Walked past a martial art centre today that I've not seen before, Brian Akin World of Martial Arts. Anyone train there or know anything about it? I fancy taking up a bit a martial arts over the summer and would quite like to do some ground work. This place advertises grappling and wrestling so I might give it a go. I'll let you know what I find.

Dave

Dave

the BJJ club that has been mentioned on the forum is excellent for groundwork. The club is at Dronfield, just outside Sheffield, and there's a progressive approach to fitness, so it's not like the club that Nilson ran (I believe I met you at the first session there). As I've mentioned before, the instructors are all very friendly and approachable (and knowledgeable), and the club is an affiliated Royce Gracie club, so obviously that's a bit of added kudos.

Monday nights, approx 8:15-9:45.

If not, i'd be interested to know about your experiences if you attend Brian Aiken's...

Brian Aikens place thats the one near gatecrasher.
I would reccomend Brian Aiken to anyone.
He knows his grappling.Im considering going there myself if hell go easy on me !!!

Sheffield town centre is perfect for martial arts.
Wellington street for kickboxing with Farhad Ali, Just near Gatecrasher for Ju jitsu with Brian Aiken, you cant go far wrong!

Brian Aiken has links with Royce Gracie , i know that they are good friends. I saw them both in the old Berlins together.

I couldnt believe it was Royce Gracie

i recomend brian. good guy and knows his stuff. my neck is still hurting from three weeks ago ha ha

Hi,

I'm looking for a martial arts club, but I'm finding it quite hard to locate clubs in Sheffield on the web.

If you run or attend a regular class, could you post the training times here? And maybe a bit of what you do. That way we can build up a calender of local martial arts classes without having to slog through pages and pages of archived posts!

I've trained in a few things (Primarily BJJ, Karate and Capoeira) and I'm looking to get back into it as I've been a bit lax with fitness lately!

Thanks, Chris

Hi,

I'm looking for a martial arts club, but I'm finding it quite hard to locate clubs in Sheffield on the web.

If you run or attend a regular class, could you post the training times here? And maybe a bit of what you do. That way we can build up a calender of local martial arts classes without having to slog through pages and pages of archived posts!

I've trained in a few things (Primarily BJJ, Karate and Capoeira) and I'm looking to get back into it as I've been a bit lax with fitness lately!

Thanks, Chris

kickboxing classes at wellington street boxing gym

www.sheffieldkickboxing.com

Monday , thursday, friday , sunday

Refer to website for more details.

kickboxing classes at wellington street boxing gym

www.sheffieldkickboxing.com

Monday , thursday, friday , sunday

Refer to website for more details.

Jun Fan/Jeet Kune Do, Eskrima/Kali, Grappling and some other stuff

Monday,Wednesday and Thursday 7pm till 8.30pm
The Source
300 Meadowhall Way
Sheffield
S9

Private one to one by appointment

Jun Fan/Jeet Kune Do, Eskrima/Kali, Grappling and some other stuff

Monday,Wednesday and Thursday 7pm till 8.30pm
The Source
300 Meadowhall Way
Sheffield
S9

Private one to one by appointment

7 Star Praying Mantis kung fu
Wing Chun
Chi Gung ( Tai Chi)

Dinnington

www.moifa.20m.com

7 Star Praying Mantis kung fu
Wing Chun
Chi Gung ( Tai Chi)

Dinnington

www.moifa.20m.com

5hitoryu Shukokai karate

Ponds Forge - Tue,Thurs
Hillsborough Leisure Centre - Wed,Fri

All classes 6:15 - 7:45

:) Gambatte!

5hitoryu Shukokai karate

Ponds Forge - Tue,Thurs
Hillsborough Leisure Centre - Wed,Fri

All classes 6:15 - 7:45

:) Gambatte!

Jiu Jitsu

Goodwin Sports Centre Near the childrens hospital
Term Time (tbc - October onwards)
Tues 8 - 10
Thu 8 - 10

Summer times
Thu 8 - 10 (most weeks, check first)

Sheffield Hallam University Movement Studio
Term Time only (Sept onwards)
Times to be confirmed, twice a week, 2 hrs.

http://www.jitsufoundation.org/
http://www.planetjitsu.com/

Jiu Jitsu

Goodwin Sports Centre Near the childrens hospital
Term Time (tbc - October onwards)
Tues 8 - 10
Thu 8 - 10

Summer times
Thu 8 - 10 (most weeks, check first)

Sheffield Hallam University Movement Studio
Term Time only (Sept onwards)
Times to be confirmed, twice a week, 2 hrs.

http://www.jitsufoundation.org/
http://www.planetjitsu.com/

Shotokan Karate - Hillsborough/Wisewood, Monday and Wednesday evenings, £2.50 a session. Quality.

Shotokan Karate - Hillsborough/Wisewood, Monday and Wednesday evenings, £2.50 a session. Quality.

(RGJJN) Brazilian Jiu Jitsu

Mondays, 8:15-9:45

Upper Movement Hall, Henry Fanshaw School, Green Lane, Dronfield

The ONLY Royce Gracie club in the area

Friendly, top quality instruction

Complementary learning

Occassional guest instructors (from around the country)including experienced MMA competitors

Royce Gracie Jiu Jitsu Network (RGJJN) Brazilian Jiu Jitsu

Mondays, 8:15-9:45

Upper Movement Hall, Henry Fanshaw School, Green Lane, Dronfield

The ONLY Royce Gracie club in the area

Friendly, top quality instruction

Complementary learning

Occassional guest instructors (from around the country)including experienced MMA competitors

Crayfish

Wicker Camp classes are on Monday (20:00 - 21:30), Wednesday (20:00 - 21:30) and Friday (18:00 - 19:30).
Ist lesson is free (after that it's £3.50 for unwaged, £4.00 for waged or there or aeveral monthly payment options wich will save you money), no joining fee, expert tuition.

There is no where else in Sheffield better for learning authentic Muay Thai.

Also they are having a gym show this coming Sunday where there will be several up and coming fighters from the gym taking part in novice fights.

Directions - From the Hyde Park Tram stop, walk down the hill towards the Mega Centre, continue under the bridge and Wicker Camp is located on the opposite side of the roundabout on the 1st floor of the big brick building (entrance is within the court yard at the rear).

Hope this helps.

Crayfish

Wicker Camp classes are on Monday (20:00 - 21:30), Wednesday (20:00 - 21:30) and Friday (18:00 - 19:30).
Ist lesson is free (after that it's £3.50 for unwaged, £4.00 for waged or there or aeveral monthly payment options wich will save you money), no joining fee, expert tuition.

There is no where else in Sheffield better for learning authentic Muay Thai.

Also they are having a gym show this coming Sunday where there will be several up and coming fighters from the gym taking part in novice fights.

Directions - From the Hyde Park Tram stop, walk down the hill towards the Mega Centre, continue under the bridge and Wicker Camp is located on the opposite side of the roundabout on the 1st floor of the big brick building (entrance is within the court yard at the rear).

Hope this helps.

Very True
if your into the traditiuoanl thai culture side of it too then there is no where else for traditional Muay Thai in sheffield.
I once upon a time in my youth have trained at wicker camp and i did enjoy it.
However i do find that the classes are very busy.
Down at AFK i find that because the classes are smaller, and there is more than oen coach present i get a hell of a lot more instructor time.
The training is more personal and there is a genuinely helpful and welcoming atmosphere there.
Good active figthers to spar with , the main coach holds pads for everyone at the end and then theres the little ju jitsu guy who goes through bits of groundwork and invites you all for a roll around afterwards.

Oh and the most important bit :P

The devonshire cat is down the road ( bad habit i know :P)

www.sheffieldkickboxing.com

Try Judo Groundfighting/Wrestling

Using skills found in Groundwork side of Judo, Brazilian Jujitsu and General Wrestling.

The Source Health Club
Tuesday 6 - 7.15

emphasis is on developing skill and technique, email address is phphilz@hotmail if you want any more details

Try Judo Groundfighting/Wrestling

Using skills found in Groundwork side of Judo, Brazilian Jujitsu and General Wrestling.

The Source Health Club
Tuesday 6 - 7.15

emphasis is on developing skill and technique, email address is phphilz@hotmail if you want any more details

I perhaps think that if your wanting to try out a form of MMA of a hybrid style then Wicker Camp won't be to you advantage, however if your wanting to learn an single effective martial art (either for the traditional cultural aspect of the sporting/competing aspect) then Wicker Camp is THE place - when it comes to reputation for active experienced fighters Wicker Camp is one, if not the, most deocrated Muay Thai gyms in the uk, currently housing many champions.

Also Private tutition is available with a choice of professional instructors fopr groups of 1 to 4 people.

I do believe that one of the main instructors from AFK actually trained at Wicker Camp many moons ago.

Guys,
I had asked a mod to make this stick and thought that we might keep this one to be specifically a list of sessions, times and locations.

So rather than discuss stuff in here, lets start new threads and this one can stay as just the list.

mod - could you tidy it up again please?

Originally posted by jay_kd
Jun Fan/Jeet Kune Do, Eskrima/Kali, Grappling and some other stuff

You seem to be the only person in and around Sheffield doing any sort of FMA - would you be aversed to running a straight escrima/kali session?

Its about time someone had yet another martial arts discussion.
Filipino martial; arts?
I know that my Jay-Kd (mark hayes to his mates)
has trained with mr inosanto himself.

Mark hayes is **** hot!
dont underestimate him at all little guy though that he is

Sorry yes Filipino Martial Arts! I've been to a few of Marks lessons (and yes he is **** hot!) and really enjoyed them - but having done a air amount of kick boxing I would like to do some stright kali / escrima (possibly with some dumog / panantukan thrown in for flavour!)

evildrneil:
dont you like kickboxing?
you should pay us a visit sometime and have a spar.

