Just got back from the meeting theres a massive redevelament going to happen plus £10m for players the north stand west stand and eventually kop all to be redeveloped. 8m and 2m for starters to redevelop west and north the north will be a place for learning and boost the biggest class room in europe oh and as for finances we are in top 4 clubs in country to be making profit so said the stadium control guy forgot his name. Im sure others who went to the meeting can update this in more detail my memory isnt that great.

supposed to start this november with the north stand

sounds good. hopefully a couple of others went from here, would like to hear more on the redevelopment

with various government grants available for developing learning centres ,im sure we are going to tap into this avenue to redevelop the ground

Just got back from the meeting theres a massive redevelament going to happen plus £10m for players the north stand west stand and eventually kop all to be redeveloped. 8m and 2m for starters to redevelop west and north the north will be a place for learning and boost the biggest class room in europe oh and as for finances we are in top 4 clubs in country to be making profit so said the stadium control guy forgot his name. Im sure others who went to the meeting can update this in more detail my memory isnt that great.

supposed to start this november with the north stand

Are you the guy who posted it on Owlstalk?

I so hope it's true

Just got back from the meeting theres a massive redevelament going to happen plus £10m for players the north stand west stand and eventually kop all to be redeveloped. 8m and 2m for starters to redevelop west and north the north will be a place for learning and boost the biggest class room in europe oh and as for finances we are in top 4 clubs in country to be making profit so said the stadium control guy forgot his name. Im sure others who went to the meeting can update this in more detail my memory isnt that great.

supposed to start this november with the north stand

Its John Rutherford matey, its great news if it pans out, the meeting was it about the stadiun improvements or shareholders or somthing else?

Is the £10m for players immediately available? If so, get in for Lita NOW.

Wished I'd gone to the meeting now.

Are you increasing capacity, or just making it shiny?

Are you increasing capacity, or just making it shiny?

I didn't go to the meeting, but I'd heard previously we were to increase capacity, possibly with a temporary tier on the Lep. People who went to the meeting can correct me on that though

gleened from owlstalk

Exec. boxes along the top of the North Stand, posts removed from Kop and West Stand. Museum and education centres also.
Also said that apparently investment was imminent.

gleened from owlstalk

Exec. boxes along the top of the North Stand, posts removed from Kop and West Stand. Museum and education centres also.
Also said that apparently investment was imminent.

so if they was wanting to do that it would reduce the ground capacity wouldnt it? but then they could get it back in time for the world cup bid with the corners filled etc?

From reading Owlstalk. Posters who went to the meeting have said:

Corporate boxes will be put into the North stand. A new wider concourse and educational facilities will be installed. Recycling of toilet water and Solar panels to also be installed.

Lepp will be redeveloped with some matchday experience thingy on the lower lep, which can be used on non matchday (not exactly sure what was meant)

Kop redeveloped.

Lep and North to be redeveloped first at a cost of £10m.

gleened from owlstalk

Exec. boxes along the top of the North Stand, posts removed from Kop and West Stand. Museum and education centres also.
Also said that apparently investment was imminent.

damn you beat me to it :hihi:

Without seeing the plans, do this mean Hillsborough will more likely get the nod for the World Cup bid?

damn you beat me to it :hihi:

sorry pal got all excited, and started quoting everything hee hee

Without seeing the plans, do this mean Hillsborough will more likely get the nod for the World Cup bid?

i think it would be too close to call between the two grounds. bramall lane at the min would get it if they upped the capacity enough but if wednesday can do all the plans we have heard about then who knows, i certainly wouldnt like to call it

sorry pal got all excited, and started quoting everything hee hee

I hope this really does come to fruition, I'm getting all giddy

i think it would be too close to call between the two grounds. bramall lane at the min would get it if they upped the capacity enough but if wednesday can do all the plans we have heard about then who knows, i certainly wouldnt like to call it

At least we could eventually say Sheffield has two QUALITY stadiums. At the moment the city has two nice traditional grounds, but if both have top notch facilities as well, then we'll have two great traditional stadiums unlike any other city.

John Rutherford the Stadium Manager have a talk and showed the presentation that was given to the 2018 delegation who visited Hillsborough last week. The plans are NOT based on whether we get the WC in 2018, according to JR the redevelopment will start later this year and a £20m investment in the club would be used in part to pay for it (estimated cost for North and West stands is £10m in total).

West stand will have the wall behind the lower seats replaced by windows and the void behind developed into a matchday experience that can be used on non match days too.
this currently where the stewards and programme sellers get ready before matches, it also currently stocks loads of gym equipment and is absolutley massive
North stand will be extended backwards to the shop. The concourse will be widened. Classrooms will be built and right at the top at the back exec boxes will be installed the length of the stand.

Various other ideas were discussed but that is the main points.

Some cracking plans by the sounds of it. Museum, learning centre, new concourse on North, no columns in any stand, the Kop/North corner being filled in, new executive boxes in North and North-West corner.

Hillsborough is going to be superb yet again and maintain it's character.

wonder if the rumours of a hotel between kop and south are legit aswell

wonder if the rumours of a hotel between kop and south are legit aswell

By the sounds of it these plans aren't dependent on the World Cup. Maybe a Hotel will be included once the World Cup venues are decided, as it would be useful during the World Cup. Only speculating though.

I know Utd already have one but there are plenty of hotels springing up in the center of sheff so thats not a big advantage for the blades, i'd have thought a top class hotel right there on the premesis of hillsborough would give them a hand in the world cup decision

Apparently an Arch is planned over the Kop to hold a roof, therefore removing the columns.

We will actually be the Wembley of the north

i'd love to see the plans for this

so if they was wanting to do that it would reduce the ground capacity wouldnt it? but then they could get it back in time for the world cup bid with the corners filled etc?

they will just do the same as the south stand and develop the north stand outwards adding an extra tier for exec boxes

a member on owlstalk wrote this...i bet the betting offices will be dropping those odds if this turns out true

I was at the meeting.

I just threw down 50 beans on us getting promoted this season.

14/1 on SkyBet, grab it while you can lads.



I'll probably regret it in the morning, mind.

they will just do the same as the south stand and develop the north stand outwards adding an extra tier for exec boxes

I'm not keen on that idea. I love the roof of the North Stand. Would be happy if the 're-did' the roof the same way.

a member on owlstalk wrote this...i bet the betting offices will be dropping those odds if this turns out true

I was at the meeting.

I just threw down 50 beans on us getting promoted this season.

14/1 on SkyBet, grab it while you can lads.



I'll probably regret it in the morning, mind.

We've not signed anymore players yet though.

If this money is readily available, we should go for Lita and another midfielder.

From reading Owlstalk. Posters who went to the meeting have said:

Corporate boxes will be put into the North stand. A new wider concourse and educational facilities will be installed. Recycling of toilet water and Solar panels to also be installed.

Lepp will be redeveloped with some matchday experience thingy on the lower lep, which can be used on non matchday (not exactly sure what was meant)

Kop redeveloped.

Lep and North to be redeveloped first at a cost of £10m.

Oh i can see strafford flying!
As from July the first! now where is that wendy forum?

with various government grants available for developing learning centres ,im sure we are going to tap into this avenue to redevelop the ground

You may find that Government grants for Developing Learning Centers are as it says on the box Government grants for Developing Learning Centers not for redeveloping the Ground, Unfortunately redeveloping the ground doesn't fall into this catagority leaves you open to having to pay back all grants and a charge of fraud I Don't think anyone at Hillsborough are silly enough to do that

You may find that Government grants for Developing Learning Centers are as it says on the box Government grants for Developing Learning Centers not for redeveloping the Ground, Unfortunately redeveloping the ground doesn't fall into this catagority leaves you open to having to pay back all grants and a charge of fraud I Don't think anyone at Hillsborough are silly enough to do that

The grant will obviously only be used for the learning centre underneath/behind the North Stand.

I like the sound of the plans, not only will the ground be improved, it'll be a community facility to be used on non-matchdays as well.

I'm not keen on that idea. I love the roof of the North Stand. Would be happy if the 're-did' the roof the same way.

i agree ,but obviously exec boxes on the north will be extra to the current capacity on the north ,so a design simular to the south will maybe the end result

The grant will obviously only be used for the learning centre underneath/behind the North Stand.

I like the sound of the plans, not only will the ground be improved, it'll be a community facility to be used on non-matchdays as well.

That's what I was trying to explain to benny he stated "im sure we are going to tap into this avenue to redevelop the ground"

That's what I was trying to explain to benny he stated "im sure we are going to tap into this avenue to redevelop the ground"

In fairness, I think he did just mean the development of the learning centre. Wording is strange, people interpret things differently - thats why I'm careful when sending letters :hihi:

In fairness, I think he did just mean the development of the learning centre. Wording is strange, people interpret things differently - thats why I'm careful when sending letters :hihi:

yes i did mate , i worded it wrong .

i meant the development of the interier of the stands as learning centres-for which grants are available

i agree ,but obviously exec boxes on the north will be extra to the current capacity on the north ,so a design simular to the south will maybe the end result

It would be a pity to lose that roof though. But developing executive boxes, a learning centre, improving the concourse and still housing the shop and ticket office, I presume the roof will have to be changed dramatically. That's what I've always liked about Hillsborough - the individuality of each stand. Though the idea of an Arch to hold up the Kop roof does sound impressive.

yeah , i really like the idea of the arch on the kop - unique at a club ground in England ,unless im mistaken

yeah , i really like the idea of the arch on the kop - unique at a club ground in England ,unless im mistaken

Can only think of Wembley.

They should develop some big dob off Arch, which goes across Penistone Rd.

They could make a really good arch with an Owl at the top. So it looks like an Owl sitting on a branch. In a 'sophisticated' way though and not tacky.

Think I'm getting carried away!

if all this goes ahead -that will do for me :hihi:

With out getting in to the funding issue, work starting in november may be an issue, have the plans been submited? have they been passed?

Lets accept these rumours are true, your time scale is now down to the planing permissions.

With out getting in to the funding issue, work starting in november may be an issue, have the plans been submited? have they been passed?

Lets accept these rumours are true, your time scale is now down to the planing permissions.

Yep, that's what I was thinking earlier.

