With the exception of incorrectly describing him as a politician I feel this Epitaph taken from the BNP website sums up my and i'm sure many others feelings at this time of great reflection following his death.



Here richly, with
ridiculous display,
The Politician's corpse
was laid away.
While all of his acquaintance sneered and slanged
I wept: for I had longed
to see him hanged.

One should only speak good of the dead.
John Tyndall is dead. Good

who is he anyway ?

nice one car crash :D

it's a shame John Tyndall of the BNP (Bigoted Neurotic Patriots) didn't share some of the same traits as John Tyndall the physicist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tyndall_%28politician%29

shame it didn't happen 71 years ago...

Good riddance to him. One down....

Originally posted by carcrash
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tyndall_%28politician%29

'Tyndall was found dead at his home in Hove, Sussex, on July 19, 2005, less than a week after his 71st birthday. I hope the f*****g c**t had a painful death. Amen to that'...

Taken from the above site. Take it they didn't like him much then.

Wikepedia is a collaberative encyclopedia so anyone may edit the entry (the coment has now been eddited out).

And on a personal note, although there is no love lost between myself and the BNP-ites I do find the glorying in the death of someone rather distastefull and makes the commenters look rather petty...

call me petty if you will but i would of deleted the "and" from your last sentance so it read
"I do find the glorying in the death of someone rather distasteful makes the commenters look rather petty..."

If you REALLY want to be a constipated retard you could say 'distasteful' only has one 'L'.

Saw a few other spelling mistakes... but what the 'L'..! :)

Im am so ****ing happy now ive seen john tyndalls dead on the news ........just hope it wasnt old age and he got what he deserved.

heres hoping to nick griffin being next..........or joe pearce :) (is joe pearce still alive by the way?)

Originally posted by melthebell
Im am so ****ing happy now ive seen john tyndalls dead on the news ........just hope it wasnt old age and he got what he deserved.

heres hoping to nick griffin being next..........or joe pearce :) (is joe pearce still alive by the way?)
Seems to me that none of you are any better than the one who died that you take so much pleasure in his demise.
You are just acting like the ones that are celebrating the deaths of those westerners killed in the bomb blasts last week and! Should be tarred with the same brush as those that are doing so!.

Originally posted by Delboy3
Seems to me that none of you are any better than the one who died that you take so much pleasure in his demise.
You are just acting like the ones that are celebrating the deaths of those westerners killed in the bomb blasts last week and! Should be tarred with the same brush as those that are doing so!.

LOl and celebrating the death of one nazi (THE) british nazi is the same as 55 innocent people?
now you are talking ****................he deserved it, they didnt

Originally posted by Delboy3
Seems to me that none of you are any better than the one who died that you take so much pleasure in his demise.
You are just acting like the ones that are celebrating the deaths of those westerners killed in the bomb blasts last week and! Should be tarred with the same brush as those that are doing so!.
You wouldn't rejoice in the death of Osama Bin Laden then?

Originally posted by Sidla
You wouldn't rejoice in the death of Osama Bin Laden then?

hes only not happy we're rejoicing tyndalls death cos he likes him, if it was somebody he didnt like then he'd be rejoicing

Originally posted by melthebell
LOl and celebrating the death of one nazi (THE) british nazi is the same as 55 innocent people?
now you are talking ****................he deserved it, they didnt So! someone that you do not agree with or has opinions alien to yours deserves to die?
What if everyone thought the same about your opinions or way of life.....A little short sighted I would say!

55 innocent deaths to your thinking...but not to others way of thinking! 1 or 55 there is no difference.

Originally posted by 1Man&hisBMW
'Tyndall was found dead at his home in Hove, Sussex, on July 19, 2005, less than a week after his 71st birthday. I hope the f*****g c**t had a painful death. Amen to that'...


Yay me too! :clap:

Oops - I thought this was the Ted Heath thread...
My mistake :D

the bnps way of thinking is soooooooooooooooooo far away from mine, it hurts, ive been fighting the bnp, NF and the like for the past 20 years, its like a victory :)

His opinions were not only alien to us but to civilised people worldwide



'When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.'
Edmund burke

Originally posted by melthebell
the bnps way of thinking is soooooooooooooooooo far away from mine, it hurts, ive been fighting the bnp, NF and the like for the past 20 years, its like a victory :) Please ask your fam,ily to keep the forum posted as to when you pop off so that others can throw a party too.

i really think this threads gonna divide people in 2 distinct camps.

the anti nazis

and............

royjames

errrrrm i mean, the bnp lovers

Originally posted by melthebell
i really think this threads gonna divide people in 2 distinct camps.

the anti nazis

and............

royjames

errrrrm i mean, the bnp lovers
I am not a nazi but do believe that celebrating the death of anyone the way you are doing is disrespectful and is nothing less than ill mannered and cold.

lol, paying for it (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49933&perpage=15&pagenumber=1)
the same royjames

Originally posted by Delboy3
I am not a nazi but do believe that celebrating the death of anyone the way you are doing is disrespectful and is nothing less than ill mannered and cold.

with the likes of john tyndall im reveling in being distateful.........it feels soooooooooooooooooo good :)

*cracks open another stella*

*plays his irish punk drinking songs comp*

Originally posted by melthebell
i really think this threads gonna divide people in 2 distinct camps.

the anti nazis

and............

royjames

errrrrm i mean, the bnp lovers

And me, who will try and hold the ring steady whilst the usual knocking of seven bells out of each other takes place.