I do like the kick-boxing yes - but I'm happy with what I've done in the past (predominantly muay thai at the whicker camp) and also I've been out of kickboxing for a while now and although I have tried a couple of times I have found it really difficult to get back into so wanted to give something else a try to get back into the M/A routine before maybe doing so more kickboxing :)

i also recommend Wicker Camp Thai Boxing gym, check out www.wickercamp.com

Seems to be a gap in the market for martial arts classes on saturdays, looking at the above post. Pity, that'd be the best day for maybe getting my girlfriend involved! Ah well.

I'll try and have a look at as many of the clubs mentioned as possible. Good to see that there are so many places going strong in Sheffield!

Wing Chun Kung Fu

Chinese Community Centre

I believe it's now on a Saturday evening, 1800-1930

We have sundays at the wellington street boxing gym 12-2pm
Saturdays? hmm i rememebr we did have saturdays ocne but not many people were interested.
There is a boxing circuit there on a saturday at 11am mind you.

Originally posted by phphilz
Try Judo Groundfighting/Wrestling

Using skills found in Groundwork side of Judo, Brazilian Jujitsu and General Wrestling.

The Source Health Club
Tuesday 6 - 7.15

emphasis is on developing skill and technique, email address is phphilz@hotmail if you want any more details

Please can you elaborate on what you mean by 'general' wrestling.

My interests lie with Submission wrestling and Greco wrestling.

Originally posted by Lickszz
Please can you elaborate on what you mean by 'general' wrestling.

My interests lie with Submission wrestling and Greco wrestling.

General wrestling probably means the kind of wrestling that would get you a job in the WWE or some other wrestling company.

Could anyone tell me what happened to the combat zone that use to be somewhere near Bramall Lane I believe? They taught Jeet Kune Do and Philipino arts.

Any information would be appreciated.

Cheers.

They now live out at The Source - look for postings under the name of jay_kd - thats the bloke who runs it...

Cheers for that.

The class will be Groundfighting using skills used in the Groundwork side of Judo, also Brazilian Jujitsu and Grappling side of Shootfighting.

Class will open so will be Gi or no Gi, depending what the individual prefers.

Hope this helps

Gonna try a session at Brians later this week, anyone know what time the classes are?

ANVIL - Dronfields to outa my way otherwise I'd try it. dont think i met you b4, aint done much martial arts in shef... yet!

I'm interested in training in either Jeet Kune Do or Muay Thai. I use to do Wado Ryu on London Road. Although much of the training seemed to be aimed at self defence in street situations there was still quite a lot of Kata to do and the sparring was more on the sport side.

Could someone who trains in either of these arts please give me their views as to how effective these two arts are in street situations.

Having tried both of them I would say very and very! The training in Muay Thai is a bit more sport oriented and has lots of fitness work and sparring so you will be able to keep going in a fight (untill you have done a few rounds you have NO idea how exhausting sparring is and full on fighting is worse!) and know which techniques work for you. The draw back of Muay Thai is that, apart from some neck wrestling, it has no real grappling componant which you would have to fill in from elsewhere. The JKD (and I could be wrong here I haven't done much of it) is a bit lacking in the sparring componant (though techniques are in many cases done full power against pads) but is more rounded in terms of covering weapons and grappling. I believe there also is (or maybe was?) a shoot fighting club meeting at the 393 club (details here (http://www.shootersmma.com/default.asp?page=schools&iDoit=2&SchoolID=13)) which is a combintation of submission wrestling and muay thai and may suit nicely as well?

Cheers evildrneil

I've got quite a lot of info on JKD and does appear to be more focused on self preservation.

As for the Muay Thai I've seen some footage of matches and what not and does seem to be quite demanding which is not a problem. The attacks/defence of the art also seems very aggresive which is also a plus in the sense of defending yourself against any would be attacker.

However, compared to JKD, it does appear not to train throughout all the ranges, for example grappling.

Perhaps I'll do a couple of lessons in them both before I decide.

First thanks for the complement from Freddylee and evildrneil

Neil as to class's just in Filipino Martial Arts, you will have to ask the guys at the Source, and if enough people want it i would teach.

Lee97 i used to have The Combat Zone, I now teach at The Source at Meadowhall, details are on this Thread

Im Bound to say Jeet Kune Do will be effective in a street situation, the thing is any Martial Art will help in some way, as long as you know how to apply what you have,also it's not the Martial Art that works its the Martial Artist, ALL Arts have a plus side and a minus side.

For me JKD gives me an approach to Martial Arts that covers what i need and want.

In my class's stundents will spar in all the ranges i:e stand-up(kickboxing) Grappling (stand-up and on the ground) also with the stick or knife

I try to cover all the ranges that may happen in a fight, some of what i teach i have used in lets say a street situation (work related)


If anyone wants any more details about JKD, The Filipino Martial Arts(which isn't just stick fighting) PM me or ask on here and i will try to help


p.s
Freddylee you still have to tell me your name, and say hello to Farhad for me.


Train hard train safe
Mark
jay_kd@hotmail.com

Originally posted by Lickszz
Please can you elaborate on what you mean by 'general' wrestling.

My interests lie with Submission wrestling and Greco wrestling.

I've just called about the shoot wrestling club and they concentrate on the grappling which is submission wrestling based - they train at the 393 on Monday and Thursday from 7.30 onwards (the two nights of the week that I can't make - typical huh!)

Mark, how do you know Farhad?
Is there anyone else you know from AFK?

Check out the website, you might know some of them

www.sheffieldkickboxing.com

Ask him I first met him around 1994/95

Hi
Does anyone know of a Go Kan Ryu Karate class running in Sheffield? I used to go to one about 5 years ago at Walkley School run by Sensei Oliver. It relocated but I haven't been able to find it since. I want a Karate class for myself and my 8 year old son to go to together.

Hi itsme
Go to Castle Market
Theres a fish/seafood stall called " The shellfish bar"

Its near the computer games place(one row away) and the chippy.

The stall is run by a drop dead gorgeous young woman and ehr husband who is a great laugh.
Her husband teaches karate and seems like a really nice guy(hes a lucky bugger havign a wife liek that too id say!).
In short their a lovely pair of young people.

His club s "GKR" . He is also open minded and has experimented with some kickboxing and other styles too.

Good luck.

Hi jaykd:
You met Farhad in 94/95?
Damn!
wasnt he at university then ?
I take it he was a begginer then too?

He says email him on :
info@sheffieldkickboxing.com
He wants to ring you and have a chat and catch up.

Hi Dwhembro
Did you try Brians classses out yet?
Whats it like?

hi do any of you know of the
Chinese Kickboxing Centre for Martial Arts on
Old Clock Tower, Firth Park Rd, Sheffield,
???????????????????????????????????????

Originally posted by Davemantis
hi do any of you know of the
Chinese Kickboxing Centre for Martial Arts on
Old Clock Tower, Firth Park Rd, Sheffield,
???????????????????????????????????????

Never heard of it before I'm afraid - but it has been around long enough to make it onto Yell (http://www.yell.com/search/ShowMap?nat_id=3904911&location=SHEFFIELD&clarifyIndex=&clarifyOptions=&searchType=classic&replayURL=%2Fucs%2FUcsSearchAction.do%3Fooa%3Don%2 6searchType%3Dclassic%26companyName%3DChinese%2BKi ckboxing%2BCentre%26location%3Dsheffield%26scrambl eSeed%3D18157%26ooascrambleSeed%3D%26slscrambleSee d%3D) though the fact that the only listed number is a mobile doesn't exactly inspire confidence! Are you loking for somewhere in Sheffield to teach?

Hi,

I've been reading all the discussions trying to find a suitable class to take up when i move back to Sheffield but can't find what i'm after. Trawling through the search engines doesn't seem to throw up much either.

I've been doing Shaolin Kung Fu in manchester for a while now and want to adopt some more direct attacking techniques like in Mui Tai/kick boxing. Basically what i'm looking for is some cross training classes that use a combination of styles/schools. Jeet kune Do might be an obvious choice but i'm not sure.

Can anyone suggest a club that does Shaolin 5 Animals Style with a bit of kickboxing thrown in?

Thanks.

There is at least one shaolin school that I know of (see here (http://dis.shef.ac.uk/help_yourself/full_search_new.asp?name=HOAN+LUNG+SHAOLIN+KUNG++F U+ASSOCIATION)) though I have not actually tried them so can't comment on what they teach :o

hi Ironballs

The club evildrneil has put you onto is a student of Yap Lung in London.

the only other clubs i would recomend are jay_kd classes at the Source, Meadowhall (JKD)

Lau Gar but most of that is from a sport side (but they do a more traditional class also)

Then i do 7 star mantis but thats in dinnington

asfor kung fu thats all i would recomend, but thats not including Wing Chun of Tai Chi mind you

who did you train with and for how long did you do Shaolin Kung Fu in manchester for????

Hey there
im new here but need some info!


There is a distinct possibility that i might have to go an live in hong kong next year, and was wonderin what martial art is native to that area. i know a lot of kung fu is from mainland china but wanted to know if any specific style originated in Hong Kong?

I have trained in freestyle karate/ kickboxing for the last year, (though i am obsessed with my nunchaku and ninja-to) but if i do go then i want to have a headstart so that when i get there i can just join a class and get on as usual.

Thanks guys (and gals)
Me

if HK is anything like Japan then it won't be as easy as just joining a club. Many clubs are by invitation only. It might be best to find the details of a club now and write to them, possibly with a letter of introduction from your current instructor.

Cheers Cyclone

Thing is i stopped goin trainin bout three weeks ago cos my instructor was annoyin me and bein a muppet. So i dont think i'll get anything from him!



Does anybody know someone that will train me in iaido one to one?

cheers
Me :cool:

What style did you train in before kensai?

Your instructor beign a muppet and annoying you?
How does an instructor do that apart from giving you push ups at the end :)
No seriously please inform me

PM me if you will pelase mate
Cheers

Originally posted by Kensei
Hey there
im new here but need some info!


There is a distinct possibility that i might have to go an live in hong kong next year, and was wonderin what martial art is native to that area. i know a lot of kung fu is from mainland china but wanted to know if any specific style originated in Hong Kong?

