I know everyone seems to be slagging each others team off at the moment, and there seems to be a lot of childish name calling going on, but I've noticed that more than ever there seems to be a lot of 'my clubs great, yours is rubbish' coming out of both sides.

As far as United go, I think the loss of the Kyles was on the cards from almost the first time they both kicked a ball. They are very special talents and they will be a loss to the team. However, I, like many, was worried after last season that we would lose all our best players and have no money to spend. This hasn't happened, and if (big if) Little and Lita were both to sign before the start of the season then I see nothing to suggest we have a weaker side than last season. Evans looks like a good signing, and I'm mostly happy with the other signings.

The plans for the ground look good, and the ticket prices are still great to encourage more people to come and fill the ground. I still believe that McCabe has the desire to get the Blades into the premier and I think there if every chance that United can be up there in the top six at the end of the season.

Wednesday, perhaps the 'sleeping giant' is starting to wake? At least in terms of a Championship giant. The new board have given new life to the club and the fans seem to be looking forward to the new season for a change. The ticket prices have been set to entice the fans back, and I fully expect to see the attendances go up this season.

There have been some decent signings by Laws this season, and I think that Potter will do especially well for the owls. Most importantly Wednesday have managed to hold on to their players and that they now have the ability to turn down transfer offers shows the world of difference between the new board and the old one.

With new investment expected, and new plans for the stadium things are finally starting to look up for the ground, too! Hopefully these will be seen in the not to distant future.

To me, it looks like things are going well for both Sheffield teams, on and off the pitch, and it's been a long, long time since we have been able to say that. I feel that the pointless arguing is stupid from both sides. We all know what the home truths are when we look at things objectively, so why bother fighting about it.

That isn't to say that banter is a bad thing, but calling each other names are arguing about which stadium serves the best pies is not banter, it's just stupid.

So, lets celebrate that fact that we will soon have a city with two great stadiums and two premier league teams! (Well, we can hope, anyway)

I haven't read it all yet but I'd like to congratulate you on colour co-ordinating your post.

I haven't read it all yet but I'd like to congratulate you on colour co-ordinating your post.

That was the part I was most proud of! :hihi:

a very refreshing post snook and great colour co-ordinating:hihi: i completely agree, both teams seem to be on the up. utd were always going to lose the kyles but unlike previous times you seem to be trying to attract quality players like lita and maybe ched depending if he can perform well.
this is the first time in a while i've looked forward to a season in a while. we have brought in new players(purse, miller) and signed up the 2 loanees making the squad much stronger and we havent had to sell anyone to do it while also rejecting the bid for tudgay. the club are looking to spend some serious money on the stadium and the whole club just feels a whole lot better.
the future is looking good for both sheffield sides

very good post Snook ,and i agree with all of it .

things are looking good on both sides of the city -when was the last time sheffield football could say that .

Great post Snook.

And what sumptuous, evocative colouring! :)

Any optimism is somewhat tempered by a fear that Blackwell might have a decent squad at his disposal but not the tactical knowledge in getting the team to play to its best.

Thus, a bit like the play-off final, Blackwell and his tactics might prove to be the undoing of the team.

As for Wednesday, it's a bit like the economy and the recession. Green shoots perhaps, but too soon to get too excited.

As a Blade I'm far from excited at the prospects for the coming season.Hopefully that will have changed after the first few games.As for the Owls I think they have good reason to be optimistic and might surprise a few people-play offs won't be far away.Could be interesting.

As a Blade I'm far from excited at the prospects for the coming season.Hopefully that will have changed after the first few games.As for the Owls I think they have good reason to be optimistic and might surprise a few people-play offs won't be far away.Could be interesting.

If United get Lita though, you'll have arguably the best pairing in the division in Evans and Lita.

The only two strikers last season who scared me to death at Hillsborough were Lita and Ebanks-Blake.

If United get Lita though, you'll have arguably the best pairing in the division in Evans and Lita.

The only two strikers last season who scared me to death at Hillsborough were Lita and Ebanks-Blake.

Id say Ross McCormack and Jason Scotland were not far away either.
McCormack was awesome last season.
If he stay's at Cardiff then him and Chopra will be by far the most lethal partnership in this division.

Id say Ross McCormack and Jason Scotland were not far away either.
McCormack was awesome last season.
If he stay's at Cardiff then him and Chopra will be by far the most lethal partnership in this division.

Ross McCormack didn't play for long at Hillsborough and Scotland was absolute poo as well. Beevers had him in his pocket all game.

Ross McCormack didn't play for long at Hillsborough and Scotland was absolute poo as well. Beevers had him in his pocket all game.

Yes that's cause Beever's is a good defender and that's why it look's like it could be a promising season, we have prooved we can do well against these good player's.
Saying that 42 goal's between them could hardley be as you call it "poo".

