rumours are rife Paddy will be unavailable next season and we will be signing Lonagan from Preston.

not heard anything about that, certainly will be a big blow for you lot if its true, not sure how good lonagan

not heard anything about that, certainly will be a big blow for you lot if its true, not sure how good lonagan

Lonagan is a cracking keeper if we can get him i'm sure many would be happy, not sure how true the rumours about Paddy are.

I'm sure all will be revealed in the next few days.

I'd take Lonergan over Paddy or Grant if he was available, if it wasn't for him we'd have grabbed a hatful in the playoff first leg! Would've thought a PL side would've been looking at him if he was available though...

I'd take Lonergan over Paddy or Grant if he was available, if it wasn't for him we'd have grabbed a hatful in the playoff first leg! Would've thought a PL side would've been looking at him if he was available though...


Its all speculation at the moment and i'm only relaying what i've read on another board.

I would be happy with Lonagan though, very happy.

not heard anything about that, certainly will be a big blow for you lot if its true, not sure how good lonagan

Top class keeper

is the Pieman injured ?

the Preston lad is a quality keeper though ,but thought you would have gone for Watfords keeper;)

is the Pieman injured ?

the Preston lad is a quality keeper though ,but thought you would have gone for Watfords keeper;)

The pieman left your place after years of service without even a testimonial if thats how you look after your players no wonder your bitter and twisted

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/jul/07/paddy-kenny-drugs-test

he could get a 2 year ban

At first glance you think whats the issue if the reports are accurate he bought cough medicine over the counter big issue, then you listen to sports reporters and they say you have to declare any issues ie hayfever etc etc and what dose you have taken on a list prior to any drugs test, if you fail to do this no matter how trivial if its a banned substance you will be in for a long ban. Talk Sport were saying this morning that if this is true then he has been very stupid and a big ban will be on its way ! The Blades have suspended him so it looks like we will be on the hunt for a new keeper ! Players should consult the club doctor and not purchase over the counter unless previously disclosed !

Yet more bad press for the club the vultures will be over Bramall Lane over this !

Out for the season could be two years if the failed drugs reports are accurate what a muppett !

a 2 year ban would kill him

If its true, he's made the stupidest mistake possible! He'll know the rules like any sportsman, and failing to follow them will probably cost him. United will get someone new, and probably better, and that's his career over with the club most likely.

Bit of a loss to United I'd say, but they've got the cash to lure someone else.

I dont think for a minute that he has tried to gain any advantage by this, I just think it is probably the most stupid thing any professional sportsman could do :loopy:

I dont think for a minute that he has tried to gain any advantage by this, I just think it is probably the most stupid thing any professional sportsman could do :loopy:

Spot on. I think he was probably trying to stop his cough! That said, he knows the rules I'd imagine, so I think we'll all agree he's just stupid! :)

I'm waiting for comments about pies.

My guess is by 10.30am....

im yet 2 c any official confirmation of this, nothin on sufc.co.uk, nothin on bbc.co.uk, nothin on SkySports but if its true the guys an idiot - how long is his contract? tk they might b tempteto tear it up if he gets a lengthy banhin

Paul Walker says on Radio Sheffield this morning that he believes Kenny was suffering from a chest infection, and took the substance in order to be fit for the play off semi final.

The items he took contained a banned substance which opens the airways, assisting breathing (which in turn assists the sufferer in their recovery). This is why it is banned.

So you have to ask the question:

'did United benefit from Paddy Kenny taking a banned substance?'.

I believe the answer is yes, as taking this enabled him to be fit enough to play in the semi final. Which United were successful in.

Now, to apply similar logic to that which has floated around for the last few years (i.e. if Carlos Tevez hadn't played for West Ham, they would have been relegated), if Kenny hadn't have played in the semi final, United would have lost.

Therefore, through Kenny's deliberate misuse of banned substances, Preston were denied the opportunity to compete in the play off final (apply same logic as before) which they would probably won. Therefore Preston are within their rights to sue United (and or Kenny) for lost Premiership revenue. Or at least the revenue that a play off final would have generated them (oh dear, the Tevez situation bites united on the ass again!).

Replayed games. Abandoned games. Drug misuse. Wherever there is embarrassing controversy there is Sheffield United.

Paul Walker says on Radio Sheffield this morning that he believes Kenny was suffering from a chest infection, and took the substance in order to be fit for the play off semi final.

The items he took contained a banned substance which opens the airways, assisting breathing (which in turn assists the sufferer in their recovery). This is why it is banned.

So you have to ask the question:

'did United benefit from Paddy Kenny taking a banned substance?'.

I believe the answer is yes, as taking this enabled him to be fit enough to play in the semi final. Which United were successful in.

Now, to apply similar logic to that which has floated around for the last few years (i.e. if Carlos Tevez hadn't played for West Ham, they would have been relegated), if Kenny hadn't have played in the semi final, United would have lost.

Therefore, through Kenny's deliberate misuse of banned substances, Preston were denied the opportunity to compete in the play off final (apply same logic as before) which they would probably won. Therefore Preston are within their rights to sue United (and or Kenny) for lost Premiership revenue. Or at least the revenue that a play off final would have generated them (oh dear, the Tevez situation bites united on the ass again!).

Replayed games. Abandoned games. Drug misuse. Wherever there is embarrassing controversy there is Sheffield United.

lol- did you actually watch the play-off semifinal?

He didn't have anything to do so stop stirring, this thread is about paddy kenny (and his stupidity might i add) not about the west ham case.

move on.

lol- did you actually watch the play-off semifinal?

He didn't have anything to do so stop stirring, this thread is about paddy kenny (and his stupidity might i add) not about the west ham case.

move on.

We're so oftent told by blades that Paddy Kenny is the best keeper outside the premiership.

So without him, this may well have affected the entire balance of the team - the confidence of the defenders in front of him, and the decisions they made.

Not having him (as you wouldn't have had if he'd not chosen to substance abuse) may well have changed the entire game, and ultimately the outcome.

It's Tevez logic.

No its not- its absolute tosh. Your argueing for argueings sake.

Move on.

No its not- its absolute tosh. Your argueing for argueings sake.

Move on.

I find it unsuprising that a supporter of a club that benefitted to the tune of £x million pounds (I don't know the exact amount, I'm sure I could find it on many of thethreads on here where blades are rubbing their hands with glee) based on an argument of if's and but's doesn't like the same logic applied in return.

Well i hope you enjoy your unsuprise then.

Does anyone know if lonergan is available on a free or if there will be a fee involved to get him?

im yet 2 c any official confirmation of this, nothin on sufc.co.uk, nothin on bbc.co.uk, nothin on SkySports but if its true the guys an idiot - how long is his contract? tk they might b tempteto tear it up if he gets a lengthy banhin



http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/sheff_utd/8137680.stm

Stop trolling FS or we will have to call you MrBenn or Titanic ;)

Anyways..... I'd heard something along these lines before today but never good to speculate.

Paddy has obviously been a very sill boy, if he gets a long ban he will have nobody to blame but himself. With a year left on his contract I would be surprised to see him remain a Blades player as one of higher earners.

http://www.thestar.co.uk/sportheadlines/Sheffield-United-suspend-keeper-Kenny.5434268.jp

Chest infection, or swine flu? :D

Haven't Watford got a keeper you could buy? ;)

I dont know having to take medicine for swine flu hey :hihi: good job United lost play offs isnt it you can see the headlines now. Preston Sue sheffield united for £50m :hihi:

lock him up!!!! :hihi:

no he's arguing because its united .wouldn't bother resonding

on a serious point ,dosnt this open up the possibility of Preston sueing the blades ?
if Paddy was hyper and his performance enhanced due to him popping a few pills , many people may think that he mades saves that he wouldnt have if he wasnt high, and thus cost Preston the chance to play Burnley vin the final for a shot at the £60m prize.

its a definate possibility this could happen

on a serious point ,dosnt this open up the possibility of Preston sueing the blades ?

No, the Blades played a player they thought to be legible to play.

Glad thats cleared that one up.

if Paddy was hyper and his performance enhanced due to him popping a few pills

Hyper? Define hyper.....

Reports are coming that the banned drug helped him 'breath easier'.

many people may think that he mades saves that he wouldnt have if he wasnt high,

How was he high? Are you saying he has been taking illegal substances?

How was he high? Are you saying he has been taking illegal substances?

in footballing terms, yes he was under the influence on an illegal substance

in footballing terms, yes he was under the influence on an illegal substance

Banned substance is the words you are looking for.

Illegal would imply he broke the law.

West Ham also played a player they thought was allowed to play ,until the issues of the paperwork came to light . no difference im afraid.

The blades fans can say the two cases are different till the cows come home ,the fact is both teams fielded a player that shouldnt have been playing .
Preston will have a very good case if they persue this in my opinion.
ok ,obviously the game cant be replayed ,so you can see Preston going down the same route the blades took to ,in the words of the blades "right a wrong "

West Ham also played a player they thought was allowed to play ,until the issues of the paperwork came to light . no difference im afraid.


They with-held paperwork which contravened PL rules so Tevez could play.

The club were in the wrong in WHU's case - not the player....

The case is different for that reason alone.

Stop clutching at straws

The Main difference legally is that SUFC Limited are Paddy Kenny's employer and he as an employee has stepped out of line, and used substances against accidentally or other wise that are listed by the Club as a drug not to be used.

