Do the majority of women prefer dance music to any other kind of music? From the small number of women I talk to they seem to. I just don't get dance music.

i like all types of music from pop,dance rock and rnb etc.

Perhaps you posess 'talking to the wrong women magnets'?

I'm sure if you asked in Corp, The Nelson, Cha Chas, Dove & Rainbow etc, you'd be hard pushed to find a woman that said they did like dance music!

Its hard to speak in heavy rock/inide clubs, plus which they are for the extremist girls who embrace the rock lifestyle just a bit too much. Actually, I've only been in the Corportation so I cant comment on the others.

women like dancing. Woman like to dance a lot more than men. Therefore, women prefer dance music (and it also gives them a chance to show of their expensive clothing ;) )

Women like to dance!

I like most forms of music (dance music included) but don't like stuff that I can't dance and sing along to.

Which pretty much rules out anything by Dido, Coldplay or Marylin Manson!

Originally posted by Jozafeen
Perhaps you posess 'talking to the wrong women magnets'?

I'm sure if you asked in Corp, The Nelson, Cha Chas, Dove & Rainbow etc, you'd be hard pushed to find a woman that said they did like dance music!

Personally, I Cannot Stand so-called 'dance' music. Mindless, repetitive droaning sounds with the same banal 'lyrics' repeated Endlessly until the 'listeners' want to beg for mercy.

Not my idea of music. :gag:

Punk and indie - now you're talking! :thumbsup:

StarSparkle

Originally posted by robbie
(and it also gives them a chance to show of their expensive clothing ;) )

I think you're probably bang on the money there, Robbie!

Also, I suspect most girls secretly (or not so secretly) actually believe they are as talented/can sing as well/look as good as Beyonce, and are just waiting for Simon Fuller to see them in action to immediately sign them up to international stardom! :rolleyes:

Punk/rock/indie girls actually love the MUSIC! Now there's a novel concept.....

StarSparkle :)

Don't know about most girls, maybe your in the wrong place! But yeah I am into dance, house and trance but sometimes it is nice to chill out to something a bit more indie/pop like and when I am stressed I stick on some hip hop/r & b!!!!

Also, I suspect most girls secretly (or not so secretly) actually believe they are as talented/can sing as well/look as good as Beyonce, and are just waiting for Simon Fuller to see them in action to immediately sign them up to international stardom! :rolleyes:

Punk/rock/indie girls actually love the MUSIC! Now there's a novel concept.....

StarSparkle :) [/B]

StarSparkle, I resent that quote a bit. I love the MUSIC too!!! It's just that I happen to love dance music like Hed Kandi, and poppy stuff by the likes of Britney and Girls Aloud.

I make no appologies for my taste - if we all liked the same thing then the world would be a very dull place. I listen to music because I enjoy it, not to impress anyone or be part of any particular crowd.

As for strutting around in expensive outfits - I'm afraid my mediocre reporter's salary doesn't stretch to that. You're more likely to find be raiding the clothes racks in Asda.

However, I will make one concession to you... Yes, I do sometimes think I'm as talented as Beyonce, thanks to years of prancing round my room and singing into a hairbrush (come on now, we've all done it!). But I usually only have my 'diva' moments after one-too-many vino tintos on a Saturday night.

PS - If this means I confirm to any of your steriotypes, then frankly, I don't care. It makes me happy!!!!

Originally posted by JBee
However, I will make one concession to you... Yes, I do sometimes think I'm as talented as Beyonce, thanks to years of prancing round my room and singing into a hairbrush (come on now, we've all done it!). But I usually only have my 'diva' moments after one-too-many vino tintos on a Saturday night.

PS - If this means I confirm to any of your steriotypes, then frankly, I don't care. It makes me happy!!!!

Thank you for confirming my point, JBee! :thumbsup:

I suppose I am a bit of a music snob, but to me, all this dance music rubbish just isn't proper music, and I don't accept 'afficionados' of such material as true music lovers.

Let's face it, it's 'music' to dance to/pose to - not in any way to be taken seriously - and the lyrics are not intended to offer anything meaningful or be transforming to anyone's life, to make the listener think at all.

Still, each to their own.

StarSparkle

Originally posted by StarSparkle
I think you're probably bang on the money there, Robbie!

Also, I suspect most girls secretly (or not so secretly) actually believe they are as talented/can sing as well/look as good as Beyonce, and are just waiting for Simon Fuller to see them in action to immediately sign them up to international stardom! :rolleyes:

Punk/rock/indie girls actually love the MUSIC! Now there's a novel concept.....

StarSparkle :)

but at least the dance girls wash regularly ;)

seriously,

I would agree that punk/ska/indie/rock girls tend to be more knowlegeable than their dance counterparts. Same with guys.

and they tend to have a much fonder taste in black :D

Originally posted by thestruggle
Its hard to speak in heavy rock/inide clubs, plus which they are for the extremist girls who embrace the rock lifestyle just a bit too much.

What? G'wan - enlighten me please!

I hate dance music. It's repetitive and boring in my opinion. I have varied taste in music, alsorts from 80's electro, punk/goth, big band and some easy listening. I really do like all styles of music but dance is just samey to me.

I'm a big believer in people LOVING the music they listen to - I can't stand people who just listen to what is "in", just because they feel they should, or because that's what their mates like.

