Two protests against the Nazi BNP getting a Euro MP in our area.
Tonight, Mon, at 5pm outside Sheffield Town Hall
Sat (June 13) at midday outside Leeds Art Gallery

I trust that only people who voted will be allowed to join in?

It's a bit late now. :(

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/Euro-seat-for-BNP.5343165.jp

that is the whole point in a democracy isnt it?? that people can decide who they vote for ? and enough people in our region decided they wanted to give the bnp a voice so it is of no concern to you!!!!

will the same people be attending these rallies that attend every other protest march?
ie: tree huggers and social workers and the politically correct brigade.
grow up!!!! the people have decided

Two protests against the Nazi BNP getting a Euro MP in our area.
Tonight, Mon, at 5pm outside Sheffield Town Hall
Sat (June 13) at midday outside Leeds Art Gallery


Now I wonder how many people will attend who didnt vote?? Oh the Irony!!

Everybody has a right to protest just like (nearly) everyone has the right to vote.

Its just a pity BNP voters aren't more aware of what the party stands for and are only interested in snap shots of their policies. Nick Griffin was on the radio this morning denying the holocaust but admitting millions of Jews dies at the hands of the Nazis!
He also talked about indigenous population where only those with British born Grandparents would be eligable to stay in Britain. Not sure if thats just non whites!
If not then my wife's Irish grandparents means she's out!
This may give the apathetic non-voters (that includes me) the jolt they need to use their vote next time and not complain after the results.
The BNP are very good at targeting mainly white economically poor areas neighbouring areas with high ethnic populations where the 'locals' blaim their poverty and poor living standards on non-whites 'taking our jobs' and not their apathy, ignorance and complete lack of ambition.

Everybody has a right to protest just like (nearly) everyone has the right to vote.

Its just a pity BNP voters aren't more aware of what the party stands for and are only interested in snap shots of their policies. Nick Griffin was on the radio this morning denying the holocaust but admitting millions of Jews dies at the hands of the Nazis!
He also talked about indigenous population where only those with British born Grandparents would be eligable to stay in Britain. Not sure if thats just non whites!
If not then my wife's Irish grandparents means she's out!
This may give the apathetic non-voters (that includes me) the jolt they need to use their vote next time and not complain after the results.
The BNP are very good at targeting mainly white economically poor areas neighbouring areas with high ethnic populations where the 'locals' blaim their poverty and poor living standards on non-whites 'taking our jobs' and not their apathy, ignorance and complete lack of ambition.

could not have put it better, myself, granny...

Remembering that the "indigenous" populace, according to this lackwit, jackbooted party, is no-one whose family entered this land after 1066, so not even Norman ancestry qualifies, only pre-Norman.

Everybody has a right to protest just like (nearly) everyone has the right to vote.

Its just a pity BNP voters aren't more aware of what the party stands for and are only interested in snap shots of their policies. Nick Griffin was on the radio this morning denying the holocaust but admitting millions of Jews dies at the hands of the Nazis!
He also talked about indigenous population where only those with British born Grandparents would be eligable to stay in Britain. Not sure if thats just non whites!
If not then my wife's Irish grandparents means she's out!
This may give the apathetic non-voters (that includes me) the jolt they need to use their vote next time and not complain after the results.
The BNP are very good at targeting mainly white economically poor areas neighbouring areas with high ethnic populations where the 'locals' blaim their poverty and poor living standards on non-whites 'taking our jobs' and not their apathy, ignorance and complete lack of ambition.

Spot on... 100% agree

same old crap regurgitated :rolleyes:

could not have put it better, myself, granny...

Remembering that the "indigenous" populace, according to this lackwit, jackbooted party, is no-one whose family entered this land after 1066, so not even Norman ancestry qualifies, only pre-Norman.

I think they might have to go back to 55BC as only pre-Roman would actually qualify.

A protest in democracy!

Maybe you should have done more work on behalf of your party in order to get them to win rather than staging demonstrations because you don't like who won AFTER the event.

an anti democracy protest!!!!!
you couldnt make it up

Maybe you should have done more work on behalf of your party in order to get them to win rather than staging demonstrations because you don't like who won AFTER the event.


Exactly, the party that won got the most votes....I for one did not vote for them though, but I did vote. I have no complaints and nor should the OP :loopy:

Everybody has a right to protest just like (nearly) everyone has the right to vote.

Exactly - It wasn't particularly easy for me to get the vote in the late 1980's when I was 18. In the 1997 general election I tried to encourage one of my work colleagues (who showed apathy to vote) without influencing her on which part or candidate to vote for.