Major difference here to end this stupid argument is did Sheffield Untied mislead/ brake the Laws of the FA NO, Did West Ham plead guilty to missleading and braking the FA owns laws (knowingly) YES

End of story lets get rid of this issue its a non starter M Benn

gotta love blades fans. I think sueing is a nonstarter but certainly a ban ls needed. The boy done wrong, simple as that. Ignorance is not an excuse.

gotta love blades fans. I think sueing is a nonstarter but certainly a ban ls needed. The boy done wrong, simple as that. Ignorance is not an excuse.

I'm a Blades fan and if he is found guilty I hope he never plays for us again.
Also you've gotta love the green un owls fans on here who change their stance on law courts being used in football to suit their bias ways.
The passion of the green un supporters on here is astounding.

West Ham also played a player they thought was allowed to play ,until the issues of the paperwork came to light . no difference im afraid.
"

Once is a mistake,west ham did it twice.
Your post is fiction as usual.

heard, but not confirmed yet that it was Ephedrine ( http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/football_league/article6656317.ece ) he either took or it was an ingredient in the mixture, Ephedrine is widely used by gym users country wide its a weight suprecent that boosts your metabolism and gives you a boost...dunno how that can help a chest infection though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephedrine

Once is a mistake,west ham did it twice.
Your post is fiction as usual.

you cant brush this under the carpet and hope it will go away -it wont .

as ive said nothing should go through the courts ,but seeing as the blades opened up a can of worms ,im looking at it from the perspective of others .

a hell of a lot of people out there may be of the opinion ,what goes around ,comes around

gotta love blades fans. I think sueing is a nonstarter but certainly a ban ls needed. The boy done wrong, simple as that. Ignorance is not an excuse.

I think you will be hard pushed to find a Blades fan who doesn't agree.

I'm a Blades fan and if he is found guilty I hope he never plays for us again.
Also you've gotta love the green un owls fans on here who change their stance on law courts being used in football to suit their bias ways.
The passion of the green un supporters on here is astounding.

whether people agree with if teams should be allowed to use law courts or not is irrelavent, we're mereley asking if they have grounds to or not ... it was your lot that started the whole goin to court thing in the first place

there's only one green un owls fan on here! I find that if you put him on your ignore list the threads flow better!

there's only one green un owls fan on here! I find that if you put him on your ignore list the threads flow better!

Good idea.... now done.

Sounds like he has done wrong but I actually feel sorry for him. It was cough medicine and how much of a boost can any drug give a goalkeeper really?

you cant brush this under the carpet and hope it will go away -it wont .

as ive said nothing should go through the courts ,but seeing as the blades opened up a can of worms ,im looking at it from the perspective of others .

a hell of a lot of people out there may be of the opinion ,what goes around ,comes around

Not brushing anything under the carpet, I hope him and anyone who assisted him gets the punishment they deserve.Treat him and everyone else the same.
YOU on the other hand are just trying to stirr trouble up on the forum and then sneak off on to the I'm bored threads when challenged to validate any of your nonsense.

Sounds like he has done wrong but I actually feel sorry for him. It was cough medicine and how much of a boost can any drug give a goalkeeper really?

so we should allow all keepers to take whatever drugs they want because they dont run about as much?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!

there's only one green un owls fan on here! I find that if you put him on your ignore list the threads flow better!

Also now done,
Dave Alenn has aswell.

so we should allow all keepers to take whatever drugs they want because they dont run about as much?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!

To put so many ! and ?'s shows a lack of intelligence.

Anyways, Nekro wasn't stating they should be allowed to take what drugs they want, he was merely stating that it wouldn't have made much - if any difference at all.

so we should allow all keepers to take whatever drugs they want because they dont run about as much?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!

As I said, it looks like he's done wrong. I didn't say he shouldn't be punished - he should be punished in accordance to the rules.

I said I felt sorry for him. Looks like the guy's career could be either over or severely cut down. Big price to pay for taking some cough medicine.

Can we change the name of this thread.

It's not guaranteed that he is out for a season.

And it suggests that it is through injury, rather than him being an ignorant cheat.

Since 2007 four rugby players - two from union and two from league - have all been given two-year bans after testing positive for the substance.

In three of those cases, the players involved took ephedrine tablets before a match, while in the other case, the source of the stimulant was unclear.

Surely the utd medical team were aware of his chest condition...
and i think he's been a proffesional footballer long enough to know any over the counter medicines should be run by the club doctor first. so who's to blame, paddy for being stupid and ignorant or the club for not keeping abreast of his condition in the first place because i dont know about anyone else but when i get a chest infection i cough crap up all day long...how could anyone not have noticed.

To put so many ! and ?'s shows a lack of intelligence.

Anyways, Nekro wasn't stating they should be allowed to take what drugs they want, he was merely stating that it wouldn't have made much - if any difference at all.

are you being serious? Ephedrine assists concentrating to a great extent (not just like havin a red bull before a game) and can aid metabolism - alertness and incresed agility then no? sounds like that would make a big difference to a Goalies performance

there's a reason this substance is banned

Since 2007 four rugby players - two from union and two from league - have all been given two-year bans after testing positive for the substance.

In three of those cases, the players involved took ephedrine tablets before a match, while in the other case, the source of the stimulant was unclear.

Surely the utd medical team were aware of his chest condition...
and i think he's been a proffesional footballer long enough to know any over the counter medicines should be run by the club doctor first. so who's to blame, paddy for being stupid and ignorant or the club for not keeping abreast of his condition in the first place because i dont know about anyone else but when i get a chest infection i cough crap up all day long...how could anyone not have noticed.

It's Paddy Kenny's fault. He should have asked the doctor before taking over the counter medication. A quick phonecall is all it would have taken. Sheffield United are his club, not his mother.

Can we change the name of this thread.

It's not guaranteed that he is out for a season.

And it suggests that it is through injury, rather than him being an ignorant cheat.
i did start a thread saying paddy suspended for drugs this morning but the mods merged it with this one.

Sounds like he has done wrong but I actually feel sorry for him. It was cough medicine and how much of a boost can any drug give a goalkeeper really?

the drug he took opened up his airways to help him breath better ,thus giving him an advantage ,and why tihs drug is banned

the drug he took opened up his airways to help him breath better ,thus giving him an advantage ,and why tihs drug is banned

It might be banned for other reasons but how can it be banned for opening up your airways?

Although I do admit that having your airways open is an advantage.

If your airways were closed, you'd be DEAD. And obviously a dead goalkeeper would be a terrible disadvantage.

As a blade hes let himself the club and every blades fan down. Every sportsman knows the rules and they are there for a reason. One moment of madness may have cost him very very deer. As a blades fan id like the Preston keeper at the lane but knowing are mentaliity we may end up with Mark Bosnich or watford keeper!!!!

i cant see Preston being too willing to let you sign their keeper as they've suffered from your keeper taking bannd substances!!! oh the irony if you signed Lonerghan!

this drug increases stamina and can also help with weight loss

http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/0054.htm

My idea on what will happen when Sheff Utd are on the phone to Preston if they do want to sign their keeper

"Hi there, our keeper took a banned substance that enhanced his performance in the game when we beat you in the Play-Off Semi-Final, potentially depriving you of a place in the Premiership and £60m, but he's been caught and will probably get banned so can we buy your keeper off you now please"

thread title changed- hope its a bit clearer now

Some of you are using the Tevez affair to cloud the issue, when it is a completely unrelated set of circumstances.

If Sheffield United staff supplied Kenny with a banned substance, then there may be cause to fine the club or perhaps even dock points. However, that is clearly not the case.

No player found guilty of using a banned substance has ever seen the club hit with similar sanctions. Clubs cannot control what a player chooses to consume in their free time.

Whether he deliberately took ephedrine or not, Kenny likely faces a lengthy ban and now finds himself in illustrious company:


Mark Bosnich (Chelsea) - 9 month ban, cocaine

Jaap Stam (Lazio) - 5 month ban, nandrolone

Romario (Vasco de Gama) - 4 month ban, finasteride

Adrian Mutu (Chelsea) - 7 month ban + £9.6m fine, cocaine

Edgar Davids (Juventus) - 4 month ban, nandrolone

Fran de Boer (Barcelona) - 3 month ban, nandrolone

Rio Ferdinand (Man Utd) - 8 month ban, missed drugs test

Mohammed Kallon (Internazionale) – 8 month ban, nandrolone

Stan Lazaridis (Perth Glory) - 12 month ban, finasteride

Christophe Dugarry (Barcelona) - 4 month ban, nandrolone

Lee Bowyer (Leeds Utd) - 6 match ban, cannabis

Bernard Lama (Paris SG) - 2 month ban, cannabis

Danny Cadamarteri (Bradford) - 6 month ban, ephedrine

Abel Xavier (Middlesbrough) - 12 month ban, dianabol

Yegor Titov (Spartak Moskow) – 12 month ban, bromantan

Chris Armstrong (Crsytal Palace) - 1 month ban, cannabis

Fernando Couto (Lazio) - 9 month ban, nandrolone

Shaun Newton (West Ham) - 7 month ban, cocaine

Diego Maradona (Sevilla) - 15 month ban, cocaine

Diego Maradona (Boca Juniors) - suspended from internationals, ephedrine

René Higuita (Aucas) – 8 month ban, cocaine

My idea on what will happen when Sheff Utd are on the phone to Preston if they do want to sign their keeper

"Hi there, our keeper took a banned substance that enhanced his performance in the game when we beat you in the Play-Off Semi-Final, potentially depriving you of a place in the Premiership and £60m, but he's been caught and will probably get banned so can we buy your keeper off you now please"

to be a fly on the wall during that conversation :hihi:

It might be banned for other reasons but how can it be banned for opening up your airways?