Try not to get too abusive, gentlemen, if you would?

Joe

Originally posted by Gordie OS1
lol, paying for it (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49933&perpage=15&pagenumber=1)
the same royjames


whats that got to do with anything, come on im sure you can tell me

Originally posted by JoeP
And me, who will try and hold the ring steady whilst the usual knocking of seven bells out of each other takes place.

Try not to get too abusive, gentlemen, if you would?

Joe

i dont want to get abusive, im happy rejoicing :)

has nothing to do with it at all

i just found a new sport BNP baiting

Originally posted by JoeP
And me, who will try and hold the ring steady whilst the usual knocking of seven bells out of each other takes place.

Try not to get too abusive, gentlemen, if you would?

Joe no abuse from me joe......i hope they have a great time, i'll probably be having the same type of celebrations when Tony Blair and Prescott die off

Originally posted by Delboy3
no abuse from me joe......i hope they have a great time, i'll probably be having the same type of celebrations when Tony Blair and Prescott die off

Then you will know what it feels like to be in a minority :)

Originally posted by 1Man&hisBMW
Then you will know what it feels like to be in a minority :) Like the percentage they were elected with?

Originally posted by Delboy3
no abuse from me joe......i hope they have a great time, i'll probably be having the same type of celebrations when Tony Blair and Prescott die off

me too :)

Originally posted by melthebell
me too :) WE seem to have something in common then..lmao

Originally posted by Delboy3
WE seem to have something in common then..lmao

yeah well im an anarchist and so hate all politicians....some more than others mind, normally the more right wing they are, and as new labour are almost as right wing as the tories these days, they are high up on the list :P

Originally posted by melthebell
yeah well im an anarchist and so hate all politicians....some more than others mind, normally the more right wing they are, and as new labour are almost as right wing as the tories these days, they are high up on the list :P Nice, amazing that your views are on the same par as John Tyndall's then, His one opinion was also to use violence to get what he wanted...not much unlike an anarchist.

Originally posted by Delboy3
Nice, amazing that your views are on the same par as John Tyndall's then, His one opinion was also to use violence to get hat he wanted...not much unlike an anarchist.
not all anarchists are violent.......real anarchy is not whats in the dictionary, that is chaos........most live via anarchy and peace.

which boils down to doing what you want, as long as you dont mess up anybody elses right to living how they want...peacefully.
living your life how you would want to be treated by others, respecting other individuals and helping the community (which is lacking these days)

and a smattering of equality.........which im afraid the bnp etc ARE lacking

Originally posted by melthebell
not all anarchists are violent.......real anarchy is not whats in the dictionary, that is chaos........most live via anarchy and peace.

which boils down to doing what you want, as long as you dont mess up anybody elses right to living how they want...peacefully.
living your life how you would want to be treated by others, respecting other individuals and helping the community (which is lacking these days)

and a smattering of equality.........which im afraid the bnp etc ARE lacking I have found most anarchists to be people that live off others and want to do whatever they want at the expense of others.

The ones I have seen in demonstrations etc, were not peace loving people at all.

Originally posted by Delboy3
I have found most anarchists to be people that live off others and want to do whatever they want at the expense of others.

The ones I have seen in demonstrations etc, were not peace loving people at all.

ive been on demos, ive been violent if needs be

i prefer living peacefully, respecting others tho

but i still have hate in my head for certain people

Originally posted by melthebell
ive been on demos, ive been violent if needs be

i prefer living peacefully, respecting others tho

but i still have hate in my head for certain people Your post here has just about contradicted the other one in full with one exception.....you never mentioned anything about doing things at others expense.

Originally posted by Delboy3
Your post here has just about contradicted the other one in full with one exception.....you never mentioned anything about doing things at others expense.
doing things at others expense?
i dont follow

Originally posted by melthebell
ive been on demos, ive been violent if needs be

i prefer living peacefully, respecting others tho



eh?

:confused:

Originally posted by spook
eh?