Two protests against the Nazi BNP getting a Euro MP in our area.
Tonight, Mon, at 5pm outside Sheffield Town Hall
Sat (June 13) at midday outside Leeds Art Gallery(yawn...) "Yay me," long live Nick Griffin....

:)

It's a little late now jooolza, some of your neighbours, friends perhaps even family voted them in.

There was an election, people voted and BNP got a seat, you, I, others might not like but others disagree so live with it.

I'm also reporting your thread since it should be in the 'Going out in Sheffield' forum.

the OP wants to march against a party elected in a demacratic process ?

its quite obvious.. if somebody is elected.. you will have more people fighting for the party than you will against them..

some people just like going on protest marches. the same scruffy tree huggers will be on this protest march as on all the other ones against fox hunting, meat eating and anyone who doesn't like what they like. i hope the police are out in force.

protest against the protests against the Nazi BNP getting a Euro MP in our area.
Tonight, Mon, at 5pm outside Sheffield Town Hall
Sat (June 13) at midday outside Leeds Art Gallery
now wouldnt that be a laugh........

protest against the protests against the Nazi BNP getting a Euro MP in our area.
Tonight, Mon, at 5pm outside Sheffield Town Hall
Sat (June 13) at midday outside Leeds Art Gallery
now wouldnt that be a laugh........

sorry mate but i protest... leeds??

same old crap regurgitated
Is that the BNP's manifesto?

Everybody has a right to protest just like (nearly) everyone has the right to vote.

Its just a pity BNP voters aren't more aware of what the party stands for and are only interested in snap shots of their policies. Nick Griffin was on the radio this morning denying the holocaust but admitting millions of Jews dies at the hands of the Nazis!
He also talked about indigenous population where only those with British born Grandparents would be eligable to stay in Britain. Not sure if thats just non whites!
If not then my wife's Irish grandparents means she's out!
This may give the apathetic non-voters (that includes me) the jolt they need to use their vote next time and not complain after the results.
The BNP are very good at targeting mainly white economically poor areas neighbouring areas with high ethnic populations where the 'locals' blaim their poverty and poor living standards on non-whites 'taking our jobs' and not their apathy, ignorance and complete lack of ambition.

Is it not a coincindence that pitsmoor , darnall , sharrow etc are all poor dirty areas to live in? Is it right that as a white person you feel threatened walking around them streets? i'm pro immigration anti colonisation

Is that the BNP's manifesto?

The manifesto for all three main parties as well - which is my vote was for none of those four.

Is it not a coincindence that pitsmoor , darnall , sharrow etc are all poor dirty areas to live in? Is it right that as a white person you feel threatened walking around them streets? i'm pro immigration anti colonisation (my bold for emphasis)

Which presumably means you want immigrants to keep their own culture rather than being assimilated into British culture?

As a white person I don't feel in any way threatened in the areas you describe. Yes, they could do with some attention and a clean-up and maybe more of a presence from the council etc, but the idea that you're under threat because you're white is daft. Under threat of what?

The BNP seem to have a heavy handed approach, and some would say it goes a step too far, the fact is people have voted for them and so they have gained seats just like any other political party is allowed to do and has offered the right for any other party to attempt.

The fact UKIP has found themselves in second place i believe is a percentage of the uk population want out of the EU, they want our government to stop looking like a whore and they want a return of job security, UKIP are not as heavy handed as the bnp and you could argue they are the more politically correct choice for people, needless to say i think the next election is going to be a shocker and labour is extremely close to being in 4th or worse come the general election.

As for protesting against a fair and democratic election of some bnp members, unless you can find some evidence this vote has been counted wrong, or indeed tampered with, it might be best not to rally as you may only end up rally support FOR them, not against them.

some people just like going on protest marches. the same scruffy tree huggers will be on this protest march as on all the other ones against fox hunting, meat eating and anyone who doesn't like what they like. i hope the police are out in force.

it will be the usual rent a mob

What I find worrying is the parallels with what happened in Germany in the thirties. We aren't in such dire circumstances as the Germans were, but Hitler's Nazis gained power by pandering to peoples fears and convincing them that the Jews (mainly, but lots of others were drawn into the net) were responsible for the state of the country's economy. I would have hoped people were better educated these days, not to mention having the example of Hitler's mad murderous rampage, but clearly I was too optimistic.

I understand the vital importance of democracy, but is there no way this evil party can be stopped. I thought race hate was a crime?