I actually study Planning at Uni (don't think I've learnt much :hihi:), but Hillsborough is totally different to other development and I can't really see any issues with the plans. Also, with the plans incorporating Community facilities, then National policy & the LDF's/ UDP policies are going to favour it considerably anyway. So I can't see an issue. The time frame in getting an outcome of the Planning permission is unnecessarily long in my opinion. So I agree, the Planning App must be underway (though its not on the Council's website) or they've had a pre-application meeting whereby they've had very positive feedback - which would make sense, since the World Cup delegation came, I'm sure they'd want to see plans which were supported by the City Council.

Just got back from the meeting theres a massive redevelament going to happen plus £10m for players the north stand west stand and eventually kop all to be redeveloped. 8m and 2m for starters to redevelop west and north the north will be a place for learning and boost the biggest class room in europe oh and as for finances we are in top 4 clubs in country to be making profit so said the stadium control guy forgot his name. Im sure others who went to the meeting can update this in more detail my memory isnt that great.

supposed to start this november with the north stand

Let me guess, 1st July

do you believe EVERYTHING that is said in the sty? :hihi::hihi::help:

Museum, learning centre

Is the museum planned so that you can look back at the halcyon days when you played football. The learning centre is this planned? because you need to find out what the mysterious modern football game is all about.

yet again, as posted elswhere. this is why some people are stopping using the football forum. lets not turn this in to owls v blades. its not about that.

Bitter, bitter Blunts LOVL.

Well, I think it's great if it does happen, and I'm a Blade. I'd love to see the two teams on a similar footing, and then it might actually put an end to all the stupid arguments about who has the better ground, the most money or the most fans.

I think Hillsborough NEEDS to be redeveloped if the club is to continue, and I think the idea of losing seats for boxes is a great idea as it could help the atmosphere in the ground if there are less seats.

As for the bloke who thinks you getting promoted this season is now a great bet... well, I hope you do (but only if we do too!) but I can't see that happening just yet. £10 million sounds a lot, but when you consider that Evans and Sharp cost more than half of that, and that's before wages, I don't think having £10m to play with means automatic promotion (look at QPR, too) but it is certainly a step in the right direction.

Good look, Wednesday, I hope you get investment for this!

yet again, as posted elswhere. this is why some people are stopping using the football forum. lets not turn this in to owls v blades. its not about that.

no not at all, if this is right , then great for you guys, but yet again blades mention something and the owls do the same. stafford is reading the McCabe book right now isn't he :hihi::hihi:

somone metioned in another thread that there is a17 person/company waitng list for hillsborough so the boxes would be snapped up if thats true and as said elsewhere aswell the seating lost to the boxes would probably be made up when the corners of the ground are developed

somone metioned in another thread that there is a17 person/company waitng list for hillsborough so the boxes would be snapped up if thats true and as said elsewhere aswell the seating lost to the boxes would probably be made up when the corners of the ground are developed

It could be in the long run, but at the moment I think you'd do well to get the capacity down and have a full ground. Unlike a lot of fans on both sides, I don't think that a bigger ground is always a better ground, not when it can't be filled (United will have the same problem if the keep expanding) and in the short term it could well be better to lose some seats.

It is great if this goes ahead but lets turn things on its head and remember what certain Owls said about United's development.
Why spend all this money on the ground and it is still only half full?
If the manager cant afford players now then why is there such a huge sum for development?
Again the question remains what do the investors get in return?

Why spend all this money on the ground and it is still only half full?

I would guess because the ground is aging terribly. Without investment in it soon it could lead to having to spend huge amounts to get the ground up to code in the future. It still won't take much now to make it one of the best grounds in the country, but in ten years it'll probably take massive development.

I would guess because the ground is aging terribly. Without investment in it soon it could lead to having to spend huge amounts to get the ground up to code in the future. It still won't take much now to make it one of the best grounds in the country, but in ten years it'll probably take massive development.

Agreed Snook, your answers always seem to be intelligent and well informed.

Sounds like 'jam tomorrow' on the back of poor season ticket sales.

I'm not a bitter Blade but true Wednesday fans need to be told the harsh truths and not the golden promises which might never come true. Investment should take place on the pitch first although some investment is obviously required in bringing the ground up to spec.

A decent season might be nearer than you think and for the sake of Sheffield football, I hope that things are turning around at Wednesday and that they continue to do so at United.

I would guess because the ground is aging terribly. Without investment in it soon it could lead to having to spend huge amounts to get the ground up to code in the future. It still won't take much now to make it one of the best grounds in the country, but in ten years it'll probably take massive development.

Very true.
I cant add this up though. Strafford is asking for fans to paint the ground and then all of a sudden there is massive development in the pipeline. It doesn't make much sense to me. Is he trying to eek out a few hundred more dare i say it S/T?

[QUOTE=freyasdad;5264863]Very true.
I cant add this up though. Strafford is asking for fans to paint the ground and then all of a sudden there is massive development in the pipeline. /QUOTE]

The work at the ground was a fans initiative.

I would guess because the ground is aging terribly. Without investment in it soon it could lead to having to spend huge amounts to get the ground up to code in the future. It still won't take much now to make it one of the best grounds in the country, but in ten years it'll probably take massive development.

very good point ,and very correct. its better to spend an amount now ,rather than 10 times that in the future.

Hillsbro does need some redeveloping ,and as i understand its more improving the current facilitys ,rather than expanding the capacity

this is posted on wednesdayite today

http://www.wednesdayite.com/news/sheffield-wednesday-news/319-stadium-expansion-plans-revealed.html

About time, Hillsborough needs sorting big time.. Don't know the ins and outs of everything but youll have a stadium almost as good as ours ;) and will probably be in pole position for hosting the world cup..

Wont bother saying "Its pointless, youll be playing with 25,000 empty seats etc" no matter how true it is ;) .

Sheffield will have 2 brilliant stadiums which are extremely unecissary. :hihi:

where does this 10m for new players come into it?? or have I missed something?

[QUOTE=armchair dog;5264237]a member on owlstalk wrote this...i bet the betting offices will be dropping those odds if this turns out true

[B]I was at the meeting.

I just threw down 50 beans on us getting promoted this season.

14/1 on SkyBet, grab it while you can lads.

I bet that is Corker :hihi::hihi:



P.S. Novel idea about the museum and the hotel, suprised no other clubs have ever thought about that :hihi::hihi:

Yep, that's what I was thinking earlier.

I actually study Planning at Uni (don't think I've learnt much :hihi:), but Hillsborough is totally different to other development and I can't really see any issues with the plans. Also, with the plans incorporating Community facilities, then National policy & the LDF's/ UDP policies are going to favour it considerably anyway. So I can't see an issue. The time frame in getting an outcome of the Planning permission is unnecessarily long in my opinion. So I agree, the Planning App must be underway (though its not on the Council's website) or they've had a pre-application meeting whereby they've had very positive feedback - which would make sense, since the World Cup delegation came, I'm sure they'd want to see plans which were supported by the City Council.

Think you may have some issues building on a known flood plane!!!!

Anyway - good luck with your new classroom and graywater collection - sounds good. I think the world cup people will be really impressed.

Did someone say there was going to be some crayon drawings released to the press?

where does this 10m for new players come into it?? or have I missed something?

I think it's just been a while since your chairman promised you all something he couldn't deliver, so he thought he'd pipe up with something.

Don't worry though - when he fails to deliver on the £10m, he might renew a contract or two to keep you all quiet!

I think it's just been a while since your chairman promised you all something he couldn't deliver, so he thought he'd pipe up with something.

Don't worry though - when he fails to deliver on the £10m, he might renew a contract or two to keep you all quiet!

what like blackwell signing France to keep you lot quiet about the sale of the kyles?

It is great if this goes ahead but lets turn things on its head and remember what certain Owls said about United's development.
Why spend all this money on the ground and it is still only half full?
If the manager cant afford players now then why is there such a huge sum for development?
Again the question remains what do the investors get in return?

the proposed spending though isnt going to really effect the capacity, probably decrease it slightly with the exec boxes, where as utd plans are mainly going to increase the capacity. i'm still dubious about it though, we cant afford new players then suddnely we get £10 mill for players and all this development. i'm not doubting what the club have told us but it will be a case of believe it when it happens as usual

what like blackwell signing France to keep you lot quiet about the sale of the kyles?

Nope, that would be the signings of Ched Evans and Leroy Lita (hopefully).

Nope, that would be the signings of Ched Evans and Leroy Lita (hopefully).

well aslong as it keeps you quiet....

As qouted earlier that the painting was a fans initiative then why didn't " the chairman that interacts with all fans " stop them in their tracks and say hold on a minute guys you dont need to do that because a) we are going to spend loads of money on development and b) it will make us the laughing stock of Yorkshire football.
Brilliant for you lot if it comes off but seriously it doesn't add up.
P.S is this museum just about Wednesday or Sheffield football?

Just to clarify (and save trawling through this thread!), what has been officially announced about investment, ground redevelopment and a £10m transfer war chest? Is this all 100% official, or what they're hoping for?

Good news for you all if it's all correct! :)

As qouted earlier that the painting was a fans initiative then why didn't " the chairman that interacts with all fans " stop them in their tracks and say hold on a minute guys you dont need to do that because a) we are going to spend loads of money on development and b) it will make us the laughing stock of Yorkshire football.
Brilliant for you lot if it comes off but seriously it doesn't add up.

If this comes off, LS to be given the keys to the city with McCabe not fit to dress his salads.


P.S is this museum just about Wednesday or Sheffield football?

Surely the same thing.

Think you may have some issues building on a known flood plane!!!!



Yes, probably. Fortunately Hillsborough isn't built on a flood plain, it just happens to be where there was an unexpected flood after a freak rainstorm.

Flood plains are where floods occur on a regular basis, apart from 2007 when was the last time you saw coastguard helicopters rescuing people trapped by floods in Sheffield?

Why do we need to go to all this expense to tart up the ground, anyway? Why don't we just stick some cheap cladding up and then say we've got a great stadium?

Why do we need to go to all this expense to tart up the ground, anyway? Why don't we just stick some cheap cladding up and then say we've got a great stadium?

U mean like united have?

(u hold the ball Al, I'll kick it). ;)

If this comes off, LS to be given the keys to the city with McCabe not fit to dress his salads

And if it doesnt come off you will be a bigger laughing stock that you are now

Think you may have some issues building on a known flood plane!!!!

Anyway - good luck with your new classroom and graywater collection - sounds good. I think the world cup people will be really impressed.

