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Stockers
10-06-2009, 13:22
Are statistically United and Wednesdays best players this season.

The Blades have Paddy Kenny, Kyle Naughton and Stephen Quinn in the top five in their position for the season, the Pigs have a few in the top ten, but not reight many!

Makes an interesting read pre season;

http://actimindex.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/champ_index_top100-copy.gif

CorkerSWFC
10-06-2009, 13:24
Seen it a few time's its not a true reflection the Actim in my eye's, some player's don't join the championship till January and others don't play full seasons due to injuries etc etc.
I call the Actim Index the consistency chart.
Why would Halford be 95th he's been by far your best player from what i have seen.
Yet Stepehen Quinns finished in 16th.

Stockers
10-06-2009, 13:27
Seen it a few time's its not a true reflection the Actim in my eye's, some player's don't join the championship till January and others don't play full seasons due to injuries etc etc.
I call the Actim Index the consistency chart.

It proves statistically who the best players in the Championship are though it Quinny is in the top 5 midfielders i'd hate to see the other 100 odd!!

LADYBIRDS
10-06-2009, 13:33
stats like all accountants prove can be read in all types of ways, Kenny is judged on clean sheets but how much of that credit should or has been shared via the stats to the defence ? As for Quinn !! who had a poor season. well the stats were very creative. Accountants Bah !!

CorkerSWFC
10-06-2009, 13:33
It proves statistically who the best players in the Championship are though it Quinny is in the top 5 midfielders i'd hate to see the other 100 odd!!

I wouldn't say it prooves that there the best player's as there are some positions on there being took up by some very strange characters.
A lot of those player's say in that top 30 will have played the majority of game's last season, which mean's that they will have consistently aquired points over the season, where as someone who has been injured or only signed in January wouldn't have even got a point even though they might be one of the best in the League had they been playing for the same amount of time.

al_partridge
10-06-2009, 13:35
Does anybody even know how this is worked out?

It may "statistically" say who the best players are, but based on what statistics? Seems to me that "fantasy football" type irrelevant things such as number of minutes played could even be a factor, based on the fact that 13 out of the top 50 players on there are goalkeepers.

CorkerSWFC
10-06-2009, 13:37
Ebankes Blake = there because of his goals
Tommy Smith = there because of his goals
Kevin Doyle = there because of his goals
Stephen Hunt = there because of his goals
Jason Scotland = there because of his goals

Do you see the pattern, the top 10 in the list consist of 8 strikers and 2 goalkeepers.
Infact looking a little closer nearly all of the keepers in the Championship are in it lol.

CorkerSWFC
10-06-2009, 13:39
Does anybody even know how this is worked out?

It may "statistically" say who the best players are, but based on what statistics? Seems to me that "fantasy football" type irrelevant things such as number of minutes played could even be a factor, based on the fact that 13 out of the top 50 players on there are goalkeepers.

You took the word's out of my mouth there, i noticed that also, it's defo goals and games what get you up near the top in the actim index.
How would you score without a midfield and a defence though?

CorkerSWFC
10-06-2009, 13:40
What is the Actim Index?
The Actim Index is the official player rating system of the English Premier League and Coca-Cola Championship. It was introduced for the 2004/05 season and was devised by statisticians at the University of Salford in partnership with PA Sport. In the 2006/07 season the Actim Index was enhanced by the addition of assists and clean sheets to the factors that are taken into account.

What is the purpose of the Actim Index?
It identifies the players who make key contributions.
It allows players to be ranked against each other at random or using such criteria as playing position, nationality, age, or geographical location of their team.
It highlights the key players in a league or team.
It shows the form of a player or team.
Individual player/team performances can be scientifically analysed over a season or period of time within a season.
It provides fans with the knowledge of who is the best.
How accurate is the Actim Index?
The calculations are based on the six key factors that contribute to a player's effectiveness and his ability to help his team win matches.

The formulae were devised through analysis of hundreds of games since the start of the English Premier League in 1992 and have been statistically proven to measure a player's effectiveness in winning matches.

How is the Actim Index calculated?
Complex mathematical formulae were devised to calculate the value of each player's contribution, match by match. In simple terms, the Actim Index comprises six calculations:

Calculation 1 - Assesses a player's contribution to a winning team, based on points won by the team when he appeared.
Calculation 2 - Assesses a player's performance in each game, by allocating points for actions that positively contribute to a winning performance such as shots, tackles, clearances and saves. It also takes points away from players for negative actions such as yellow/red cards and shots off target.
Calculation 3 - Allocates points based on time on the pitch.
Calculation 4 - Allocates points for goal scorers.
Calculation 5 - Allocates points for assists.
Calculation 6 - Allocates points for clean sheets.
Did you test the Actim Index system before its introduction in 2004/2005? Who came top?
Yes we did, and the Actim Index clearly identified Thierry Henry as the most effective player in the Premier League in 2003/2004. The Arsenal striker scored 30 league goals that season - eight more than Alan Shearer and 10 more than Ruud van Nistelrooy. Henry also performed well in terms of all-round play and total appearances - factors that recognise the important contributions of players who rarely find the back of the net. Henry picked up Index points for the quality of his crosses and passing as well as his appearance in 37 out of 38 Arsenal league games. This, together with his remarkable scoring record explained his lead at the top of the Actim Index in 2003/2004.