Although I do admit that having your airways open is an advantage.

If your airways were closed, you'd be DEAD. And obviously a dead goalkeeper would be a terrible disadvantage.

Monty Python at it's best. :D

No its not- its absolute tosh. Your argueing for argueings sake.

Move on.

Come on scott, we've had to put up with the flood posts, ground falling apart posts, painting steps posts, season ticket sales posts, sacking Dooley posts and some still bring up the bribes.

Did you honestly think that you bades were going to come out of this one unscathed? One rule for one, one rule for the other comes to mind.

there's only one green un owls fan on here! I find that if you put him on your ignore list the threads flow better!

There are two, and i have just added them !

On topic, Paddy has been a fool, as a Blade i accept there is no room for drugs of any kind in the game. United need to make an example of him and rightly so.

Speculation only may suggest he has been taking diet pills, not class A.B or C Drugs.

That still does not excuse a high paid sportsman making stupid errors, he is a sportsman and a role model to kids.

Thanks for your service Paddy, but you have to go.

I get the feeling his Missus is involved in this somewhere, she already ruined his International career and got him the micky taken by every set of fans going.

In relation to Nekro138's post
"He's not Ireland's No 1, He's a very naughty boy"

Come on scott, we've had to put up with the flood posts, ground falling apart posts, painting steps posts, season ticket sales posts, sacking Dooley posts and some still bring up the bribes.

Did you honestly thing that you bades were going to come out of this one unscathed? One rule for one, one rule for the other comes to mind.

Oh i don't mind valid arguments- you know don;t :D

But saying that paddy performance was the reason that preston didn't get to the final and then bringing west ham into it- you can see why i think that.

Some of you are using the Tevez affair to cloud the issue, when it is a completely unrelated set of circumstances.

If Sheffield United staff supplied Kenny with a banned substance, then there may be cause to fine the club or perhaps even dock points. However, that is clearly not the case.

No player found guilty of using a banned substance has ever seen the club hit with similar sanctions. Clubs cannot control what a player chooses to consume in their free time.

Whether he deliberately took ephedrine or not, Kenny likely faces a lengthy ban and now finds himself in illustrious company:



Mark Bosnich (Chelsea) - 9 month ban, cocaine

Jaap Stam (Lazio) - 5 month ban, nandrolone

Romario (Vasco de Gama) - 4 month ban, finasteride

Adrian Mutu (Chelsea) - 7 month ban + £9.6m fine, cocaine

Edgar Davids (Juventus) - 4 month ban, nandrolone

Fran de Boer (Barcelona) - 3 month ban, nandrolone

Rio Ferdinand (Man Utd) - 8 month ban, missed drugs test

Mohammed Kallon (Internazionale) – 8 month ban, nandrolone

Stan Lazaridis (Perth Glory) - 12 month ban, finasteride

Christophe Dugarry (Barcelona) - 4 month ban, nandrolone

Lee Bowyer (Leeds Utd) - 6 match ban, cannabis

Bernard Lama (Paris SG) - 2 month ban, cannabis

Danny Cadamarteri (Bradford) - 6 month ban, ephedrine

Abel Xavier (Middlesbrough) - 12 month ban, dianabol

Yegor Titov (Spartak Moskow) – 12 month ban, bromantan

Chris Armstrong (Crsytal Palace) - 1 month ban, cannabis

Fernando Couto (Lazio) - 9 month ban, nandrolone

Shaun Newton (West Ham) - 7 month ban, cocaine

Diego Maradona (Sevilla) - 15 month ban, cocaine

Diego Maradona (Boca Juniors) - suspended from internationals, ephedrine

René Higuita (Aucas) – 8 month ban, cocaine


A real list of "shame" however its factual and informative, not like some trool posts of late. No matter what the outcome, Paddy must go!.

Oh i don't mind valid arguments- you know don;t :D

But saying that paddy performance was the reason that preston didn't get to the final and then bringing west ham into it- you can see why i think that.

but if people on here are thinking that -then obviously ,after the blades own ventures into ther courts ,Preston co;ud well be looking at it the same way

My idea on what will happen when Sheff Utd are on the phone to Preston if they do want to sign their keeper

"Hi there, our keeper took a banned substance that enhanced his performance in the game when we beat you in the Play-Off Semi-Final, potentially depriving you of a place in the Premiership and £60m, but he's been caught and will probably get banned so can we buy your keeper off you now please"

you speak utter crap and are stirring it

you speak utter crap and are stirring it

so he didnt take a banned substance :huh:

Looking at that list , Paddy would have been better to have taken a spliff to help his chill and got a smaller ban.

If anyone had asked me who is most likely to prove positive in a dope test at the Lane, I would have been right, he truly is confirmed as a dope now.

If it is confirmed that he has genuinely taken ephedrine as part of a cough mixture, and that it was clumsiness or bad packaging etc, then some of those bans are no more lengthy than a niggling injury, and at least he can stay fit and sharp for whoever he plays for in the future as opposed to a niggling injury.

Come on scott, we've had to put up with the flood posts, ground falling apart posts, painting steps posts, season ticket sales posts, sacking Dooley posts and some still bring up the bribes.

Did you honestly think that you bades were going to come out of this one unscathed? One rule for one, one rule for the other comes to mind.

Exactly right mate -this is going to run run and run :D

The knives are out in Preston:

http://www.lep.co.uk/

Also, check out the story about the hero mum who tackled the yobs - in her underwear. That's not a hero - if I saw that coming towards me in its underwear I'd run!!

Also, check out the story about the hero mum who tackled the yobs - in her underwear. That's not a hero - if I saw that coming towards me in its underwear I'd run!!

I'm with you on that one

The knives are out in Preston:

http://www.lep.co.uk/

Also, check out the story about the hero mum who tackled the yobs - in her underwear. That's not a hero - if I saw that coming towards me in its underwear I'd run!!

looks like there is a strong surge in preston among the fans .

Oh dear oh dear - Kenny banned always thought something must make him play well lol

you speak utter crap and are stirring it

but thats whats rumoured to be happening

As a blade season ticket holder im well fed up with this,IF he has done wrong then he has to go go simple as that.That said its not the clubs fault if he was too stupid or whatever for not going through the correct procedures.

As a blade season ticket holder im well fed up with this,IF he has done wrong then he has to go go simple as that.That said its not the clubs fault if he was too stupid or whatever for not going through the correct procedures.

unfortunatly, it seems that if an employee is representing the company while under the influence of a banned substance the company can be held responsible to some degree

the sports presenter on look north (that bird with the blokes voice) said all players at all football clubs are warned not to buy over the counter medicines for exactly that reason, they contain prohibited drugs.

makes you wonder if paddys just that thick, or if he's using this as a cover or excuse for actually using the drug. Its all speculation at this point

Why don't people wait to see the results of the tests before whinging and whining!

Its always the same.

Whoever it was that said ephidrine is banned because it opens the airways (MrBenn?) is wrong.

In any event, if this was the first time he had taken ephedrine, (and presuming it was in a pill/cap form rather than the cough syrup), it will have given him a buzz that his team mates and coaching staff will have noticed. Even one or two pills/caps of the stuff can make a huge difference to someone's attitude and demeanor for hours after taking it. Also, if it was the first time, it will have probably have made his performance worse as the "buzz" can be intense...

Hence, it is doubtfull going to be found that it was pills. The amounts in cough syrup are so minimal that it wouldnt have made much difference in performance in terms of metabolism etc, so yeah he may have been able to breath better but does that make much difference to a keeper? Does it hell.

Why don't people wait to see the results of the tests before whinging and whining!

Its always the same.

Whoever it was that said ephidrine is banned because it opens the airways (MrBenn?) is wrong.

In any event, if this was the first time he had taken ephedrine, (and presuming it was in a pill/cap form rather than the cough syrup), it will have given him a buzz that his team mates and coaching staff will have noticed. Even one or two pills/caps of the stuff can make a huge difference to someone's attitude and demeanor for hours after taking it. Also, if it was the first time, it will have probably have made his performance worse as the "buzz" can be intense...

Hence, it is doubtfull going to be found that it was pills. The amounts in cough syrup are so minimal that it wouldnt have made much difference in performance in terms of metabolism etc, so yeah he may have been able to breath better but does that make much difference to a keeper? Does it hell.

results of the tests? well we've got the a and b sample results to go on ...

unfortunatly, it seems that if an employee is representing the company while under the influence of a banned substance the company can be held responsible to some degree

by all acounts that is exactly right

by all acounts that is exactly right

Unless he (to use legal terminology) "went off on a frolic of his own" without the knowledge of the club. Then it is highly unlikely they can be vicariously liable for his actions. Fact. :cool:

by all acounts that is exactly right

thats a few times u've agreed with me recently!!