Did someone say there was going to be some crayon drawings released to the press?

That won't be an issue as the whole stadium is on a flood plain, so any new development in regard to the stadium won't be held back by that issue.

Yes, probably. Fortunately Hillsborough isn't built on a flood plain, it just happens to be where there was an unexpected flood after a freak rainstorm.

Flood plains are where floods occur on a regular basis, apart from 2007 when was the last time you saw coastguard helicopters rescuing people trapped by floods in Sheffield?

To be fair though, I think it's built on flood risk 3 zone, which is when development is usually a no-no, but as the Stadium is already there, it won't be a problem. As you say, the flooding issue was a one off.

Yes, probably. Fortunately Hillsborough isn't built on a flood plain, it just happens to be where there was an unexpected flood after a freak rainstorm.

Flood plains are where floods occur on a regular basis, apart from 2007 when was the last time you saw coastguard helicopters rescuing people trapped by floods in Sheffield?

and what if this does happen every year?? the weather is getting more strange by the year

and what if this does happen every year?? the weather is getting more strange by the year

We'll just build a dob off Flood defence to protect our shiny renovated stadium :D

Just to clarify (and save trawling through this thread!), what has been officially announced about investment, ground redevelopment and a £10m transfer war chest? Is this all 100% official, or what they're hoping for?

Good news for you all if it's all correct! :)


In three months time a new statement something like, funds hope to be in place soon the £10m players fund will be carried over to next season, as most quality players are already signed up to contracts this campaign.

The ground development has just started and the learning centre being the first phase will be finished when the accounts department receive the last grant installment.
Talks for the clubs takeover are still ongoing with vast interest from abroad.

In three months time a new statement something like, funds hope to be in place soon the £10m players fund will be carried over to next season, as most quality players are already signed up to contracts this campaign.

The ground development has just started and the learning centre being the first phase will be finished when the accounts department receive the last grant installment.
Talks for the clubs takeover are still ongoing with vast interest from abroad.

Do you have to be so bitter about Wednesday actually having some fantastic plans, which are going to be started in November

Feel free to laugh if that is said, but by all accounts, these plans have been drawn up and work will commence.

Do you have to be so bitter about Wednesday actually having some fantastic plans, which are going to be started in November

Feel free to laugh if that is said, but by all accounts, these plans have been drawn up and work will commence.

some people are more obsessed with other clubs than their own ... sad but true

Do you have to be so bitter about Wednesday actually having some fantastic plans, which are going to be started in November

Feel free to laugh if that is said, but by all accounts, these plans have been drawn up and work will commence.

I have already stated its great news for Wednesady and the fans, if there is any bitterness its to the many false dawns and the knobs at the top that have created much spin and disappointments in the past.

If it comes off Fantastic. Is that clear enough.

some people are more obsessed with other clubs than their own ... sad but true

I assume you can apply this theory to both Wednesday & United?

I assume you can apply this theory to both Wednesday & United?

certainly can, although sometimes it seems that SUFC fans have a lot of things to say about SWFC!

certainly can, although sometimes it seems that SUFC fans have a lot of things to say about SWFC!

I agree with you on that one. Although on your side are Mr Benn & Titanic. :|

Are you increasing capacity, or just making it shiny?

The bad news is the dulux 5 and their mates have to do it

I agree with you on that one. Although on your side are Mr Benn & Titanic. :|

And the better we are for it having a quality ,honest poster of the calibre of Titanic .

I have already stated its great news for Wednesady and the fans, if there is any bitterness its to the many false dawns and the knobs at the top that have created much spin and disappointments in the past.

If it comes off Fantastic. Is that clear enough.

The people who created all that spin are no longer at the club. They are long gone.

Strafford and Nick Parker need some praising, without them we'd not even be considering doing things like this, we'd still be treading water, if not sinking.

yes they will get 20 mill if england is chosen to host the world cup.

yes they will get 20 mill if england is chosen to host the world cup.

These plans aren't dependent on the World Cup at all. They're going ahead anyway.

Moosey can you answer this question once and for all. What do the investors get for their money? Is there a situation developing where shares are going to be sold? If you can answer it then you will more than likely get the aformentioned investment but if you cant then there is no investment. Nobody invests large amounts of money like that for nothing.

yes they will get 20 mill if england is chosen to host the world cup.

Why is this?

The people who created all that spin are no longer at the club. They are long gone.

Strafford and Nick Parker need some praising, without them we'd not even be considering doing things like this, we'd still be treading water, if not sinking.

I almost agree. but your still treading water, these plans are fantastic and show progress, but they are only plans and any investment is just speculation at the momment. Show the cash , show the planing permissions and i am sure there shall be many more owls showing their relief and praise
its been a long time coming.

The owl i spoke to today had the same attitude "i will believe it when i see it ".

I hope it all works out for you, BUT and i accept its a small "IF" this latest announcement fails, what will your attitude to Strafford then be?

Moosey can you answer this question once and for all. What do the investors get for their money? Is there a situation developing where shares are going to be sold? If you can answer it then you will more than likely get the aformentioned investment but if you cant then there is no investment. Nobody invests large amounts of money like that for nothing.

From what I gather. They invest £10m into the stadium and £10m into the playing squad. (not sure if this is through a rights issue, or if its purely investment).

With the upgrade in stadium, we;ll see higher matchday revenues through the extra corporate boxes etc and also on non-matchdays throgh using the additional office space etc. Investing in the squad is seen to push for promotion where we'll see a windfall of money just on gaining promotion and then through higher attendances and more income through the boxes again. Then they'll see a return on their money, with a profit.

This is what I've grasped from reading about and what Strafford has said.

Fair enough Alty there seems to be avenues for profit.
However this seems not enough for the amounts of cash involved.

I almost agree. but your still treading water, these plans are fantastic and show progress, but they are only plans and any investment is just speculation at the momment. Show the cash , show the planing permissions and i am sure there shall be many more owls showing their relief and praise
its been a long time coming.

The owl i spoke to today had the same attitude "i will believe it when i see it ".

I hope it all works out for you, BUT and i accept its a small "IF" this latest announcement fails, what will your attitude to Strafford then be?

Apparently pre-app meetings have taken place for the development of the West and North and whereby plans have been produced and the council have been positive about them. The Kop's plans haven't been produced yet, but ideas are being developed, hence just mentioning of removing the columns and using an arch to support the roof.

These plans seem too concrete to me and no way would the club talk drivel to the World Cup committee without having solid plans and know of investment coming in.

If this doesn't materialise, then Strafford will have some explaining to do and I think the whole fanbase will question him, but I have every confidence in the man.

Fair enough Alty there seems to be avenues for profit.
However this seems not enough for the amounts of cash involved.

We'd get £50 just through promotion alone

From what I gather. They invest £10m into the stadium and £10m into the playing squad. (not sure if this is through a rights issue, or if its purely investment).

With the upgrade in stadium, we;ll see higher matchday revenues through the extra corporate boxes etc and also on non-matchdays throgh using the additional office space etc. Investing in the squad is seen to push for promotion where we'll see a windfall of money just on gaining promotion and then through higher attendances and more income through the boxes again. Then they'll see a return on their money, with a profit.

This is what I've grasped from reading about and what Strafford has said.

Well best of luck to you if it all goes as planned - i've got a number of owls mates who've almost had the life sucked out of them over the last 10 years with some of the rubbish you've had to put up with, so for them (and a few of you on here), I hope it works out for you (regardless of what it may mean to United in the long run). Alty in particular for their stout defence of all things LS in the face of much criticism and derision from both blades and owls on here!

I always preferred United being the underdog anyway, and when this does happen (whether it's months or years), all of the "we're poor so of course we're not doing well" attitude of some owls fans won't apply anymore - and the club will be under pressure to deliver Premiership football again as a bare minimum.

We'd get £50 just through promotion alone

A full £50? don't spend it all at once :hihi:

We'd get £50 just through promotion alone

i didnt realise the prem had gone so downhill in such a short space of time:hihi:

Well best of luck to you if it all goes as planned - i've got a number of owls mates who've almost had the life sucked out of them over the last 10 years with some of the rubbish you've had to put up with, so for them (and a few of you on here), I hope it works out for you (regardless of what it may mean to United in the long run). Alty in particular for their stout defence of all things LS in the face of much criticism and derision from both blades and owls on here!

I always preferred United being the underdog anyway, and when this does happen (whether it's months or years), all of the "we're poor so of course we're not doing well" attitude of some owls fans won't apply anymore - and the club will be under pressure to deliver Premiership football again as a bare minimum.

yes it will but i cant see utd doing so bad that you wants wouldnt expect anything less and thats how it should be for clubs of our size. if all this stuff doesnt happen then strafford will have alot of explaining to do but until then its all looking good

yes it will but i cant see utd doing so bad that you wants wouldnt expect anything less and thats how it should be for clubs of our size. if all this stuff doesnt happen then strafford will have alot of explaining to do but until then its all looking good

were there any timelines put on any of these announcements (e.g. investment will be in place by x, or the building work will start by y, etc?). I imagine after the previous occasion they missed on an intended deadline (when they were stopped getting investment by someone), they've learnt their lesson and left it a little vague!

were there any timelines put on any of these announcements (e.g. investment will be in place by x, or the building work will start by y, etc?). I imagine after the previous occasion they missed on an intended deadline (when they were stopped getting investment by someone), they've learnt their lesson and left it a little vague!

no deadlines as such. apparently work on the west stand is starting in november so if nothing is happening by end of that month it could start ringing a few alarm bells. i'm just hoping he has learnt from past mistakes and not said anything until its as good as finalised

A full £50? don't spend it all at once :hihi:

:hihi: ooops, knowing Wednesday's luck, that's all we'd get.

Well best of luck to you if it all goes as planned - i've got a number of owls mates who've almost had the life sucked out of them over the last 10 years with some of the rubbish you've had to put up with, so for them (and a few of you on here), I hope it works out for you (regardless of what it may mean to United in the long run). Alty in particular for their stout defence of all things LS in the face of much criticism and derision from both blades and owls on here!

I always preferred United being the underdog anyway, and when this does happen (whether it's months or years), all of the "we're poor so of course we're not doing well" attitude of some owls fans won't apply anymore - and the club will be under pressure to deliver Premiership football again as a bare minimum.