I trust that only people who voted will be allowed to join in?

Very good point indeed.

I thought race hate was a crime?

Haven't you seen their sympathisers on here or their party election broadcasts. They keep screaming 'we're not racist', so that should be enough to prove it, no? I mean, their policies and manifestos aren't the issue, it's whether or not they say 'we're not RACIST' loudly enough.

Sadly, many people might just take that as truth and never read their policies...

If people where that bothered about who got the vote, maybe they should have gotten off their backsides on thursday and voted! What was the last elections advert? Wasn't it "No Vote = No Voice"?

I didn't want BNP to get a seat, I voted (not BNP of course) yet they have won on majority/fairly. and I will not be protesting.

As someone has mentioned unless they can prove it was rigged/miscounted they don't have a case for a rally. Would be interesting to see how many of the ones that turn up actually voted.

What I find worrying is the parallels with what happened in Germany in the thirties. We aren't in such dire circumstances as the Germans were, but Hitler's Nazis gained power by pandering to peoples fears and convincing them that the Jews (mainly, but lots of others were drawn into the net) were responsible for the state of the country's economy. I would have hoped people were better educated these days, not to mention having the example of Hitler's mad murderous rampage, but clearly I was too optimistic.

I understand the vital importance of democracy, but is there no way this evil party can be stopped. I thought race hate was a crime?

Thats an interesting take on History. Look past the obvious Jewish thing and do a bit more reading. One of the key things that got Hitler into power where the French. They funded a campaign to have the Rhineland as an annexed division from Germany and also attempted to have Bavarian as a independent Monarchy (we saw what funding rebels did when the CIA tried it). This would have effectively crippled Germany and left it as a marginal shadow of its former self. French incursion into the Rhineland which Germany couldn't defend because they had been demilitarized also lead to a sense of being humiliated. Britain at the time also complained about French action. If you humiliated a nation then it only takes a spark to make it become the aggressor.

The obvious but better known actions of the 3rd Reich came after this. These are the bitter facts that people often ignore. European arrogance after WW1 cause alot of the problems that bought him to power.

If i see any parallel it is that a democratic proportion of the population is being vilified. The fact is that with some Tory, a lot of UKIP and a sprinkling of BNP. It shows a large proportion of the population thing immigration no matter how important and vital it is, is currently out of proportion.

People voted. To try and stop BNP or any other party taking up their seats is to say a % of the voting public are irrelevant and should be ignored. Thats a naive and dangerous path to tread.

Let them take their seats in Europe and nationally. Challenge their work and there policies democratically and impirically. If your argument is better then you win. Thats how democracy works. Its the mature approach rather than the uneducated reactionary one.

I voted. I've also signed this (http://action.hopenothate.org.uk/page/s/notinmyname), and I'd urge any rational, intelligent person to sign it as well.

If people where that bothered about who got the vote, maybe they should have gotten off their backsides on thursday and voted! What was the last elections advert? Wasn't it "No Vote = No Voice"?

I didn't want BNP to get a seat, I voted (not BNP of course) yet they have won on majority/fairly. and I will not be protesting.

As someone has mentioned unless they can prove it was rigged/miscounted they don't have a case for a rally. Would be interesting to see how many of the ones that turn up actually voted.

Exactly my feelings. I voted, as I always do, and did not vote BNP. I assume the election to have been a fair process and will not therefore protest; if I were to do so, I feel that I would be protesting against democracy which is fundamental to a free and fair society. In a democracy, we have to get used to the fact that we may not like the outcome of an election. For those who didn't bother voting, but don't like what's happened, please use your vote next time.

Stevie B

Is it not a coincindence that pitsmoor , darnall , sharrow etc are all poor dirty areas to live in? Is it right that as a white person you feel threatened walking around them streets? i'm pro immigration anti colonisation

I'd feel more threatened walking through the Manor!

The BNP are very good at targeting mainly white economically poor areas neighbouring areas with high ethnic populations where the 'locals' blaim their poverty and poor living standards on non-whites 'taking our jobs' and not their apathy, ignorance and complete lack of ambition.

It's that kind of stereotyping which leads people to vote for extremists like the BNP. How about people let down by crap schooling, lack of affordable housing, being brought up in poverty and only knowing basic 'survival' and being viewed as 'scum' and 'chavs' by those luckier than themselves?

We should actually listen to what people have to say and maybe do something about their worries and allay their fears instead of just saying anyone who voices discontent about migrant workers, gypsy camps etc is a "racist".