I have trained in freestyle karate/ kickboxing for the last year, (though i am obsessed with my nunchaku and ninja-to) but if i do go then i want to have a headstart so that when i get there i can just join a class and get on as usual.

Thanks guys (and gals)
Me

Although originating in China, Wing Chun has a very strong tradition in Hong Kong and most of the senior masters presently reside there (E.g. Chu Shong Tin, Yip Chun, Yip Ching). if you start learning Wing Chun here though, check the lineage of the Sifu - if you learn under one lineage here and then another in Hong Kong you could find that it's very different.

Kensei

Many clubs are by invitation only but some you can just walk into but not the good schools. It is a good idea to find out what style you want to do and get a little background on the style and club you would like to go to. A letter of introduction from a instructor or a friend of the club is a big help but not the only way.

what style did you want to do????

One thing i dont get is how can instructors start being "muppets" or annoying?

That i fidn very strange unless its a bad instructor

or unless there was a perosnal fall out inviolved

hmm no reply :P

Maybe its best not to ask soemtimes :)

maybe its time for a new thread?

"how does an instructor be annoying/muppet" ?

I have just started at the Brian Aiken World of martial arts studio, on Earl street. To be honest its great fun, the classes are a very informative and i feel i have learned a great deal alread. Brian is a really nice guy and makes it a good laugh as well as. I would recoment it to anyone. Its cheap to as the classes are an hour and a half for a fiver.

Freddylee


Hey, been away for a few days. sos!

I trained in freestyle karate/kickboxing and i loved it, and it wasnt just my instructor that made me leave, it was a culmination of things.

And yes a personal fallout was ALMOST there, but not with him, oh no. With his soon to be wife and so i thougth it best to leave. She very obviously had issues with me but i could not bring it up with my instructor for the above reason and also the fact that she owned the buisness!

The main other thing that REALLY :rant: got on my nerves was the grading system, it was sooooooooo messed up!!!!!
Basically i have been training for one year and i had been attending 5 sessions per week. I know myself that i was above the standard expected of somebody who had been attending for such a short period of time. Yet when it came to gradings i found myself being graded at the same time as other new students that had attended only the minimum of 1 session per week.
A prime example of this is when i was going for my fourth belt a few weeks before i gave it up, one of these students was asked to do a roundhouse kick and started looking around as he couldnt remember what one of these was! A roundhouse kick?! Come on! And he still continued that grading to gain his forth belt. Thats almost halfway to black belt!

I know i seem like i have been moaning for this whole post but this is just frustrating. Glad to get it off my chest though!
:D

Thanks

By the way, thanks to anvil for the info on Hong kong:thumbsup:

Davemantis!

I dont really want to do a particular style of kung fu, i just wanted to experience the way that classes are run and the general atmosphere/ ethos of kung fu clubs.

What style do you do then?

Me

Originally posted by G12345
I have just started at the Brian Aiken World of martial arts studio, on Earl street. To be honest its great fun, the classes are a very informative and i feel i have learned a great deal alread. Brian is a really nice guy and makes it a good laugh as well as. I would recoment it to anyone. Its cheap to as the classes are an hour and a half for a fiver.

Do you have days/times?

is it purely groundwork or stand-up too?

thanks

That sounds like the conflict between doing your best to teach your student and running a business to make money coming out.

Kensei

I couldn’t agree more if some one can't remember how to do what they need for a grade then they should not be doing that grade that’s one of the things that makes Martial arts look bad.

But on the other hand don’t worry about what other grades people have but on what you know. I have know people to have called themselves master but they don’t have a clue what they are doing then I have come across people that have only got a brown belt who could make most of us look silly.

The club i train at are dead stingy at grading ppl.Well thats what some of the younger memebrs say anyway :P

The thing is to be wearign that grade you sure as hell should be that standard or it makes a mockery of the grading system.

We have people at our club who have been training for 5 years who are still only Green belt! Then on the other hand a young girl who is very good and has been training less than 4 years and is a Blue belt (2 off black).

Its all abotu standards. If you wear that belt you should be good enough. Also we have brown belts that have been at it for like 7 or 8 years!

Kensei come and look us up

Davemantis,

I take it you are a student/instructor of mantis Kung Fu?

Just wondered where you are based? and if it is accessable via the tram, as thats my only means of transport. Does Mantis have any weapons as i have been interested in learning to use the dao for quite while now. A have a training blade but it has been sat in the corner of my room now for some time as i have only trained in the use of the katana and wakizashi.

Me:cool:

Kensei

I am based in Dinnington just off junction 31 on the M1.
we do have weapons ie Dao, Gim, spear, staff, hook swords, hammers, 3 section staff, hours chopper, kwan do, fong tin lance, daggers, 7* canes as well as double weapons.

Wudang tai chi chuan

Tuesdays 7:15pm-8:45pm


Morning class starting at the end of August
Wednesday 6:45am-7:45am


The source gym @ meadowhall

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nice website
I have trained under the same association as you many many moons ago (i.e. under patrick ) on london road.
Paul Bradshaw was my instructor.
Just curious, but what discipline are you british champion and Dave lancaster world champion in?
cheers mate
Fred
p.s. we may have met/trained togetehr in the past

:clap: Hi freddylee hows things i know paul very well as we both trained together when i was alot younger we got our first dan at the same time way back when i was just 12years old before he was an instructor for pat . dave lancaster is currently world champ in light continual u obviously know wot that is ie light contact american rules kickboxing and semi contact stop start ie points fighting. i myself won quite a few comps the british title i won was ewska british national back when the association was huge not like alot of the comps nowadays where u may only have 2 or 3 fights am talkin when they were the comps to be at having around 7 or maybe 8 fights but as u prob know yourself those were the days when comps were comps lol let me know a little more about yourself m8 maybe i do know ya :clap:

Hi people.

I am thinking of joining the wicker camp muay thai gym and noticed that on the website, it says that there are "exercise and bagwork" sessions. Are these classes, ones which allow you to train entirely on the bag as and how you like? Also, I was wondering whether these sessions are available to to the beginers. Oh and also, Is the small excercise gym there, availble for use outside of sessino time and if so, when?

Oh, and one other thing, could anybody give me some information about the boxing gyms in sheffield and what they have in them etc?

Cheers

Ian

:clap: hi ian dont know owt about the wicker gym m8 as that club aint owt to do with me i have a friend of a friend who says its ok the best thing to do m8 when joining any martial arts club is to check out the instructors credentials first and insurance then take a class a good club will let u do this either free of charge or without signing a membership form ok m8 hope that helps u out
:clap:

Hi Ian,

Re the Wicker

The weights room is for members only (those that pay per month rather than per lesson). Ain't been in there mesen as I pay per class but there defintely is one.

The "bag" classes I believe are in the day but are open to anyone. Again I ain't been to one cos I work in the day.

The evening classes are decent though - be prepared for a good sweat mind :D

Hi Rob Akka
Did you ever fight in kickboxing? i.e. Full contact kickboxing?
I have seen Dave lancaster fight before.
I was at that 4 man event:
Mick Blythin V Dale lowe V Dave Lancaster V Adrian Dalby

I distinctly remember adrian dalby taking more dives than a footy player :P
Then again thats semi contact for you i guess.

Ian Harris
most boxing gyms just let you use a bag and get on with it.

The kickboxing gym i train at is set in an old fashioned boxing gym environment.
there is a weights area and after the classes you can just get onto one of the bags and train away.
Another way is get pally with the instructor and he often opens the gym in the daytime e.g. if he himself has a fight coming up or if one of the figthers do.
The bags,.. there are:
4 normal bags, An Angled heavy bag (suitable for uppercuts etc too), A "body bag" which you can attack head body and legs its shaped like a big body. Theres also a Concrete bag(for shin conditioning) , a maize ball, a speed ball and a ceiling to floor ball.
every class starts with a warm up followed by a bag circuit on the different stations.
Our instructor keeps the classes small too. Only say 10-15 people per class maximum.
He prefers it like that. Keeps the standards higher with more individual one on one time.

Rob Akka
Pop down and see us in the week. Ill introduce myself personally. If you didnt know me beofre youll have found a new friend.
Yours in martial arts.
Fred.
P.S do you remember the following:
Claude evans, Martin (big black guy ), Dannu Lee, Fitzroy Willis?

New Begginers classes at Wellington Street Boxing gym:

Monday 830-930pm
Thursday 830-930pm

WOMEN ONLY class : 730-830pm

£4 per class (monthly deals available)

Check out the website :
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Or Phone

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:clap: hi freddylee hows things m8 ?
yeah i know martin fitz raff raymond zoe john all the old skool we all got our 1st dans together i know of mick, as my main club is in grimsby he has is own dojo/gym down there dont know mick and dale personally

i myself prefer the semi-contact side of fighting but as i sustained an injury on my hand which never quite healed after the operation stops me competing in both. i usually take part in kata now and put all my experience towards the students who want to fight in tournaments i get a buzz from it though they do ok and hold there own well i do teach em full contact & semi so they get to enter both sections if they wish

and yeah m8 would be good to pop down sometime

is it full contact u guys into or do you compete in both?


ROB:clap:

Hi Rob
This is what we do:
Light continuous for the novices
Then its either Full contact(kicks above waist american style) or Thaiboxing.
there seems to be an even split at the club for who wants to do FC and who wants to fight Thai.
The syllabus is flexible with our club.
tell you what Raff O Connor was a Hard Mudda F***** back in the days and no one alive can kick like fitzroy did!!!
You know fitzroy willises brother alan willis is still training and has shins of steel!
Paul Bradshaw lives somewhere near grimsby. I did prefer paul bradshaw to the rest.
Do you remember Claude or Dannus?

:clap: hi freddylee yeah i know danus trained along side him too my son is called danus aswell lol top name not seen him for ages good lad danus though yeah fitz once knocked me out in class lol i was only 12 it bother him lol even though i was cryin lol :clap: dont know the other guy.............

