My dogs were on Burns but constantly starving and scavaging around for food, plus their poo is always runny sometimes on it (although i must admit they had less poo which was a good thing.

I have tried Beta which is supposed to be a medium quality food but same again runny poo. im at a loss as to what to try tbh.

What about Iam's, im asking about the quality of the food compared to other top ends like science hills, burns, jwb etc..............Im sure it is just as good bu i can get it about £8-£11 cheaper than jwb and burns.

Do you add gravy to the dry food?
Runny or soft stools can be an indication of too much gravy or liquid in the grub.
I've been told that scavenging means that they aren't getting the nutrition they need - but i'm a bit sceptical about that personally.
Regarding food and the quality - you'll get as many opinions and choices as there are breeds of dogs.

Ive just had my frozen meat delivery from Landywood meats, dogs are meat eaters and deserve better than just complete all the time, my french bulldog as well as my large dogs love it.

No i dont add water. When i asked a few shops they said they had it heard before that it didnt fill some dogs. I dont think its to do with nutrition, its just lke us eating something not very filling.

I have read loads of people dont ue Iams due to animal testing which is fair enough.

I just wanted to know what the quality of food was in comparison to the other high ends?

Try them on a poor quality dog food, some food are to rich and upset the stomach

Raw food is the most natural thing you should feed your dog, why would anyone want to feed a dog carbhohydrate when its a meat eater, dont waste your money on expensive brands try raw and I bet you wont look back

Raw food is the most natural thing you should feed your dog, why would anyone want to feed a dog carbhohydrate when its a meat eater, dont waste your money on expensive brands try raw and I bet you wont look back

raw meat as in not cooked?my dogs wouldent touch it lol

I feed all my dogs on Royal canin. No messy poos and lovely glossy coats :)

yes raw meat, i have a 2 dogs and they are both fine on the raw diet, along with a lot of my mates dogs

all my four is on the raw diet,nothing cook at all

Raw food is the most natural thing you should feed your dog, why would anyone want to feed a dog carbhohydrate when its a meat eater, dont waste your money on expensive brands try raw and I bet you wont look back

Redtail, that's all well and good and I have friends who's dogs are on BARF and do fantastically. However, mine are no good on it at all - it just doesn't suit them (or me for that matter).

Some dogs do great on BARF, others don't.

Dogs are omnivores by the way, not carnivores.

To the OP: Both of mine are on Burns and do great with it but as this is not suiting them and if you want something similar why not give JWB a try?

Iams is 'ok' you'd just have to watch out for a change in your dog's behaviour I think as there are more 'unnatural' products (preservatives, additives etc) in it. However - I know a lot of people choose not to feed Iams after the whole animal testing fiasco. If this is something that may bother you you might want to look into it.

You could also try Eukanuba or as someone else suggested, Royal Canin (or of course BARF if you'd like to give it a try - it may well suit your dog fine)

I dont want to try the BARF diet thanks though.

Eukanuba do animal testin aswel i think, tbh i dont agree with animal testing but at the the end of the day if i found a food that suited them perfectly and it was tested on animals i would give it them. sorry cos i know some people wouldnt do this.

Whats that CSJ someone metioned?

It depends what you mean by animal testing. Eukanuba and Iams did different animal testing methods IIRC.

For example - if you taste test the product you cannot say it's not tested on animals. I'm not entirely sure how the conditions the animals were kept in differed between Euk. and Iams either.

I have tried CSJ... it is a working dog food so your dogs will have heaps of energy which, unless they are worked regularly may be too much for them to cope with.
I tried it as it had been used by other dally owners for a skin condition and it did help. However, it is very cheap - even when you take into consideration the lack of VAT and there's nothing to say where they source their meat from and whether it's even any good.

I can't remember having any digestive problems and like I say it helped my dog's coat - however, I do remember that she was a bit 'wired' as she's not kept for physical work and it just gave her too much physical energy for her to cope with - only my personal experience though.

If you google CSJ dog food you should find their page - I can't remember it off the top of my head.

Edit: Actually - the one I was recommended was very cheap (something like £9 per 15kg!) - some of the others are around £20 but I didn't look into exactly what they were like.

yes dogs do eat meat and other things too but give your dog meat or biscuit and no one can say that their dog wont go for the meat!! as lotti stated its more suited and convenient to the owners rather than the dogs
We are living in a idle world, would you eat the same food every day?

yes dogs do eat meat and other things too but give your dog meat or biscuit and no one can say that their dog wont go for the meat!! as lotti stated its more suited and convenient to the owners rather than the dogs
We are living in a idle world, would you eat the same food every day? My bold

I don't think you can really compare the way humans eat with the way dogs do. Mine have always had the same thing every day, whether it was tripe, tinned dog food, ox cheek, turkey or JWB Senior.

They certainly don't seem to get bored with same food - they're always ready for it and lick their bowls clean.