In any event, if this was the first time he had taken ephedrine, (and presuming it was in a pill/cap form rather than the cough syrup), it will have given him a buzz that his team mates and coaching staff will have noticed.

They didnt noticed his serious chest infection.

They didnt noticed his serious chest infection.

indeed...:suspect: (and im a blade...:roll:)

does anyone know what is classed at being in the workplace etc as regards a footballer/any other sportsmen? is it just training and matches? or anytime of anyday?

do they get payed for just matches and training or is pay on a daily basis

does anyone know what is classed at being in the workplace etc as regards a footballer/any other sportsmen? is it just training and matches? or anytime of anyday?

I would imagine anything in an official capacity,

Training, games, public appearances, team nights out, traveling to away games etc

Unlucky for sheffield united!
He is going to be out at least 6 months, but could go up to 2 years

BREAKING NEWS ON TALKSPORT

FA say unless paddy can prove beyond doubt he took it innocently he`s looking at a 2 year ban

Unless he (to use legal terminology) "went off on a frolic of his own" without the knowledge of the club. Then it is highly unlikely they can be vicariously liable for his actions. Fact. :cool:

Other way round I'm afraid.

Unless he was on a frolic of his own, they're vicariously liable.

Actually I'm not sure whether that's what you were saying. Sorry, I may be mis-reading you.

thats a few times u've agreed with me recently!!

Be carefull when bending down :suspect::suspect:

you speak utter crap and are stirring it

Blades on this forum would be having a field day if it was one of our players, but it isn't is it? You lot like dishing it out but cry like babies when you get it back.

Be prepared for the cost of the Kleenex tissues, you couldn't make it up, could you? :hihi:

Blades on this forum would be having a field day if it was one of our players, but it isn't is it? You lot like dishing it out but cry like babies when you get it back.

Be prepared for the cost of the Kleenex tissues, you couldn't make it up, could you? :hihi:

Don't worry we will when it is one of your players, you always copy ;)

Has anyone noticed that not one blade says he shouldn't be punished but looking at what the wendy are putting out all of us recon he did nothing

BTW im 1 of those who think he was stupid and deserves a life ban

Statement from Sheffield United
Posted on: Tue 07 Jul 2009

Sheffield United has suspended goalkeeper Paddy Kenny after the player was notified he had failed a drugs test.

The Club has taken the action - part of our standard procedures - after last month's outcome of the tests, carried out by UK Sport, the agency responsible for drug testing programmes in sport.

A Sheffield United spokesman said: "We can confirm that Paddy Kenny has been suspended by the Club. This is an ongoing, confidential matter and as such we are unable to comment further."

Can some of the people on here try the same until the hearing

there is now a facebook group set up . search for "fairness in football " on facebook

Well blunty, we're used to being deep in the brown stuff, we've seen most things, but this one is unique to you lot. Enjoy, we will milk this for all it's worth.

Any comment on the flood, painting steps or our 13,000 current ST sales? :hihi:

Ah painting steps, Us Blades know a bloke needing a summer job, he's good with his hands

Well blunty, we're used to being deep in the brown stuff, we've seen most things, but this one is unique to you lot. Enjoy, we will milk this for all it's worth.

Any comment on the flood, painting steps or our 13,000 current ST sales? :hihi:

they seem to have all retreated back into their shells fella .

this one has been worth waiting for and we will enjoy :D

there is now a facebook group set up . search for "fairness in football " on facebook

I just got something about Tevez. :(

I just got something about Tevez. :(

sent you a PM mate with a link -noy posting it here as its full of swearing

Sounds like he has done wrong but I actually feel sorry for him. It was cough medicine and how much of a boost can any drug give a goalkeeper really?
If he has taken it innocently then I do aswell. The amount of the drug in cough medicine must surely be so minimal that'll it'll make virtually no difference?

If on the other hand he's found to have been taking the pills then he deserves everything he gets.

If it is a mistake though then a 2 year ban is extremely harsh when you consider the likes of Mark Bosnich only got 9 months for taking cocaine and Rio Ferdinand got 8 months for completely missing a drugs test.

BREAKING NEWS ON TALKSPORT

FA say unless paddy can prove beyond doubt he took it innocently he`s looking at a 2 year ban

Taken from teamtalk

Kenny, 31, will now be subject to a disciplinary inquiry by the Football Association, and will face an independent regulatory commission.

Most drug offenses uncovered by in-competition tests carry an automatic two-year ban but ephedrine is a "specified substance" under the World Anti-Doping Agency code, which means there is the potential for a more lenient punishment - possible sanctions range from a reprimand up to a two-year suspension.

IMO if he can prove he only took it for pure medicinal purposes & not to enhance is already extreme obese attempts at goalkeeping then he'll probably get a 3 month ban starting from the date the blunts suspended him

sent you a PM mate with a link -noy posting it here as its full of swearing

Rubbish,your stirring things as per usual.

Rubbish,your stirring things as per usual.

He really has sent me the link. Sorry to disappoint.

Rubbish,your stirring things as per usual.

he asked for a link to a facebook group -thats all ,but the group page contains swearing ,so against forum rules on here -hence why a pm`d it to him -simples

Well blunty, we're used to being deep in the brown stuff, we've seen most things, but this one is unique to you lot. Enjoy, we will milk this for all it's worth.

Any comment on the flood, painting steps or our 13,000 current ST sales? :hihi:

A man like yourself resorting to calling people blunty,you really do make a fool of yourself sometimes.
Paddy having a cough mixture will take nothing away from the dilema down at hillsborough.

I just got something about Tevez. :(

Anything about Dave Allen on there?

he asked for a link to a facebook group -thats all ,but the group page contains swearing ,so against forum rules on here -hence why a pm`d it to him -simples

If anyone enters "fairness in football" into the search on facebook there's the one group set up by Blades in regard to the Tevez affair.You're a blatant **** stirrer Mr Benn.

If anyone enters "fairness in football" into the search on facebook there's the one group set up by Blades in regard to the Tevez affair.You're a blatant ****
stirrer Mr Benn.

Which is exactly what I said, and exactly why Mr Benn sent me the correct link.

I'm confused. What don't you get here?

Anything about Dave Allen on there?

Not on the one I found when I typed "fairness in football". Just some girl moaning about the one-man-team that is Carlos Tevez. Mr Benn kindly sent me the link he was talking about.

Some people are not interested in fairness in anything,justy a linching.
Whatever hapens in this case will not be enough for the green un mob.

Which is exactly what I said, and exactly why Mr Benn sent me the correct link.

I'm confused. What don't you get here?

Could you send me this link please?,that will stop any confusion.

Could you send me this link please?,that will stop any confusion.

Can I post it on here? Admin?

Just to say if anyone finds it, there's a guy on there with "moose" in his name. That's not me.

A man like yourself resorting to calling people blunty,you really do make a fool of yourself sometimes.
Paddy having a cough mixture will take nothing away from the dilema down at hillsborough.

As a retort to 'pig', I thought it quite calm, but of course you lot have one rule and we have another, don't we?

And a bit of advice, If you want to have a battle of wits with me, you would be well advised to acquire some ammunition. And never ever refer to people as fools, if you want to meet one, surely you have a mirror. ;)

Could you send me this link please?,that will stop any confusion.

im quite happy to PM you the link-PM`d you the link

As a retort to 'pig', I thought it quite calm, but of course you lot have one rule and we have another, don't we?

And a bit of advice, If you want to have a battle of wits with me, you would be well advised to acquire some ammunition. And never ever refer to people as fools, if you want to meet one, surely you have a mirror. ;)

There you go again insulting people and thinking yourself aloof to anyone who does not agree with you.
Calling people blunty is a childish reaction in any form but what makes it ironic is how you told everyone how to press the report button if anyone insulted them personally.
Now thats double standards old chap.
PS I haven't taken youe advice.

im quite happy to PM you the link-PM`d you the link

You sent it me slightly wrong, before you get moaned at by someone else. The group ID was right though so a little cutting and pasting sorted it. :)

im quite happy to PM you the link

It does'nt matter,I'm logging off because my 3 year old wants to play tiddlywinks.I'll probably get more sense from her anyway.Goodnight.

You sent it me slightly wrong, before you get moaned at by someone else. The group ID was right though so a little cutting and pasting sorted it. :)

ive sent websters the direct link from the facebook page -sorry about that mate

Well blunty, we're used to being deep in the brown stuff, we've seen most things, but this one is unique to you lot. Enjoy, we will milk this for all it's worth.

Any comment on the flood, painting steps or our 13,000 current ST sales? :hihi:


Why is drugs in football unique, did a Wednesday youth team player not die from popping an e?

Paddy has been a silly boy but i don't think he's clever enough to be a drugs cheat.

3 month ban tops.

There you go again insulting people and thinking yourself aloof to anyone who does not agree with you.
Calling people blunty is a childish reaction in any form but what makes it ironic is how you told everyone how to press the report button if anyone insulted them personally.
Now thats double standards old chap.
PS I haven't taken youe advice.

You call people fools, possibly a report offence, but blunty certainly isn't. Do what you wish, press the report button, it's a free country. Now unless you have something to offer other than complete boredom, thank you and goodnight. :confused:

Paddy has been a silly boy but i don't think he's clever enough to be a drugs cheat.