Dannus Lee is now called Abdul Haqq
Hes a converted muslim and goes to the mosque every friday.
He doesnt really train much now and has now balloooned up to 14(or was it 15 ) stone.
He spends a lot of time in asian restaurants and fried chicken joints/kebab houses.

Really nice lad dannus is, was a good boxer too.

So you never heard of Claude Evans then?

Hi,

Anyone know of any capoeira classes in Sheffield ?

If so pls let me know where/when etc !

Cheers m dears

Jony M


jonyfly@hotmal.com

Whats one of those:|

Originally posted by brooksy
Whats one of those:|

ditto to that question. Please enlighten us?

brazilian dance based martial arts

as seen on the bbc1 intro sequence occasionally


i think brazillian....now im doubting my own knowledge!

Yes its brazilian! I've been doing it for about a year at the university club - it only runs in term time but should be back september / october

The teachers really good and everyone helps each other out so its good for a beginner - someone with a very low level of fitness / flexibility / acrobatic ability might find it a little hard going but its all good fun.

http://www.shef.ac.uk/shef-capoeira/ training times should be posted on there when it starts back!

I'd love to get back into martial arts! Haven't done much for nearly 2yrs now!

Its gonna be my priority when I finally move back to Sheffield I think!!

Originally posted by ROB_AKKA
semi contact stop start ie points fighting.

Freddy, are you feeling ok? Normally when someone mentions these words in relation to kickboxing you froth at the mouth and launch into a verbal tirade, now you're offering your friendship! what gives? are you born again??

ANVIL

I think Freddy is just misunderstood lol

No offence intended Freddy but you are a little highly strung at times well when it comes to Kickboxing. But then aren’t we all when it comes to are chosen art.


talking of chsen art why did you chose your art
(open to all not just Freddy)

I dotn like to see semi contact points sparring calling itself kickboxing (coz its not!)
But Rob Akka is actually teaching them as separate disciplines isnt that right Rob?
Also rob knows some guys who we both used to train with.
I think call a spade a spade , dont call a spade an axe.

Originally posted by Freddylee
I dotn like to see semi contact points sparring calling itself kickboxing (coz its not!)
But Rob Akka is actually teaching them as separate disciplines isnt that right Rob?
Also rob knows some guys who we both used to train with.


I understand the first part Freddy, but the part about Rob knowing some guys you used to train with, how is that relevant to your opinion on semi-contact etc.?

you've said before you'd rather do boxercise...

Anvil
me offering my hand of friendship to Rob is totoaly irrelevant to my opinion on semi contact.

I respect semi for what it is but dont think it should be grouped with kickboxing AT ALL.

Semi is NOT kickboxing and i hate it when the public get confused and call everything kickboxing.

Kickboxing is fought in a boxing ring with boxing gloves over a number of rounds with proper punches and powerful kicking NOT on a mat with a single round stopping after every technique.

Originally posted by Freddylee
Anvil


I respect semi for what it is

In that case Freddy I've misunderstood your previous posts (and I'm sure that for example, the woman who has the club at Dore has also misunderstood them - you certainly didn't offer your handin friendship to her). For example, you've previously said:

semi contact point fighting [is] nothing to do with kickboxing even though a lot of clubs sell that semi-contact point fighting RUBBISH as kickboxing

i'd prefer boxercise

[people] would be better off not doing a martial art

i accept that the first quote that i've provided does draw a distinction between full and semi contact, as you've pointed out again in your last post, but, and it might just be me, i can't see a lot of respect there. Perhaps Davemantis is right, and you're just misunderstood ;)

Semi contact is NOT and never WILL be kickboxing

They are totally different sports(arts?)

Someone who intends to decieve the public by selling semi contact as kickboxing is a liar and a fraud .
Now a lot of the WADO RYU group sell them both as separate arts.
Ok many of them are not suitably expereinced or qualified to be teaching full contact as they themselves are not FC trained or qualified but at least they promote them as separate things.

Now i cudnt care less what people think of me. I stand by the truth and dont like and never have liekd fraudsters.
You can take the **** all you like. If people want to say im "misunderstood" and if people want to continue "misunderstanding" then thats up to them.

Just remember one thing. If you condone the fraudulent way that semi contact people rename what they do as kickboxing then you are as bad as they are.

I agree completely with freddylee that semi contact and full contact should be classed seperately, and semi not passed off as KB.
I have trained with dave lancaster for many years and rate him as top instructor who can and does teach semi and full as two seperate categories. From training semi for numerous years, I now train kickboxing (light con and full). I would never dream of entering a semi student in a full kb category... totally different kettle of fish.
without being biased i would recomend the BMAKA clubs. dave is in it for the love of martial arts and teaching not to make obscene profits and rip\off students.
some interesting discussions here guys, i was a forum virgin... though not any more!
Does anyone know what happened to patrick scantlebury, andy gallacher, vic cruise and co from lonon road club?

Patrick is into his property development these days, Viccruse has gone his own way. The old london road club has closed down and is now and "eylen comunity centre".
I dont know what an "eylen " community is mind you, enligthen me?
Dan do you fight full contact? Which gym do you fight for?

I train/teach with fighting fit which is based in south west london. I currently do light continuous when I spar though the club teaches full contact. We enter both categories in tournaments depending on the fighter. We have just been to the Cimac World Cup which had full in a ring, light con and semi. Next training for Cimac British Open in Maidenhead.
Thinking of taking a team to Irish Open in Dublin, anyone been before? Know of any good places to stay?

What do people think is a average class size???

For adults I like no more than 10 people per class and no less than 6 so I can get round and teach, otherwise I feel like im doing more an exercise class.

The gym i train at has class sizes about that size, helps people to get to know each other better and gets us technically better than people who train in classes of say 30.

at wing chun it varied between 5/6 to maybe 12 or so. at the Judo clubs i've been to it would be between about 4 and 15, and at the club i'm currently at (BJJ) it's approx 10-15 but there's at least 3 instructors, sometimes more if guest instructors are teaching.

Speaking of contact levels, I am really wanting to do a sport/martial art that is really heavy stuff with full contact. I'm just not that sure whether I am prepared enough to take full power head blows and beasty kicks in the thigh. How bad is full contact exactly, I know how bad Full contact boxing to the body cus I do it with my mate. Does it take a few yrs of experience to be able to cope with full on head blows or are you best just getting straight into without crying. Also if it is the case that in many classes, there is a semi contact to the head but full contat to the body for example, isnt it a bit awkward to compete in that way.

Never heard of competing with semi to the head and full to the body???
Well this is how we do things at our club, in training most of the time contact levels in sparring are generally decided between yourself and your partner.
Obviously if your partner isnt as good as you or is lighter/weaker, you go a bit easy on them.
If your partner is the same ablility and everything then you go as hard as you want.
Dont forget one thing. Even pro boxers dont go all out all the time in sparring, if youre going to go all out in sparring everytime you glove up your going to have a lot of days off due to injury. In the early stages of sparring, you should keep the contact light to the head you start to step up the power as you and your partner begint to feel comfortable with it.

Really, sparring to the head is generally mroe technical anyway so if your guard and defense are good you shouldnt need to be getting too many punches to the face and so hard contact shouldnt be a problem if your both "good enough".
Full contact sparring with head contact is not for begginers you should get proper technique/defense/guard/footwork first.

Getting punched/kicked/whatever to the head does hurt, and anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is lying! However in full contact training you will be getting some training in countering and absorbing head blows which may be absent or inadiquate in semi-contact training. Added to this, my personal experience is that you tend to get less injured in full contact training as you tend to know that there is a good chance of you getting bruised so you are more carefull!

Very true dr evilneil
Semi contact people lack proper defense, they all claim on their flyers that they teach self defense blah blah blah and all they know is a few ****ty blocks that dont even work (only work against weak footslaps and backfists or punches that are thrown in slow motion)
Any good full contact system will teach good head movement and adequate covering as well as absorption of blows.

Hey drevil neil, youre not supposed to tell people that Full contact fighting hurts :P
youll scare ppl off,...
he he he

What is considered to be self-defence tends to vary from one person to the next. while i wouldn't disagree with what you've said, the inception of RBSD (Reality Based Self-Defence) was a direct response to misgivings about just about any rigid MA system being able to provide adequate skills (e.g. boxing doesn't teach kicks, kickboxing doesn't teach grappling, wrestling doesn't teach strikes, etc.). it was also about the fact that many sporting applications of MA are just that - sport (not self-defence). although combat sports/ma's may have self-defence applications, it doesn't actually mean that what's being taught is self-defence. what is perceived by one person as self-defence is perceived by another as inadeqaute.

at the end of the day, it's how you can use what you know, although i'd accept some systems do at least appear to be more appropriate than others. it's no good doing for example, kickboxing, and then assuming you can automatically defend yourself - you still need to be good at it. person A can do full contact kickboxing, be overconfident and get there ass kicked in a street self-defence situation just like person B doing stop/start etc. can do exactly the same. what good is either system then? no system offers any guarantees. people need to judge for themselves what it is that they're learning and consider any restrictions imposed by tradition or sporting rules, but any system can only be so good - if the person using it has no ability it might not make much difference.

True - nothing can offer guarentees - however you get good at what you train for. I would argue that, from a self defence point of view, it's better to have got good at hitting things hard and be able to take a shot rather than have got good at hitting air and just missing people! This is, I kjnow, a bit of a holy war in the martial arts community but in any fight I would put my money on someone versed in combat sports (boxing, kickboxing, wrestling, judo etc.) who has had the feedback of full contact sparring than someone who has spent years doing semi/no contact sparring or worse yet some over rigid fossilised form that does no sparring at all!

*pulls on asbestos underpants*!!!

rigid fossilised form LOL
i know what youre reffering to the kind of martial art where the sensei would say " the power of empty air striking would finish an attacker in seconds"

LOL

sorry mate that was too funny

Does anyone go to Chapeltown Karate club, and if so is it any good?