So. This tends to happen in pop, dance and chart music, because it's what is played in the majority of clubs. But.... also, the kids that all listen to, say, Good Charlotte etc annoy me too... because they think they are being superior over other kids that are "sheep" - yet THEY all dress the same, think the same, talk the same etc...

So in summary. I can appreciate anyones taste in music, whether it be the same as mine or not. So long as they truely love music and are not just brainwashed into listening to it.

Good on you JBee.

Ta BoroughGal!

But StarSparkle, I fear we may be about to have a bit of a music standoff! You are being a total music snob!

Just because the lyrics of a certain type of music don't mean much to you, doesn't mean they can't have meaning to somebody else.

I have 'mood' music for different emtions, just like you do. It just comes from a different genre.

You can't pigeon-hole people just cause of what's on their stereo.

Originally posted by JBee
...You can't pigeon-hole people just cause of what's on their stereo.
That'd just be stereo-typing.





:hihi: :clap: :hihi:








I'll get mi coat...

I listen to most kinds of music and it is a mood thing.

I listen to a lot of chill-out music and less of the faster stuf I listened to when I was younger.

A good dance club is a good dance club. However, the pap that most play now is beyond the pale. Having said that, I could say the same for most clubs irrespective of what type of music they play.

Originally posted by robbie


I listen to a lot of chill-out music and less of the faster stuf I listened to when I was younger.


Same here. Chilled and relaxed is my thing too...

there really isn't any kind of music i would say i dislike. i like each song (tune!!) on its merits. i have and probably will continue to dance to any song i think is worthy of my excellent dance floor techniques.

i have been to every and all types of clubs both in England and abroad from Gatecrasher nights in Sheffield to indie rock in Italy (honest!) to R and B in a very funky club on the lower east side of Manhatten and i have loved each and every minute.

Women like to dance, it makes us feel and look sexy (with the odd exception), men then try it on which boosts our confidence and we can have a laugh with our friends - perfect !!!

Originally posted by Lee1979
there really isn't any kind of music i would say i dislike. i like each song (tune!!) on its merits. i have and probably will continue to dance to any song i think is worthy of my excellent dance floor techniques.

i have been to every and all types of clubs both in England and abroad from Gatecrasher nights to indie rock in Italy (honest!) to R and B in a very funky club on the lower east side of Manhatten and i have loved each and every minute.

Women like to dance, it makes us feel and look sexy (with the odd exception), men then try it on which boosts our confidence and we can have a laugh with our friends - perfect !!!

I like you're philosophy Lee1979. It's similar to mine - minus the Manhatten R and B club. I have sampled an East German Techno Rave though - which was a mind boggling and highly entertaining experience. And my best every concert EVER was the Rolling Stones at the MEN Arena in Manchester.

Say what you like about my taste - but it's certainly diverse.

oh believe me JBee - the r and b club was soooo not my idea. i'd been to see louie vega and kenny dope the night before in cielo in the meatpacking district (much more my thing). I got herded into the r and b club (whose name escapes me) and i paid $20 for the privilage and $25 for two vodka and cokes !!!! i actually really enjoyed the night and spent most of it dancing, its just the atmosphere and the mood was amazing so i got really into it and loved it !!

Originally posted by BoroughGal
I'm a big believer in people LOVING the music they listen to - I can't stand people who just listen to what is "in", just because they feel they should, or because that's what their mates like.

So in summary. I can appreciate anyones taste in music, whether it be the same as mine or not. So long as they truely love music and are not just brainwashed into listening to it.

I believe this is what I said, Boroughgal! Obviously I didn't make myself clear enough.

If someone truly loves their music, whatever it is, they're ok by me.

But the thing is, most people who listen to dance music don't actually LOVE MUSIC at all. It could be any old rubbish playing in a club - and usually is :gag: Just as long as it's got a beat and they can dance to it, and it's what their mates are dancing to. And they can try to look good and show off in front of the boys/girls. That ain't what loving music's all about.

I'll bet the vast majority of dance music fans know zero about the history of music, and probably care about it even less. No-one will remember or care about most dance music in 10 years time - or even in 10 weeks time! It's just sound to dance to - no more, no less.

StarSparkle

Originally posted by JBee
But StarSparkle, I fear we may be about to have a bit of a music standoff! You are being a total music snob!


Yeah, I am a total music snob, and damn proud of it! :thumbsup: I wouldn't be any other way!

StarSparkle

Classic 70s and 80s Rock is my favourite, but I love 60s music too, as well as a lot of 90s and 00s....not keen on rap, but if it has some sort of melody, then I'll give it a chance. Current favourites are Scissor Sisters and Robbie Williams.

With me, it really does depend on whether I consider a track to be worth listening to, because that is what I like to do, listen to the music and the lyrics.

"Dance" music is ok in the dance situation, but it's not really for listening to.

Hopefully, I've proved the subject of this thread to be incorrect, and IMO sexist....music has nothing to do with gender.
:)

dance music is the bestest, daaaah :D

StarSparkle - I'm sorry but what you have just posted over the previous 2 pages amounts to a rather large steaming pile of bull... You are obviously unaware that dance music takes many forms and has grown over the last 30 years into a massive variety of styles - house, techno, trance, breakbeat, jungle etc. It isn't just the commercial crap you hear on the radio and at Kingdom. Dance music has it's roots in what you'd probably refer to as 'real' music - it's just an evolution of it.