I think thats where the problem lies

You call people fools, possibly a report offence, but blunty certainly isn't. Do what you wish, press the report button, it's a free world. Now unless you have something to offer other than complete boredom, thank you and goodnight. :confused:

Your posts last night were quite informative,tonight they excell in foolishness.
Pressing the report button for getting as good as you give is your game remember your post.
On topic.
Yes Paddy is suspended and no one knows the extent of his offence yet.
Oh yes,sleep tight.:roll:.

Your posts last night were quite informative,tonight they excell in foolishness.
Pressing the report button for getting as good as you give is your game remember your post.
On topic.
Yes Paddy is suspended and no one knows the extent of his offence yet.
Oh yes,sleep tight.:roll:.

There are some posters who are completely incompatible with each other, you along with BB, alex and stockers are incompatible with me. So get off of my case, last post to you, don't waste your time. Now back to my foolishness.

good for sheffield united but what happens when you come to vs preston?

There are some posters who are completely incompatible with each other, you along with BB, alex and stockers are incompatible with me. So get off of my case, last post to you, don't waste your time. Now back to my foolishness.

Last week you said you thought I was stockers.
They must get to you.
Anyway if we are not compatible I will have to cancel my new hat,ah well never mind.
UP THE BLADES.

It appears to be confirmed that the drug in question was ephedrine.

If the amount of ephedrine is consistent with him having taken a cough syrup, it couldn't possibly have affected his performance and he will likely get a minimal ban - or possibly, no ban at all. (I've never understood why they put ephedrine in the cough syrups at all, since the amounts are so tiny they can't possibly help to cure your cough. I don't suppose they explain that to the customers, though...)

If, on the other hand, it's consistent with him taking ephedrine tablets (and they will be able to tell), he'll be out for two years.

The club will be under no threat of sanction, since there is no reason to suppose the club knew he was taking it - and less than no reason to suppose that it was on their instructions.

Why is drugs in football unique, did a Wednesday youth team player not die from popping an e?

Paddy has been a silly boy but i don't think he's clever enough to be a drugs cheat.

3 month ban tops.

But that's a wendy player

It appears to be confirmed that the drug in question was ephedrine.

If the amount of ephedrine is consistent with him having taken a cough syrup, it couldn't possibly have affected his performance and he will likely get a minimal ban - or possibly, no ban at all. (I've never understood why they put ephedrine in the cough syrups at all, since the amounts are so tiny they can't possibly help to cure your cough. I don't suppose they explain that to the customers, though...)

If, on the other hand, it's consistent with him taking ephedrine tablets (and they will be able to tell), he'll be out for two years.

The club will be under no threat of sanction, since there is no reason to suppose the club knew he was taking it - and less than no reason to suppose that it was on their instructions.

Should in that case be a life ban for anyone

been surfing and found that this story aint just confined to debate among sheffield football fans . as well as the facebook group that appeared earlier today ,it seems many many people are taking a big interest in this .

Should in that case be a life ban for anyone

I'd support that argument, but the current rules do not. Two years is the mandatory sentence.

A cheat never prospers !

mr benn can you but a link up

mr benn can you but a link up

im not posting the facebook link as it has swearing on the group page , there are a couple of articles here

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1198012/Sheffield-United-suspend-keeper-Kenny-Irish-stars-failed-drugs-test.html

http://www.kumb.com/story.php?id=124281

im not a blades fan before i say owt, i know paddy personally and would say he wouldnt do owt like that knowingly he treasures his job an the blades,so b4 everyone gets on there high horse stop readin the crap thats goin on about him

ive got some lemsip sachets at home like most of u will they contain a derivertive of the substance thats made him fail the test

Looking at that list , Paddy would have been better to have taken a spliff to help his chill and got a smaller ban.

If anyone had asked me who is most likely to prove positive in a dope test at the Lane, I would have been right, he truly is confirmed as a dope now.

If it is confirmed that he has genuinely taken ephedrine as part of a cough mixture, and that it was clumsiness or bad packaging etc, then some of those bans are no more lengthy than a niggling injury, and at least he can stay fit and sharp for whoever he plays for in the future as opposed to a niggling injury.

He hasn't been judged, yet, and we don't know what "sentence" has been handed down, as yet, because we don't know the circumstances, nor the details of the amounts found.

Yes, if Paddy has taken an OTC remedy which contains the banned substance, rather than going through the club doctor, and getting a medicine that doesn't contain it, he's been very foolish, and should suck it up and take the punishment given.(which will hopefully be proportionate).

does anyone know what is classed at being in the workplace etc as regards a footballer/any other sportsmen? is it just training and matches? or anytime of anyday?

Apparently any professional sports person can be called at any time to provide a random drugs-test sample, whether they are at home, at a game, or in training.

If he has taken it innocently then I do aswell. The amount of the drug in cough medicine must surely be so minimal that'll it'll make virtually no difference?

If on the other hand he's found to have been taking the pills then he deserves everything he gets.

If it is a mistake though then a 2 year ban is extremely harsh when you consider the likes of Mark Bosnich only got 9 months for taking cocaine and Rio Ferdinand got 8 months for completely missing a drugs test.

Again, he hasn't been handed any punishment as of yet.

Hopefully the tests will show that it was just a slip-up, and the punishment will be proportionate to the "crime"; and, maybe, he will learn his lesson.

ive got some lemsip sachets at home like most of u will they contain a derivertive of the substance thats made him fail the test

:nod: which is why it's so important that, if you are going to be subjected to drug-testing, you need to go through your club doctor to ensure that what you are given for any condition is not going to contain the banned substances.

I don't think Kenny took it knowingly. I hope he doesn't get banned, he's a decent bloke and had a rough ride in the last few years. Always takes the grief from Wednesday fans in good jest and even clapped the Kop and us in the away end at the lane.

Plain talker.
Sorry, I used the wrong tense, I meant get.
My mistake.

paddy dun nowt rong jealosy springs to mind, wunt you lot be happy at no1

paddy dun nowt rong jealosy springs to mind, wunt you lot be happy at no1

I don't want him to get banned, he's a decent bloke. Blade or not, if its a genuine mistake then I hope he doesn't get punished.

Apparently any professional sports person can be called at any time to provide a random drugs-test sample, whether they are at home, at a game, or in training.


Out-of-competition, they are required to specify a place at which they will be available if required for at least one hour of every day. (They can choose which hour, I believe.) So it's not 24/7 availability, but it is seven-day-a-week.

I'm not sure what counts as "out of competition" for a footballer, whose season lasts for up to ten months but who will only actually be playing on perhaps fifty days during that season. I'm also not entirely sure that FIFA has signed up to this code; they were arguing about it, the last I heard. If the FA has its own, different rules, I don't know what they are.

paddy dun nowt rong jealosy springs to mind, wunt you lot be happy at no1

Sorry to disagree,

But yes he has.

He has taken a banned substance (whether knowingly is debateable) and should be dealt with accordingly.

If he wants to be naive enough to take medication not authorised by a club doctor then sadly that is his fault.

As a Wednesday fan i find this such a load of crap! What happened to common sense? The banned substances must be as long as my arm, it was just some cough medicine for gods sake! Not as though he gave himself a shot of whizz juice!!! (whizz juice? just made that up, but sounds like it would get banned for definate! :hihi:)

whizz juice- ooo where can you get that from- sounds awesome!! :D :D

Ignorance of the law is no excuse... just ask an MP.

:rolleyes:

As a Wednesday fan i find this such a load of crap! What happened to common sense? The banned substances must be as long as my arm, it was just some cough medicine for gods sake! Not as though he gave himself a shot of whizz juice!!! (whizz juice? just made that up, but sounds like it would get banned for definate! :hihi:)

Casper I totally agree the way some of your fans are going on taking cough medicine is a worse crime than what Garry Glitter, Ian Huntley or Myra Hindley did

All at the moment you can say if it was cough medecine is that he was stupid and a (short) ban is in order (if that)

If it was Something more then in my and others view it needs punishing to the maximum

The only people on here thinking other than that are certain of your fans
Its OK for banter but this is turning into a kangaroo court

At the Moment ALL that has happened is that:-

a) it is reported that he has failed a drug test (I always thought there were 2 samples and in none of the reports does it say which it is 1 or 2)

b) SUFC have suspended him until further notice (a legal obligation )

c) He is to face a FA board

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty

As a Wednesday fan i find this such a load of crap! What happened to common sense? The banned substances must be as long as my arm, it was just some cough medicine for gods sake!


There have been times in the past where, if it was clear that the "banned substance" came from, say, a cough mixture and clearly wouldn't have had any impact at all on performance, the athlete would get away with a warning, or a fine at most. Times are harsher nowadays, but many sports still do not impose a full two-year ban for those examples. Many others, though, have a mandatory maximum sentence no matter what the offence, their argument being that quantity, or effect, of the drug is irrelevant; you took something illegal, pay the penalty.

I'm not sure which will apply here. FIFA was, and as far as I know still is, involved in multiple disputes with WADA about the enforcement of drug offences.

At the Moment ALL that has happened is that:-

a) it is reported that he has failed a drug test (I always thought there were 2 samples and in none of the reports does it say which it is 1 or 2)



Assuming that the reporting is reasonable and accurate (and that's a very risky assumption with the media nowadays) ... then "failed a drugs test" should mean that both the A and the B sample have shown positive. Not until the B sample has also been tested, can the test be said to have been failed.