It's just a shame those who felt they had no 'voice' didn't know about the existence of anti-racist parties like No2EU who are socialist, anti-EU and also against racism, because the ethnic minorities and migrant workers are also victims in this exploitative economic free market.

Is it not a coincindence that pitsmoor , darnall , sharrow etc are all poor dirty areas to live in? Is it right that as a white person you feel threatened walking around them streets?


No, that's definitely wrong. I am a white person, and even in the first month being here, I've walked through almost entirely non-white areas without feeling in the slightest danger. I did so in London; I did so in Leicester. I shall continue to do so in Sheffield, and ignore all the doom-mongers who would have me believe it's not safe.

Exactly my feelings. I voted, as I always do, and did not vote BNP. I assume the election to have been a fair process and will not therefore protest; if I were to do so, I feel that I would be protesting against democracy which is fundamental to a free and fair society. In a democracy, we have to get used to the fact that we may not like the outcome of an election. For those who didn't bother voting, but don't like what's happened, please use your vote next time.


If the purpose of the march/protest is to make people aware of the dangers of their not voting, I'm all in favour of it. If there is some sort of desire to nullify the BNP winning a seat on the grounds they shouldn't be allowed it - then, most definitely, no.

Oh and by the way, the BNP vote was low in Sheffield (which bucked the trend and voted Labour), the very area where there are lots of ethnic minorities. However, it was very high in areas like Doncaster, Barnsley and Rotherham which are almost exclusively white. So something else is going on, and I'd suggest it is actually fear rather than experience of actually living with and mixing with people of other races.

the run down on the votes locally is here


http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/Euro-seat-for-BNP.5343165.jp

If the purpose of the march/protest is to make people aware of the dangers of their not voting, I'm all in favour of it. If there is some sort of desire to nullify the BNP winning a seat on the grounds they shouldn't be allowed it - then, most definitely, no.

Its a protest against them winning the seat.

Hopefully people will learn from this and vote next time. As only 32% of Yorkshire and Humberside voted, according to the Star.

Its a protest against them winning the seat.


That's hardly specific, though. Are they protesting against the people who voted for them, against the decision to give them a seat, or is it just some nebulous, unspecified "the BNP are bad guys" protest?

Put another way .. what result would the protesters consider to be a success?

That's hardly specific, though. Are they protesting against the people who voted for them, against the decision to give them a seat, or is it just some nebulous, unspecified "the BNP are bad guys" protest?

Put another way .. what result would the protesters consider to be a success?

As I said by the looks its literally because they won 2 seats and they don't want them to have them.

So it's a protest against them having the 2 seats, which has been pointed out also means they are against democracy.

The BNP are very good at targeting mainly white economically poor areas neighbouring areas with high ethnic populations where the 'locals' blaim their poverty and poor living standards on non-whites 'taking our jobs' and not their apathy, ignorance and complete lack of ambition.


Oh dear, yet another liberal leftie coming out with the 'indigenous lazy dolie, chav vs hard working migrants' dichotomy or division, it is not only dangerous, its wrong: my Hungarian friend for instance tells me, there are plenty of 'lazy people' in her country, its the 'go-getters' who come here, often the people most needed, particularly in the developing world. One could also ask who did these jobs for many years, the working class did! till Thatcher destroyed their communities and confidence. The new cruel Welfare Reforms will also see many U.K people of all ethnicities competing with migrants from all around the world for minimum wage work in a neo-liberal race to the bottom.

No2EU, Yes To Democracy had a balanced approach and fair approach to these issues, shame so few voted for them...

Hopefully people will learn from this and vote next time. As only 32% of Yorkshire and Humberside voted, according to the Star.

Doubt it - many stars of screen, music and sport, the trade unions, social organizations and church leaders were all saying don't vote BNP before this election. People failed to learn then.

As I said by the looks its literally because they won 2 seats and they don't want them to have them.

So it's a protest against them having the 2 seats, which has been pointed out also means they are against democracy.

exactly -so i take it that those protesting are in favour of living in a dictatorship where they can olny vote for certain people

As I said by the looks its literally because they won 2 seats and they don't want them to have them.

So it's a protest against them having the 2 seats, which has been pointed out also means they are against democracy.

The one doesn't prove the other. I'm against the BNP having two seats, and I hope to see them removed at the next round of elections. I don't support them not being allowed to take the seats.