:confused:
you mean why violent AND peaceful?

well i believe in violence if the needs require it.

ie:- once late at night in sheffield we came across some bloke beating his wife up in a back street just off the peace gardens, told him to stop, he didnt, so i forcibly stopped him ........things like that i believe all heartedly in doing.

also the poll tax riot in london.......i wasnt there, BUT it DID get rid of the poll tax (well it was one part of a whole anyway)

ANYWAY can we get off me and back to rejoicing about the death of john tyndall :)

apparently no susispicious circumstances, yet he dies two days before his court case?? hm very coincidental?

Originally posted by melthebell
you mean why violent AND peaceful?

well i believe in violence if the needs require it.

ie:- once late at night in sheffield we came across some bloke beating his wife up in a back street just off the peace gardens, told him to stop, he didnt, so i forcibly stopped him ........things like that i believe all heartedly in doing.

also the poll tax riot in london.......i wasnt there, BUT it DID get rid of the poll tax (well it was one part of a whole anyway)

point 1 - no problem.
point 2 - who was the violence justified against?

Like most of us I usually get sad when someone dies....but today.... I just don't feel it....wish you could see my smile...

Those who rejoice at the death of a patriot just show themselves up for what they are sad, pathetic people who make me sick.
J T was a man who loved his country and he will be sadly missed by many patriots.
RIP John.
You was the best.:thumbsup:

Originally posted by royjames
Those who rejoice at the death of a patriot just show themselves up for what they are sad, pathetic people who make me sick.
J T was a man who loved his country and he will be sadly missed by many patriots.
RIP John.
You was the best.:thumbsup:
he didnt love his country, he just hated other races pure and simple

i really cant understand the need for moderators on here , well not tonight anyway i wonder if there practising for the swordfighting:P

Talking of people showing themselves up for what they are....


Originally posted by royjames

J T was a man who loved his country and he will be sadly missed by many patriots.
RIP John.
You was the best.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/programmes/2001/bnp_special/roots/1950.stm

John Tyndall is the one on the left.

Regardless of your opinions of the BNP this bloke will still have a family so all this revelling in his death is a bit insensitive.

Just cos he was a supporter of the BNP doesn't mean his family all were.

Originally posted by panda79
i really cant understand the need for moderators on here , well not tonight anyway i wonder if there practising for the swordfighting:P

That's because on this thread, poor taste though it may be, no one is carrying out any personal abuse, making racist comments or generally pushing their luck.

But we're still watching. ;)

Joe

I'd like to believe in reincarnation.......

I like to think someone aint getting any choice as to whom or where they get recycled ;)

Originally posted by royjames
Those who rejoice at the death of a patriot just show themselves up for what they are sad, pathetic people who make me sick.
J T was a man who loved his country and he will be sadly missed by many patriots.
RIP John.
You was the best.:thumbsup:

how can anyone say they are patriotic, we aren't even the indigenous people in this country, in fact no one can say they are 100% british (well they can probably say it just not prove it .)

OK, not everyone agrees with their policies but its beyond me how anyone can take satisfaction in the death of another and openly say they are glad another individual is dead..

Let me get this right.. Who are the sicko's here :confused:

Originally posted by Deejay
OK, not everyone agrees with their policies but its beyond me how anyone can take satisfaction in the death of another and openly say they are glad another individual is dead..

Let me get this right.. Who are the sicko's here :confused:

*sticks hand up*

Originally posted by royjames
Those who rejoice at the death of a patriot just show themselves up for what they are sad, pathetic people who make me sick.
J T was a man who loved his country and he will be sadly missed by many patriots.
RIP John.
You was the best.:thumbsup:

John Tyndall - "a patriot"? Pass me a sick bag please. :gag:

Just follow the excellent link provided by fyybjy, and you will see your so-called "patriot" dressed in Nazi uniform, standing by a photo of his hero, Adolf Hitler.

I'll tell you who were patriots royjames - it was the brave men and women who fought and died in WW2. They fought the Nazis, not saluted them. How dare anyone smear the memory of these true patriots by comparing them to a self-confessed Nazi.

Originally posted by redrobbo
John Tyndall - "a patriot"? Pass me a sick bag please. :gag:

Just follow the excellent link provided by fyybjy, and you will see your so-called "patriot" dressed in Nazi uniform, standing by a photo of his hero, Adolf Hitler.

I'll tell you who were patriots royjames - it was the brave men and women who fought and died in WW2. They fought the Nazis, not saluted them. How dare anyone smear the memory of these true patriots by comparing them to a self-confessed Nazi.

Oh dear....! So was he a patriot or infact a Nazi sympathiser? You could argue he was a collaborator... essentially a triator against his own country.... now...who said they should hang ?

I have no doubt whatsoever that Tyndall loved an idea of his 'race and nation' [to coin a favourite phrase of his]. In that sense he was definately a patriot. However, I feel his flirtation with national socialism, or nazism as it is usually known, was misguided. His firm belief in the idea of 'master races' and his desire for a totalitarian state, expressed in his younger years obscured any reasonable nationalistic sentiments/ideas he may have had in his later years. The British people cannot possibly warm to someone who dresses up in nazi uniform, plain and simple.