I know there is a problem in Sheffield when one team does well, it kind of hinders the other in terms of support. Even though, I think if this investment comes through, there's no reason why we can't both make it back to the Prem, with two quality stadiums. The Premiership needs a Steel City Derby.

Great news on the improvements at Hillsborough but i get the impression that Sheffield loves having great stadiums over great football teams.

I've read on Owlstalk that there's talk of using Hillsborough park as an extension of the stadium for the world cup matches to host giant screens and pre and post match parties.

Great news on the improvements at Hillsborough but i get the impression that Sheffield loves having great stadiums over great football teams.

I've read on Owlstalk that there's talk of using Hillsborough park as an extension of the stadium for the world cup matches to host giant screens and pre and post match parties.

its ok having a top class stadium ,but if you aint got the team on the pitch doing the job it means nothing

its ok having a top class stadium ,but if you aint got the team on the pitch doing the job it means nothing

And that's where the £10m investment in the squad comes into play, to ensure we gain promotion.

And that's where the £10m investment in the squad comes into play, to ensure we gain promotion.

Agreed -they need to go hand in hand

squad investment and stadium improvements

Great news on the improvements at Hillsborough but i get the impression that Sheffield loves having great stadiums over great football teams.

I've read on Owlstalk that there's talk of using Hillsborough park as an extension of the stadium for the world cup matches to host giant screens and pre and post match parties.

That was said last night and that's why Hillsborough is more likely to get the World Cup nod before the sty.

Both stadia could be developed into World Cup venues with the investment that a successful bid would attract. Only Hillsborough has the space around it for the fans park and car parking areas ie Hillsborough Park and the Tesco land used by Wednesdayite on match days. It's a pity that McBlade built a hotel on their available land.

That was said last night and that's why Hillsborough is more likely to get the World Cup nod before the sty.

Both stadia could be developed into World Cup venues with the investment that a successful bid would attract. Only Hillsborough has the space around it for the fans park and car parking areas ie Hillsborough Park and the Tesco land used by Wednesdayite on match days. It's a pity that McBlade built a hotel on their available land.

According to a poster on Owlstalk, parking isn't an issue, as World Cup rules state, public transport is required and parking should only be allocated for the Countries officials.
I am biased towards Hillsborough, but these plans will surely put Hillsborough in front for any bid. The location is so much better, more space and as mentioned theres so much room for the Fan zone, which has been planned for.

According to a poster on Owlstalk, parking isn't an issue, as World Cup rules state, public transport is required and parking should only be allocated for the Countries officials.
I am biased towards Hillsborough, but these plans will surely put Hillsborough in front for any bid. The location is so much better, more space and as mentioned theres so much room for the Fan zone, which has been planned for.

That was said about car-parking, only VVIP's will be allowed to park at the ground. That said, there must be some reason why the club tidied up the land that's used as the away carpark by Wednesdayite just days before the World Cup delegation arrived at Hillsborough.

Regarding the public transport issue, Hillsborough is on the tram route :thumbsup:

That was said about car-parking, only VVIP's will be allowed to park at the ground. That said, there must be some reason why the club tidied up the land that's used as the away carpark by Wednesdayite just days before the World Cup delegation arrived at Hillsborough.

Regarding the public transport issue, Hillsborough is on the tram route :thumbsup:

This will hopefully give the city council a kick up the backside to sort out the tram gate. Now with National and local policy favouring Public transport as a sustainable means, there's no way they'll get rid of it, so I'd just ban cars outright along Middlewood road from Leppings lane upto the entrance to Morrisons Upper Car Park. Therefore eventually it'll be known as a no through route, whereas at the moment people go turning up and down Bradfield road and Holme Lane to get around the gate, causing more traffic and pollution.

Rant over :D

I'll settle with a nice new Kop, and if establishing ourselves as a Premiership club doing up the South Stand.. Wouldn't want to bring the capacity to over 45k for a handful of World Cup games! 35k capacity and a nice new Kop will do me just fine, **** the World Cup if we are going to have to increase the capacity to 45 k +, not worth it.

That was said about car-parking, only VVIP's will be allowed to park at the ground. That said, there must be some reason why the club tidied up the land that's used as the away carpark by Wednesdayite just days before the World Cup delegation arrived at Hillsborough.

Regarding the public transport issue, Hillsborough is on the tram route :thumbsup:

So is Bramall Lane (the stop at Granville Road is a short walk away from the ground).

If the grounds are of roughly equal size when the decision is made, and Hillsborough has been brought back to life, then they'll definitely pick that over the Lane, having had experience of using the stadium in two large events before... although they could set up fan zones in Norfolk Park or Devonshire Green (and do something at the Peace Gardens) if they did choose the Lane. And as it's only a few minutes on the tram from Hillsborough to the Lane anyway, they could use any of these for either ground!

It'd be just our luck that we'll both build 40 to 50k stadia, and they go give games to Forest and Derby instead! :)

I'll settle with a nice new Kop, and if establishing ourselves as a Premiership club doing up the South Stand.. Wouldn't want to bring the capacity to over 45k for a handful of World Cup games! 35k capacity and a nice new Kop will do me just fine, **** the World Cup if we are going to have to increase the capacity to 45 k +, not worth it.

Spot on - it's not like either club has threatened to get near that very often in recent years (35k), so to have a permanent 45k stadium with no more than around 30k in would kill the atmosphere - you only have to see what's happened at S6 for proof of that.

I'll settle with a nice new Kop, and if establishing ourselves as a Premiership club doing up the South Stand.. Wouldn't want to bring the capacity to over 45k for a handful of World Cup games! 35k capacity and a nice new Kop will do me just fine, **** the World Cup if we are going to have to increase the capacity to 45 k +, not worth it.

if you did the south stand up wouldnt that mean your capacity would be taken up to 44k? i agree its not worth it just for the world cup games, the 37k capacity would be worth it for you guys

That was said last night and that's why Hillsborough is more likely to get the World Cup nod before the sty.

Both stadia could be developed into World Cup venues with the investment that a successful bid would attract. Only Hillsborough has the space around it for the fans park and car parking areas ie Hillsborough Park and the Tesco land used by Wednesdayite on match days. It's a pity that McBlade built a hotel on their available land.

How many teams do you think will bring fans that will drive?

if you did the south stand up wouldnt that mean your capacity would be taken up to 44k? i agree its not worth it just for the world cup games, the 37k capacity would be worth it for you guys

Around 40k, but as i said only if we establish ourselves in the Premiership. The Kop needs doing up and the pillars really could do with being removed.

So is Bramall Lane (the stop at Granville Road is a short walk away from the ground).

If the grounds are of roughly equal size when the decision is made, and Hillsborough has been brought back to life, then they'll definitely pick that over the Lane, having had experience of using the stadium in two large events before... although they could set up fan zones in Norfolk Park or Devonshire Green (and do something at the Peace Gardens) if they did choose the Lane. And as it's only a few minutes on the tram from Hillsborough to the Lane anyway, they could use any of these for either ground!

It'd be just our luck that we'll both build 40 to 50k stadia, and they go give games to Forest and Derby instead! :)

Thats why I see Hillsborough as the better location. As you could still have a fan zone in the City Centre, to spread fans around a bit.

Ideally I'd like both Stadiums to host games, afterall Sheffield is where football started.

Another thing, the council really should set up a Museum in the City centre, dedicated mainly to Sheffield FC and Hallam, but include Wednesday and United in it. It would be great to show fans during the World Cup, but also as an attraction for Sheffield afterwards. It's a joke that Preston have a museum and we don't. I know Wednesday have plans for a museum, but I don't think it be fair if they had things about Sheffield FC, we should have an independant one in the centre.

How many teams do you think will bring fans that will drive?

I think that you will find that the world's media and football's heirarchy will not want to travel on First's peasant wagons, or the tram. Although, by the time that the World Cup comes around, I'm hoping that First has been kicked out by South Yorkshire PTE.

Around 40k, but as i said only if we establish ourselves in the Premiership. The Kop needs doing up and the pillars really could do with being removed.

does just your kop have pillars? both clubs should do all they can to get them removed from the stadiums, would improve both stadiums so much

Is it possible for both stadiums to hold World Cup games?

and yeah, only the Kop has pillars.

does just your kop have pillars? both clubs should do all they can to get them removed from the stadiums, would improve both stadiums so much

They do indeed, but they've got planning permission already to redevelop their Kop.

Is it possible for both stadiums to hold World Cup games?

As well as London, one other city can have two. This will go to Manchester. Liverpool would be the second choice if Everton and liverpoool move grounds. Realistically it's not going to happen, even though I believe Sheffield should be integral to the World Cup. We don't promote ourselves enough in regard to Football, any other city would.

Thats why I see Hillsborough as the better location. As you could still have a fan zone in the City Centre, to spread fans around a bit.

Ideally I'd like both Stadiums to host games, afterall Sheffield is where football started.

Another thing, the council really should set up a Museum in the City centre, dedicated mainly to Sheffield FC and Hallam, but include Wednesday and United in it. It would be great to show fans during the World Cup, but also as an attraction for Sheffield afterwards. It's a joke that Preston have a museum and we don't. I know Wednesday have plans for a museum, but I don't think it be fair if they had things about Sheffield FC, we should have an independant one in the centre.

We've had a museum for quite a while now, perhaps this and an owls one could still work separately, but with a joint 'Sheffield - Birthplace of Soccer' museum, in the millennium gallery perhaps, with a rotation of the items from the club's own museums and the likes of SFC and Hallam.

We've had a museum for quite a while now, perhaps this and an owls one could still work separately, but with a joint 'Sheffield - Birthplace of Soccer' museum, in the millennium gallery perhaps, with a rotation of the items from the club's own museums and the likes of SFC and Hallam.

I'm going to have to give you a slap for saying that :hihi:

I think it would be great to have a permanent Museum in the centre and still have a museum each at Wednesday and United.

yea, i knwo they got the permission already. they do need the kop doing anyway so that should be done but i'd forget about the south until an established prem side. i dont really want us to up our capacity but the pillars need to go and i would love to have the corners filled in, just dont want them to extend the capacity to get world cup games, although we would only need a couple of hundred extra seats so it would be a great expense to do at ours

I'm going to have to give you a slap for saying that :hihi:

I think it would be great to have a permanent Museum in the centre and still have a museum each at Wednesday and United.

yes i'll join you aswell alty:hihi:

I'm going to have to give you a slap for saying that :hihi:

I think it would be great to have a permanent Museum in the centre and still have a museum each at Wednesday and United.