Originally posted by evildrneil
True - nothing can offer guarentees - however you get good at what you train for.

that seems a logical argument and one that i'd agree with (although i must profess to a total lack of knowledge re: semi-contact ma's). However, i've seen people involved with RBSD criticise combat sports using the same logic, i.e. if you train for combat sports (with all the rules and restrictions), then that's what you get good at. the example of the boxer ducking low to avoid a punch and getting a knee in the face for thier troubles, and the judo player 'turtling' on the ground and getting kicked to high heaven are both frequently used to illustrate the point, even though judo and boxing are both highly regarded as being useful in self-defence scenarios. same logic (you get good at what you train for), different perspective (RBSD vs Combat Sports as opposed to Full-Contact vs Semi-Contact).

Has anyone got Brian Aikens contact details? I would like to contact him and i'm not in shef at the moment.

getting good at a combat sport, ie boxing or judo still leaves you better off than being good at nothing, even if neither is exactly self defence because of the inherent differences.

Probably the closest you can actually get to self defence training would be MMA, minimal rules, full contact/full resistance. It's still not perfect because of the restrictions on biting, gouging etc... which don't apply in real life... But someone said to me on another forum something like this regarding such nasties.

If you're loosing a fight or think you'd loose to the point where you consider gouging an eye. What do you think the person who you already think can/is beating you is going to do right back in response and with the advantage of already being able to beat you...

It's upping the stakes by doing something like that, you have to be prepared for the other person to immediately respond in kind.

Of course sometimes it might be better than the alternative, if you think there likely to actually carry on and do serious damage or kill you, then you have nothing to loose as the stakes are already as high as they get.

JKD at the Source, certainly not lacking in sparring, should have been there 22/08/2005, thing is, you never quite know what you are going to be doing in the session, that's why it is always the best idea to turn up to all sessions, i think we did in the region of 5 3mins cos we started at 8:55 and fin @ 09:15 so considering swap time that would be about right, don't quote me though.

To be honest JKD @ the Source is not lacking in anything and Mark Hayes is certainly(as quoted before) Sh*t hot!!


Regards

To be honest, I dont really think that martial arts lesson like karate and tae kwon do are the best thing for street defense situations.

I dont really want to be cocky when I say this becuase I'm far less experienced than you guys. I went to jujitsu lessons a few yrs ago for about 2 yrs. Some of the techniques were very good indeed but I found that as I progressed to the higher belts, the techniques became far fetched and inefficient. I think that the best techniques that I learnt were the basic hip and shoulder throws and the ground fighting was excellent.

Anyway, I believe that combat sports where full contact sparring and fighting is practiced are much more effective for street situations because to put it simply: you are trying to hurt your opponent, while they are trying to hurt you, which is exactly what happens in a street situation. Combat sports such as the kickboxing freddylee speaks of are perfect for conditioning the body so that it can take and deliver blows.

Since quiting Jujitsu, I have only been reading stuff and following theories (in particular JKD) and although I have not been to any lessons, I have been doing some full contact boxing with my friend (body blows only). I can say that I have been in violent situations both while and after doing jujitsu and my boxing(ish) experience proved far more effective than my jujitsu experience.

Ian

Does anyone know any decent combat sports/MA sites that have good training advice and tips etc?

Also, does anybody have any advice on decent fitness workouts for martial arts etc? A good website is www.rossboxing.com. I have been looking at various plyometric exercises lately but the science of them is confusing me a little.

Apparently, the idea of plyometric execises is to perform excercies as explosively as possible, so for example, with a depth jump, you're meant to keep the time on the ground to a minimum.

I have tried some plyometric excercises and they all confuse me because I'm not sure if I'm doing them right. For example with depth jumps your meant to drop of a box and then when you hit the ground, you're supposed to instantly explode upwards but when I do them, unless I crouch a little I just do a stupid little jump. So basically I dont know if your meant to not crouch and just get less crappy at them or whether you're meant to crouch incredibly fast. So I was hoping you guys could tell me what I'm doing wrong and whether you have any alternative exercise to suggest.

Cheers

:hihi: hi all,i've just got back from training at brian aiken world of martial arts & fitness studio:thumbsup:

everyone i meet there was sound & brian is a really nice guy :P

here are the times & contact details

MON-adults grappling 7pm-8.30pm adults ju-jitsu 8.30pm-10pm

TUES- " " ju-jitsu 2pm-3.30pm woman's self-defence 8pm-9.30pm

WED-childrens ju-jitsu 6pm-7pm adults grappling7pm-8.30pm

THURS-adults grappling 7pm-8.30pm adults ju-jitsu 8.30pm-10pm

FRI-adults ju-jitsu 2pm-3.30 childrens ju-jitsu 6pm-7pm

SAT-adults grappling 2pm-3.30pm

SUN-childrens ju-jitsu 1pm-2pm adults ju-jitsu 2pm-3.30pm

contact brian aiken on tel: 0114 2013690
or 07859909963



i'd just like to say thank's to brian i really enjoyed myself tonite.:clap:


this is a great club 4 beginers & advance grapplers/ju-jitsu practioners alike.
keep up the good work brain & i'll see you soon:hihi:

Shotokan Katate Classes

MON - 8.00 pm - 9.30 pm. 393 club, Hillsborough
WED - 7.00 pm - 8.30 pm. Wisewood Methodist Church.

£2.50 per session.

You can find out more information at:
www.steelcityshotokan.co.uk

Or e-mail: steelcityshotokan@hotmail.com

I have been thinking a lot lately about training programs that I can adopt and thought it would be a good idea if people contributed their own ideas/schemes that people may find useful for MA, MMA and Combat Sports.

I shall get the ball rolling by explaining what I'm thinking of starting up soon:

Warm up (Shadow boxing)
Stretching & Mobility
Sprint x 3
Hill sprint x 3

Standard pull ups x 20
Wide pull ups x 10
Fat grip pull ups x 10
Narrow grip pull ups x 10

3 minute skill training on heavy bag x 3
30 second punch out drill x 5
1 min power punching
Long pad training

I have already started doing the sprinting part of this workout with my mates and I think it's always best to race against your mates when sprinting because it pushes you more.

I do the pull ups on some hoops at a park and use towels for the fat and narrow grip pullups.

just a comment on stretching (as part of a warm up).
I've pretty much dropped stretching for increased mobility from my warmups (which means from my classes warm ups as well).
Recent studies have shown that increased joint mobility actually increases the risk of injury.
Basically there is no benefit from that type of stretch, and there is a risk.
Movements to establish the full range of motion and warm the joints are still useful, but for example, unless you expect to be doing lots of high kicks there is no point in stretching your legs and hips.

I currently have "Functional Training for Sports" by Boyle sitting next to me. It's been there for about a year though, I really must get around to reading it.

Thank you for the training tips Ian Harris

Hmm, it's confusing isn't it? There are so many studies and reports etc that contradict each other. It's hard to know what to believe.

Thanks for your advice though, I shall definetely look into it.

Did the report/study go into any detail about which type of stretch can cause problems? For example, there is dynamic stretching, static stretching, ballistic stretching etc.

Also, talking of streching I always find dynamic type stretches better. At school, arm rolls were always considered a mobility exercise but I always find that they loosen me up far better than basic static arm stretches.

I don't think that the type of stretch matters. Whatever type it is, you stretch the tendons and ligaments, which reduces some of the support around the join, and allows it greater movement. So if it gets wrenched or twisted it doesn't have as much support as usual and can get damaged more easily.

Originally posted by Cyclone
getting good at a combat sport, ie boxing or judo still leaves you better off than being good at nothing, even if neither is exactly self defence because of the inherent differences.

I’d definitely agree with that, but IMO I think most combat sports/martial arts (not just semi-contact kickboxing), however effective they may be, have negative elements, as well as there positive elements. This IMO can thus lead to the development of habits that may be perceived as ‘bad practice’ in a self-defence situation.

As such I think individuals should not let detrimental comments on forums put them off from attending certain clubs, rather they should attend the club and assess if the style/teacher/pupils/training methods meet their own personal requirements. Just because one person doesn’t rate or like a particular style, it doesn’t mean the next person will feel the same. I’m not saying that some styles are not more appropriate than others for self-defence, but there are a lot factors to be considered and I don’t think that many of the recent comments that have been made on here are constructive or useful.

Originally posted by Ian_Harris

Anyway, I believe that combat sports where full contact sparring and fighting is practiced are much more effective for street situations because to put it simply: you are trying to hurt your opponent, while they are trying to hurt you...
Ian

I think this might depend on the particular club/style. Duriing several years (combined) experience of boxing, Judo and BJJ, I can honestly say that I've never tried to hurt anyone, in fact my experience has been that such an attitude is very much discouraged. For example i've frequently given away over 5 stone in weight during randori (Judo sparring), and if any of my 'opponents' had tried to hurt me i probably wouldn't have been able to train for several months afterwards.

the clubs that i've attended have always encouraged people to view others as partners, and as such, to look after our partners (because that way, they'll look after us). Seeing them as an opponent and trying to hurt them is a surefire way to reduce atendees either by way of discouragement or injury. i'm fully aware that i could hurt my partner if i wish (as they could hurt me), but i don't need to do so.

maybe saying that you try to defeat or beat your opponent would be better than hurt them.
Obviously in judo or bjj or jitsu you stop once your opponent taps, you don't go ahead and rip their arm off.
But you do at least have to 'fight' within the rules to achieve that position, and the position is such that you could use it to injure them if you were fighting for real.
Of course you'd have to get into that position without the advantage of the competition being limited by rules, but at least you're used to competing with a fully resisting opponent, which has to be better than nothing.

I think training with a fully resistant partner (all be it within certain constraints) is as good a test of our skills that most of us will get, unless of course a self-defence situation does arise.

some clubs/types styles may try to hurt their opponents, it's just not been my experience. i personally try to learn from both my partner and the situation that i'm faced with - i don't even always try 'beat' my partner. sometimes i'll focus on trying to escape from a particular position, or simply achieve a particular position, and other times i'll just concentrate on relaxing, 'win' or 'lose'. as long as i'm learning and getting better, that's all that counts for me.