Having said that, whether people generally disliked him or not, the strange Headmaster-like figure made the then National Front into a political force to be taken very seriously in the late seventies. Let no-one be under any ilusion here. Maggie Thatcher's famous [or infamous, depending upon one's political alliegances] 'swamping' speech was intended as a sop to the far-right of the Tory Party, who were deserting in droves to the NF.

Personally speaking, I think that there is a huge philosophical and moral gulf between Tyndall's version of nationalism and my own patriotic Toryism. Tyndall was not the sort of person I would invite to tea. I shall not be losing any sleep tonight, but equally I will not be celebrating another human being's death in a vulgar and childish way.

I tell you this ,you lot would not know a patriot if they were stood on your face,J T loved this country far more than any of you could imagine.
You dont know the meaning of love of ones country,just look at this country now ,suicide bombs and death of innocents and all through the love you have of multiracialism .
Give me people like J T everytime over you lot,you make me sick.
Those who celebrate the death of a good human being are the lowest of the low.
You ought to be ashamed,oh sorry you dont understand the meaning of that do you?

Originally posted by royjames
I tell you this ,you lot would not know a patriot if they were stood on your face,J T loved this country far more than any of you could imagine.
You dont know the meaning of love of ones country,just look at this country now ,suicide bombs and death of innocents and all through the love you have of multiracialism .
Give me people like J T everytime over you lot,you make me sick.
Those who celebrate the death of a good human being are the lowest of the low.
You ought to be ashamed,oh sorry you dont understand the meaning of that do you?
what are you on?

WE ARE ALL HUMANS .
you can not differentiate between people of other cultures and our selves.
we are all the same, like it or not (which you obviously don't)
fact is, a rather unpleasant man died, and some people are happy about it, he made it to what 71? not bad going i'll be happy if i get to 50. but we all die i'm sure there will be people happy when i go and if there are, good at least i made someone happy :hihi:

Is that picture of him dressed in Nazi gear with a picture of Hitler REAL?!!:o

How did he get away with that?:confused:

I know I probably sound naive and stupid but I have to ask:blush: I thought it would be illegal to rejoice in what Hitler did and support the Nazi's after what happened during WW2?:confused:

Originally posted by timo

Personally speaking, I think that there is a huge philosophical and moral gulf between Tyndall's version of nationalism and my own patriotic Toryism. Tyndall was not the sort of person I would invite to tea. I shall not be losing any sleep tonight, but equally I will not be celebrating another human being's death in a vulgar and childish way.

I would like to concur with these sentiments timo. Although I too won't lose any sleep over his death, I will not celebrate his passing. John Tyndall is dead - but sadly, his facist cohorts are still around. I will concentrate my time on exposing their vile racist and homophobic views.

There was nothing I wished to say on the life and death of John Tyndall - until royjames referred to him as a patriot.

I now see royjames has returned to this thread, once more proclaiming the late departed as a patriot. In the circumstances, I will add the following obituary, which ably puts the spurious claim of a patriot in the trash can -

Sandra Laville and Matthew Taylor
Wednesday July 20, 2005
The Guardian

A racist, violent neo-nazi to the end: BNP founder Tyndall dies

One of the dominant figures of the British far right for the last 50 years has died two days before he was due to appear in court charged with inciting racial hatred. .

Tyndall, the founder of the modern British National party, was known among followers and observers of the far right for his jackboots, arrogance and dedication to Nazi racial ideals. After forming the BNP in 1982, he imposed his particular brand of doctrinaire leadership, holding marches, threatening violence and promoting openly racist policies such as the compulsory repatriation of all foreigners. In the run-up to the local elections last year Tyndall was banned from speaking at a meeting and told by the new leadership: "The many photographs of you in neo-nazi uniform ... are a public relations handicap for the party."

Originally posted by royjames
Those who celebrate the death of a good human being are the lowest of the low.



I am not celebrating the death of Tyndall, even though I am certainly not shedding any tears either.

But in view of the above quote from you, Roy, will you join with me in condemning the BNP as the lowest of the low for celebrating the death of Ted Heath on their official website with the very same poem that Disco Cat quoted at the beginning of this thread?

Originally posted by Patchy
I am not celebrating the death of Tyndall, even though I am certainly not shedding any tears either.

But in view of the above quote from you, Roy, will you join with me in condemning the BNP as the lowest of the low for celebrating the death of Ted Heath on their official website with the very same poem that Disco Cat quoted at the beginning of this thread?
Thanks for making that known here Patchy.

I havn't been on their site since they put me on Redwatch last year but decided to have a look after your posting.

I see that they themselves are no better than the people in here that openly rejoice at the death of another person be that person be good or bad.