I know everyone seems to be slagging each others team off at the moment, and there seems to be a lot of childish name calling going on, but I've noticed that more than ever there seems to be a lot of 'my clubs great, yours is rubbish' coming out of both sides.

As far as United go, I think the loss of the Kyles was on the cards from almost the first time they both kicked a ball. They are very special talents and they will be a loss to the team. However, I, like many, was worried after last season that we would lose all our best players and have no money to spend. This hasn't happened, and if (big if) Little and Lita were both to sign before the start of the season then I see nothing to suggest we have a weaker side than last season. Evans looks like a good signing, and I'm mostly happy with the other signings.

The plans for the ground look good, and the ticket prices are still great to encourage more people to come and fill the ground. I still believe that McCabe has the desire to get the Blades into the premier and I think there if every chance that United can be up there in the top six at the end of the season.

Wednesday, perhaps the 'sleeping giant' is starting to wake? At least in terms of a Championship giant. The new board have given new life to the club and the fans seem to be looking forward to the new season for a change. The ticket prices have been set to entice the fans back, and I fully expect to see the attendances go up this season.

There have been some decent signings by Laws this season, and I think that Potter will do especially well for the owls. Most importantly Wednesday have managed to hold on to their players and that they now have the ability to turn down transfer offers shows the world of difference between the new board and the old one.

With new investment expected, and new plans for the stadium things are finally starting to look up for the ground, too! Hopefully these will be seen in the not to distant future.

To me, it looks like things are going well for both Sheffield teams, on and off the pitch, and it's been a long, long time since we have been able to say that. I feel that the pointless arguing is stupid from both sides. We all know what the home truths are when we look at things objectively, so why bother fighting about it.

That isn't to say that banter is a bad thing, but calling each other names are arguing about which stadium serves the best pies is not banter, it's just stupid.

So, lets celebrate that fact that we will soon have a city with two great stadiums and two premier league teams! (Well, we can hope, anyway)

Great post, the only aspect I'd dispute is that in my opinion Wednesday are well positioned playing wise, but still deep in the mire off the pitch!

We really need a good start to get people back in the ground again!

Chopra is not very good at all in my opinion, not a patch on Scotland and E Banks Blake !

Chopra is not very good at all in my opinion, not a patch on Scotland and E Banks Blake !

Chopra has prooved that he can score goal's for fun in the Championship.
Him and McCormack sound a mouth-watering partnership.
No wonder Cardiff are trying so hard to keep McCormack, i think they know they have a real chance of automatic promotion with that strike force and the player's which they have steadily built up.
Cardiff will be dangerous this season, and only missed out on a possible premiership place by Wednesday on the last day.

I totally agree with you Snook there is a lot to look forward to this year and i expect both teams to be around the top 8.
I dont fear any of the teams coming down but teams such as Ipswich, Forest, Derby, Cardiff could make it interesting.

I totally agree with you Snook there is a lot to look forward to this year and i expect both teams to be around the top 8.
I dont fear any of the teams coming down but teams such as Ipswich, Forest, Derby, Cardiff could make it interesting.

At the moment Ipswich are losing at home to Real Valladolid 1-0 and have looked poor in pre-season looking at there results.
Also West Brom are losing at half time to Cheltenham lol.
There's been some very strange pre season result's, more than usual.

At the moment Ipswich are losing at home to Real Valladolid 1-0 and have looked poor in pre-season looking at there results.
Also West Brom are losing at half time to Cheltenham lol.
There's been some very strange pre season result's, more than usual.

I think the Orient v Newcastle game was the best so far! :hihi:

There are a lot of good teams in the division, but I think both teams have a chance.

I think the Orient v Newcastle game was the best so far! :hihi:

There are a lot of good teams in the division, but I think both teams have a chance.

Yes that must have been worrying, i saw a piece somewhere the other day showing you how many fan's turned up to there friendly at St Jame's Park against Leed's.
16.000 and odd, Leed's brought 5000 aswell, i doubt you will see St Jame's Park full any time soon for a league game.

Great post, the only aspect I'd dispute is that in my opinion Wednesday are well positioned playing wise, but still deep in the mire off the pitch!

We really need a good start to get people back in the ground again!

If you look at Corkers' sig, and the run of games the owls have at the start of the season, you really ought to be at least in the top 6 by the end of those games - some very winnable games, particularly with the uplift in mood and the Tudgay re-signing.

It's hard to see you losing any of those, and could quite easily win almost all of them, in particular the game at Newcastle is virtually a guaranteed 3 points! If you're in the top two or three going into the Lane derby (especially as we've got a few tricky looking games to start), your crowds could be looking to be upto at least the 30k mark - nothing brings a crowd back more than challenging at the top. Certainly will be interesting!