Still assuming the accuracy of the reports, then the FA hearing will not be to establish guilt, but merely to decide an appropriate punishment. If the reports are NOT accurate and only the A sample has so far been tested, then everything you say is absolutely correct.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse... just ask an MP.

:rolleyes:

As far as i can see no one has said that all the united fans are saying is let common sense prevail

Yes he failed a drug test

Was it cough medicine if so he is guilty of stupidity and should be punished accordingly

If it was something else then yes he should be punished to the max allowed

Assuming that the reporting is reasonable and accurate (and that's a very risky assumption with the media nowadays) ... then "failed a drugs test" should mean that both the A and the B sample have shown positive. Not until the B sample has also been tested, can the test be said to have been failed.

Still assuming the accuracy of the reports, then the FA hearing will not be to establish guilt, but merely to decide an appropriate punishment. If the reports are NOT accurate and only the A sample has so far been tested, then everything you say is absolutely correct.

in that case I apologize about the first part getting it wrong I meant to say both instead of 2 and I agree that about the second

Both samples have come back positive. A and B

whizz juice- ooo where can you get that from- sounds awesome!! :D :D

Lmao.....I'll be in touch :hihi:

Ignorance of the law is no excuse... just ask an MP.

:rolleyes:

WOW! You really can turn any thread into a MP bashing, politically biased thread. Well done Urien, it's a skill you know.

It's just going to be a waiting game now, the story has already gone off BBC Football's front page.

Both samples have come back positive. A and B

I'm pleased to find that my assumption was correct; I shouldn't really have made it without checking further (as I explained above, the media aren't always reliably accurate.)

In which case, his guilt is a matter of known fact, and only the scale of the punishment is to be decided.

I'm pleased to find that my assumption was correct; I shouldn't really have made it without checking further (as I explained above, the media aren't always reliably accurate.)

In which case, his guilt is a matter of known fact, and only the scale of the punishment is to be decided.

the four rugby players that tested positive for this in 2007 all recieved 2 year bans .

the four rugby players that tested positive for this in 2007 all recieved 2 year bans .

But that was for abuse of the banned substance rather than it been in their body through a third party drug used for coughs and colds.....come on Mr B, massaging the facts to suit your own agenda is childs play.

Danny Cadamarteri recieved a 6 month ban for an identical offence which i fully expect Paddy to recieve, once they realise he's as daft as a brush the ban maybe reduced to 3 months.

Once again come of our Wednesday friends are making mountains out of molehills.

Paddy was a silly boy for taking to cough medicine and should have contacted the club doctor before doing so but he's no drug cheat.

You have to love warnock, she said yesterday "paddy isn't a cheat, he's just a bit thick" :hihi:

But that was for abuse of the banned substance rather than it been in their body through a third party drug used for coughs and colds...


Three were; the source of the ephedrine in the fourth was never determined. (I have not read how much of it was present.)

There are numerous examples of people found to have taken illegal cough-medicine who have received negligible, or even no, bans; but some have been lumped with two years.

But that was for abuse of the banned substance rather than it been in their body through a third party drug used for coughs and colds.....come on Mr B, massaging the facts to suit your own agenda is childs play.



one of the four took a sudefed tablet for a cold ,but was still given a two year ban
please read the facts here
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/Sheffield-United39s-Paddy-Kenny-fails.5434769.jp

You lot like dishing it out but cry like babies when you get it back.

ironic post of the year :hihi::hihi:

good luck paddy. lets hope those up top realise it was just a bit of the old cough stuff and not columbian marching powder like some are trying to make out.

the only facts we have are he failed both A and B tests
the blades say it was a cough medicine -but we only have their word for it ,we will have to see what happens .
ive every faith in the good people at the FA handing down the correct punishment . i doubt they will have a point to prove after the west ham issue -they wouldnt be that petty ,would they :huh:

can we PLEASE leave west ham out of this everyone- it has nothing to do with paddy kennys suspension.

a)the only facts we have are he failed both A and B tests
b) the blades say it was a cough medicine -but we only have their word for it ,we will have to see what happens .
ive every faith in the good people at the FA handing down the correct punishment . i doubt they will have a point to prove after the west ham issue -they wouldnt be that petty ,would they :huh:

Once again just enough of the truth a)

http://www.thestar.co.uk/blades/Sheffield-United-suspend-keeper-Kenny.5434268.jp

SHEFFIELD United have suspended Paddy Kenny for failing a drugs test.
The goalkeeper tested positive for a banned substance - believed to come from an over-the-counter cough medicine

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/sheff_utd/8137680.stm

Ephedrine is believed to be present in a cough mixture that the Republic of Ireland player bought over the counter, BBC Radio Sheffield understands.

Neither article given to either company by SUFC or blades fans

Ive hear the Owls chairman is on drugs













dope

Ive hear the Owls chairman is on drugs













dope

no mate just high on all the paint fumes :hihi:

There are some posters who are completely incompatible with each other, you along with BB, alex and stockers are incompatible with me.

so why pm me to ask me whats been going on.. :suspect:

chatted to alex yesterday on another website. he's over in malta for the blades tour. sends his best wishes to all blades. pity he cant post anymore would be good to hear first hand about the tour and uniteds performance's . ah well have to buy a green un :hihi:

all blades arnt we.

Once again just enough of the truth a)

http://www.thestar.co.uk/blades/Sheffield-United-suspend-keeper-Kenny.5434268.jp

SHEFFIELD United have suspended Paddy Kenny for failing a drugs test.
The goalkeeper tested positive for a banned substance - believed to come from an over-the-counter cough medicine

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/sheff_utd/8137680.stm

Ephedrine is believed to be present in a cough mixture that the Republic of Ireland player bought over the counter, BBC Radio Sheffield understands.

Neither article given to either company by SUFC or blades fans

are you with me in being confident the FA will make the correct judgement ?

This is quite a barmy story actually, i saw Paddy Kenny a few week's back and i was shocked how much weight he had lost.
Troubled time's for him at the moment.

are you with me in being confident the FA will make the correct judgement ?

Yes i am confident as the punishments are there to be followed there are only 3 things they can do

small censure slap on the hand not likely but you never know

small ban 3-9 months more likely or

2 year ban unlikely

if what has been said is true then the middle one is favorite
Even the FA couldn't mess it up ..........................................could they

Any of you lad's seen this yet?????????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GckHE1Ieas

Any of you lad's seen this yet?????????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GckHE1Ieas

brilliant :hihi::hihi::hihi:

i was going to go sufring for some paddy funnies mi sen tonight -you beat me too it :D

West Ham also played a player they thought was allowed to play ,until the issues of the paperwork came to light . no difference im afraid.

The blades fans can say the two cases are different till the cows come home ,the fact is both teams fielded a player that shouldnt have been playing .
"

The difference being that united have suspended him straight away rather than lying and cheatings their way through a sham of an enquiry .

brilliant :hihi::hihi::hihi:

i was going to go sufring for some paddy funnies mi sen tonight -you beat me too it :D

It made me chuckle but then I remembered what they say about simple things and simple minds.

Oh dear .... :shakes:

Let's hope Preston don't resort to the courts ..... then again ... Yeah .... give 'em some of our money. :hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi:

Form an orderly queue behind Hume.

:D

brilliant :hihi::hihi::hihi:

i was going to go sufring for some paddy funnies mi sen tonight -you beat me too it :D

I'm surprised you found that funny due to the obscene language that can be clearly heard.This is a family forum as you keep saying but your double standards are by now world renowned.

Oh dear .... :shakes:

Let's hope Preston don't resort to the courts ..... then again ... Yeah .... give 'em some of our money. :hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi:

Form an orderly queue behind Hume.

:D

Strange how nothing came of the Hume case just like nothing will come from this one; there is a big difference between an individual making an error of judgement and a club lying and cheating their way in to a place in the premiership

Took you lot 2 years to chisel some money (and that was only due to our owner's financial slump & him needing to sell up) so who's to say it's over?

I like Kenny - good keeper IMO - but this is priceless.
If Karma exists, Burnley was a result but McCabe's refusal to accept a decision (April 2007) is really starting to pay him back tenfold ....

"Justice for Preston!!"

(& Hume)

:hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi:

Oh dear .... :shakes:

Let's hope Preston don't resort to the courts ..... then again ... Yeah .... give 'em some of our money. :hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi:

Form an orderly queue behind Hume.

:D

evening mate hows you- ironic aint it

"Justice for Preston!!"

(& Hume)

:hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi:

Please tell me this is a wind up, cant you see the wood for the trees or are you just taking the p….

evening mate hows you- ironic aint it

Bound to happen ... just bound to ... :hihi:

What goes around .... :partyhat:

Please tell me this is a wind up, cant you see the wood for the trees or are you just taking the p….
he's a shammer fan

Bound to happen ... just bound to ... :hihi:

What goes around .... :partyhat:

Exactly right my friend -Karma

Strange how nothing came of the Hume case just like nothing will come from this one; there is a big difference between an individual making an error of judgement and a club lying and cheating their way in to a place in the premiership

You'll never convince him only got one view and its a shammer one
search for a thread titled

The Tarnished Image Of Sheffield Football

Exactly right my friend -Karma

Oh dear,different organ grinder,same old monkey.

