you train with ?

Wassup with the video ?? , looks good to me.. and remember anyone who steps in the ring ;) should get respect..... whether their doing Boxing, Thai, KB whatever..

Craig.

Wassup with the video ?? , looks good to me.. and remember anyone who steps in the ring ;) should get respect..... whether their doing Boxing, Thai, KB whatever..

Craig.

well said !!

I dont know much about kickboxing but i have read a few threads on here and it apears that one of the guys in the video is a kickboxing instructor, now from what i can gather this instructor seems to think he is the Mr Big in kickboxing circles, he seems to have an opinion on everything to do with kickboxing with a 'I am better than you and I know more than you' attitude and does try to ruffle a few feathers.

The fight is a bit of a farce, and especially for a title, I think the point being if his skills are as good as on the video he should keep his mouth shut.

well said !!

I dont know much about kickboxing but i have read a few threads on here and it apears that one of the guys in the video is a kickboxing instructor, now from what i can gather this instructor seems to think he is the Mr Big in kickboxing circles, he seems to have an opinion on everything to do with kickboxing with a 'I am better than you and I know more than you' attitude and does try to ruffle a few feathers.

The fight is a bit of a farce, and especially for a title, I think the point being if his skills are as good as on the video he should keep his mouth shut.

That video isnt that good but the guy that is chefkicker (white shirt) is very fast and have you seen how flexible his legs are? Ok those guys were nae getting stuck in and looks like they were playing and not scrapping like. This thread is getting really silly and is turning into "i dont like you because you are a ****" . The best discussing was from chopshop and chefkicker and i was reading chefkickers posts. It looks too intellectual so he obviously is quite canny clever. The posts i dont like is spider66 hes rude obnoxious and only wants to slag people down. Spider66 you are a **** ! Chefkicker is ok :hihi:

That video isnt that good but the guy that is chefkicker (white shirt) is very fast and have you seen how flexible his legs are? Ok those guys were nae getting stuck in and looks like they were playing and not scrapping like. This thread is getting really silly and is turning into "i dont like you because you are a ****" . The best discussing was from chopshop and chefkicker and i was reading chefkickers posts. It looks too intellectual so he obviously is quite canny clever. The posts i dont like is spider66 hes rude obnoxious and only wants to slag people down. Spider66 you are a **** ! Chefkicker is ok :hihi:

Well you've just contradicted yourself saying the thread is getting silly cause of the name callin and then joined in yourself. Why don't people just match themselves up and sort it out in the ring instead of calling each other names like school kids

Well last night in training we did push kicks, side kicks, left and right roundhouse (high and low), spinning back kicks,elbows, knees, clinches, jab, cross, left hook, right hook in orthodox and southpaw stance.

That video isnt that good but the guy that is chefkicker (white shirt) is very fast and have you seen how flexible his legs are? Ok those guys were nae getting stuck in and looks like they were playing and not scrapping like. This thread is getting really silly and is turning into "i dont like you because you are a ****" . The best discussing was from chopshop and chefkicker and i was reading chefkickers posts. It looks too intellectual so he obviously is quite canny clever. The posts i dont like is spider66 hes rude obnoxious and only wants to slag people down. Spider66 you are a **** ! Chefkicker is ok :hihi:

Hi casper which post do i actually slag anyone down ??

Just want to find out what is being taught and how - i dont name and shame anyone but i didnt start this thread, it is apparent this thread was only started to stir trouble up. Unfortunatly these things have a tendency to jump up and bite you on the bum..

I teach Boxing, a wide variety of kicks (including leg kicks) knees and techniques from Muay Thai plus sdf self defence thrown in. When we spar its mainly FC rules/low kick or just boxing sometimes.

i fancy having a go at this kick boxing where can i go

i fancy having a go at this kick boxing where can i go

Barny are you having a laugh ...


Seriously try the bloke above oxma ive heard he is ok

There are a lot of uninformative posts on this thread from such as Spider66 and other less well informed folk.