To say people who listen to dance don't love their music is complete tosh. Sure some aren't too bothered but that's pretty universal throughout any genre. If they don't love it then why do people travel the length and breadth of the country every weekend to go to the dance clubs playing the music they supposedly don't love, why do so many people travel to Ibiza every year to go and pay large entry fees every night of the week to listen to dance music and see the dj's they know and love (as well as many other countries), why are there numerous dance festivals each year that attract 10's of 1000's to each event, why is the dance music vinyl market doing so well... You'll also find that at a 'proper' dance club the people are usually very knowledgable about the history of music and they also tend to have an appreciation for many more styles of music.

I could go on but I feel that I'm wasting my breath...

Just because you don't appreciate a genre of music doesn't mean that others can't. You don't have to like it but your comments just show you to be ignorant and narrow minded.

What clubs and experiences is your vast knowledge of dance music based on?

i dont like dance music- punk/rock/metal for me :)

Music has everything to do with gender. I would say at least 93% of women have terrible taste in music, and unlike us nerdy music-anorak blokes who frequently compete to track down rare/obscure/unknown stuff, most women just buy what they see on telly or hear on the radio. Fact.

But women are definitely MUCH better dancers then men (even if most of them dance the exact same way...bob back and forth, flick hair over shoulder etc) so are therefore allowed to like dance music.

Originally posted by fnkysknky
StarSparkle - I'm sorry but what you have just posted over the previous 2 pages amounts to a rather large steaming pile of bull... You are obviously unaware that dance music takes many forms and has grown over the last 30 years into a massive variety of styles - house, techno, trance, breakbeat, jungle etc. It isn't just the commercial crap you hear on the radio and at Kingdom. Dance music has it's roots in what you'd probably refer to as 'real' music - it's just an evolution of it.

To say people who listen to dance don't love their music is complete tosh. Sure some aren't too bothered but that's pretty universal throughout any genre. If they don't love it then why do people travel the length and breadth of the country every weekend to go to the dance clubs playing the music they supposedly don't love, why do so many people travel to Ibiza every year to go and pay large entry fees every night of the week to listen to dance music and see the dj's they know and love (as well as many other countries), why are there numerous dance festivals each year that attract 10's of 1000's to each event, why is the dance music vinyl market doing so well... You'll also find that at a 'proper' dance club the people are usually very knowledgable about the history of music and they also tend to have an appreciation for many more styles of music.

I could go on but I feel that I'm wasting my breath...

Just because you don't appreciate a genre of music doesn't mean that others can't. You don't have to like it but your comments just show you to be ignorant and narrow minded.

What clubs and experiences is your vast knowledge of dance music based on?

I think that one of the points that StarSparkle was making was knowledge of the music.

Now whilst dj's now there stuff. Most dance fans may like that tune but wont know who did it or remixed it. rock/punk/indie fans tend to be a lot more geeky about it.

Originally posted by robbie
I think that one of the points that StarSparkle was making was knowledge of the music.

Now whilst dj's now there stuff. Most dance fans may like that tune but wont know who did it or remixed it. rock/punk/indie fans tend to be a lot more geeky about it.

Go to any 'proper' dance club - people do know their music and I regularly speak to people who can remember the entire track listing from a night they recently went to. You get a hell of a lot of 'tune geeks/spotters' at dance clubs who are bordering on being obsessed with knowing absoulutely everything about every tune.

Say What? House music all night long....

Originally posted by fnkysknky
StarSparkle - I'm sorry but what you have just posted over the previous 2 pages amounts to a rather large steaming pile of bull... You are obviously unaware that dance music takes many forms and has grown over the last 30 years into a massive variety of styles - house, techno, trance, breakbeat, jungle etc. It isn't just the commercial crap you hear on the radio and at Kingdom. Dance music has it's roots in what you'd probably refer to as 'real' music - it's just an evolution of it.


Thank you for your kind comments, Fnkysknky - you're absolutely right - I know nothing about so-called 'dance music', and I care even less about it. I don't give a **** about it - it's beneath me to waste my time on it. It all sounds the same - mindless, thought-numbing c***.

It's sheer banality and repetitiveness makes my brain hurt. I try to hear as little of it as possible to prevent my brain rotting.

Most people I've come across who claim to enjoy dance music are people I would describe as chavs. The sort of people for whom showing off to their chavvy mates is all that counts.

To say most fans of any particular genre know little of its history is complete s****. As Robbie correctly says, followers of punk or indie are FAR more likely to be musically knowledgeable, and I would venture to say have a vastly wider appreciation of different musical styles than your average dance fan.

To your average punk/indie fan, music is an integral part of their lives - not a fashion accessory to be indulged in on a Friday or Saturday night.

And don't tell me Ibiza is about music - it's all about hedonism, pure and simple. And being SEEN with the right people, in the right places.

But you're right on one thing - we're obviously wasting our breath on each other.

No doubt I'll get a whole lot of bull**** flung at me now by a bunch of sheep who only know how to copy other sheep, but I couldn't care less. I know I'm right.

StarSparkle

Ouch...............