Strange how nothing came of the Hume case just like nothing will come from this one; there is a big difference between an individual making an error of judgement and a club lying and cheating their way in to a place in the premiership

By your logic, your keeper's use of ILLEGAL substances ('cheating') helped his team's way through a Play-Off Semi-Final and that's okay is it?

By Griffiths' logic, one man CAN super-humanly & single-handedly boost a team?

All familiar?

Oh dear .... Justice for Preston. :hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi:

Up The Hammers !!

I suppose you could say that when an athlete gets caught for drugs he get's stripped of anything he or she has won or qualified for, you know where this is going like lol.

I suppose you could say that when an athlete gets caught for drugs he get's stripped of anything he or she has won or qualified for, you know where this is going like lol.

Well they've dragged our name through the brown stuff for long enough ..... funny how things turn out innit? :hihi:

<Cue loads of defending the indefensible a la Morgan's elbow .... "Yeah but it's different you see because zzzzzzzzz " > :hihi::hihi:

Bound to happen ... just bound to ... :hihi:

What goes around .... :partyhat:

We dont mind, keep them pounds coming?

We dont mind, keep them pounds coming?

Looks like yer gonna need 'em? :P

By your logic, your keeper's use of ILLEGAL substances ('cheating') helped his team's way through a Play-Off Semi-Final

If, as is believed, it was from a cough medicine, then no it didn't. The quantities involved are so excessively tiny that they'd have no benefit whatsoever.

Why OUR club isn't sruggling financially.
Perhaps you should look a little closer to your s6 buddies for that.
Correct me if i am wrong but aren't your players starting to want away momma?

If, as is believed, it was from a cough medicine, then no it didn't. The quantities involved are so excessively tiny that they'd have no benefit whatsoever.

Yet failed on the A & B samples? :o

Answer one thing - illegal or not?

.....






Thought so.

Why OUR club isn't sruggling financially.
Perhaps you should look a little closer to your s6 buddies for that.
Correct me if i am wrong but aren't your players starting to want away momma?

Nice deflecting but no.... everyone is radiantly happy. :hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi:

Junior & kids tops have the Bobby Moore Cancer Fund on again, the Owls have the Children's and we're both (apparently) close to financial oblivion. ;)

Nice deflecting but no.... everyone is radiantly happy. :hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi:

Junior & kids tops have the Bobby Moore Cancer Fund on again, the Owls have the Children's and we're both (apparently) close to financial oblivion. ;)

Why didn't you answer the question?
You are having a dig so i returned.
It is pleasing to see clubs donating their shirt fronts to charities, totally behind it. The point you are missing though and i am only assuming this is that you couldn't get a worthwhile sponsor.
Dont know much about the finances at s6 then do we?

Why didn't you answer the question?
You are having a dig so i returned.
It is pleasing to see clubs donating their shirt fronts to charities, totally behind it. The point you are missing though and i am only assuming this is that you couldn't get a worthwhile sponsor.
Dont know much about the finances at s6 then do we?

The adult shirts have the betting firm again. :cool:
The 'dig' was just a polite response to all the garbage and bile hurled at mine these last 2 years. ;)

I think the 'Children's' gesture (despite their current financial plight) is far better than the Visit Maltby or whatever .... does McCabe have hotels there or something? :rolleyes:

Anyway, gonna love ya & leave ya .... ;)

Remember, laughter is the best medicine .... maybe Kenny should've taken that instead? :huh:

Laters. :thumbsup:

:wave:

Nice deflecting but no.... everyone is radiantly happy. :hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi:

Junior & kids tops have the Bobby Moore Cancer Fund on again, the Owls have the Children's and we're both (apparently) close to financial oblivion. ;)

the Bobby Moore fund is a very worthwhile charity

Yet failed on the A & B samples? :o

Answer one thing - illegal or not?


You already know the answer to that. I was correcting a quite different claim that you made a few posts ago.

Paul Walker says on Radio Sheffield this morning that he believes Kenny was suffering from a chest infection, and took the substance in order to be fit for the play off semi final.

The items he took contained a banned substance which opens the airways, assisting breathing (which in turn assists the sufferer in their recovery). This is why it is banned.

So you have to ask the question:

'did United benefit from Paddy Kenny taking a banned substance?'.

I believe the answer is yes, as taking this enabled him to be fit enough to play in the semi final. Which United were successful in.

Now, to apply similar logic to that which has floated around for the last few years (i.e. if Carlos Tevez hadn't played for West Ham, they would have been relegated), if Kenny hadn't have played in the semi final, United would have lost.

Therefore, through Kenny's deliberate misuse of banned substances, Preston were denied the opportunity to compete in the play off final (apply same logic as before) which they would probably won. Therefore Preston are within their rights to sue United (and or Kenny) for lost Premiership revenue. Or at least the revenue that a play off final would have generated them (oh dear, the Tevez situation bites united on the ass again!).

Replayed games. Abandoned games. Drug misuse. Wherever there is embarrassing controversy there is Sheffield United.

A Classic:hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi:

It might be banned for other reasons but how can it be banned for opening up your airways?

Although I do admit that having your airways open is an advantage.

If your airways were closed, you'd be DEAD. And obviously a dead goalkeeper would be a terrible disadvantage.

quality reply :D

The 'dig' was just a polite response to all the garbage and bile hurled at mine these last 2 years. ;)

yep to be fair mate 25 million proves it was'nt garbage and bile.

dont forget the next payment theres a good chap.

all blades arnt we.

Why didn't you answer the question?
You are having a dig so i returned.
It is pleasing to see clubs donating their shirt fronts to charities, totally behind it. The point you are missing though and i am only assuming this is that you couldn't get a worthwhile sponsor.
Dont know much about the finances at s6 then do we?

i would say the bobby moore fund and the childrens hospital are very worthwhile sponsors

All Owls Arn`t We

Of course they are worth while charities.
The reason that wendy donated their shirt fronts is either for media attention or lack of sponsorship, simples.

Of course they are worth while charities.
The reason that wendy donated their shirt fronts is either for media attention or lack of sponsorship, simples.

Actually it's not.

There are other reasons that shall become clear in due course. The Wandisco story on the Star, unusually for the Star, is actually very relevant.

You will see. I'd fully expect posts of "you sound like lee strafford" and so on, but I don't mind that. :)

PS It's WEDNESDAY. WEDNESDAY. "wendy" is the most pathetic insult ever. It's not even funny, and a 6 year old could be more inventive. Same goes for "blunt". Those two words make me ashamed to be a Sheffield football fan. Insults and banter are one thing, and absolutely fine - if they look like 6 year olds came up with them, that's a bit sad really. Pigs isn't much better, but it's at least a reasonable insult.

There are other reasons that shall become clear in due course. The Wandisco story on the Star, unusually for the Star, is actually very relevant.

PS It's WEDNESDAY. WEDNESDAY. "wendy" is the most pathetic insult ever. It's not even funny, and a 6 year old could be more inventive. Same goes for "blunt". Those two words make me ashamed to be a Sheffield football fan. Insults and banter are one thing, and absolutely fine - if they look like 6 year olds came up with them, that's a bit sad really. Pigs isn't much better, but it's at least a reasonable insult.[/QUOTE]

Yes of course its relevant, you get some company to sponsor a shirt and its forgotten unless its something ridiculous or very prestigeous. You have a charity and the comparisons with Barca then it becomes very media friendly.
As for you lot been called wendy, get a life.

As for you lot been called wendy, get a life.

Yes, it's such a funny insult. Well done.

The fact that my 6 year old niece could come up with better shows what level you're at. Good work. Actually, judging by the spelling in your post, I don't need to comment further. Being, not been. Being.

By the way, I have a great life, and wouldn't want to get a different one, but thanks for checking. :cool:

anyway people- back in paddy-kenny-land! ;)

anyway people- back in paddy-kenny-land! ;)

Agreed mate. :)

Is there a timescale on all this do we know? When are the official results/ban details likely to come out?

Well they've dragged our name through the brown stuff for long enough ..... funny how things turn out innit? :hihi:

<Cue loads of defending the indefensible a la Morgan's elbow .... "Yeah but it's different you see because zzzzzzzzz " > :hihi::hihi:

Since Mr McCabe is so keen on justice and fairness in football, even to the point of seeing results decided in courtrooms, then he can have no complaints if Preston similarly follow suit.

If, as is believed, it was from a cough medicine, then no it didn't. The quantities involved are so excessively tiny that they'd have no benefit whatsoever.

Surely they'd be able to tell from the tests the quantity of the banned substance in his system. If it's purely an amount consistent with a few doses of cough medicine then fair enough he's been daft and I'd expect probably anything up to a 6 month ban.

If it's large quantities which would indicate deliberate abuse, then he'd get the maximum punishment possible. Not insinuating anything here (well maybe a bit!) but he's lost a lot of weight over the last couple of years hasn't he? One of the "benefits" of this banned substance is that it's an appetite supressant.

[QUOTE=Moosey;5190202]Yes, it's such a funny insult. Well done.

The fact that my 6 year old niece could come up with better shows what level you're at. Good work. Actually, judging by the spelling in your post, I don't need to comment further. Being, not been. Being.

Well done to you also, didn't manage to answer anything that i mentioned though did you.
Even my 2 year old neice could have done that.:thumbsup:

Surely they'd be able to tell from the tests the quantity of the banned substance in his system. If it's purely an amount consistent with a few doses of cough medicine then fair enough he's been daft and I'd expect probably anything up to a 6 month ban.