Could anyone explain what those beasty heavy bags are called that look about as heavy a standard heavy bag but they are like a large ball.

I imagine these are in some respects better than standard heavy bags in the sense that they can be hit from more angles.

Surely it would be better for gyms to use these as replacement of standard heavy bags and uppercut bags as they are both in one.

Does anyone have any comments? Do they have dissadvantages?

maize ball right?
In our gym we have 4 standard bags,....
one uppercut bag, one "body bag" shaped in such a way for head body and leg shots, one ceieling to floor ball, one maize ball one speed ball and a "concrete" bag

All are good for different aspects

A boxing ring is important for ringcraft for full contact fighting (luckily we have a ring too)

Cheers Fred.

I had a feeling they were called maize balls but then I heard people talking about how they were used to practice slipping punches and speaking as though it was a small fast moving ball rather than a fat beast.

Someone also told me that they were called body snatcher bags.

Cheers

Ian

Well there are different sizes of maize balls some are smaller and can still be sued to practise ehad movement at point blank range as if its not as fast you still have to move out of the way.

The body bags can be called body snatcher bags if you like, they are a lot bigger and heavier round the body region so your body shots have to count to even feel any impact! well thats what ours is like, you can give it a full knee or a full shin kick to the body section and it doesnt feel anythign special, then pity the poor soul who you kick full on !

Has anyone been to the wrestling (not shootfighting) classes at 393 club? apparently they're sundays @ 1330 and wednesday 2015. i just wondered what type of wrestling it was, if anyone knows?

Pro Wrestling.
They do shows there as well

What exactly is 'pro-wrestling' freddy? is that like hulk hogan type stuff?

I am looking for a jujitsu class for my 10yr old son, preferably near to the sheffield 7 area where we live. can you help:confused: :help

have any of the instructors on the forum thought about doing a mixed martial arts demo - workshop's before???

sounds like a great idea
Ill ask my instructor. why dont you email him on
info@sheffieldkickboxing.com

Originally posted by Davemantis
have any of the instructors on the forum thought about doing a mixed martial arts demo - workshop's before???

Do you mean NHB, Vale Tudo type stuff Dave?

I don't think there's that much around in Sheffield, although the BJJ clubs cover some MMA and we've had some NHB fighters instructing us from time to time.

Anyone train at the capoeira classes at Sheff uni? What are they like, and any idea when they start up again? I'm assuming they're not just for students at the uni....?

Thanks

Originally posted by popup
I am looking for a jujitsu class for my 10yr old son, preferably near to the sheffield 7 area where we live. can you help:confused: :help

There's a club near Millhouses which isn't too far from you - they often advertise in The Star. I think they operate from a church hall.

Seh Dau School of Shaolin Kung Fu


OK any one now of this club or been what did you think????

looks like they do about 15 styles of kung fu

good going that mmm

never heard of sud dam or whatever theyre called
sorry mate
one club doing 15 styles???
whats that about???

Ddint know there was much martial arts activity round millhouses?

Anvil:
What is your opinion on "church hall orientated " martial arts clubs?

whats that about???
thats what i was thinking and looking at the list of styles he must be about 500 years old to have trained in them all. lol

all i can find is photos of people doing a type of freestyle from links to the site i found if i get time i might pop over and have a look some day

Wasn't there another thread for discussion? This one was supposed to be specifically a list of training times/venues as an easy reference.
I'll ask a mod to tidy it up again.

Mod: Similar threads merged.

hi davemantis
tell me more about this club, do they ahve a website? where are they based?

Originally posted by Freddylee
Ddint know there was much martial arts activity round millhouses?

Anvil:
What is your opinion on "church hall orientated " martial arts clubs?

Well, i've been to some clubs with excellent facilities but poor instruction etc., so i guess the opposite could be true. I believe that when the Gracie's went to the U.S. they operated out of a garage.

I reckon go along and check clubs out for yourself (don't judge a book by its cover and all that).

To True
its not the venue its who's teaching and how they teach,
i know a couple of people that started BJJ with the gracie's when they where teaching out of thier garage before the Torrance school was open

Didn't Bruce Lee train people at his home and also at the back of a Chinese restaurant (among other places)?

Anvil your right about Bruce Lee and where he taught, the last School he taught at was at 628 collage street in L.A Chinatown which is now a doctors office, its only a small building nothing special infact the first time i went to find it i missed.

My lad goes to Jupiter Taekwondo at Brecks Rotherham.
They're excellent :thumbsup:

He recently got 2nd place trophy for his pattern work at the South Yorks tournament held at Rawmarsh Leisure Ctr. :clap:

erm, what happened to the martial arts threads? i thought that initially they were tiedied up so that:

1 thread was for times, locations etc.
the other thread was for discussion...

now it appears they've been merged and not tidied...

Some of the mods just like to do their own thing.

crazy isnt it
so whats the latest topic of discuccion?

Originally posted by jay_kd
To True
its not the venue its who's teaching and how they teach,
i know a couple of people that started BJJ with the gracie's when they where teaching out of thier garage before the Torrance school was open

By sheer coincidence i trained in a church hall on friday night! the instruction was first class all the way.

what about kickboxing thouh anvil?
Should kickboxing be best taught:
1. in a church hall
2. in a posh health club (a-la fitness first/greens)
3. in a boxing gym environment with boxing ring and bags,..etc

Point for discussion. Starting a new club can be a pain in the backside.
We're currently trying to open up a club at Hallam Uni. It's proving rather difficult as people come and go, aren't available or tell you conflicting information.
Given the price sensitive nature of students and the fact that we run the clubs as cost neutral (ie we make no money, but we don't want to loose it) we need the dojo to be relatively cheap, at the moment it's gone from them giving us money to run it, to them wanting £50/session for the room hire.

Freddy

My earlier point was a generic point. I simply used the examples of the Gracie's and Bruce Lee to illustrate it - it wasn't specific to BJJ or JKD. IMO it is the instruction that is paramount in any MA, not the venue. I have no particular interest in the specifics of kickboxing, but given a choice between a 'good' venue and poor instruction, and a 'bad' venue and good instruction, i'd go with the latter every time. If all things were equal, i'd consider class size, location, times, price, attitudes of class to teacher/each other, facilities and my own personal requirements (not necessarily in that order) before considering the venue.

Cyclone

is that an additional club to your existing club, or is your existing club getting a 'makeover'? :)

it's an additional club, but it will be independant of the existing one.
Each university club exists as a sports club of that university, so whilst the same instructor may teach more than one club, in all other ways they are independant and have their own student committee for governance.

So whose idea is the additional club? surely it can't be theirs if they're wanting to charge you for the room? :confused:

Originally posted by ANVIL
So whose idea is the additional club? surely it can't be theirs if they're wanting to charge you for the room? :confused:

we spoke to them about it originally and they were happy to support it.
Now someone is off sick, someone else is in charge and they have decided that they can't afford it.

Hello


I want something which involves sparing but which isn't too full on and is 1-2 times a week and not too serious.
Anyone have any suggestions??

Many thanks

Hi dabler81

I'm not sure about taekwando, but one of the regular posters on here (freddylee) often recommends a kickboxing club in Sheffield city centre.

i believe from there website that they do a womens only class as well as what i assume are mixed classes (freddy could probably give you more info). I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for, but it's just a thought.

Hi Anvil
Thanx for the refferal
In answer to your questions dabbler:
The club i train at
1. have a few sessions based in the city centre
2. have sessions at the sheffield hallam uni
3. they have Womens class (in the town centre) on a thrusday night @ 730pm
4. They also have mixed sessions, the sessiosn at the uni have a lot of girls at decent levels, some are just above basic, some are rather advacned, it varies.
5.Some of the girls compete, but most do it for fun, fitness and the gradings.

Hope this helps

Thanks Anvil and Freddy Lee,

I have had a look at the website and think I will go along and see what I think - looks good!

Has anyone actually been to the shootfighting at 393 club (mentioned previously in this post). if so, what was it like?

i have heard that the shootfighting at the 393 is very good
one of their good figthers is called kavon fallah
then theres stelios, and ben theyre good fighters too.

Dabler 81
our club also do university sessions at sheffield hallam uni
there are 2 levels.
Beginer 730-830pm
Graded 830-930pm
Both on Tuesdays and Thursdays at sheffield hallam uni collegiate campus
email info@sheffieldkickboxing.com
for more information.

I fought Rosi Sexton in a friendly match at the weekend.

info on her here (http://aurondintch.tripod.com/)

I lost.

Hi Dabler

There's TKD at 393 club on Wednesdays as well. It's Olympic style (WTF). The club's called Pilsung and they have training sessions all over Sheff on different days of the week. There are two sessions on Weds at 393 club - one at 6pm and one at 7.30pm. If you want to do fight training the second one is more focussed around the sport element of TKD. It's pretty tough going though.

I'm female and I train about 4 times a week with that club. I've never had any probs finding other girls to spar with so if you can't find any at the other martial arts clubs you're trying out, maybe I'll see you at TKD.

Good luck finding something.

Originally posted by Cyclone
I fought Rosi Sexton in a friendly match at the weekend.

info on her here (http://aurondintch.tripod.com/)

I lost.

I saw Rosi in a Martial arts magazine a couple of years ago (can't remember which one). She has a strong reputation.

how did she beat you? :o

Originally posted by ANVIL
I saw Rosi in a Martial arts magazine a couple of years ago (can't remember which one). She has a strong reputation.

how did she beat you? :o

mainly by being lots better than me, which I knew she was. I wanted to see how much difference my extra 20kg made.
It was a Gi choke from the rear which I couldn't get out of which finished me off.

Originally posted by Cyclone
mainly by being lots better than me, which I knew she was. I wanted to see how much difference my extra 20kg made.
It was a Gi choke from the rear which I couldn't get out of which finished me off.

20kg extra? don't you just love Martial Arts? :D

The uni JJ club is looking good for this year, we had about 50 freshers turn up last night, and expect similar numbers for Sat morning.