Originally posted by StarSparkle
I believe this is what I said, Boroughgal! Obviously I didn't make myself clear enough.

Nothing I said was aimed at you.... seriously! They're my views about music all the time.....!

i know plenty who like rock / metal, plenty that like punk, plenty that like folky singer songwriters............and my missus likes a nice bit of reggae like i do

and yes i know quite a few who like dance music

and some that like pop :(

I don't like 'dance' music and so i just don't listen to it.......simple as that! You listen to what you like.

its cos women are too stupid to learn the words

Originally posted by coopster1974
its cos women are too stupid to learn the words

oh dear God. this thread is liable to explode isn't it

**runs away**

its cos women are too stupid to learn the words

I'm outta here

Thank you for your kind comments, Fnkysknky - you're absolutely right - I know nothing about so-called 'dance music', and I care even less about it. I don't give a **** about it - it's beneath me to waste my time on it. It all sounds the same - mindless, thought-numbing c***.

It's sheer banality and repetitiveness makes my brain hurt. I try to hear as little of it as possible to prevent my brain rotting.

Most people I've come across who claim to enjoy dance music are people I would describe as chavs. The sort of people for whom showing off to their chavvy mates is all that counts.

Liking what you like is fine. Trashing other people and their music because you don't personally care for it doesn't speak well for you.

To say most fans of any particular genre know little of its history is complete s****. As Robbie correctly says, followers of punk or indie are FAR more likely to be musically knowledgeable, and I would venture to say have a vastly wider appreciation of different musical styles than your average dance fan.

Anyone who makes broad sweeping statements like this (you, robbie, whoever) loses all credibility in the process. You don't know everyone and you don't speak for anyone except yourself.

To your average punk/indie fan, music is an integral part of their lives - not a fashion accessory to be indulged in on a Friday or Saturday night.

Once again you are making a broad statement that you have no way to back up and couldn't possibly be true in reality. Calling someone else's love a 'fashion accessory' also detracts from any logical arguement that you might make.

And don't tell me Ibiza is about music - it's all about hedonism, pure and simple. And being SEEN with the right people, in the right places.

Every experience is different to the person having it, you don't speak for them and you don't speak for what their vibe, reason and experience might mean.

No doubt I'll get a whole lot of bull**** flung at me now by a bunch of sheep who only know how to copy other sheep, but I couldn't care less. I know I'm right.

I find it funny that you call yourself a "follower of punk/indie" and call other folks "sheep". I also like to label things when I form an opinion and I shall now give you one...

You... StarSparkle... are a hater. You have no understand of subjective reality and anything or anyone that doesn't agree with your point of view is "wrong" in your eyes while you are "right".

Here is a piece of advice... Don't hate, appreciate.

Peace to the brothers and sisters and lovers of ALL types of music and for my particular compatriots I say again...

House music all night long!

Peace,

Locker

I enjoy dance music on a very superficial level - I can't see how it can be enjoyed other than to dance and drink to - i'm not trying to be derogatory here, but it's one purpose is to entertain people who are listening to it for the party atmosphere, not the intellectual stimulus. Therefore while I can see how people can 'love' it, anyone who claims it is their primary musical love....well....that makes them sound like a pretty superficial person to me - all this 'living for the weekend' rhetoric is somehow very depressing.

My main musical love is folk, and rock and indie second. I also can't cope with the pretentious tripe in a lot of rock and indie, btw. Some musical forms just have so much more depth, and there's rarely a dance track that is soul-wrenchingly beautiful, or can incite anger into a person. It's good fun, yes, but not much more - and as I said, this is not an insult, just something blindingly obvious - it's called bloody dance music, what more can it be for than to dance to?!

Folk, for me, is the heart and soul of all of us, of our parents, of the people we never knew but who left us something amazing. It's the music of people and it's as diverse as anything. I do believe that in a few years time 'urban' music like rap will be considered in the same way - tales of every day life for normal people.

And anyway, where would you get a line as perfect as this (for example):

?He’s laid his hand all on my cheek,
And the other on my breast,
Which nearly made this girl believe, Lord,
That the sun rose in the west.


in bloody Paul Oakenfold or something

Couldn't agree more Rosie.

We had a 'guest' Christmas before last - the girlfriend of an old friend - who tried to convert us to 'rave' overnight :roll:

We hadn't seen our friends in months, there was a 2 year old and a 3 month old trying to sleep upstairs, and we wanted background music while we chatted.

She was determined that we were getting leggless and having a party :mad:

She made the mistake of criticising an abstract card we had on display (created by the brother in law of her boyfriend :D ) on the grounds that she was a fine art graduate, but couldn't see that trance was the musical equivalent (she was arguing with a musician :D )

In the morning she put some excellent chill out stuff on that we would all have been very happy with the night before :confused: but by then she thought we were all taking the pi$$

Can't understand why she got dumped shortly afterwards :D

Originally posted by Strix
Couldn't agree more Rosie.

We had a 'guest' Christmas before last - the girlfriend of an old friend - who tried to convert us to 'rave' overnight :roll:

We hadn't seen our friends in months, there was a 2 year old and a 3 month old trying to sleep upstairs, and we wanted background music while we chatted.