This thread will ultimately wind up being a BNP vs Lefties mud slinging match as usual, whilst both parties are equally guilty of being insensitive and lacking in respect for the dead.

JT to my knowledge never killed anyone, His views and opinions were as a lot have stated "Nazi" and white supremist.

I don't believe that he did anything against the people as a whole and he was not a terrorist.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion in life whether it fits in with society or not.

Originally posted by PuressenceUK

Just cos he was a supporter of the BNP doesn't mean his family all were.

He met his wife in th National Front

Originally posted by royjames

You was the best.:thumbsup:

Strange how much things can change in 24 hours.

If Roy James had posted this comment this time yesterday he could have been thrown out of the BNP, that's how much Roy James and friends loved John Tyndalls patriotism prior to his death.

One of the rumours doing the rounds is that he committed suicide because he could not afford his legal fees, as unlike Collett and Griffin the BNP were not paying his in their court case tomorrow.

Indeed the BNP have a campaign called "free the free speech two", either a prophetic sign they knew Tyndall would kick the bucket or a blatant indication of just how unloved by the BNP leadership Tyndall was. So unloved they wouldn't campaign on his behalf and left him isolated, with friends like that hey.

I love how easily people dying can change their enemies perception.

I agree with Roy, you guys should be ashamed, gloating like this over the death of another person. After I got a telling off for cracking a joke in a thread about someone dying and to told to "show some respect" I can't believe the two-facededness (if thats a word) of this board that no-one has said the same here.

Well his death means griffin has got a stronger grip on BNP than he has had before. I can see yet another split in the party coming up in the next couple of years or whenever Griffin gets released if found guilty.
Roy do you know anything about a new group called the National Alliance

Originally posted by nick2
I agree with Roy, you guys should be ashamed, gloating like this over the death of another person.

I'm genuinely sad he has died, I was thoroughly looking forward to him spending seven years in prison but now he has escaped it. I couldn't be more gutted.

Originally posted by nick2
I can't believe the two-facededness (if thats a word) of this board that no-one has said the same here.

They have haven't they? wasn't that the jist of Derek's contributions?

The difference is Richard Whitely was a Yorkshire institution much loved by practically everyone and his death was a tragic shock. Were as if you look back through Roy James's comments on John Tyndall in the archieved BNP threads you will see that even many of his fellow fascists detested the vile man and did as much as possible to distance themselves from him when he was alive.

To reiterate, Tyndall's form of nationalism is very different to my Burkean Tory approach. Nevertheless, regardless of whether he had nazi sympathies, wore paramilitary uniforms or even tight lederhosen, no one can possibly deny that he was patriotic. Tyndall, like all patriots, was loyal to and passionate about an idea [whether instinctive or socially-constructed, I cannot say] of Britain and the British people. It may not have been in line with the left/liberal consensus but he passionately believed in the cherished idea. It is fatuous to pretend otherwise. The fact that most people appear not to share his specifically racial nationalism is irrelevant.

I cannot abide the political views of Tony Benn, and disagree with practically everything he has ever said. His vision of Britain is to me a nightmare. Nevertheless, I acknowledge that he is a patriot [he has fought for his country too]. I do not dismiss his love for Britain merely on the grounds that I dislike him and find his ideas risible. A patriot is a patriot. Some see Britain through a different lens than the majority of us. I realise, of course, that some would call that an understatement in relation to Tyndall.

Originally posted by Disco_Cat

I love how easily people dying can change their enemies perception.

Realise I'm doing a Helevan here but this anti-Tyndall website run by pro Nick griffin factions within the BNP is a good example of the above.

http://www.tyndallexposed.com/

It's days like this Google Cache really comes into it's own

Originally posted by royjames
I tell you this ,you lot would not know a patriot if they were stood on your face

A scenario which might not be unfamiliar to those who have had certain encounters with JT's brand of patriot.

Nicely put Damon..

Anyone who said that, and i quote "Mein Kamph is my bible" is no patriot, its ironic that his hero was someone who wanted to wipe us out and destroy our cities!!!

Hope he gets what he deserves.

Originally posted by Damon
A scenario which might not be unfamiliar to those who have had certain encounters with JT's brand of patriot.


In German Jackboots no less...

"While many followers supported neo-nazi ideas, Tyndall was known for his dedication to them. Colleagues tell of an occasion in the 1960s when, after crossing the German border on the way to a nationalist meeting, he stopped at a shoe shop where he kept them waiting for an hour while he chose his first pair of genuine German jackboots"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1532020,00.html

Originally posted by timo
I cannot abide the political views of Tony Benn, and disagree with practically everything he has ever said. His vision of Britain is to me a nightmare. Nevertheless, I acknowledge that he is a patriot [he has fought for his country too]. I do not dismiss his love for Britain merely on the grounds that I dislike him and find his ideas risible. A patriot is a patriot. Some see Britain through a different lens than the majority of us. I realise, of course, that some would call that an understatement in relation to Tyndall.