I switched to JWB light because Mina, 16, had developed slight arthritis and didn't take to the special food for it. She also has a tendency to gain weight, which isn't good for arthritis. JWB light provides the right balance for older dogs and fills them up nicely. Zeb gets it, too, because he's an old 'un, and he's equally keen to scoff it.

yes dogs do eat meat and other things too but give your dog meat or biscuit and no one can say that their dog wont go for the meat!! as lotti stated its more suited and convenient to the owners rather than the dogs
We are living in a idle world, would you eat the same food every day?

Excuse me!!

I did not say it was better suited to lazy owners than dogs. Please show me where I said that.

I said that it didn't suit my dogs or me. I spent a lot of time and effort with Takara's BARF diet and if it had suited her I'd have continued with it but it didn't suit her.

Please don't misquote me.

I feed dry complete with little extras - they are great on it and Takara is much better on it than she was on raw. They're also happy to eat the same food every day without the added extras.
Thank you.

mine are no good on it at all - it just doesn't suit them (or me for that matter).

so lotti, why does the raw diet not suit you?

I never said that it wasn't convenient to feed kibble. I said I would've continued to prepare it for them if it suited them.

It doesn't suit me because I have little freezer space, little time for preparation and do find it a lot easier to feed kibble but had my dogs done well on it I would find a way around it!

You said:
"its (Kibble) more suited and convenient to the owners rather than the dogs"

I didn't - I said that raw didn't suit my dogs anymore than it suited me! Had it suited my dogs, I'd be fine with that.

We will have to agree to disagree on this one, But the fact is i am right
Thank you.:hihi:

What exactly are you right about?

Dogs are omnivores and you are condoning feeding them raw meat as a diet. Where does the rest of the diet come into this? You don't mention any veg pulp etc?

I worked very hard to get the right balance with my dog and it didn't suit her. Are you saying that despite the fact she was malnourished, she was in fact, better off on an unbalanced raw food diet?

Fact of the matter is - our dogs are domesticated and as such their digestive systems have changed to a degree.
However - even dogs in the wild don't eat beef mince and chicken legs. So unless you let your dogs out to catch their own food and eat it whole, including guts and anything that it's prey has digested previously then your dogs are not eating a completely natural diet like a wild dog.

I couldn't get the right balance into my dog as she picked and chose what she wanted to eat out of the BARF diet and as such didn't get everything she should. As such she is far healthier, in better physical condition and much calmer and ready to work and think on the Burns kibble that she is currently on - often mixed with a bit of oily fish for not only a taste injection but also to help with her coat etc.

She will also soon be going on vetvits for her joints as she uses them heavily and is coming upto 4 years old.

I spend, on average 15 hours a day with my dogs (they don't sleep with me so that's when we are not together). They work with me, eat with me and spend most of the day with me.

They both need separate walks nowadays so with two dogs going for two separate walks a day and me being disabled, I spent £1800 on a mobility scooter to ensure I could get out with them and the youngest of the two could get some serious exercise even when I was unable to walk well.

They also get several training/play sessions a day to keep their brains exercised not just their muscles and put my whole life into my dogs.

So I would thank you not to suggest that I would pick the most convenient route for me and sod the dog because that is not what I am about!

I have never once said that what you do is wrong, that it doesn't suit your dog or that you shouldn't be feeding raw, I have simply offered a point of view that you appear to have overlooked - that some dogs just don't suit the diet. I'm not saying it's wrong, mine will get the odd chicken leg etc. but I cannot keep them on that as a diet.

I would appreciate it if you could refrain from judging others because they don't do everything the way you do - I go out of my way to ensure my dogs are happy and healthy and do not just choose the easy option.

To be honest there is nothing wrong with people admitting they havent got time to feed a barf diet, or any other type of particular diet.

As long as a dog gets a healthy BALANCED diet that meets their needs then ppl shouldnt be ridiculing people who dont feed the same as them!

Sorry BladeDD...

I got a bit carried away there... I think way back in the posts I did actually offer some advice on iams! :lol:

Sorry Lotti, I did'nt mean to hit a RAW nerve
My dogs get a full balanced raw diet i.e uncooked ground vegatables and fruit, and offal which contains all my dogs vitamin B needs.
And i go as far as giving my dogs whole rabbits including the fur, bone and stomach contents and whole fish.
Mine and many other dogs that are fed raw have such a variation in what they can eat, this has surley got to be better than feeding the same food day in day out.

Why has it got to be better??

Granted, I have a lot of time to give to my dogs. I didn't when I got them, but I changed my whole lifestyle because I wanted to.

I also understand that a lot of people love their dogs as much as I do, but don't have the same situation as I do and therefore don't have as much time.

If they find it easier to feed a full balanced diet that has been specifically formulated to ensure their dog gets the correct diet, why is that wrong?

Just because it's not done your way, doesn't make it the wrong way. As I said, I don't judge people for feeding raw, I don't judge people for feeding some of the cheaper dog foods if that's what suits their dogs I'll just never understand why so many people who feed raw are so judgemental over other people's choices.

And please don't insult me further by pretending to apologise and still taking the mick.

What you feed your dog is personal choice. The perception regarding suitability is personal. So if we can refrain from being judgemental i'd appreciate it.