Whats wrong with protesting?.. if the democratic process allowed the Nazi's in, surely it should warrant a right to protest. It's not as if they're exactly going to do much anyway, no one takes them seriously and giving them a seat is just basically to keep it warm for when the proper elections take place.

That's hardly specific, though. Are they protesting against the people who voted for them, against the decision to give them a seat, or is it just some nebulous, unspecified "the BNP are bad guys" protest?

Put another way .. what result would the protesters consider to be a success?

my bold

This is the reason they are protesting, I hope you understand this now...

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/euro-seat-for-bnp.5343165.jp

that is the whole point in a democracy isnt it?? That people can decide who they vote for ? And enough people in our region decided they wanted to give the bnp a voice so it is of no concern to you!!!!

Will the same people be attending these rallies that attend every other protest march?
Ie: Tree huggers and social workers and the politically correct brigade.
Grow up!!!! The people have decided


here here !!!!!!!

I disagree with the protest. It is effectively a protest against democracy. BNP have got two seats because people voted for them, either because they truly believe the policies are good, or because they just want to create a reaction.

A protest up town would only serve to bring more attention to the BNP and strengthen the cause. I don't agree with the BNP, I voted otherwise, and I believe folk who voted for them should be ashamed of themselves. Supporters of the BNP are less British in my view and only show their stupidity. It goes against everything that we stood against 65 years ago and having lost a Jewish grandfather to Hitler's camps in Poland it is sickening to hear the leader of the BNP deny the Holocaust!

That I am not happy with the outcome is obvious, but to protest against it after the event is just daft. The correct approach is to challenge the party democratically, with reasoned debate and at future elections.

the run down on the votes locally is here


http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/Euro-seat-for-BNP.5343165.jp

Nice to see, in spite of the two MEPs, the BNP vote in yorkshire actually went down

Remenber when voters in the USA got so annoyed about being told how to vote that they turned out FOR George Bush the second time around?

I wonder how many people decided to vote BNP simply because they were told not to?

Look at the figures: Sheffield did not vote BNP. The planned demonstration serves no purposes other than to raise the profile of the BNP some more.

I have actually looked at and do agree with certain BNP policies. I however won't vote bnp at present as i still have concerns as to their true intentions, some of their manifesto and their leader is not the person i think should be leading them on their journey.

There are people who just shout VOTE BNP, or DON'T VOTE BNP and the loudest are usually the ones who don't even read about them, read their policies or have any clue, they just enjoy the ranting back and forth. Im about to become a father, im wanting to provide security and stability to my family and of course gain what i can for the future in terms of finances and opertunities. The usual top 3 are trying to tell us what they think we want to hear but they are way off on some subjects and that's where UKIP and the BNP are gaining ground.

If the bnp were to take a different stance, stop seeming so much like racist biggots and voiced some true answers to other issues it's plausible for them to become legitimate candidates for a section of our society. In case your wondering which policies i back, those would be the return to english values focusing on tougher criminal penalties, a clampdown on anti social behaviour, and giving this country back some sense of social safety, as well as giving us back a little power to cope with our current social and economic problems. I don't agree with their heavy handed immigration views, although i do think enough is enough at least for a few years while this country gets back on it's feet.

As i said earlier and the top 3 should really take notice of this, UKIP have achieved 2nd place in this round and the current party in power is down in 3rd, the people have spoken and luckily not so much for the current bnp party, but for greater control over our economy and jobs, greater accountability and for a change....and we have all seen this happen to the americans in recent months, there is nothing really stopping our own nation taking a stance of change.

Two protests against the Nazi BNP getting a Euro MP in our area.
Tonight, Mon, at 5pm outside Sheffield Town Hall
Sat (June 13) at midday outside Leeds Art Gallery
DE"MOCK"RACY
sir,i do not agree with what u say but will defend to death ur right 2 say it!!
ppl who don't agree with their policy will give them more support(see above) if this goes ahead:loopy: theres nothing u can do they were voted in:loopy: if their force out of power!!!don your round heads is civil war!!!

I wonder how many people decided to vote BNP simply because they were told not to?

Probably the same number that would vote for Candidate C of the following if all stood for election.

Candidate A:
Associates with crooked politicians and consults with astrologists. He's had two Mistresses. He also chain smokes and drinks 8 to 10 martinis a day.

Candidate B:
He was kicked out of office twice, sleeps until noon, used opium in college and drinks a quart of whiskey every evening.

Candidate C:
He is a decorated war hero. He's a vegetarian. He doesn't smoke, drinks an occasional beer and never cheated on his wife.