If you look at Corkers' sig, and the run of games the owls have at the start of the season, you really ought to be at least in the top 6 by the end of those games - some very winnable games, particularly with the uplift in mood and the Tudgay re-signing.

It's hard to see you losing any of those, and could quite easily win almost all of them, in particular the game at Newcastle is virtually a guaranteed 3 points! If you're in the top two or three going into the Lane derby (especially as we've got a few tricky looking games to start), your crowds could be looking to be upto at least the 30k mark - nothing brings a crowd back more than challenging at the top. Certainly will be interesting!

That's why i did the sig really, we stand the best chance for years to actually start properly and have a base to build on.
Our start compared to United's in all honesty is so much easier on paper it's untrue.
The first day of the season being it Barnsley aswell promises to be the game of the day in the Championship no doubt.

That's why i did the sig really, we stand the best chance for years to actually start properly and have a base to build on.
Our start compared to United's in all honesty is so much easier on paper it's untrue.
The first day of the season being it Barnsley aswell promises to be the game of the day in the Championship no doubt.

looking at it on paper its odds on we should be top 4 maybe at end of those games but i'm trying not to think like that just incase

That's why i did the sig really, we stand the best chance for years to actually start properly and have a base to build on.
Our start compared to United's in all honesty is so much easier on paper it's untrue.
The first day of the season being it Barnsley aswell promises to be the game of the day in the Championship no doubt.

I think Newcastle-West Brom might be game of the day - I think it's live on the Beeb too? And had Boro-United been on the Saturday, that would've been up there too (based on them coming down and us in the POF) - although the biggest crowd of the day could be at S6 (depending on if the Geordies are home or away!).

looking at it on paper its odds on we should be top 4 maybe at end of those games but i'm trying not to think like that just incase

I know im regretting doing it in a way but if you don't have confidence then you don't get nowhere i suppose m8.

I think Newcastle-West Brom might be game of the day - I think it's live on the Beeb too? And had Boro-United been on the Saturday, that would've been up there too (based on them coming down and us in the POF) - although the biggest crowd of the day could be at S6 (depending on if the Geordies are home or away!).

With it being a Yorkshire Derby i would say it's the game of the day no doubt, but im biased i suppose lol :)

I know im regretting doing it in a way but if you don't have confidence then you don't get nowhere i suppose m8.

cant fault a bit of confidence, just dont go shouting it out that we'll be up there after those games cos you know we wont be if you do:hihi: oh yea and dont place any bets on those games or just let the missus place them for you;)

cant fault a bit of confidence, just dont go shouting it out that we'll be up there after those games cos you know we wont be if you do:hihi: oh yea and dont place any bets on those games or just let the missus place them for you;)

Haha im geting more confident by the minute, no sooner had West Brom equalised against Cheltenham, Cheltenham did the noble thing and scored straight from the kick off lmao.
Cheltenham 2 - 1 West Brom :hihi:

With it being a Yorkshire Derby i would say it's the game of the day no doubt, but im biased i suppose lol :)

if it was utd v barnsley then it would be game of the day for the blades fans, all got different perspective on games depending where your from. i couldnt give a dam about newcastle v west brom

if it was utd v barnsley then it would be game of the day for the blades fans, all got different perspective on games depending where your from. i couldnt give a dam about newcastle v west brom

Newcastle v West Brom has got 0-0 written all over it.

if it was utd v barnsley then it would be game of the day for the blades fans, all got different perspective on games depending where your from. i couldnt give a dam about newcastle v west brom

You may not 'give a dam' about them and to be honest neither do I but unfortunately we don't control who the BBC ITV SKY SETANTA BSKYB ect ect ect thinks are big games (I know they aren't either doing games or have ceased to exist) but just looking at the past, if your not in the top 4 you are a afterthought (put 10 games in last 15 mins)

BTW I agree that your game as a derby should be top game

yep great post snook and agree with most of your points

it makes a change that the owls SHOULD be challenging the blades and

other teams in this league off and on the pitch the gap is getting

closer:bigsmile:

The ace tipster and forum champ gives Weds 11 pts from those games (obviously Rochdale not inc).:D

That's why i did the sig really, we stand the best chance for years to actually start properly and have a base to build on.
Our start compared to United's in all honesty is so much easier on paper it's untrue.
The first day of the season being it Barnsley aswell promises to be the game of the day in the Championship no doubt.

the problem with fixtures like that is that if it goes wrong, it could be a real downer on the team. especially if the players like the fans start to think that its an easy first few games. personally i would like a mixture of the two sheffield teams fixtures, to keep the players honest but also to get a few points in the bag.

as much as i hate to say it it could be playoffs for both teams this year. which as a united fan is bad for two reasons. 1, wednesday reaching the playoffs is annoying. 2, united reaching the playoffs means losing the final.