To draw a parallel between the vile fascist Tyndall and Tony Benn is a bit much.

If Tyndall was a patriot then I spit on patriotism.

Originally posted by Deejay
OK, not everyone agrees with their policies but its beyond me how anyone can take satisfaction in the death of another and openly say they are glad another individual is dead..

Let me get this right.. Who are the sicko's here :confused:

its not about that though is it?

He was a man who espoused hate against people he considered to be on the level of animals. How many people has he directly or indirectly hurt through his words and views.

He'd have been quite happy for the Hollocaust to happen again and again.

Why shouldn't I be happy that someone who believed that black people are animals is dead?

As for his family. I couldn't give a hoot. They either agree with his views or should have disowned him years ago. If he were my father I wouldn't have had a father.

Greenback,
Well, you can do so if you wish. My idea of patriotism is very different to Tyndall's too. Nevertheless, I don't deny that he loved an 'idea' of Britain. It may not be the 'nice' or even 'right' idea, but he felt great passion for it. I am not making excuses for his nazism. I am not sympathetic to the cause of national socialism, but I think it pointless to deny the plain fact that people like Tyndall, and even Hitler, do love their own , subjective concept of 'nation'. You would not be spitting on patriotism, merely patriotism seen through the national socialist, or nazi, lens. Tyndall's patriotism was based purely upon 'race', which is not how most people conceptualise patriotism in the West. However, it is actually similar to how the Japanese view patriotism. The idea of the 'divine Yamato race' still lives on in the land of the rising sun. There 'race' and nation are still seen as interlinked.

Ultimately, Tyndall appears to have clung to his nazi beliefs. In my view he was a gift to those who seek to label any form of patriotic nationalism as suspect and morally problematic. Many good people genuinely concerned about the possible increase in ethnic enmity and violence as a result of unregulated mass immigration have been labelled as 'cranks' because of this silly nazi flirtation. Many on the left think 'scratch a nationalist, find a nazi'. It is usually far from true. However, Tyndall unintentionally played a part in creating the negative image associated with nationalist politics in Britain.

Post-Tyndall, the discussion of race and problems associated with race and immigration have lost most of the taboo surrounding them. In Tyndall's heyday, the middle classes whispered about such things, Now, they talk openly about their fears for the future of 'multicultural' Britain. So, the 'nazi' cloud that hung over the discussion of such matters is beginning to disperse. That is a good thing. For example, just because people like myself have concerns about levels of further immigration does not mean that we favour repatriation or deportation of peoples already here, or those born British. Tyndall's legacy is that, until recently, practically any attempt to discuss problems associated with multiculturalism was dismissed as closet-fascism.

We have also heard of this man Tyndal,a good man who loved white people very much.
We are sorry he has passed away,but he leaves a good history for white nationaism.

Originally posted by polish_lady
We have also heard of this man Tyndal,a good man who loved white people very much.
We are sorry he has passed away,but he leaves a good history for white nationaism.

No, he wasn't a "good man".

He was a disgusting Nazi - but judging by your other openly racist posts on the forum, it's little wonder you empathise so much with him.

Polish_lady... may I just ask you where and when you formed your opinions on "white supremacy" and what facts you use to back up your opinion?

I am genuinely curious. I want to know what makes people think in this way, as it seems totally alien to me.

I think Roy mentioned that he was going out with somebody from Poland or am I adding 2+2 together and getting the wrong end of the stick?

I am a natural born racist,I was like this long before I met Roy,many Poles are like me and why not?

What does your signiture say out of interest?

Originally posted by polish_lady
I am a natural born racist,I was like this long before I met Roy,many Poles are like me and why not?

But I asked why.

I'm sure that there isn't a "racist gene" so surely it's down to nurture and not nature.

If you are so racist, then why come to such a multicultural country?

Originally posted by polish_lady
many Poles are like me

Sadly Roy is right on this one. When I was in Poland their were huge swathes of the city with Swastika's graffitied on the walls.

Originally posted by Norton

If you are so racist, then why come to such a multicultural country?

Or equally if you hate immigrants so much, why become one?

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
Or equally if you hate immigrants so much, why become one?

From reading her past posts, I don't believe she hates immigrants.

I believe her prejudice lies with those of differing colour skin to her own, whether they be British, American, Canadian, African, Bangladeshi etc. in origin.