She was determined that we were getting leggless and having a party :mad:

She made the mistake of criticising an abstract card we had on display (created by the brother in law of her boyfriend :D ) on the grounds that she was a fine art graduate, but couldn't see that trance was the musical equivalent (she was arguing with a musician :D )

In the morning she put some excellent chill out stuff on that we would all have been very happy with the night before :confused: but by then she thought we were all taking the pi$$

Can't understand why she got dumped shortly afterwards :D

Ugh, but there's always people like that around, people with no sense of occasion - those people that ALWAYS want to play Nirvana at parties when really all you want is a bit of S Club (:D)!

I can honestly say, hand on heart, I've never fancied a bit of S-Club. Nirvana every time :thumbsup:

Although we let the DJ judge for himself at our wedding, so it was solid rock after midnight :D

Soooooooo anywho, dance music is great, dont like it? dont listen to it! :thumbsup:
And where did u find women that like dance music? i been searching for so long!!

I enjoy dance music on a very superficial level - I can't see how it can be enjoyed other than to dance and drink to - i'm not trying to be derogatory here, but it's one purpose is to entertain people who are listening to it for the party atmosphere, not the intellectual stimulus. Therefore while I can see how people can 'love' it, anyone who claims it is their primary musical love....well....that makes them sound like a pretty superficial person to me - all this 'living for the weekend' rhetoric is somehow very depressing.


This made me think....

Perhaps folks here aren't familar with the many, many forms of "dance" music that are out there just waiting to be discovered. Just like there is rock music that is heavy, there are power balads, thrash, soft rock, etc etc. The types of 'dance' or electronica out there are even more unlimited.

I would say there is a good chance that if you like music at all there is a type for you and I'm going to give you an easy way to find out. I'm going to link a site for folks to check out that describes on a 1 page chart, the history and types of electronica/dance music/whatever. It also has samples of the music right there on the page so you can here what "Goa Trance" or "Breaks" or "Deep House" actually sounds like.

If you are at all open to new things and actually like music take a minute to check it out. Just click on the link then click on the big picture and it will load another window with the guide in it.

Ishkur's Guide to Electronic Music (http://www.ishkur.com/music/)

Peace,

Locker

Not all women prefer dance music, I don't. Gimme rock/punk/indie anyday :thumbsup:
And I hate rap.

You'd probably have been better off doing a poll on all the different genre's of music that "women" like and then you'd have got a better sense of how many women like dance music :lol:

Originally posted by StarSparkle


Most people I've come across who claim to enjoy dance music are people I would describe as chavs. The sort of people for whom showing off to their chavvy mates is all that counts.

StarSparkle

I know where you're coming from - Just wanted to comment on one thing though and that was that 'most' of the people you come across who like dance music are chavs - i've loved dance music for years n years ever since the days of going to 'The Shoom' and Astoria in London (late 80's) i even 'progressed' from being a bedroom DJ to mixing with Brandon Block (he was cool back then - but a real d*ck now)

Maybe you're right, 'dance music' has become so commercialised it's just music for the masses BUT there are some good decent informed club nights out with only a hint of Chav-esque types loitering about

I also used to like Joy Division, Inspiral Carpets, Pixies, Spaceman 3, Spear of Destiny, Charlatons etcetc by the way so i'm not music fik ;)

Anyhow i guess i'm kind of agreeing with you - but i just wanted to reinforce your view that not all people that are into their dance music are chavs.
n now i've said it :thumbsup:

Originally posted by StarSparkle
Thank you for your kind comments, Fnkysknky - you're absolutely right - I know nothing about so-called 'dance music', and I care even less about it. I don't give a **** about it - it's beneath me to waste my time on it. It all sounds the same - mindless, thought-numbing c***.

It's sheer banality and repetitiveness makes my brain hurt. I try to hear as little of it as possible to prevent my brain rotting.

Most people I've come across who claim to enjoy dance music are people I would describe as chavs. The sort of people for whom showing off to their chavvy mates is all that counts.

To say most fans of any particular genre know little of its history is complete s****. As Robbie correctly says, followers of punk or indie are FAR more likely to be musically knowledgeable, and I would venture to say have a vastly wider appreciation of different musical styles than your average dance fan.

To your average punk/indie fan, music is an integral part of their lives - not a fashion accessory to be indulged in on a Friday or Saturday night.

And don't tell me Ibiza is about music - it's all about hedonism, pure and simple. And being SEEN with the right people, in the right places.

But you're right on one thing - we're obviously wasting our breath on each other.

No doubt I'll get a whole lot of bull**** flung at me now by a bunch of sheep who only know how to copy other sheep, but I couldn't care less. I know I'm right.

StarSparkle

I don't really think we need to fling a whole lot of bull**** at you StarSparkle. You seem to be doing a pretty good job of disgracing yourself without any help, if your last thread was anything to go by.

You've probably gone to inflict your pretentious opinions on another thread by now, but if you are still around I would just like to add one thing...

I HATE most punk/indie music. I find it dull, self-indulgent and annoying. But that's the first time I've mentioned that on this thread, and I would never fling unfounded insults and opinions at people just because they are indie kids or moshers.

I have much more class than that. So clearly not all dance music fans are chavs.

I can't be bothered to read the entire thread but I hate it with a passion!

change of tack really.