We also got >100 interested people at the Hallam sports fair, so hopefully things will be moving ahead there.

cyclone
the hallam uni club, what nights do you do it on?
the club i go to
www.sheffieldkickboxing.com

do 2 classes a week at hallam uni.
there was something political with the sports union but i cant really understand what its about.
are you guys udner the sports union?

we don't have nights yet as we are still in discussion with the sports union. They've flip flopped from offering us money to open, now they want us to pay (rather a lot) for the room hire, and since we operate as non profit and charge around £2 a session we don't want to pay a lot for room hire.

Watch this space.

The sheffield hallam sports union are in all honesty a bunch of money grabbing rip offs.

When the kickboxing club was part of sports union (then called the athletic union) , they promised them a budget every year for equipment.
For years they wouldnt part with any budget and would come up with excuses like they would say that they have the equipment but the club "cant have it yet" because of blah blah blah.
Many a time they would conveniently "lose " the budget sheets and say that the club would have to wait till next term etc.

To make things difficult for the hallam kickboxing club they sanctioned a thaiboxing club in the same building which was taught by a guy who wasnt qualified, wasnt licensed and had actually had no actual ring experience.

The guy who taught the thaiboxing, his instructor was shocked that he was actually teaching too.

Good luck but the sports union are not nice people. If youre not footy or hockey/rugby etc,.. then forget about getting any help.

to be fair I don't think it's just Hallam that are like that.
I've been involved with university clubs since I started training at one in 96 and getting money from them is often like trying to get blood from a stone.
Sheffield Uni actually tried to close us down last year because (through their own incompetence) they didn't think that we had any members, we actually had over 50 paid up and at least 20 - 30 at every session.

We have a slight advantage this year that our style is now BUSA recognised (same as football and rugby) so the university actually gains something when we go to our competitions and come back with medals.

They should however check teaching qualifications and insurance requirements, otherwise they are negligent, we make sure they understand exactly what levels of liability insurance we carry as both instructors and every individual who trains.

Where is club 393? Sorry if this has already been said!!

Tartempion- does everyone at TKD at club 393 train as much as 4 times a week?

Thanks

Sarah

i doubt it
alot of martial arts clubs have a lot of sessions doesnt mean that everyone is as hardcore
the club i go to:

www.sheffieldkickboxing.com

also known as AFK

most of them only train twice a week , then youve ot the beginners who train say ocne a week.
some do 3 a week. The hardcoire members can train 4 or 5 tiems a week if their fighting on shows and all that foolishness

Freddy Lee what name do you train under? I have not see you there?

Hi Dabler81
1.I am one of the pad holders thats the first clue.
2. My fight name is the "hurricane" Farhad gave me that name and he invented a special combo for me only.

Ask him
LOL

The 393 club's on Langsett road in Hillsborough. Quite a few martial arts clubs resident there - I train in Brazilian Jujitsu (Mondays 6-7.30, Wednesdays 6-8), but there is also the Pilsung Taekwondo club, a kung fu club which run kickboxing classes too, the shootfighting club, a karate club and a wrestling club. (That I know of!)

I can recommend the BJJ and shootfighting clubs for practical fighters, and I've visited the karate, taekwondo and kung fu classes which all offer something for a more traditional / sport minded martial artist.

kung fu club that run "kickboxing" classes :P
LOL

there is a big difference between real kickboxing and Freestyle karate which is disguised as "kickboxing"

No disrespect to freestyle karate BUT people who practise freestyle karate should stop referring to what they do as "kickboxing"

Freddylee

I still don’t understand why you have a big hang up on people saying they do Kickboxing
and keep coming out with things like

kung fu club that run "kickboxing" classes LOL

when looking at the club you go to (might I point out is very good) states that what they do is a combination off Kickboxing, Muay Thai, Jiu Jitsu

I do get your point when people clamed to teach something that they don’t know anything about.

so what should they call what they do if not kickboxing???

I just don’t get it????????

Kung Fu has got kickboxing but a better name for it would be san shou

Dave

ps I am not having a go at the club you go to I do think they are V Good.

Brief description of san shou:

Full contact punches and kicks but no points are scored for these.

You score by knocking or throwing the opponent to the ground or getting them out of the area.

Traditionally this kind of competition was called lei tai and was performed on a raised platform so there was a real danger of injury if pushed off.

I hope to compete in this next april.

here's a clip from a google search.

http://www.sanshou.com/footage/2003clip.html

thanx dave
the club at the 393 club do semi contact points sparring which is NOT kickboxing.
since when have kickboxers worn tag mitts and had "slapping contests" on the mat?

Sanshou i respect totally as it is a hard sport.
But when you get walter mittys who play slapping/ tiggy on the mat using the name kickboxing , then it gives a hard sport a bad name.

By the way Dave, We do have instructors for Ju Jitsu (Saj) and Muay thai we have several padmen and Andy Marlow who teaches us the muay thai.

Hi all,

Good to see so much talk about local ma schools.

This may have been covered previously but i'm a newbie!

A number of clubs are advertising bjj and i wanted to know to what degree this was?

ie What belt they had, who's their coach. Is it from books they've read, seminars they have attended or are they having regular tutoring?

Bjj is the thing of the moment and good for advertising, i just wondered the qualifications they had to teach before training with them.

Thanks for any info:thumbsup:

Freddylee
I agree there is a difference between Freestyle, Semi, and full contact. Do they not do any full at all???

n_tomo
I have a student that wants to enter Next year (April) well if he gets some weight off that is lol. If you want to do some full contact sparring with him I can sort a date it would be good practice for the both of you. The too of you should be about the same standard.

Unless they have changed the rules again you do get points for kicks to the legs, body and head also for punching to the body and head but you do get 3 points for throwing and pushing out the area or to the ground.

I’m going to the November Comp on the 20th if u are interested give me a ring or you can have a look at the DVD when I get back.

Dave

Hi Dave,

I can't find the link to the bccma rules at the moment i'll have to have a check though. It will be the british open not sure of the exact date yet.


agh I'm doing a sabre vs spear demo at a fight night in Nottingham on the 20th. I'll be interested to see the DVD and would be glad to get some sparring practice in. I'll pm you.

Neil

TRUEBJJ: there is only 1 club in sheffield that can official run BJJ classes Gracie Barra Sheffield SEE Barra Thread for more info

The qualifications needed to teach BJJ are different depending on the club/team you want to teach for, As for BARRA you need to have a Barra blue belt, be assest by a BJJ blackbelt (There are 6 barra blackbelts in the uk i think but dont quote me on that) that you are able to teach to a good standard.

Coaches also have to under go regular assesment to ensure a high standard.


The only other club near sheffield is in Dronfield thats a Royce Gracie Club. There are NO OTHER OFFICIAL BJJ CLUBS IN SHEFFIELD
i dont know about Royce clubs, but you can contact jiujitsu_brazil

:thumbsup: Hope that helps

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YOU LOVE ME THOUGH :D :thumbsup: :heyhey:

And you call me MR KIMURA, or GREGGCHOKE MASTER, or SWEETCHEEKS

:loopy:

Hi Davemantis
In answer to your question NO that club at 393 club do not do full contact at all. They have only ever done semi contact points (and have occasionally entered their better students into light contact continuous sparring).
If they did get involved in the full contact scene i would be the first to congratualte them. As it stands it is people like that who are killing off real kickboxing.

Sanshou? How do you get involved in such tournaments?

British Council for Chinese Martial Arts and run a number of compeitions. Look at their website for events though i think their san shou link is broken.

there is a EuroWirral competition

I think DaveMantis mentioned that there is a competition in scotland too.

Freddy

I must agree if all a club is doing is semi then what they are doing is more free style than kickboxing.

Sanshou? How do you get involved in such tournaments?

Depending on the Comp but for most of them you have to do Kung fu and be under the BCCMA. There is an open Comp at the wirril but you still have to do KF the big down side is you don’t have to have been doing it for long.

Why do you like the look of the clip n_tomo put on???

he he he snap lol

British Council for Chinese Martial Arts
www.bccma.com

haha yep "great minds" and all that.

It is quite a good clip, the standard of competitors in the uk(from what i've seen) is getting better and better which makes these competitions great to watch and good for chinese martial arts as a whole.

are the sanshou fights on an elevated platform and all that?

No not any more, not the ones i've been to anyway. But it's one of the reasons why getting someone out of the ring scores points.

where can i find a good ju jitsu club in sheffield

The last time I went to the Wirral competition they did the semi finals on a laiTai (elevated platform) but that was about 4 years ago now.

Any way too many people keep getting there back all bent out of shape lol. I have seen someone land on there neck once not nice, someone go blind from hitting there head of the floor there sifu hit a couple of pressure points and then sent him back on (must be mad), seen someone get an arm broke and another get a leg broke. Seen a full face guard been smashed though and people paralyzed from pressure point strikes. But that was in the late 80's/90's the rules have changed a lot since then lol

try ju-jitsu clubs (http://www.yell.com/ucs/UcsSearchAction.do?ooa=on&searchType=classic&keywords=ju-jitsu+club&startOoaAt=5&location=sheffield&startAt=10&scrambleSeed=12287&ooascrambleSeed=12287&scrambleSeed=12287&ooascrambleSeed=12287&slscrambleSeed=&slscrambleSeed=&print=true&replayURL=%2Fucs%2FUcsSearchAction.do%3Fooa%3Don%2 6searchType%3Dclassic%26keywords%3Dju-jitsu%2Bclub%26startOoaAt%3D5%26location%3Dsheffie ld%26startAt%3D10%26scrambleSeed%3D12287%26ooascra mbleSeed%3D12287%26scrambleSeed%3D12287%26ooascram bleSeed%3D12287%26slscrambleSeed%3D) at yell.com.:thumbsup:

I've seen one on Little London Rd. opposite Stoke's Paints.
Should be worth a look.

yeah the one on little london road is decent, they do loadsa classes for most agegroups and abilities etc. although they hav moved around the corner to a new place. pm me if you would like more details :)

Apart from the club near Stokes Paints, there's a club somewhere near Millhouses (Abbeydale Ju Jitsu club i think), and there's some geezer on here (Cyclone i think his name is) who teaches Ju Jitsu at the Universities. :D

I trained briefly at the club nr Stokes Paints myself but it wasn't really my cup of tea - not really direct enough for me, but that's just me.