Me and Roy are going to Warsaw very soon. I will introduce Roy to my many nationalists friends.
We will take many BNP literature with us to help make us all more closer togeather,I am sure Roy will love it in my country as we dont have the blacks and the rest .
Here in England are many polish nationalists who are invited by english nationalists to live here in Sheffield or London.
So i have to upset you all and say that English-Polish nationalists co-operation is developing all the time.
Tonight I will be attending a big BNP meeting and I am sure that you wish me good luck.
It will be good to see leader of party Nick Griffin, I will be very proud of it.
I am sure that many white nacionalist in whole world would like to meet famous Nick.Sorry but I won't tell you where it is because it is a secret.

Anyway don't worry soon you will be happy white country again :D

Originally posted by polish_lady
Anyway don't worry soon you will be happy white country again :D

I'm perfectly fine with it the way it is, if it's all the same.

Originally posted by polish_lady

It will be good to see leader of party Nick Griffin, I will be very proud of it.


Make the most of it, it will be his last for a good few years.

Mod. Note

Hi folks, if we can keep this on the demise of Mr Tyndall, that would be nice.

Disgressions on to racism in general can be explored elsewhere.

Thanks,

Joe

Originally posted by polish_lady
Sorry but I won't tell you where it is because it is a secret.



It's probably for the best, after all this is what happens when the BNP do let slip that griffin is in the area. This sort of opposition to your racism doesn't exactly support your boast we will be all white soon.

http://www.schnews.org.uk/schmovies/lepensmll.ram

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
Or equally if you hate immigrants so much, why become one?

Oh, all the time i explain you what I think about immigrants.I told you that it is not a problem if you are white european immigrant.
In Poland we have immigrats from England,Germany and France etc. and that is ok if they are white. Poland is in Europe it is geographic fact and cannot change it so it is natural that european people (white) want to live in diffrent european country to deveop their language skills and work experience.
Europe for thousands years was a white teritory and I think that we don't have right to change it.We should keep Europe clean because we have to show respect for our history and our nations.

If a man spouts hatred for the majority of his life then there should be no real suprise when upon his demise there is a certain amount of glee.

I'll not mourn the death of a grubby little racist.

Originally posted by Swan_Vesta
If a man spouts hatred for the majority of his life then there should be no real suprise when upon his demise there is a certain amount of glee.


But it would be more grown-up and civilised to keep that glee to yourself rather than gloat and joke about it on a public forum.

I'll not mourn the death of a grubby little racist. [/B][/QUOTE]


Well I for one will hold a minutes silence tonight at our party meeting for this brave man,and I am sure those present will do the same.
Its never easy when you are invloved in nationalist politics,you can get many obstacles put in your way but like J T you have to have the guts to see it through,and boy he had some guts,I have the utmost respect for what he did and mourn his passing.
Now we have to work even harder to aceive what J T wanted,this will be our goals to aim for,in his name.:thumbsup:

Will you be selling copies of spearhead as a mark of respect?

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
Will you be selling copies of spearhead as a mark of respect?

Would you like it if roy slagged of some who died that you respected ?

Originally posted by nick2
Would you like it if roy slagged of some who died that you respected ?

But prior to his death Roy didn't respect John Tyndall, on numerous posts he has tried to distance himself as much as possible from him.

And to be truthful I'm sure when people I respect die Roy James and co will slag them off, the way they celebrated the death of Heath on their website is a clear example of what huge double standards Roy is now displaying once again. Did he complain to the BNP following that? I don't think so.

Originally posted by nick2
Would you like it if roy slagged of some who died that you respected ?

I also fail to see how the above question is slagging JT off. He published a magazine called Spearhead. Will the BNP be selling it as a mark of respect? If not why not.

over to you on this one Roy.......

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
But prior to his death Roy didn't respect John Tyndall, on numerous posts he has tried to distance himself as much as possible from him.

And to be truthful I'm sure when people I respect die Roy James and co will slag them off, the way they celebrated the death of Heath on their website is a clear example of what huge double standards Roy is now displaying once again. Did he complain to the BNP following that? I don't think so.

So you are now putting yourself on a moral level with the BNP - are you happy with that? Personally I would have thought someone who prefesses to hate the BNP as much as you do would be above using their tactics?

Originally posted by evildrneil
So you are now putting yourself on a moral level with the BNP - are you happy with that?

I can understand why people object to other celebrating peoples deaths. But their are occasions when I am genuinely pleased someone is no longer on this earth and this is one of them.

So in that way yes I suppose regarding this single issue I am on a 'moral' level with the BNP, however I do not share their moral hypocrisy o this issue.

Here they are moaning about how disrespectful we are being, but a few short hours prior they were celebrating the death of Heath openly on their website. All I have done is use the Epitaph they chose to celebrate Heaths death with and apply it to someone I despised dying.

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
Here they are moaning about how disrespectful we are being, but a few short hours prior they were celebrating the death of Heath openly on their website. All I have done is use the Epitaph they chose to celebrate Heaths death with and apply it to someone I despised dying.