Now to adress a point :"
Again this is all to do with what is being taught and how, I know of one local club where a begginer around 17ys was sparring with one of the clubs best 'fighters' and instead of him being given proper instruction he actually hurt the 'fighter' so the instructor put him in with an older more experianced lad who just started landing head kicks (no pads on) which cut the begginers eye open !
Where is the teaching there"

1. I cant think of ANY kickboxing club either in Sheffield or anywhere else who would let an ABSOLUTE beginner spar???
You need to have been taught how to attack and defend first before you "have a go".

2.Beating up a beginner is never justified! They come to learn not to get beaten up!

3. Cut his eye open??? OUCH!!!

Im sorry but the above should never happen.

There are a lot of uninformative posts on this thread from such as Spider66 and other less well informed folk.

Now to adress a point :"
Again this is all to do with what is being taught and how, I know of one local club where a begginer around 17ys was sparring with one of the clubs best 'fighters' and instead of him being given proper instruction he actually hurt the 'fighter' so the instructor put him in with an older more experianced lad who just started landing head kicks (no pads on) which cut the begginers eye open !
Where is the teaching there"

1. I cant think of ANY kickboxing club either in Sheffield or anywhere else who would let an ABSOLUTE beginner spar???
You need to have been taught how to attack and defend first before you "have a go".

2.Beating up a beginner is never justified! They come to learn not to get beaten up!

3. Cut his eye open??? OUCH!!!

Im sorry but the above should never happen.

I will agree with chefkiker on this point things like this are bad for the sport of kickboxing and hopefully should never happen.

I will agree with chefkiker on this point things like this are bad for the sport of kickboxing and hopefully should never happen.

Bullying is wrong in any way shape or form I always have despised bullies. Bullies are cowards END OF.

well said !!

I dont know much about kickboxing but i have read a few threads on here and it apears that one of the guys in the video is a kickboxing instructor, now from what i can gather this instructor seems to think he is the Mr Big in kickboxing circles, he seems to have an opinion on everything to do with kickboxing with a 'I am better than you and I know more than you' attitude and does try to ruffle a few feathers.

The fight is a bit of a farce, and especially for a title, I think the point being if his skills are as good as on the video he should keep his mouth shut.

As you point out ant you dont know much about kickboxing so it is unfair to make such claims :rant:

i fancy having a go at this kick boxing where can i go

I go to hallam university for my kickboxing classes. We get a really good workout and we get taught punches and kicks by a very good instructor.
I go on Tuesdays at collegiate and Thursdays at city campus.

I go to hallam university for my kickboxing classes. We get a really good workout and we get taught punches and kicks by a very good instructor.
I go on Tuesdays at collegiate and Thursdays at city campus.

LOL Thank you for the compliments Emily!!!

This is an example of how people should be taught in kickboxing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHFlUVWB9Uk

Heres to bringing the thread back on topic.

This is an example of how people should be taught in kickboxing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHFlUVWB9Uk

Heres to bringing the thread back on topic.

Yes these guys are taught very well. Thats more like it

Yes these guys are taught very well. Thats more like it

Thank you Casper. The video you have just seen is actually of one of the beginners classes. Ehssan Fiaz ( 55-57klg fighter) is holding pads for Yousif Ibrahim.
It means a lot to me to have compliments from a student of SDF.

Beginners classes :
Monday/Thursday at 830-930pm

KNOX Boxing Gym
77 Sidney Street
Sheffield S1 4RG

The gym is down the street from Decathlon sports shop and the old Niche Nightclub.

Next door to the gym is a sandwich shop called AMANDA's Cafe.

Hope to see you all there.
All kinds of people are welcome, young and old , fit and unfit. It is our job to get you fit so dont worry about not being fit to begin with.

Classes are still only £5 and our gym is fully equipped with everything, gloves pads, punchbags , floor to ceiling ball, speedball as well as a fully equipped fitness room with 2 treadmills 2 bikes and a free weights area.

Any questions phone 07775 914155