*hangs head in shame* :hihi:

Erm the west stand has pillars too you know!

I think that you will find that the world's media and football's heirarchy will not want to travel on First's peasant wagons, or the tram. Although, by the time that the World Cup comes around, I'm hoping that First has been kicked out by South Yorkshire PTE.

The media will use the taxi service.
Also one thing worth mentioning is that we can accommodate any dignitaries etc in the hotel and youth players facilities.

The media will use the taxi service.
Also one thing worth mentioning is that we can accommodate any dignitaries etc in the hotel and youth players facilities.

im sure LS will have plans to accomodate this, probably in the new Wednesday Village he has planned

I think everyone is getting ahead of them selves on the world cup front !! as much as we all want Sheffield to be represented. Its not been awarded,and neither ground fits the standard required yet.

The Blades may be a little closer to the aim, as already have the planing permissions.

The world cup fans village is an interesting one, Hillsbrough park ideal , United may need to address that.

im sure LS will have plans to accomodate this, probably in the new Wednesday Village he has planned

it all looks very promising -if it comes off

it all looks very promising -if it comes off

'IF' being the operative word, nice to see our club planning for the future and not standing still as we have done in the past few years ... because in football standing still = going backwards

WAWAW

im sure LS will have plans to accomodate this, probably in the new Wednesday Village he has planned

What, Winn Gardens..? :P

What, Winn Gardens..? :P


Middlewood hospital :)

I think everyone is getting ahead of them selves on the world cup front !! as much as we all want Sheffield to be represented. Its not been awarded,and neither ground fits the standard required yet.

The Blades may be a little closer to the aim, as already have the planing permissions.

The world cup fans village is an interesting one, Hillsbrough park ideal , United may need to address that.

I had to laugh, being an old git and having attended 1966 World Cup matches at Hillsborough, I recall the tents in folk's gardens housing supporters. Did this count as a village? :D

I had to laugh, being an old git and having attended 1966 World Cup matches at Hillsborough, I recall the tents in folk's gardens housing supporters. Did this count as a village? :D

I forgot about that a m8 of mine had 2. 1 in the front and 1 in the back

I can't remember who they were but from different countries, he said they used to have parties every night except the night before they played each other, then the totally ignored the other tent

just got back from the match, talked to my boss and asked him what was happening on the ground improvement funds, he told me its all legit, its what they showed the FA delegation when they came to look around the ground.
1) kop to have posts removed and replaced with a wembly like arch to hold the roof.
2) 17 new corperate boxes along the legnth of the north stand, the one nearest away end to be new stadium control.
3) north/west corner to be roofed
4) south/west corner to be built to join the south and away stands
5) north/kop corner to be demolished and rebuilt so kop and north are joined
6) lower west stand to be turned into a learning center with views of the pitch through new windows.
7) upper west stand to have posts removed and be pushed back and another tier of seats added, access to away end will be via a new bridge built across river.
8 ) the gym and owls shop behind north to be demolished and replaced by a 3 storey building incorperating new shop/gym and classrooms.
9) current wednesdayite carpark across pennistone road, wednesday are currently in negotiations with tesco(who own the land) and if succesful a multi storey carpark to be built, on the top floor of this car park a multiplex cinema will be built which can also be used for live beam back matches, a bridge directly from carpark to stadium is included with turnstiles on carpark end.
This is going to be biult in 3 phases and has to be completed by 2012 with work starting in november.
I also asked him where the cash was coming from, all he could tell me was investment is imminent. but on further coaxing he hinted at the americans.

this is what i have been told today, and the this is also what the FA have been told aswell.

sounds good, key word being sounds. why does it have to be completed by 2012? its only 3 years! need to be getting a serious move on if they are having it done by then! lol

just got back from the match, talked to my boss and asked him what was happening on the ground improvement funds, he told me its all legit, its what they showed the FA delegation when they came to look around the ground.
1) kop to have posts removed and replaced with a wembly like arch to hold the roof.
2) 17 new corperate boxes along the legnth of the north stand, the one nearest away end to be new stadium control.
3) north/west corner to be roofed
4) south/west corner to be built to join the south and away stands
5) north/kop corner to be demolished and rebuilt so kop and north are joined
6) lower west stand to be turned into a learning center with views of the pitch through new windows.
7) upper west stand to have posts removed and be pushed back and another tier of seats added, access to away end will be via a new bridge built across river.
8 ) the gym and owls shop behind north to be demolished and replaced by a 3 storey building incorperating new shop/gym and classrooms.
9) current wednesdayite carpark across pennistone road, wednesday are currently in negotiations with tesco(who own the land) and if succesful a multi storey carpark to be built, on the top floor of this car park a multiplex cinema will be built which can also be used for live beam back matches, a bridge directly from carpark to stadium is included with turnstiles on carpark end.
This is going to be biult in 3 phases and has to be completed by 2012 with work starting in november.
I also asked him where the cash was coming from, all he could tell me was investment is imminent. but on further coaxing he hinted at the americans.

this is what i have been told today, and the this is also what the FA have been told aswell.

3 years:huh: surely all that will take longer than 3 years but it sounds great, the ground will look unrecognisable. i didnt think the bolded bit could be done for safety reasons though.

i would think they will leave a gap for the disabled access ,as there is now .
but apart from that i cant see any reason why it couldnt be developed

i would think they will leave a gap for the disabled access ,as there is now .
but apart from that i cant see any reason why it couldnt be developed

yes Mr Benn your correct there will still be vehicle and disabled access through the north/kop corner

just got back from the match, talked to my boss and asked him what was happening on the ground improvement funds, he told me its all legit, its what they showed the FA delegation when they came to look around the ground.
1) kop to have posts removed and replaced with a wembly like arch to hold the roof.
2) 17 new corperate boxes along the legnth of the north stand, the one nearest away end to be new stadium control.
3) north/west corner to be roofed
4) south/west corner to be built to join the south and away stands
5) north/kop corner to be demolished and rebuilt so kop and north are joined
6) lower west stand to be turned into a learning center with views of the pitch through new windows.
7) upper west stand to have posts removed and be pushed back and another tier of seats added, access to away end will be via a new bridge built across river.
8 ) the gym and owls shop behind north to be demolished and replaced by a 3 storey building incorperating new shop/gym and classrooms.
9) current wednesdayite carpark across pennistone road, wednesday are currently in negotiations with tesco(who own the land) and if succesful a multi storey carpark to be built, on the top floor of this car park a multiplex cinema will be built which can also be used for live beam back matches, a bridge directly from carpark to stadium is included with turnstiles on carpark end.
This is going to be biult in 3 phases and has to be completed by 2012 with work starting in november.
I also asked him where the cash was coming from, all he could tell me was investment is imminent. but on further coaxing he hinted at the americans.

this is what i have been told today, and the this is also what the FA have been told aswell.

point 9 sounds pretty far fetched and expensive! And as for the beamback idea, it'd have to have a lot of screens/seats...!

Did they mention in all this positivity anything about the debt also being paid off with this investment? If I was an investor, I wouldn't be too happy to see such much spent on these things, while the club refused to pay what they owe me?

no mate nothing was mentioned about the debt, im assuming because all the improvements are for the worldcup bid.

just got back from the match, talked to my boss and asked him what was happening on the ground improvement funds, he told me its all legit, its what they showed the FA delegation when they came to look around the ground.
1) kop to have posts removed and replaced with a wembly like arch to hold the roof.
2) 17 new corperate boxes along the legnth of the north stand, the one nearest away end to be new stadium control.
3) north/west corner to be roofed
4) south/west corner to be built to join the south and away stands
5) north/kop corner to be demolished and rebuilt so kop and north are joined
6) lower west stand to be turned into a learning center with views of the pitch through new windows.
7) upper west stand to have posts removed and be pushed back and another tier of seats added, access to away end will be via a new bridge built across river.
8 ) the gym and owls shop behind north to be demolished and replaced by a 3 storey building incorperating new shop/gym and classrooms.
9) current wednesdayite carpark across pennistone road, wednesday are currently in negotiations with tesco(who own the land) and if succesful a multi storey carpark to be built, on the top floor of this car park a multiplex cinema will be built which can also be used for live beam back matches, a bridge directly from carpark to stadium is included with turnstiles on carpark end.
This is going to be biult in 3 phases and has to be completed by 2012 with work starting in november.
I also asked him where the cash was coming from, all he could tell me was investment is imminent. but on further coaxing he hinted at the americans.

this is what i have been told today, and the this is also what the FA have been told aswell.

This list looks like John Rutherford's wish list that he talked about at the Wednesdayite AGM. All the points were mentioned without, as far as I remember, a timescale.

He said that work on the West Stand learning centre could start in November and the 4 storey building behind the North Stand would be after that. He said the cost of those 2 projects was about £10m, paid for from the "imminent" £20m investment.

No mention of debt that I can recall.

This list looks like John Rutherford's wish list that he talked about at the Wednesdayite AGM. All the points were mentioned without, as far as I remember, a timescale.

He said that work on the West Stand learning centre could start in November and the 4 storey building behind the North Stand would be after that. He said the cost of those 2 projects was about £10m, paid for from the "imminent" £20m investment.

No mention of debt that I can recall.

like ive said thats what i was told by my boss and he said that is what was told to FA delegation and then passed on to wednesdayite AGM

point 9 sounds pretty far fetched and expensive! And as for the beamback idea, it'd have to have a lot of screens/seats...!

Did they mention in all this positivity anything about the debt also being paid off with this investment? If I was an investor, I wouldn't be too happy to see such much spent on these things, while the club refused to pay what they owe me?

to be honest ,,it sounds like this is part of the business plan that the Bank agreed to earlier this year,but a certain other creditor didnt.

As long as we keep the bank happy i aint too bothered about what the other creditor thinks -he`s only a minor player in this.

point 9 sounds pretty far fetched and expensive! And as for the beamback idea,
thats probably part of john rutherfords wish list if all things fall into place

I know Utd already have one but there are plenty of hotels springing up in the center of sheff so thats not a big advantage for the blades, i'd have thought a top class hotel right there on the premesis of hillsborough would give them a hand in the world cup decision

cause it wouldnt . Having a hotel near the centre of sheffield is a advantage

The thing puzzling me about this supposed investment is why would somebody putting a huge sum of money into the club be happy to see the bulk of it going on the ground in the first instance?