The difference is that Roy didn't slag Heath of on this board, indeed he might not have had any feeling towards Heath at all, we don't know, he didn't comment in the thread about him. You however use the forum to start your hate thread then justified it with the news that you had read something else you didn't like on another website.

Originally posted by Disco_Cat

Here they are moaning about how disrespectful we are being, but a few short hours prior they were celebrating the death of Heath openly on their website. All I have done is use the Epitaph they chose to celebrate Heaths death with and apply it to someone I despised dying.


Mod. Note

I don't care what the BNP do on their web site; I care very much about what we do on ours.

This debate is going nowhere, as often seems to be teh case with issues surrounding the BNP. I'll leave this to run for a while longer and will probably close it later this evening unless there are some good, sensible reasons why not.

Joe

I feel the death of J T has made some very happy,well thats for them to deal with,I wont comment on this anymore.
Suffice to say the passing of another human being is something that deserves a little respect and not to be turned into a diatribe.

Originally posted by nick2
The difference is that Roy didn't slag Heath of on this board, indeed he might not have had any feeling towards Heath at all, we don't know, he didn't comment in the thread about him. You however use the forum to start your hate thread then justified it with the news that you had read something else you didn't like on another website.

Oh no I'd have been happy to have justifed my post without that reference.

I just thought it was important to put these hypocritical comments into perspective. Incidently I started the thread with a reference to the Heath article on the BNP website, so the 'then' that I bought up the article was right at the start of the thread.

Basically I started my 'thread of hate' Becasue I couldn't stand John Tyndal, now that he's dead, I wanted to share this good news with as many people as possible.

Can i just ask, would you have been so critical of me if you hadn't be 'burnt' for joking about Whitley's death?

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?postid=504923#post504923

Originally posted by nick2
Would you like it if roy slagged of some who died that you respected ?

see normally agree that its wrong to celebrate someone's death

however, I'm sure people would object if say I wanted to have a one minute silence for the anniversary of Hitlers death. This bloke is just another NAZI. who would be quite happy for all blacks and homosexuals to be marched into the "showers".

Is Spearhead still banned at BNP meetings Roy?

Originally posted by nick2
But it would be more grown-up and civilised to keep that glee to yourself rather than gloat and joke about it on a public forum.
who said anything about being civilised and grown up?

*gloats some more*

:clap:

I remember not so long ago, that an entirely irredeemable, and wholly evil person, by the name of Idi Amin shuffled off this mortal coil.... and not a minute too soon....

I recall very few laments to his passing, save for the observations that:-
a) justice had not been served in his passing, and that b) it was many years too late for the liking of many of us who commented.

I have no regrets on gloating at Amin's passing, and I have no regrets at hearing of the passing of another person, who, in mine, and many's opinion was an evil person, too.

Of course he will be mourned by his family, and his friends, that's only to be expected... but I am afraid he won't be mourned in this house.

PT

Originally posted by melthebell
who said anything about being civilised and grown up?



'The Lost Race' a BBC documentary is a must see for all interested in Tydnall.

It ends so perfectly with a scene of him listening to a piece of classical music at his desk taken from earlier in the film but they have edited in some Jimmy Cliff to replace the classical.

Very fitting end to the documentary. Very funny.

Originally posted by royjames
I tell you this ,you lot would not know a patriot if they were stood on your face,

Probably not, as it might be quite hard to see past the soles of his/her Doc Martens.

Ah, all hail John T and the strangely one-sided band of raggle-taggle halfwits who follow his credo; much maligned, but not nearly enough.

Roy, should you get taken ill and, unlike your hero, actually discovered before you expire, you'd best hope you don't end up in hospital. The National Health Service is a proper old microcosm of the multiracial society you find so dangerous and you're quite likely to find the coup de grace being administered to you by someone who came here on a boat. Why? Because if the marauding hordes of foreigners didn't flock here there wouldn't be a nursing profession in this country, and you'd be waiting weeks in Emergency Admissions to get seen by a doctor.

Still, at least Tyndall stayed true to his credo and died alone at home rather than taking up the time of a filthy Jamaican, African or Filipino nurse, eh? What a dude.

I for one am glad the mother****er Tyndall is dead and gone...May his soul rot in hell...Roy...take ya self and the other nazi off to Poland and stay there...We don't want you here messing up our lovely country anymore...Sooner we are rid of the venom that Tyndall and his cronies spread around ...the better...You are the pits man...and you have the ordasity to insult me...a peace loving person...who wants to live in harmony with his fellow man and woman no matter what colour, race or religion....I have done more in one day to make life a little better for all of us than you could in a lifetime...You are a joke and the rest of your mob are the same...**** you...

Mod. Note

Well, I said I'd consider closing the thread this evening and brainchild's erudite and well argued post provides the reasoning behind my decision.

I'll leave it here for a while for people to look over, and will remove it later.

Thanks,

Joe