Originally posted by tasty113
where can i find a good ju jitsu club in sheffield

thanks for the mention Anvil.

Come along and try out the university club, we train Wed 19 - 21 at Hallam (Collegiate Cresent, Pearson Building, Movement Studio).
Thu 20 - 22 Goodwin Sports Centre, near the childrens hospital.
Sat 10 - 12:30 - Goodwin Sports Centre.

First session is free to see if you like it.

hey cyclone you guys still at hallam?
how is that going?

Funnily enuff the club i attend do classes there too

Hallam university , Movement studio :
Tuesday & Thursday:
Begginers 730-830pm
Graded people = 830-930pm

Just to keep this thread to the top AND to update people on the classes at Wellington Street Boxing Gym:

BEGGINERS KICKBOXING CLASSES:
MONDAY & THURSDAY AT 830PM

WOMENS ONLY KICKBOXING &SELF DEFENSE
THURSDAY 730PM

KICKBOXING OPEN CLASSES (ALL LEVELS) :
FRIDAY 7PM & SUNDAY 12 MIDDAY

KICKBOXING JUNIOR CLASSES (AGES 10 TILL 16):
FRIDAY 6PM

ADVANCED KICKBOXING (MAINLY FIGHT TRAINING&SPARRING)
MONDAY 630-830PM

COST £4 OVER 14, £3 UNDER 14

PHONE = 07775-914155

OR LOG ONTO
www.sheffieldkickboxing.com

Bear in mind its not the boxing gym on the corner, its the smaller one next door.

Oh and its near the devonshire Cat Pub.

Now that is sad Freddy we all know its not to keep the thread at the top you just like seeing your name at the top lol

ps do you get free classes every time you plug the classes????

just kidding
or am I

Actually Dave , Farhad has given me a special deal if i get good people through the doors.

LOL

But i must admit i do like seeing my name in lights :P

My Sheffield Hallam Uni club is now open on Wednesday nights.

1900 - 2100, costs £3.50 for non card holders.

The location is the Pearson Building movement studio, collegiate campus, near the botanical gardens.

any one wntin to do kung fu try laugar kung fu on scott road pittsmore sheffield with graham abdulla. Graham has over 20 years experience and is one of 20 gardians the highest grade possible. to get there by bus get 20, 75, 76, 97, 47,48, and ask for scott road.

Originally posted by jediwarrior
any one wntin to do kung fu try laugar kung fu on scott road pittsmore sheffield with graham abdulla. Graham has over 20 years experience and is one of 20 gardians the highest grade possible. to get there by bus get 20, 75, 76, 97, 47,48, and ask for scott road.

Me and my mate came looking for this place but drove round for about 30 minutes and nobody had a clue where it was so we ended up just going to the gym!

Quick question???????????????????????????

If a fight is supposed to be over in 3seconds is there a need for fitness in a self defence situation???



Don’t know why im asking this just thought it would be good to see what the response would be.

i'd say that a certain level of fitness is needed to train effectively and safely.

fitness is so important, you can be as fit at f##k but come fight time the adrenalin dump can be a real killer.. knowing my look the fight would last 5 seconds and i'd be shagged.:clap:

Originally posted by Cyclone
i'd say that a certain level of fitness is needed to train effectively and safely.

it depends on what's being trained. I trianed for 2 years in Wing Chun and fitness (in a genral sense, i.e. cardiovascular) was not required at all. As long as you could stand and move your arms you were ok. Relaxation was very important though.

Originally posted by Davemantis
Quick question???????????????????????????

If a fight is supposed to be over in 3seconds is there a need for fitness in a self defence situation???



Don’t know why im asking this just thought it would be good to see what the response would be.

i think it's a good question Dave. I don't think fitness would really come into play if a person's good enough (or lucky enough) to get it over and done with in 3 seconds. My worry about being unfit would be what if it lasted more than 3 seconds?

Of course the 'most fights last less than 3 seconds' thing doesn't sit very comfortably with the '90% of fights go to the ground' thing. :hihi:

I think that the most fights last 3 seconds thing comes from the ones you see down town on a saturday night where someone punches someone in the back of the head then runs away

most training lasts for longer than 3 seconds anyway, you need to be capable of training in order to be good enough to make your fights last 3 seconds.

Originally posted by Cyclone
most training lasts for longer than 3 seconds anyway, you need to be capable of training in order to be good enough to make your fights last 3 seconds.

most definitely true :D

You could also look at the point of the 3 seconds is the confrontation or conversation stage prier to the actual first strike? Worth thinking about.

So now how impotent is fitness???????????

Originally posted by Davemantis
You could also look at the point of the 3 seconds is the confrontation or conversation stage prier to the actual first strike? Worth thinking about.

So now how impotent is fitness???????????

it's still important, because without a certain level of fitness you can't train effectively and safely.

A fitter person will be more able to survive that first strike, and will be able to back up their technique with more strength, hence maximising the chance of the fight lasting 3 seconds.

Besides anything else, fitness is one of the main reasons I do martial arts - I find gyms etc. boring so combine fitness and technique in my training. The mind is sharpened during exercise, people sweating will be more attentive and receptive to learning techniques. Being fitter combats obesity and all the associated diseases that come with that, stimulates neuronal regeneration, keeps your heart healthy... Why NOT be fit? Even if it made no difference at all to fights it still makes a positive difference to peoples lives on a much more day to day basis than the two or three times most people are likely to be involved in fights during their lifespan.

People seem to regard the mind and body as entirely seperate entities nowadays, they're not. By getting fat, taking drugs, smoking, binge drinking and generally abusing your body you're destroying what makes you You. Although, I don't suppose being punched in the head is very good for you either.. no convincing link between amateur boxing and brain damage has been found yet but it definitely has for professional boxing.

Let’s look at what Anvil put

((((((((((((Of course the 'most fights last less than 3 seconds' thing doesn't sit very comfortably with the '90% of fights go to the ground' thing.)))))))))))

Just curios how many of you when having to defend yourself have gone to the ground (not counting the times you or your opponent have been knocked out lol)

I can only count on one hand the amount of times I have had to defend myself in a physical manner and I don’t know if it is luck but none of the fights have gone to the ground yet. (But then again I wouldn’t say they lasted that long)

anyway who says 90% of fights go to the ground who started saying that ??? it seamed a big thing to say not lone after the 1st UFC

I did.... because its true, most fights will end on up on the ground.... including when you or your opponant gets knocked down, people dont tend to just knock someone down then walk away calmly.

Maybe the 90% was a bit hight but i did say "somthing like"

"I can only count on one hand the amount of times I have had to defend myself in a physical manner and I don’t know if it is luck but none of the fights have gone to the ground yet"

do you mean you on the ground or just in general, because if i got knocked down i'd fight like a mad man to get back up, even though i fight BJJ, i still want to stand up on the street....

Originally posted by Davemantis
Let’s look at what Anvil put

((((((((((((Of course the 'most fights last less than 3 seconds' thing doesn't sit very comfortably with the '90% of fights go to the ground' thing.)))))))))))

Just curios how many of you when having to defend yourself have gone to the ground (not counting the times you or your opponent have been knocked out lol)

I can only count on one hand the amount of times I have had to defend myself in a physical manner and I don’t know if it is luck but none of the fights have gone to the ground yet. (But then again I wouldn’t say they lasted that long)

anyway who says 90% of fights go to the ground who started saying that ??? it seamed a big thing to say not lone after the 1st UFC

out of 2 as an adult, 1 went to the ground, in that the fight went to the ground, in the first I just went to the ground, never even saw the punch.
Will add though that both times a strong breeze would have knocked me over as drink had done for my balance.

BarraGergus

Don’t get me wrong if I ended up on the ground I would also fight like hell to get up.
Im just curious at how many fights have ended on the ground.

I have seen BJJ training a few times - they START on the ground :)

Brazilian jujitsu is almost purely a ground based system. It's a specialist style which most people who are interested in becoming an all round fighter combine with another style which focusses primarily on striking e.g. muay thai, kickboxing, karate etc.

But, if you're saying that bjj is a bad art because it primarily looks at groundwork and submissions you could equally well say that muay thai is flawed for only looking at stand up striking - neither cover every aspect of fighting but both cover their respective topics in detail and in combination would give you the skills that you'd need for most situations.

Originally posted by ironhorse
I have seen BJJ training a few times - they START on the ground :)

that's coz it's so easy to get ya there! :D

ahem, on a more serious note...

if you've seen the early UFC's you'll have seen Royce Gracie take his opponnents to the ground with relative ease, despite the strategies emplyed by other martial arts to prevent this. for example some martial arts theorise that to keep an attacker at bay you can use long range kicks or punches; others attempt to use the attackers forward motrion and strength, or short powerful knees and elbows, and yet others beliee that they can maintain there position by sinking their bodyweight to create a strong foundation. All of these methods work in theory, and against a compliant opponent of the same style of m.a., but in practice Royce and other members of the Gracie family have consistently shown that it's not that easy against a well-versed BJJ practitioner. As mentioned in the book No Holds Barred, one of the reasons that BJJ was so successful early on in NHB competitions was because it was easier to take away the skills of a stand-up fighter.

Now i'm not trying to imply BJJ is the be-all and end-all - it's not, but groundfighting does form a vital component of an all round fighting sytem. Before i trained in BJJ and did only stand-up, i was always scared i'd meet someone who did train in BJJ...

Having said all that, we train between 25% and 50% on stand-up techniques, so it can depend on the club and even the day.

Anybody interested in capoeira should check out cordao de ouro sheffield. The leading capoeira group in sheffield since 2004. Training 3 times a week and open to all. Will post a link soon.

www.sheffieldcapoeira.co.uk