Personally I'd rather spend the majority on the team, get us into the Prem, and use the serious cash from that to go on improving the stadium.

The thing puzzling me about this supposed investment is why would somebody putting a huge sum of money into the club be happy to see the bulk of it going on the ground in the first instance?

Personally I'd rather spend the majority on the team, get us into the Prem, and use the serious cash from that to go on improving the stadium.


well for a couple of reasons, the main one is the investment is coming from the states. over there the stadiums arent just for sport, ie where the learning centres etc come in to it. here we tend to go to the games and come out, over there its about the day out as in been at the stadium early, food, drinks etc etc.

on top of that the stadium is getting on now and really needs cash spending on it, then there is the world cup bid, as it stands its not got a chance

well for a couple of reasons, the main one is the investment is coming from the states. over there the stadiums arent just for sport, ie where the learning centres etc come in to it. here we tend to go to the games and come out, over there its about the day out as in been at the stadium early, food, drinks etc etc.

on top of that the stadium is getting on now and really needs cash spending on it, then there is the world cup bid, as it stands its not got a chance

Yeah, I understand that, what I'm saying is I'd rather we ensured Premiership football with some general improvements to the ground and then did the main revamp of the stadium, rather than spend practically all the investment on the ground and still have a Championship team playing on it.

A couple of seasons in the Premiership will bring in far more cash than this investment will.

As for the American tradition of spending the day at the stadium, that's just not going to happen over here, it's just not in our culture, no matter how nice the ground is.

but thats what the money is for, some of it will be coming through grants which are aimed at the local community, its not someone saying here you go 20mil off you go.

the fact that we will be geeting around 8-10 mil for the squad will be plenty to secure promotion (you would hope) if you go back through the bits and pieces strafford has put about about the meetings over in the states they have always raised concerns about the stadium and what the call the " game experience"

The thing puzzling me about this supposed investment is why would somebody putting a huge sum of money into the club be happy to see the bulk of it going on the ground in the first instance?

Personally I'd rather spend the majority on the team, get us into the Prem, and use the serious cash from that to go on improving the stadium.

Unless most of the proposed investment is from grants!, Education gants etc also is one of the stands a listed building? english heritage grants, the F.A donate a grant to new improvements too. That must make up towards a few £M to the £10m suggested.

A business investment would prioritise investment in terms of debt, football and then stadia. In my humble opinion. If a serious long term investor is close, would the £20million be enough to improve the status at S6? In real terms its not a lot, in ratio to the clubs debt.

No i am not having a dig!! its just being practical.

cause it wouldnt . Having a hotel near the centre of sheffield is a advantage

along with all the other 10 - 15 hotels where they could stay, having one at hillsborough would save the commute from the center

there will be more info in the star this week

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Spotted Lee Stafford in B&Q buying a few more tins of paint

Unless most of the proposed investment is from grants!, Education gants etc also is one of the stands a listed building? english heritage grants, the F.A donate a grant to new improvements too. That must make up towards a few £M to the £10m suggested.

A business investment would prioritise investment in terms of debt, football and then stadia. In my humble opinion. If a serious long term investor is close, would the £20million be enough to improve the status at S6? In real terms its not a lot, in ratio to the clubs debt.

No i am not having a dig!! its just being practical.

I'd not really considered the grant aspect, your points make sense of some things that I have heard.

The North Stand is listed, I'm not sure if heritage grants would be applicable tho'.

I'd not really considered the grant aspect, your points make sense of some things that I have heard.

The North Stand is listed, I'm not sure if heritage grants would be applicable tho'.

If Park Hill, can get funding, The North Stand has a chance.:) unfortunatly
Keppels Column and Thorpe Salvin hall have no chance:(

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Spotted Lee Stafford in B&Q buying a few more tins of paint

daftlad by name,daftlad by nature:loopy:

daftlad by name,daftlad by nature:loopy:

you can tell its school holidays cant you

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Spotted Lee Stafford in B&Q buying a few more tins of paint

As I Blade I found the painting the ground episode mildly amusing. But this joke is getting old, 'variety is the spice of life' and all that malarkey"

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Spotted Lee Stafford in B&Q buying a few more tins of paint

That's proved you people wrong who say that he's not putting any of his own money in ;)

daftlad by name,daftlad by nature:loopy:

meant as a joke but I am sorry if your sense of humour by pass found it not funny

I've read some tripe on this board but this thread takes the biscuit.

I've read some tripe on this board but this thread takes the biscuit.

and whys that? arent positive threads about what wednesday are going to do allowed:confused:

and whys that? arent positive threads about what wednesday are going to do allowed:confused:

Positive threads are more than welcome but 50k seater stadiums, Wednesday Village, no site cinema's screening away matches, learning centres, hotels and £10m invested in the playing squad.......i thought it was a wind up, one Wendesday fan trying to out do the next with daft idea's - funny none of this has made the press, its all man in the pub talk at the moment.

Positive threads are more than welcome but 50k seater stadiums, Wednesday Village, no site cinema's screening away matches, learning centres, hotels and £10m invested in the playing squad.......i thought it was a wind up, one Wendesday fan trying to out do the next with daft idea's - funny none of this has made the press, its all man in the pub talk at the moment.

todays sheffield star fella page 39 :P http://www.thestar.co.uk/owls/Laws-backs-city-bid-for.5523705.jp

Does anyone know anymore about this?

Does anyone know anymore about this?

yeah 1st of July i've heard :hihi:

Im sorry to be a sceptic but does any wednesday fans belive this will happen in the real world?

A multi-story car park with a cinema on-top and a bridge to hillsborough over penistone road from it??? Oh come on- somes pulling your plonker.


If strafford was confident about getting a new investor in and there was going to be 20 million invested in the playing squad imminently then he would be crowing it from the rooftops.

Failed attempt at creating a 'buzz' to sell more season tickets in my opinion.

Positive threads are more than welcome but 50k seater stadiums, Wednesday Village, no site cinema's screening away matches, learning centres, hotels and £10m invested in the playing squad.......i thought it was a wind up, one Wendesday fan trying to out do the next with daft idea's - funny none of this has made the press, its all man in the pub talk at the moment.

Capacity to 45k, a museum, learning centre, extending lep and North concourses, removal of columns and infilling the North/Kop corner are planned for. Very much doubt the cinema though

Im sorry to be a sceptic but does any wednesday fans belive this will happen in the real world?

A multi-story car park with a cinema on-top and a bridge to hillsborough over penistone road from it??? Oh come on- somes pulling your plonker.


If strafford was confident about getting a new investor in and there was going to be 20 million invested in the playing squad imminently then he would be crowing it from the rooftops.

Failed attempt at creating a 'buzz' to sell more season tickets in my opinion.

Mate, I more than anyone am very firmly on the side of 'ill believe it when I see it' but (like Fox Mulder in All Creatures Great & Small)...i want to believe! :hihi:

Capacity to 45k, a museum, learning centre, extending lep and North concourses, removal of columns and infilling the North/Kop corner are planned for. Very much doubt the cinema though

I'm just looking forward to seeing the new paint job! ;)

Im sorry to be a sceptic but does any wednesday fans belive this will happen in the real world?

A multi-story car park with a cinema on-top and a bridge to hillsborough over penistone road from it??? Oh come on- somes pulling your plonker.

If strafford was confident about getting a new investor in and there was going to be 20 million invested in the playing squad imminently then he would be crowing it from the rooftops.

Failed attempt at creating a 'buzz' to sell more season tickets in my opinion.

PULLING WHAT ? :o "its a family forum and its not hard to work out what your saying". :)

PULLING WHAT ? :o "its a family forum and its not hard to work out what your saying". :)

don't start ;)

Mate, I more than anyone am very firmly on the side of 'ill believe it when I see it' but (like Fox Mulder in All Creatures Great & Small)...i want to believe! :hihi:

Oh im sure you do bud, most of us football fans are (lemmings anyone)- but some of them seem to be a little . . how can i put this. .. far fetched, even for me?

I'm Wednesday through and through, but is this on a scaled model on someone's desk, or on the real actual ground?
The real actual ground?
Yeah.
Wotevvor! :)

if it happens ,great ,if not we`ll keep plodding on as always

Capacity to 45k, a museum, learning centre, extending lep and North concourses, removal of columns and infilling the North/Kop corner are planned for. Very much doubt the cinema though

Everyone seems to forget about planning permission

No bridge without planning permission
No cinema without planning permission
No museum without planning permission
No demolishing Shop and Ticket office and Building new ones without planning permission(I think its right about this but not 100%)

Everything hinges on getting PP

I have not herd anything about applying for it according to some posters on here it's due to start end of next month
I don't think anyone could apply and get Planning permission in a few months

Yeah- to do anything major like there talking about would need at least a year to go through the council- like we have with the kop.

Everyone seems to forget about planning permission

No bridge without planning permission
No cinema without planning permission
No museum without planning permission
No demolishing Shop and Ticket office and Building new ones without planning permission(I think its right about this but not 100%)

Everything hinges on getting PP

I have not herd anything about applying for it according to some posters on here it's due to start end of next month
I don't think anyone could apply and get Planning permission in a few months

They've had pre-app meetings and got very good responses from a Planning Officer at the City Council.
Planning is a very complex issue (I know, I study the damn thing :D), but with the community aspects to the development, the national policy and LDF's policy should pretty much make the process straight forward (though is that ever the case with Planning?:D). I'm not sure, but the only issue would be developing the North West corner any higher as it could/would block light into the houses behind.
I'm still studying Planning and don't know all the facts about the development, but I see no serious issues from what I know of the development.

The club must have had such good responses from their Planning Consultant and the City council's Planning Officer to suggest development could begin in November.

They've had pre-app meetings and got very good responses from a Planning Officer at the City Council.
Planning is a very complex issue (I know, I study the damn thing :D), but with the community aspects to the development, the national policy and LDF's policy should pretty much make the process straight forward (though is that ever the case with Planning?:D). I'm not sure, but the only issue would be developing the North West corner any higher as it could/would block light into the houses behind.
I'm still studying Planning and don't know all the facts about the development, but I see no serious issues from what I know of the development.