The ace tipster and forum champ gives Weds 11 pts from those games (obviously Rochdale not inc).:D

Your always welcome to put your neck on the line and put a few tips on yourself now and again, or do you not want to try?
And as for forum champ please enlighten me:confused:

if it was utd v barnsley then it would be game of the day for the blades fans, all got different perspective on games depending where your from. i couldnt give a dam about newcastle v west brom

Of course, but they did both come down from the PL, Newcastle are seen as the biggest club in the division by a distance, and WBA are probably the favourites to go back up, so the attraction of the game is obvious... and while a South Yorkshire derby is of interest locally, I expect the people in Newcastle, London and most other places wouldn't be that bothered about it!

Also, there is the comedy interest with Newcastle, as it seems a lot of people would like to see them go straight through to league 1... :)

Of course, but they did both come down from the PL, Newcastle are seen as the biggest club in the division by a distance, and WBA are probably the favourites to go back up, so the attraction of the game is obvious... and while a South Yorkshire derby is of interest locally, I expect the people in Newcastle, London and most other places wouldn't be that bothered about it!

Also, there is the comedy interest with Newcastle, as it seems a lot of people would like to see them go straight through to league 1... :)

yes, not disputing that. thats why i said it depends where your from. most people in sheffield or have links to sheffield or teams would prefer a derby, most out of the area and broadcasters will always see newcastle as a bigger pull, they might also see the comedy part aswell with newcastle:hihi:

Newcastle v West Brom has got 0-0 written all over it.

It's got a Baggies win all over it.

Any optimism is somewhat tempered by a fear that Blackwell might have a decent squad at his disposal but not the tactical knowledge in getting the team to play to its best.

Thus, a bit like the play-off final, Blackwell and his tactics might prove to be the undoing of the team.

As for Wednesday, it's a bit like the economy and the recession. Green shoots perhaps, but too soon to get too excited.

Ah, as me, a typical 'glass half-full Blade'. Cosmetically, things do look better for both Sheffield sides, but nothing to get excited about. If I'm being honest, I think Midweek would take mid-table right now rather than gamble on being at the top or bottom, and for us, the play-offs would be all I'd like to think about.

I can just see a season of mediocrity for both sides, really.

Your always welcome to put your neck on the line and put a few tips on yourself now and again, or do you not want to try?
And as for forum champ please enlighten me:confused:

Champ of CB's Tosh 13 prediction league mate(OK equal 1st then).Yes I may well show myself up with a few predictions next season.:D

Champ of CB's Tosh 13 prediction league mate(OK equal 1st then).Yes I may well show myself up with a few predictions next season.:D

With you now mate your post was somewhat misleading lol :hihi:

Ah, as me, a typical 'glass half-full Blade'. Cosmetically, things do look better for both Sheffield sides, but nothing to get excited about. If I'm being honest, I think Midweek would take mid-table right now rather than gamble on being at the top or bottom, and for us, the play-offs would be all I'd like to think about.

I can just see a season of mediocrity for both sides, really.

i tend to agree , i dont think either club has improved the squad enough to challange for the honours this season .

Another top half finish would do me until we sort out this investment and debt farse

i tend to agree , i dont think either club has improved the squad enough to challange for the honours this season .

Another top half finish would do me until we sort out this investment and debt farse

i dont think any Owl can expect a top 6 finish this term, but we all know that Football is a strange sport sometimes and things can happen out of the blue (no pun intended) sometimes ... another term similair to last but finish a spot or two higher (that includes another Derby Double!!), get rid of players such as Jeffers and give it a real go the season after ... that said we do have an outside chance of a Play-Off spot come May this yr so lets give it our all, get behind the boys in blue n white and have a go!

I can't see Wednesday finishing much higher than we did last season in all honesty.

That said, fans of Hull, Stoke and Burnley probably didn't expect their sides to be promoted either.

At the moment i think both squads are relitavely better off overall.
I think it could be a good season for both teams.
Cautiously confident.

Great post Snook!
Claret and blue as well ....... very fetching!
I was under the impression that United were not in as strong a position this season as last, but perusing the squad, I'm prepared to rethink.
It does look a fairly decent squad again, but I still cannot accept that Blackwell can manage this team to glory.
I've been saying for the last couple of seasons that (a fully fit) Wednesday squad would not be far away. I believe that we've strengthened our lot in numbers and in quality in the close season, and expect better things from Wednesday again this time. Injuries hampered us badly yet again last season. We can only hope for a relativeley injury free season this time.
I write this in the full knowledge that Sodje is making some consultant a fair few quid as I speak.
Good luck to both teams this season ..... as long as Wednesday finish highest! :)

Wednesdays squad to me:

Need a decent second keeper as cover
4 decent centre halfs
3 good full backs
1 good winger
Need someone in the middle to make things happen (Gray?)
Good options up front if they are all fit