If it's large quantities which would indicate deliberate abuse, then he'd get the maximum punishment possible. Not insinuating anything here (well maybe a bit!) but he's lost a lot of weight over the last couple of years hasn't he? One of the "benefits" of this banned substance is that it's an appetite supressant.

Totally agree.
If it is the former i dont see why he should get a ban at all. A suspended ban maybe. It all depends on how much of a difference it makes to the system.

[QUOTE=Moosey;5190202]Yes, it's such a funny insult. Well done.

The fact that my 6 year old niece could come up with better shows what level you're at. Good work. Actually, judging by the spelling in your post, I don't need to comment further. Being, not been. Being.

Well done to you also, didn't manage to answer anything that i mentioned though did you.
Even my 2 year old neice could have done that.:thumbsup:

Didn't see a question to be honest - no question marks, and just a statement that I thought didn't need answering!

Still, good work on the 2 year old niece - clearly gifted. I hope she does very well. Good to see gifted children with all the idiots that seem to be breeding in the world. My best wishes to your brother/sister.

[QUOTE=Moosey;5190202]Yes, it's such a funny insult. Well done.

The fact that my 6 year old niece could come up with better shows what level you're at. Good work. Actually, judging by the spelling in your post, I don't need to comment further. Being, not been. Being.

Well done to you also, didn't manage to answer anything that i mentioned though did you.
Even my 2 year old neice could have done that.:thumbsup:

My neice is only 18 months old, do I win ?

[QUOTE=freyasdad;5190441]

Didn't see a question to be honest - no question marks, and just a statement that I thought didn't need answering!

Still, good work on the 2 year old niece - clearly gifted. I hope she does very well. Good to see gifted children with all the idiots that seem to be breeding in the world. My best wishes to your brother/sister.

Never said they were questions did I . In normal conversation whether it is a question or not you usually answer whatever point is BEING made.

[QUOTE=Moosey;5190458]

Never said they were questions did I . In normal conversation whether it is a question or not you usually answer whatever point is BEING made.

Okay, what was your point? I tried reading through it, and didn't understand it.

PS "Never said they were questions, did I?". :hihi::hihi:

[QUOTE=Moosey;5190458][QUOTE=freyasdad;5190441]

Didn't see a question to be honest.

The point i was making is Stafford was trying all things to get the fans on board and fair play to him after Allen's shocking treatment of a section of the support.
With having a charity on the shirt front it is a massive media plus, gaining respect etc. Would Wednesday have put a charity on the shirt front if they had a deal in place for a money paying sponsor ? I was led to believe they did it for free.

[QUOTE=Moosey;5190458][QUOTE=freyasdad;5190441]

Didn't see a question to be honest.

The point i was making is Stafford was trying all things to get the fans on board and fair play to him after Allen's shocking treatment of a section of the support.
With having a charity on the shirt front it is a massive media plus, gaining respect etc. Would Wednesday have put a charity on the shirt front if they had a deal in place for a money paying sponsor ? I was led to believe they did it for free.

Cheers for clarifying.

Right, there is actually a very valid reason, that over the next few months will become apparent. You're quite right that they gave the sponsorship rights away, and quite right that it's a media bonus too, but there are other links in the background at the moment.

The alternative, a company logo, was actually available, but the company who were going to be on the shirts have personal as well as business links to LS. The company still have an involvement, shall we say, which is ongoing, meaning that LS could utilise the good will and media involvement of the charity, whilst still utilising the business link.

There is a lot more to this than meets the eye I can assure you.

Not a problem Moosey i just thought whilst we are checking for mistakes i thought i would highlight one of yours. This does show you are human to a certain extent :)
Anyway what was the question again.

[QUOTE=freyasdad;5190547][QUOTE=Moosey;5190458]

Cheers for clarifying.

Right, there is actually a very valid reason, that over the next few months will become apparent. You're quite right that they gave the sponsorship rights away, and quite right that it's a media bonus too, but there are other links in the background at the moment.

The alternative, a company logo, was actually available, but the company who were going to be on the shirts have personal as well as business links to LS. The company still have an involvement, shall we say, which is ongoing, meaning that LS could utilise the good will and media involvement of the charity, whilst still utilising the business link.

There is a lot more to this than meets the eye I can assure you.

By giving the shirt sponcership to a charity, the club is able to over price its value, and that has massive tax benifits to the club as a charity donation, it costs the club very little. Its a good PR job and gives the Charity extra publicity.
My only problem with it, is the logo , it is very small on the shirt, and would ask will any one see or recognise it as the charity?

Surely they'd be able to tell from the tests the quantity of the banned substance in his system.


Usually yes, but I haven't seen that information yet. Everyone seems to think it was from a cough medicine, and not from attempted doping.

By your logic, your keeper's use of ILLEGAL substances ('cheating') helped his team's way through a Play-Off Semi-Final and that's okay is it?



Are you really in lala land.

The shamers as a club broke the rules, when they where found out they continued to break the rules.

Paddy as an individual broke the rules and was suspended for doing so,

Now if the shamers had dropped Tevez pending the inquiry we wouldn’t be having this conversation but as they didn’t we must assume they had something to hid. :suspect:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GckHE1Ieas

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GckHE1Ieas

That did the rounds yesterday. :sad:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GckHE1Ieas

saw it yesterday but still funny as hell :D:D

PS/ forum rule -your not allowed to mention anything that is highly embarassing to our red and white porky friends on here -they dont like it

This could be interesting if this goes ahead

http://www.lep.co.uk/pnenews/PNE-to-go-to-Football.5437859.jp

This could be interesting if this goes ahead

http://www.lep.co.uk/pnenews/PNE-to-go-to-Football.5437859.jp

it will fella , but whats good for the goose and all that -i say good on em ,

saw it yesterday but still funny as hell :D:D

PS/ forum rule -your not allowed to mention anything that is highly embarassing to our red and white porky friends on here -they dont like it

The youtube clip contains some very strong language,I'm surprised you find it "funny as hell" on a family forum.

PS/ forum rule -it's ok for Wednesday fans to post clips that contain foul and abusive language but Blades can't even post messages that contain masked swearing for fear of being vilified by MR BENN.

Rather than just a link why not post the relevant bit ,

Shaw told the Evening Post: "We can't say this affected the play-off result, I don't think we could get anywhere with that and wouldn't try.

"I'm not jumping up and down claiming we want the semi-final and final replayed.

"And I don't expect it to turn into a Carlos Tevez affair either

PS/ forum rule -it's ok for Wednesday fans to post clips that contain foul and abusive language but Blades can't even post messages that contain masked swearing for fear of being vilified by MR BENN.

I have heard that this is where the report button comes in handy.

The youtube clip contains some very strong language,I'm surprised you find it "funny as hell" on a family forum.

PS/ forum rule -it's ok for Wednesday fans to post clips that contain foul and abusive language but Blades can't even post messages that contain masked swearing for fear of being vilified by MR BENN.

lol trouble is the threads been removed bless him

I have heard that this is where the report button comes in handy.

i didnt post anything with swearing -and nor would i

lol trouble is the threads been removed bless him

I'm referring to post 232 on ths thread PB.I can't understand why someone would find that level of abuse "funny as hell"on a family forum.I can't see what it's got to do with Paddy getting suspended either.

I have heard that this is where the report button comes in handy.


i've argued for the last couple of months with the mods about ignoring a certain someone on here. i've got to hold my hands up and admit they were right. the ignore button is bliss. had a good week on here with the real wendys and its improved 40,000 fold. the mods wont do anything about him so if more of us hit the ignore button perhaps he will go away. just a thought.

all blades arnt we.

i've argued for the last couple of months with the mods about ignoring a certain someone on here. i've got to hold my hands up and admit they were right. the ignore button is bliss. had a good week on here with the real wendys and its improved 40,000 fold. the mods wont do anything about him so if more of us hit the ignore button perhaps he will go away. just a thought.

all blades arnt we.

I doubt it he's like certain embarrassing contact infection you have to take action to get rid of it

I'm referring to post 232 on ths thread PB.I can't understand why someone would find that level of abuse "funny as hell"on a family forum.I can't see what it's got to do with Paddy getting suspended either.

Sorry about that it seems to me that him and his other half can mostly post things with the intention of just winding up the red half of Sheffield, but when something is posted about it they become all indignant shouting about abuse and swearing and bullying

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no problems here mate :)

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Already got them on ignore list HH

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no probs mate -

all owls arnt we :thumbsup:

no probs mate -

all owls arnt we :thumbsup:

I have heard the “all Blade arnt we” but I have never heard “all owls arnt we” said. :suspect:

I cant claim to be an expert on what goes on in the blue half of the city but I have worked with many Wednesday fans and never heard them use the expression. :huh:

I have heard the “all Blade arnt we” but I have never heard “all owls arnt we” said. :suspect:

I cant claim to be an expert on what goes on in the blue half of the city but I have worked with many Wednesday fans and never heard them use the expression. :huh:

Direct copy Of BB

Direct copy Of BB

i cant claim i started it maybe on here yes but not overall. i often hear blade fans shout it out in pubs and at work. but never heard a wendy say it.

just add it to the list of things they copy.