The club must have had such good responses from their Planning Consultant and the City council's Planning Officer to suggest development could begin in November.

But (and you will probably know better than me) Don't people who want to make 'major' changes like at Hillsborough have to have a period where people can say yes or no to the plans put forth (I know they did at the Lane) if enough people say no then they have to alter and reissue the plans?

Positive threads are more than welcome but 50k seater stadiums, Wednesday Village, no site cinema's screening away matches, learning centres, hotels and £10m invested in the playing squad.......i thought it was a wind up, one Wendesday fan trying to out do the next with daft idea's - funny none of this has made the press, its all man in the pub talk at the moment.

i will believe any of it when it happens, especially the cinema an bridge but the rest seems plausable if we get investment, no one knows yet how far along that is, not even you stockers;)
as for it not being in the press, all the sheard takeover was in the press and if we believed that we would be £250 million better off and soon to be in champions league:o
it was a bit more than man talk in the pub though, seems abit more reliable than that but we'll see

we just need to carry on as we are ,and if anything comes of this thats a bonus.

what we must not do is set ourselves up for a fall ,if nothing happens .
leats concentrate on beating Barnsley on saturday ,and a good start to the season.
Yes ,Hillsbro does need developing ,but after so many let downs in the past concerning takeovers ,im keeping my powder dry for now

But (and you will probably know better than me) Don't people who want to make 'major' changes like at Hillsborough have to have a period where people can say yes or no to the plans put forth (I know they did at the Lane) if enough people say no then they have to alter and reissue the plans?

They do yes, but that applies with all development. All locals will recieve notification and will have a certain time frame in which to respond. But in all seriousness, might be the pessimist in me, but local opinions rarely come to light unless its a major issue, in the end it's councillors decisions on a large scheme like Hillsborough and due to the community aspect and the fact it's part of a World Cup bid there won't be any issue imo. I couldn't give you a time-frame in which the club could gain planing permission but they must have sought good advice and be pretty confident. They could whack a planning application in and start building in november and just hope they get the permission, but that would be a risk, as if its rejected all work would have to be demolished.

edit: sounded like I contradicted myself saying local opinions aren't considered, but due to the community aspect there'll be no issue - in this I meant community as in the wider community and city will benefit from the new development, hence why a few complaints from the odd local won't really come to light.

plus if the plans for united ground are already passed, then the hillsborough plans will have an excellent chance of passing seeing as the world cup bid is being fully backed by the council aswell

plus if the plans for united ground are already passed, then the hillsborough plans will have an excellent chance of passing seeing as the world cup bid is being fully backed by the council aswell

The only thing is, I think a lot of the councillors are Blades :hihi:

did i miss the memo saying your a mod alty:huh: when did that happen

did i miss the memo saying your a mod alty:huh: when did that happen

Almost as many Mods as Benn has posts :o:o

Almost as many Mods as Benn has posts :o:o

we need them on here -there a welcome sight
they do a great job

did i miss the memo saying your a mod alty:huh: when did that happen

Only a couple of weeks now, I didn't realise for the first few days :D

Only a couple of weeks now, I didn't realise for the first few days :D

hoe does the promotion feel :D

Only a couple of weeks now, I didn't realise for the first few days :D

thought you was messing when you said you was closing that other thread, until i noticed you actually did close it. they must be struggling to find mods so just springing it onto people now if you didnt even realise you are one:hihi:
yea your prob right CB:hihi:

hoe does the promotion feel :D

you calling a mod a "hoe" slander that is :love:

The only thing is, I think a lot of the councillors are Blades :hihi:

Excuses at the ready ! eh:)

Im sorry to be a sceptic but does any wednesday fans belive this will happen in the real world?

A multi-story car park with a cinema on-top and a bridge to hillsborough over penistone road from it??? Oh come on- somes pulling your plonker.


If strafford was confident about getting a new investor in and there was going to be 20 million invested in the playing squad imminently then he would be crowing it from the rooftops.

Failed attempt at creating a 'buzz' to sell more season tickets in my opinion.

Nail on the head. :hihi: he's good at what he says, but upto now NO ACTION

still happening 1st of JULY i've heard

But (and you will probably know better than me) Don't people who want to make 'major' changes like at Hillsborough have to have a period where people can say yes or no to the plans put forth (I know they did at the Lane) if enough people say no then they have to alter and reissue the plans?


again spot on!!! it's taken about 2 years from start to getting final permission from the city council for the kop. then possibly strat next season, so that's 3 years.

This theard is SOOOOOOOOOO funny, why do they keep doing this to themselves week in week out? 1 word strafford :hihi::hihi::hihi:

:help::help::huh:

I think due to tubulant times down at Hillsborough the Wednesday fans are happy to believe anything, a few little snippets over the years included; Training ground sale and money put into the squad (£15m); Ken Bates takeover, hotels, Wednesday Village (again!!); Geoff Sheard (1st March, Mid April, 1st July) £250m takeover with £50m per season invested in the playing squad; Doctors in the exective boxes (takeover by Tar tar Steel) unlimited investment in the squad; the next installment is this little gem......i know the hotel cost McCabe £17m to develop from start to finish, Wednesday fans are talking about a multi million pound development in an area that was under 20 foot of water 2yrs ago....on top of this no investment has been forthcoming, we're in the middle of one of the worst global recessions since the 1920's, in this time Man city have been taken over by the mega rich from the Middle East and clubs like Southampton and Notts County have been seen as better investments than Wednesday.

All of the above is factual information, i'm not trying to put the mockers on Wednesday i'm just trying to bring one or two of you (who we now from past experience tend to get a little over excited) back down to earth.

Like somebody said before I'll believe it when I see it.

However, the difference with this and the other stories is that they were almost all paper talk and rumour, whereas these stadium plans have been presented by the club itself.

I don't know about planning permission, but people are assuming that it hasn't been submitted yet, who's to say that it hasn't?

I think due to tubulant times down at Hillsborough the Wednesday fans are happy to believe anything, a few little snippets over the years included; Training ground sale and money put into the squad (£15m); Ken Bates takeover, hotels, Wednesday Village (again!!); Geoff Sheard (1st March, Mid April, 1st July) £250m takeover with £50m per season invested in the playing squad; Doctors in the exective boxes (takeover by Tar tar Steel) unlimited investment in the squad; the next installment is this little gem......i know the hotel cost McCabe £17m to develop from start to finish, Wednesday fans are talking about a multi million pound development in an area that was under 20 foot of water 2yrs ago....on top of this no investment has been forthcoming, we're in the middle of one of the worst global recessions since the 1920's, in this time Man city have been taken over by the mega rich from the Middle East and clubs like Southampton and Notts County have been seen as better investments than Wednesday.

All of the above is factual information, i'm not trying to put the mockers on Wednesday i'm just trying to bring one or two of you (who we now from past experience tend to get a little over excited) back down to earth.

i see your points in the rest of your post but have you not read that the investment for our development is coming mainly from government grants? well done for spending £17m on a hotel! we'll be developing most of our ground for next to nothing!

This theard is SOOOOOOOOOO funny, why do they keep doing this to themselves week in week out? 1 word strafford :hihi::hihi::hihi:

:help::help::huh:

not as funny as your 88 point "THEARD"

should i put the kettle on ?:help:

The US investment market was left reeling yesterday as a LONDON investor beat the American heavyweights in the battle for Sheffield Wednesday. The un-named investor, from the Peckham area of London was said to by overjoyed at his acquisition, in a telephone conversation with the mystery money man he was obviously delighted “Au revoir Roger! Au revoir! This deal is lovely-jubbly, I was off down the Moor in Sheffield, selling some fire damaged wok’s when this geezer asked if had any cheap paint brushes. Well just my luck they’re down in the lock-up in Peckham. So, we gets to talking and it turns out he’s in the football game.”

“Well football’s in my blood, Gareth Edwards, Bill Beaumont, Ellery Hanley, I’ve watched ‘em all on telly. Now it turns out he’s looking for a bit of a financial injection, and it just so happens that I’m a bit flush at the mo’ so I made him an offer”

I pressed the investor for more details of the offer but he refused to elaborate, saying that only his “director of finance, Rodney, has the full picture, all I can say is that it involves the ‘Driscoll Brothers’ also”.

We contacted the club to try and obtain further detail on the deal, but they would only confirm that, at this stage, they have received interest from a multi-national agency, with offices in New York, Paris and Peckham, and that talks were on going.

It is believed that a possible tie-in with the proposed deal would be the supply of several thousand self-inflating dolls, to fill the vacant seats at the stadium, left by disappointing season ticket sales. An insider at the club commented that “the club, the chairman and its fans are full of hot air, so the dolls should fit right in”.

This news follows the collapse of the joint bid by Fed-Ex and UPS (Fed-UP) to take over the club, as the chairman said they simply could not deliver.

The investment news comes as a welcome boost to Sheffield Wednesday’s hopes to host games during the 2010 World Cup “Subbuteo is a global brand, and we at Hillsborough would be proud to be associated with it” a club spokesman said.


spotted on the bbc site earlier

i see your points in the rest of your post but have you not read that the investment for our development is coming mainly from government grants? well done for spending £17m on a hotel! we'll be developing most of our ground for next to nothing!

a ground with a hotel is worth a lot more than a ground without 1

not as funny as your 88 point "THEARD"

should i put the kettle on ?:help:

and how many points were we off that? not many, if we'd have beaten SWFc we'd have beaten it.

DONT Worry, i'm going to put another 1 on just for you!, 90 Points this year :-) o and the championship :-) :hihi:

awesome :lol:

The US investment market was left reeling yesterday as a LONDON investor beat the American heavyweights in the battle for Sheffield Wednesday. The un-named investor, from the Peckham area of London was said to by overjoyed at his acquisition, in a telephone conversation with the mystery money man he was obviously delighted “Au revoir Roger! Au revoir! This deal is lovely-jubbly, I was off down the Moor in Sheffield, selling some fire damaged wok’s when this geezer asked if had any cheap paint brushes. Well just my luck they’re down in the lock-up in Peckham. So, we gets to talking and it turns out he’s in the football game.”

“Well football’s in my blood, Gareth Edwards, Bill Beaumont, Ellery Hanley, I’ve watched ‘em all on telly. Now it turns out he’s looking for a bit of a financial injection, and it just so happens that I’m a bit flush at the mo’ so I made him an offer”

I pressed the investor for more details of the offer but he refused to elaborate, saying that only his “director of finance, Rodney, has the full picture, all I can say is that it involves the ‘Driscoll Brothers’ also”.