Am I just getting old or has dance music completely gone to pot in recent years?

I used to be into different stuff such as Bukem, Alex Reece, Sasha and Digweed, Filla Brazil, Cafe del Mar, Underworld, DJ Dimitri, Death in Vegas etc etc and had several mix tapes.

It seems to me that what was once say speed garage is now soemthing different. Speed garage used to be quite good :help: but now what passes for speed garage seems to be what used to pass for bad house music.

Trance seems to have become the new house.

When I was in my tens we had superclubs/raves/small alternative nights.

we had the joys in Sheffield of Music Factory and then Rise.

now it seems to be very samey.

Am I just getting old .

Originally posted by StarSparkle
To say most fans of any particular genre know little of its history is complete s****. As Robbie correctly says, followers of punk or indie are FAR more likely to be musically knowledgeable, and I would venture to say have a vastly wider appreciation of different musical styles than your average dance fan.

That's funny as you were the one who said it, not me and I quote

I'll bet the vast majority of dance music fans know zero about the history of music, and probably care about it even less. No-one will remember or care about most dance music in 10 years time - or even in 10 weeks time! It's just sound to dance to - no more, no less.

I can appreciate any style of music and even if it's something I'm not a great fan of I wouldn't harass people over it or think I'm better than them.

Locker has hit the nail on the head - dance music covers a massive range of styles now - the guide he links to contains 180 genres - to dismiss them without even listening to most of them is just plain daft.

And you never answered my question - what clubs and experiences is your vast knowledge of dance music based on? :rolleyes:

Originally posted by StarSparkle


Most people I've come across who claim to enjoy dance music are people I would describe as chavs. The sort of people for whom showing off to their chavvy mates is all that counts.


StarSparkle

tbh when i got into dance music, it was about 1990 and the underground rave scene, traveller / festival, clubs in sheffield like the palais / music factory ..........i was in my punk days still, but enjoyed it.
still do, a lot of the big bands are "real" Bnds now too
chem brothers, underworld, leftfield, faithless, orbital, prodigy.

and a hell of a lot of dance djs / artists i would say are just as / if not more knowledgable than a lot of rock/indie bands (rock and indie generally, not always tend to stick in the same genre)
a lot of the big dance djs etc have record collections of like 10000 records .....which normally encompasses soul, funk, jazz, dance, reggae, rock, indie, etc etc etc, a lot more eclectic, they normally have the most obscure stuff nobody else has heard too.
a lot of djs etc used to be punks too orbital, orb, underworld (i think), drum club, klf, leftfield

Originally posted by JBee
You've probably gone to inflict your pretentious opinions on another thread by now, but if you are still around I would just like to add one thing...

I HATE most punk/indie music. I find it dull, self-indulgent and annoying. But that's the first time I've mentioned that on this thread, and I would never fling unfounded insults and opinions at people just because they are indie kids or moshers.

I have much more class than that. So clearly not all dance music fans are chavs.

Oooh, I have got under your skin, haven't I? Just precisely how have I 'disgraced' myself, I'd like to know? I meant every word of what I said, and it's only the truth. Don't you like to hear the truth? Did some of my comments hit a bit too close to home for comfort?

Why am I not surprised you hate punk/indie music? You really didn't need to say it. It requires a bit of intelligence/individuality to appreciate.

I'm bored of this now. I've better things to do than waste my breath on dumb Beyonce-wannabees.

StarSparkle

I'm amazed when people get so indignant when their taste in music is questioned. I think that only happens when people identify a little too much with the ethos/lifestyle/peer group of their chosen genre.

97% of dance music is ****e. But then again 97% of ALL music is ****e, you have to seek out the good stuff. And after being exposed to cack dance music for years at every tacky club and dingy rave hole around, is it any wonder most folk could not be arsed to seek out the possibly decent stuff.

Originally posted by StarSparkle
Oooh, I have got under your skin, haven't I? Just precisely how have I 'disgraced' myself, I'd like to know? I meant every word of what I said, and it's only the truth. Don't you like to hear the truth? Did some of my comments hit a bit too close to home for comfort?

Why am I not surprised you hate punk/indie music? You really didn't need to say it. It requires a bit of intelligence/individuality to appreciate.

I'm bored of this now. I've better things to do than waste my breath on dumb Beyonce-wannabees.

StarSparkle

I noticed that you didn't respond to any of the constructive comments directed to you. Are you just a flamer who's only goal is to sling insults, upset people and then covers her retreat by saying "I'm bored of this now"?

Sure looks like it to me, I'm sure any rational and reasonable reader will take all that into account when reading your post.

Peace,

Locker

Originally posted by Locker
I noticed that you didn't respond to any of the constructive comments directed to you. Are you just a flamer who's only goal is to sling insults, upset people and then covers her retreat by saying "I'm bored of this now"?

Sure looks like it to me, I'm sure any rational and reasonable reader will take all that into account when reading your post.

Peace,

Locker

Thanks for your support Locker, but it's no problem. StarSparkle can sound off all she wants, she's only making herself look bad - not me!