Is there a subjective element to the Actim Index? Do you award points for entertainment value?
The Actim Index only includes actions that can be measured objectively. Skill, passion and flair are subjective factors so they are not included in the rating system.

Where will Actim Stats and the Actim Index appear?
National and regional newspapers, magazines, websites, mobile phones, SMS alerts, TV and Radio both in the UK and abroad.

Isn't the Actim Index biased towards players who play for the top clubs? What about players who play well for less successful teams?
The Actim Index aims to identify successful players who contribute to winning performances. However, rewards for team success are only part of the final rating. Players on losing teams can still score points in other areas. The view is that players deserve recognition for contributing to team success, but should still be able to score points if their team draws or loses.

Roque Santa Cruz finished the 2007/08 season in a surprising 4th spot (652 points) after a tremendous campaign with Blackburn Rovers. The striker scored an impressive 19 goals in his debut season in the Premier League for a Blackburn team that only finished in 7th place.

Is it only players that score goals that do well on the Actim Index?
Goals do improve a player's score but the 2007/08 Premiership index proved that you don't need to be a hot-shot to make an impact. Arsenal defender Gael Clichy finished 10th with an index score of 565 but surprisingly did not manage to net a single goal, and Ashley Young who finished 5th netting only 8 times during Aston Villa’s impressive campaign.

Again, Gael Clichy (10th) managed to exceed Dimitar Berbatov’s position of 15th having not scored a goal with his 3553 minutes on the pitch compared to Berbatov’s 15 goals in 3148 minutes.

al_partridge
10-06-2009, 13:44
Cheers Corker - so all in all, it's not exactly definitive then!

Case in point - "The Actim Index only includes actions that can be measured objectively. Skill, passion and flair are subjective factors so they are not included in the rating system." So feasibly, it could rate Stephen Quinn as being a "better" player than Kaka :D

CorkerSWFC
10-06-2009, 13:53
Cheers Corker - so all in all, it's not exactly definitive then!

Case in point - "The Actim Index only includes actions that can be measured objectively. Skill, passion and flair are subjective factors so they are not included in the rating system." So feasibly, it could rate Stephen Quinn as being a "better" player than Kaka :D

Exactley lol, the bottom bit of it amazes me, that Clichey can beat Berbatov without scoring a goal, and not only that i seem to remembr Clichey making some right mistakes for Arsenal this season and im sure he got dropped.

scoobydotcom
10-06-2009, 14:17
Marcus Tudgay: 31st in the Actim Index ... But voted PFA Fans Player Of The Year In The Championship ...

MR BENN
10-06-2009, 14:22
Marcus Tudgay: 31st in the Actim Index ... But voted PFA Fans Player Of The Year In The Championship ...

strange that one aint it

CorkerSWFC
10-06-2009, 14:23
Marcus Tudgay: 31st in the Actim Index ... But voted PFA Fans Player Of The Year In The Championship ...

This i what the pfa chairman recently said about Marcus Tudgay

PFA's Mick McGuire, Tudgay is looking increasingly capable of making the step up to the elite division.

Pegasus
10-06-2009, 14:25
What is the Actim Index?
The Actim Index is the official player rating system of the English Premier League and Coca-Cola Championship. It was introduced for the 2004/05 season and was devised by statisticians at the University of Salford in partnership with PA Sport. In the 2006/07 season the Actim Index was enhanced by the addition of assists and clean sheets to the factors that are taken into account.

What is the purpose of the Actim Index?
It identifies the players who make key contributions.
It allows players to be ranked against each other at random or using such criteria as playing position, nationality, age, or geographical location of their team.
It highlights the key players in a league or team.
It shows the form of a player or team.
Individual player/team performances can be scientifically analysed over a season or period of time within a season.
It provides fans with the knowledge of who is the best.
How accurate is the Actim Index?
The calculations are based on the six key factors that contribute to a player's effectiveness and his ability to help his team win matches.

The formulae were devised through analysis of hundreds of games since the start of the English Premier League in 1992 and have been statistically proven to measure a player's effectiveness in winning matches.