We contacted the club to try and obtain further detail on the deal, but they would only confirm that, at this stage, they have received interest from a multi-national agency, with offices in New York, Paris and Peckham, and that talks were on going.

It is believed that a possible tie-in with the proposed deal would be the supply of several thousand self-inflating dolls, to fill the vacant seats at the stadium, left by disappointing season ticket sales. An insider at the club commented that “the club, the chairman and its fans are full of hot air, so the dolls should fit right in”.

This news follows the collapse of the joint bid by Fed-Ex and UPS (Fed-UP) to take over the club, as the chairman said they simply could not deliver.

The investment news comes as a welcome boost to Sheffield Wednesday’s hopes to host games during the 2010 World Cup “Subbuteo is a global brand, and we at Hillsborough would be proud to be associated with it” a club spokesman said.


spotted on the bbc site earlier

haha it's Dell Boy & Rodney, 1st July

Like somebody said before I'll believe it when I see it.

However, the difference with this and the other stories is that they were almost all paper talk and rumour, whereas these stadium plans have been presented by the club itself.

I don't know about planning permission, but people are assuming that it hasn't been submitted yet, who's to say that it hasn't?

It would be published on the city council's website.

There's only one recent thing on there which I'm not sure what it is. It does say learning something or other, but I can't access the documents in it.

This theard is SOOOOOOOOOO funny, why do they keep doing this to themselves week in week out? 1 word strafford

:help::help::huh:

from the man who has just started a thread predicting the blades will get 90 points this season :hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi:

http://planning.sheffield.gov.uk/publicaccess/propdb/property/property_detailview.aspx?module=P3&keyval=IUBH31NY60000&propno=010013333907

Thats a study centre at Wednesday, but there's no relevant documents such as the Planning App, design statement etc

a ground with a hotel is worth a lot more than a ground without 1

yes it is but i fail to see the relevance of your statement

The Blades submitted their planning application for the South Stand re-development to the council yesterday. It will probably take the best part of 4 or 5 months to get before the planning board for approval. Seeing as the Owls haven't even submitted their scheme yet, it kinda pours cold water on their November start rumours - unless it's something minor like a re-paint or similar...

..we'll be developing most of our ground for next to nothing!

Aye, It's amazing the amount of painting 5 people can do for just the cost of a few friendly tickets. Well done that club...

The Blades submitted their planning application for the South Stand re-development to the council yesterday. It will probably take the best part of 4 or 5 months to get before the planning board for approval. Seeing as the Owls haven't even submitted their scheme yet, it kinda pours cold water on their November start rumours - unless it's something minor like a re-paint or similar...

In theory Wednesday could start in November. As there's a void between the two tiers which is going to be redeveloped into executive boxes and some study room. This phase could be started first, with an application put in for the museum and north stand in the next few weeks.

Aye, It's amazing the amount of painting 5 people can do for just the cost of a few friendly tickets. Well done that club...

thanks, i was one of the people that helped out my club

In theory Wednesday could start in November. As there's a void between the two tiers which is going to be redeveloped into executive boxes and some study room. This phase could be started first, with an application put in for the museum and north stand in the next few weeks.

eerr NO THEY CANT

eerr NO THEY CANT

You can start any development, and hope you get permission. Though if you don't you, you'll have to pull it down. With the void being within the structure already at Hillsborough, theres no issue, as it'll have no affect on access, traffic or changing the footprint of the bulding, so in theory they could start. It's new build and exterior facing which will need the planning permission.

i see your points in the rest of your post but have you not read that the investment for our development is coming mainly from government grants? well done for spending £17m on a hotel! we'll be developing most of our ground for next to nothing!

sorry i didn't realise the government handed out tax payers money to refurbish depleated football grounds.

More pie in the sky my friend, hopeful ideas from Strafford, doing a football ground up for free doesn't wash - i'll bet come 2018 Hillsbrough is pretty much in the same state as it is now!!!

sorry i didn't realise the government handed out tax payers money to refurbish depleated football grounds.

More pie in the sky my friend, hopeful ideas from Strafford, doing a football ground up for free doesn't wash - i'll bet come 2018 Hillsbrough is pretty much in the same state as it is now!!!

Didn't this happen for the 1966 world cup?

Didn't this happen for the 1966 world cup?

That was the FA's money!!

That was the FA's money!!

Yep stockers your right.
The point I was making was there were grants about.
However they wont get dished out until the FA know the grounds to be used.

Yep stockers your right.
The point I was making was there were grants about.
However they wont get dished out until the FA know the grounds to be used.

Or if the UK will even get the 2018, knowing Sepp it'll go to some far flung country in South East Asia!!

sorry i didn't realise the government handed out tax payers money to refurbish depleated football grounds.

More pie in the sky my friend, hopeful ideas from Strafford, doing a football ground up for free doesn't wash - i'll bet come 2018 Hillsbrough is pretty much in the same state as it is now!!!

The only grants we could be recieving will be for the community aspects to the development i.e the learning centre. Such things as re-roofing, extending the concourse, museum and new executive boxes will all have to be paid by Wednesday without the aid of grants.

The only grants we could be recieving will be for the community aspects to the development i.e the learning centre. Such things as re-roofing, extending the concourse, museum and new executive boxes will all have to be paid by Wednesday without the aid of grants.

Looks like having to go without a roof then Alty.
Museum will be no problem though.

from the man who has just started a thread predicting the blades will get 90 points this season :hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi:


i'll take a BOW thank you, but this is just from me, NOT EVERY SWFC FAN ON HERE

yes it is but i fail to see the relevance of your statement

surely that's your problem then, other people see what i mean

You can start any development, and hope you get permission. Though if you don't you, you'll have to pull it down. With the void being within the structure already at Hillsborough, theres no issue, as it'll have no affect on access, traffic or changing the footprint of the bulding, so in theory they could start. It's new build and exterior facing which will need the planning permission.

really ??? would SWFC actually do this, i think not

the november start, could be the ground work I.E planning requests and the like and minor things which dont need planning permission

really ??? would SWFC actually do this, i think not

They wouldn't, I was responding to your 'no they can't'. The void could be developed though, as its part of the existing structure. They could renovate this whilst waiting for planning permission for developing and extending the rest of the stadium, which as previously mentioned really won't be hard to gain. The community aspects essentially make it impossible to turn down, as it will strongly be backed by national policies and those in the emerging Local Development Framework and UDP. Though I don't know the ins and outs of the plans, the only issue would be developing the north-west corner any higher, as it might block light to the housing behind. Traffic won't be affected by the development and access will arguably be improved. The plans have a positive impact on the wider community of sheffield.

They wouldn't, I was responding to your 'no they can't'. The void could be developed though, as its part of the existing structure. They could renovate this whilst waiting for planning permission for developing and extending the rest of the stadium, which as previously mentioned really won't be hard to gain. The community aspects essentially make it impossible to turn down, as it will strongly be backed by national policies and those in the emerging Local Development Framework and UDP. Though I don't know the ins and outs of the plans, the only issue would be developing the north-west corner any higher, as it might block light to the housing behind. Traffic won't be affected by the development and access will arguably be improved. The plans have a positive impact on the wider community of sheffield.

not going to be higher matey, its going get a roof put on it.

not going to be higher matey, its going get a roof put on it.

There you go, Planning Permission done and dusted then :D

thanks, i was one of the people that helped out my club

Just think though, you could be famous in the future - imagine Question of Sport..."Can you name any of the Dulux Five?", and we'll all be shouting "Scoobydotcom!" :)


Have you been signed up for this new development work yet then? You might get a free season ticket if you help build the new Kop Arch...

Seriously though, good on yer, no-one can question your commitment to your club :)

Just think though, you could be famous in the future - imagine Question of Sport..."Can you name any of the Dulux Five?", and we'll all be shouting "Scoobydotcom!" :)


:)


:hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi:,wonder if Shaggy was with him?

not going to be higher matey, its going get a roof put on it.

the stand and seats are already there ,so ,like you say its only a matter of roofing it and joining it th the north and west stand roofs

They wouldn't, I was responding to your 'no they can't'. The void could be developed though, as its part of the existing structure. They could renovate this whilst waiting for planning permission for developing and extending the rest of the stadium, which as previously mentioned really won't be hard to gain. The community aspects essentially make it impossible to turn down, as it will strongly be backed by national policies and those in the emerging Local Development Framework and UDP. Though I don't know the ins and outs of the plans, the only issue would be developing the north-west corner any higher, as it might block light to the housing behind. Traffic won't be affected by the development and access will arguably be improved. The plans have a positive impact on the wider community of sheffield.

Sorry, I don't wish to be argumentative Alty but where exactly will the stadium development (ie - just stadium, NOT youth club, village, drop-in centre or anything else) be backed, or even tie in with the current UDP, or even the Sheffield Development Framework whenever that is adopted? I'm not arguing the toss, I'm just interested to hear your slant on what you posted.

thanks, i was one of the people that helped out my club

If that's true, then I take my hat off to you - really.

After all of the crowing from your S6 compadres about community spirit etc and then only 5 can be @r5ed to turn up to help the club out. They should give you a box between you to show their appreciation.

Like I said, if it's true - and I have no reason to doubt you - then you have my respect.

not going to be higher matey, its going get a roof put on it.

But correct me if I'm wrong wont Putting a roof on it make it higher?

Sorry, I don't wish to be argumentative Alty but where exactly will the stadium development (ie - just stadium, NOT youth club, village, drop-in centre or anything else) be backed, or even tie in with the current UDP, or even the Sheffield Development Framework whenever that is adopted? I'm not arguing the toss, I'm just interested to hear your slant on what you posted.

The actual stadium development won't really have any issue with the LDF or UDP , I just meant the community aspect will be supported by the policies. It's already an allocated mixed-use site and any development should be straight forward unless it hindered the environment, traffic, access or surrounding buildings, which I very much doubt it would, in fact they'd all be improved, bar traffic.

and how many points were we off that? not many, if we'd have beaten SWFc we'd have beaten it.

DONT Worry, i'm going to put another 1 on just for you!, 90 Points this year :-) o and the championship :-) :hihi:

flattered sir thank you
is that a no to a brew then ?


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