You can't call someone unintelligent without even knowing them and based purely on their taste in music, so one could argue that that was quite an unintelligent remark for her to make! :loopy:

Anyway - I'm off on holiday to Southern Spain tomorrow, so I won't be replying to any more of these posts. I'm mainly going to relax and read lots of books on the beach, but who knows.... I may even do a spot of dancing....:hihi:

:banana: :banana: :banana:

Originally posted by Locker
I noticed that you didn't respond to any of the constructive comments directed to you. Are you just a flamer who's only goal is to sling insults, upset people and then covers her retreat by saying "I'm bored of this now"?

Sure looks like it to me, I'm sure any rational and reasonable reader will take all that into account when reading your post.

Peace,

Locker

You're quite right, Locker, I didn't respond last night to any of the constructive comments that were raised by a number of people, including yourself.

I'm sorry for that, but I was angry and hurt by what I felt were JBee's unnecessarily unkind and derogatory (and very personal) comments to me.

Now I've calmed down, I can read the other, reasonable posts on the thread with equanimity. There are some very good points made - I accept I have a blind spot where dance music is concerned and perhaps that is I something I should look at.

I love many forms of music and can appreciate others, even though they're maybe not 'my cup of tea'. I can appreciate there is quality and there is dross in all types of music, and accept I may have heard largely the "not so quality" end of dance music.

Thank you for the link in your post, Locker - I look forward to trying it out :thumbsup:

Cheers,

StarSparkle :)

Surely the answer to the original question is a single word: handbags.

Originally posted by StarSparkle
You're quite right, Locker, I didn't respond last night to any of the constructive comments that were raised by a number of people, including yourself.

I'm sorry for that, but I was angry and hurt by what I felt were JBee's unnecessarily unkind and derogatory (and very personal) comments to me.

Now I've calmed down, I can read the other, reasonable posts on the thread with equanimity. There are some very good points made - I accept I have a blind spot where dance music is concerned and perhaps that is I something I should look at.

I love many forms of music and can appreciate others, even though they're maybe not 'my cup of tea'. I can appreciate there is quality and there is dross in all types of music, and accept I may have heard largely the "not so quality" end of dance music.

Thank you for the link in your post, Locker - I look forward to trying it out :thumbsup:

Cheers,

StarSparkle :)

Finally a reasonable post StarSparkle. What a relief :clap:

I don't actually consider than any of the comments I've made in relation to your posts have been too personal. Certainly not when compared to the labels you've been slinging at me. I've tried to comment on the things you've been writing rather than your personality as a whole, but if I've got it wrong and offended you then I sincerely appologise.

It seems to have fallen to me to defend dance music on this thread, even though it's only one example of the types of music that I like, and in return I feel that you've drawn a few unpleasent conclusions on my personality and intelect from it.

As well as dancing round my handbag, I also like going to festivals, alternative types of music like salsa (which I suppose you could call dance music seen as I dance to it), and jazz, soul and what I would call Rock 'n' roll (Rolling Stones ect.) I suspect if I'd made a comment on a different thread about my trip to Glastonbury this year, you'd have probably approved and judged my character in a much more positive way. But I'm still the same person.

(Although perhaps you don't approve of festivals? I'm not trying to stereotype you just because you like indie music.)

I'm glad that you've aknowledged your blind spot where dance music is concerned. You don't have to like all types of music, but calling people with different tastes 'sheep', 'chavs' and 'Beyonce-wannabees' is a bit out of line.

Perhaps you'll find time to check out that site that Locker suggested, and if you'd like to educate me more on punk and indie I'd be happy to take a look at any websites you recommend.

:D

Finally, a reasonably reasonable post JBee :D

See, we can converse like reasonable human beings without flinging insults. I'm a very nice person when I'm not fighting to defend myself.

Peace to you and Locker ;) :thumbsup:

StarSparkle

What's Pax? :huh:

WTF???

Did you just change the ending to your post StarSparkle, or am I in much more desperate need of my holiday than I thought?

I read 'Pax to you and Locker' :wow:

Originally posted by JBee
WTF???

Did you just change the ending to your post StarSparkle, or am I in much more desperate need of my holiday than I thought?

I read 'Pax to you and Locker' :wow:

No, you're not imagining things JBee - I did change 'Pax' to 'Peace'.

Didn't want to be accused of being pretentious! :D

StarSparkle

Well I have no idea what Pax means, maybe you could enlighten me?

But am not raising to the bait of the 'pretentious' remark StarSparkle. We both know you can dish it out as well as take it, so lets drop that now eh?

Am heartily glad you've confirmed that I'm not going blind or mad though! :banana: I did seriously wonder - you must have changed it bloody quickly!!!

Originally posted by JBee
Well I have no idea what Pax means, maybe you could enlighten me?

But am not raising to the bait of the 'pretentious' remark StarSparkle. We both know you can dish it out as well as take it, so lets drop that now eh?

Am heartily glad you've confirmed that I'm not going blind or mad though! :banana: I did seriously wonder - you must have changed it bloody quickly!!!

'Pax' is the Latin for 'Peace'. As soon as I pressed 'Submit Reply' I thought it might be seen as a bit pretentious to use it, so I quickly changed it.