How is the Actim Index calculated?
Complex mathematical formulae were devised to calculate the value of each player's contribution, match by match. In simple terms, the Actim Index comprises six calculations:

Calculation 1 - Assesses a player's contribution to a winning team, based on points won by the team when he appeared.
Calculation 2 - Assesses a player's performance in each game, by allocating points for actions that positively contribute to a winning performance such as shots, tackles, clearances and saves. It also takes points away from players for negative actions such as yellow/red cards and shots off target.
Calculation 3 - Allocates points based on time on the pitch.
Calculation 4 - Allocates points for goal scorers.
Calculation 5 - Allocates points for assists.
Calculation 6 - Allocates points for clean sheets.
Did you test the Actim Index system before its introduction in 2004/2005? Who came top?
Yes we did, and the Actim Index clearly identified Thierry Henry as the most effective player in the Premier League in 2003/2004. The Arsenal striker scored 30 league goals that season - eight more than Alan Shearer and 10 more than Ruud van Nistelrooy. Henry also performed well in terms of all-round play and total appearances - factors that recognise the important contributions of players who rarely find the back of the net. Henry picked up Index points for the quality of his crosses and passing as well as his appearance in 37 out of 38 Arsenal league games. This, together with his remarkable scoring record explained his lead at the top of the Actim Index in 2003/2004.

Is there a subjective element to the Actim Index? Do you award points for entertainment value?
The Actim Index only includes actions that can be measured objectively. Skill, passion and flair are subjective factors so they are not included in the rating system.

Where will Actim Stats and the Actim Index appear?
National and regional newspapers, magazines, websites, mobile phones, SMS alerts, TV and Radio both in the UK and abroad.

Isn't the Actim Index biased towards players who play for the top clubs? What about players who play well for less successful teams?
The Actim Index aims to identify successful players who contribute to winning performances. However, rewards for team success are only part of the final rating. Players on losing teams can still score points in other areas. The view is that players deserve recognition for contributing to team success, but should still be able to score points if their team draws or loses.

Roque Santa Cruz finished the 2007/08 season in a surprising 4th spot (652 points) after a tremendous campaign with Blackburn Rovers. The striker scored an impressive 19 goals in his debut season in the Premier League for a Blackburn team that only finished in 7th place.

Is it only players that score goals that do well on the Actim Index?
Goals do improve a player's score but the 2007/08 Premiership index proved that you don't need to be a hot-shot to make an impact. Arsenal defender Gael Clichy finished 10th with an index score of 565 but surprisingly did not manage to net a single goal, and Ashley Young who finished 5th netting only 8 times during Aston Villa’s impressive campaign.

Again, Gael Clichy (10th) managed to exceed Dimitar Berbatov’s position of 15th having not scored a goal with his 3553 minutes on the pitch compared to Berbatov’s 15 goals in 3148 minutes.

You Tell em Corckers mate :wow:

al_partridge
10-06-2009, 14:30
It's clearly not a definitive gauge of who the best players are. For example, there was a thread on here about keepers a few weeks back, which proved that statistically (based on clean sheets and shots saved), the best keeper in the division this season was Hahnemann of Reading - yet according to Actim he was only the 15th best keeper in the division :loopy:

Take the blades (please!). Their defence was fantastic, but 3 of their regular back 4 didn't even make the top 50 whereas the oft-criticised Quinn placed very highly.

Stockers
10-06-2009, 14:31
You Pigs are getting in right flap about this one, wasnt TUDDERS voted the PFA Player of the Month? If it was the season fair play to the lad i must have missed that one.

Stockers
10-06-2009, 14:32
It's clearly not a definitive gauge of who the best players are. For example, there was a thread on here about keepers a few weeks back, which proved that statistically (based on clean sheets and shots saved), the best keeper in the division this season was Hahnemann of Reading - yet according to Actim he was only the 15th best keeper in the division :loopy:

Take the blades (please!). Their defence was fantastic, but 3 of their regular back 4 didn't even make the top 50 whereas the oft-criticised Quinn placed very highly.

Hahnemann had probably his worst season for Reading and was dropped on a number of occassions.

He ended up being released.

CorkerSWFC
10-06-2009, 14:34
Hahnemann had probably his worst season for Reading and was dropped on a number of occassions.

He ended up being released.

Its the same with Doyle he's well up there but was injured and dropped for a lot of last season, it's the goals aspect which helped him get so high.

sheff71
10-06-2009, 22:13
Marcus Tudgay: 31st in the Actim Index ... But voted PFA Fans Player Of The Year In The Championship ...

Voted for by fans... in other words, votes heavily swayed by owls fans groups block voting for their favourite, when in reality most people not only don't rate that award at all, but most barely know it exists! Until it was mentioned on here for the monthly award when I think Grant won it, i'd bet many on here hadn't even heard of it.

It's like an itv phone quiz scandal this y'know... :) *allegedly*

scoobydotcom
12-06-2009, 10:28
THE CHAMPIONSHIP DIVISION CONTENDERS WERE:

Sept = Michael Kightly
Oct = Paul Gallagher
Nov = Kevin Doyle
Dec = Sylvan Ebanks-Blake
Jan = Lee Grant
Feb = Marcus Tudgay
Mar = Marcus Tudgay

from:

http://www.givemefootball.com/pfa-awards/championship-fans-pfa-player-of-the-year-award

good to see 3 out of 7 Player Of The Month awards going to Sheff Wed players ... maybe we're better than some Blunts will try and make you believe.......

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