Oh, by the way, JBee, I've just noticed your comments on the Kaiser Chiefs (and KT Tunstall) on another thread - so I can honestly congratulate you on your musical taste! :thumbsup:

Enjoy your Holiday

StarSparkle :)

Originally posted by StarSparkle
Oh, by the way, JBee, I've just noticed your comments on the Kaiser Chiefs (and KT Tunstall) on another thread - so I can honestly congratulate you on your musical taste! :thumbsup:

Enjoy your Holiday

StarSparkle :)

See StarSparke... Embrace the diversity. I like Britney AND the Kaiser Chiefs. Variety is the spice of life.

And thank-you for you kind wishes, I shall try my very best to enjoy my holiday (I'm hoping to do plenty of dancing of the salsa variety), and come back refreshed and ready to tackle a whole new debate.

Pex to you!

*****Spots mistake and roars with laughter*****

I meant Pax!!!!!!!

:nod:

Originally posted by JBee
See StarSparke... Embrace the diversity. I like Britney AND the Kaiser Chiefs. Variety is the spice of life.

And thank-you for you kind wishes, I shall try my very best to enjoy my holiday (I'm hoping to do plenty of dancing of the salsa variety), and come back refreshed and ready to tackle a whole new debate.

Pex to you!

Oh, I do embrace diversity - I just have certain standards :thumbsup:

And did you mean 'Pax' to me? 'Pex' may mean something very different - I don't know! :D

StarSparkle

Originally posted by JBee
*****Spots mistake and roars with laughter*****

I meant Pax!!!!!!!

:nod:

Indeed.

Originally posted by JBee
*****Spots mistake and roars with laughter*****

I meant Pax!!!!!!!

:nod:

Oops! Cross-postings - you beat me to it!

Enjoy yourself in Spain!

Cheers,

StarSparkle :)

aww a happy ending :D
now it's all over do any of you ladies wanna smooch to a Micheal Bolton ballad with me? :thumbsup:

Glad to see we've been creating entertainment for you Bedhead.

I wonder how many others have been watching the soap opera of this thread unfold?

I feel a bit exposed now. Like a caged chimp.

Or dancing banana :banana:

Originally posted by JBee
Glad to see we've been creating entertainment for you Bedhead.

I wonder how many others have been watching the soap opera of this thread unfold?

I feel a bit exposed now. Like a caged chimp.

Or dancing banana :banana:

i must admit, i was intrigued as to how you were gonna respond to this;

I'm bored of this now. I've better things to do than waste my breath on dumb Beyonce-wannabees.

StarSparkle'

Originally posted by Bedhead
aww a happy ending :D
now it's all over do any of you ladies wanna smooch to a Micheal Bolton ballad with me? :thumbsup:

Oh go on then, Bedhead - I'd be honoured to have a dance with you :D Just as long as it's not Michael Bolton..... :gag: :gag: :gag:

There is a definite limit to my musical tolerance!

StarSparkle :)

Originally posted by StarSparkle
Oh go on then, Bedhead - I'd be honoured to have a dance with you :D Just as long as it's not Michael Bolton..... :gag: :gag: :gag:

There is a definite limit to my musical tolerance!

StarSparkle :)

Billy Ocean then?

Originally posted by Bedhead
Billy Ocean then?

LOL! Now you're talking! :D

Originally posted by Bedhead
i must admit, i was intrigued as to how you were gonna respond to this;

I'm bored of this now. I've better things to do than waste my breath on dumb Beyonce-wannabees.

StarSparkle'

I actually found it very funny Bedhead, but that's because I knew imediately that StarSparkle couldn't be further than the truth! Got a strange look from my boss cause I tried to smother a giggle and nearly chocked on a mouthful of fennel tea, while sat at my desk "working".

I think anybody who knows me would have had a good chuckle at it too.

But stop trying to stir up trouble again. As you can see, peace has been declared on this thread, so lets keep it that way!!!!

Originally posted by JBee
I actually found it very funny Bedhead, but that's because I knew imediately that StarSparkle couldn't be further than the truth! Got a strange look from my boss cause I tried to smother a giggle and nearly chocked on a mouthful of fennel tea, while sat at my desk "working".

I think anybody who knows me would have had a good chuckle at it too.

But stop trying to stir up trouble again. As you can see, peace has been declared on this thread, so lets keep it that way!!!!

stir up trouble - moi?!
you must be kidding i wouldn't want to upset either of you after looking through this thread!!!

Originally posted by Bedhead
stir up trouble - moi?!
you must be kidding i wouldn't want to upset either of you after looking through this thread!!!

Yep. If you upset us both at the same time you'd definitely be in for an ear-bashing! :rant:

Right. I'm retiring from this thread now, leaving work, and going home to pack.

Peace/Pax/Pex/General feelings of goodwill to you all.

JBee xxxx

PS - House music all night long! :hihi:

Originally posted by Bedhead
stir up trouble - moi?!
you must be kidding i wouldn't want to upset either of you after looking through this thread!!!

You got that right at least, Bedhead

There's me, being nice and friendly.... There's just no point with some people.... They just don't know when to leave well alone

StarSparkle

Ladies,

you two need to go out for a night out. One week Jbee will take you out dancing Starsparkle and the next you take her to a gig/decent indie night.

I bet you both enjoy yourselves both nights :)

enjoy your holiday JBee:)

I'm female. I would rather top myself than listen to dance music. Rock/indie all the way!

What an ignorant poster.

Some prefer it in bed, so that you men can try to keep up with the beat. :D

WM