Look at the figures: Sheffield did not vote BNP. The planned demonstration serves no purposes other than to raise the profile of the BNP some more.
Yeah, 12% of the voters in Sheffield voted for a fascist to represent them in Europe. Shameful. Makes you think your neighbours are a bunch of racists.

Oh dear, yet another liberal leftie coming out with the 'indigenous lazy dolie, chav vs hard working migrants' dichotomy or division, it is not only dangerous, its wrong: my Hungarian friend for instance tells me, there are plenty of 'lazy people' in her country, its the 'go-getters' who come here, often the people most needed, particularly in the developing world. One could also ask who did these jobs for many years, the working class did! till Thatcher destroyed their communities and confidence. The new cruel Welfare Reforms will also see many U.K people of all ethnicities competing with migrants from all around the world for minimum wage work in a neo-liberal race to the bottom.

No2EU, Yes To Democracy had a balanced approach and fair approach to these issues, shame so few voted for them...

Funny how many people have blindly been suckered into thinking economic migrancy is a good thing. They might think again if they have the bum-clenching experience of not being able to get a job because some exploited worker from Poland can do it more cheaply.

Probably the same number that would vote for Candidate C of the following if all stood for election.

Candidate A:
Associates with crooked politicians and consults with astrologists. He's had two Mistresses. He also chain smokes and drinks 8 to 10 martinis a day.

Candidate B:
He was kicked out of office twice, sleeps until noon, used opium in college and drinks a quart of whiskey every evening.

Candidate C:
He is a decorated war hero. He's a vegetarian. He doesn't smoke, drinks an occasional beer and never cheated on his wife.

We all know that B is Churchill and C is Hitler... (I forget who A is) and the only reason he didn't cheat on the wife is that he ate a half-ounce of lead an hour or two after marrying her!!!)

the thing is, fortunately, we have more than the one sentence soundbite to make our minds up whether X, Y or Z is best placed to represent us, we have history, and track-records to help us decide. And I have to say with their track record, many of the BNP membership have proven themselves to be racist, violent thugs, (their possessing criminal records, as proof of my assertion) who haven't got a single decent policy within the party.

I am by no means pro BNP but, as someone has mentioned on here, people are picking parts of what BNP stand for and its swinging their views. What needs to be taken from this is that people are not being listened to, the BNP have mentioned workers coming to the uk, people feel very very strongly about this and all to often no one listens.
Before i get jumped on, i know that the europeans are doing the jobs that thos that were out of work before the recession didnt want, but now we are in recession there are those on benefits that DO want to work. Agencies no longer have an abundance of work.

It's fine being politically correct but as i have mentioned many times, we are a very small island that is filling up far to quickly.

Cuey, you are right but so am I.
The Germans did feel humiliated after WW1, but they were in economic meltdown after the Wall St crash when the USA called in loans. Unemployment shot up in a very few years. When Hindenburg made Hitler chancellor he opened the door for Hitler to walk in and take power.

They wouldn't have got the seats if people hadn't voted for them now would they! Obviously people want that political party to have a say in what happens in europe. It won't make any difference anyway as the people have spoken and now they have the seats, end of!!!

I voted. I've also signed this (http://action.hopenothate.org.uk/page/s/notinmyname), and I'd urge any rational, intelligent person to sign it as well.If it was "Gordon Brown NOT IN MY NAME".............................a lot more people would sign!...........if this shower in charge had correctly addressed the mass immigration problem in the first place instead of their preoccupation with twisting the rest of us over their expenses,there would be very little interest in the BNP!...............as someone has posted previously. Islam may be a greater threat in this country than the BNP.

I love all the knee-jerk responses.

Now they're in, how about seeing how they go about their jobs before casting the first stone.

We could all be incredibly surprised! It's not as though the current parties have done a particularly sterling job.

It's way too late for the vocal minority to complain about it now, so how about we just wait and see what happens next.

I love all the knee-jerk responses.

Now they're in, how about seeing how they go about their jobs before casting the first stone.

We could all be incredibly surprised! It's not as though the current parties have done a particularly sterling job.

It's way too late for the vocal minority to complain about it now, so how about we just wait and see what happens next.

perfectly said -its only the Guardian reading leftie minoroity that are complaining anyway

perfectly said -its only the Guardian reading leftie minoroity that are complaining anyway

with all due respect benny :D

no it taint

and who you calling a guardian reader :shocked:

:hihi:

We could all be incredibly surprised! It's not as though the current parties have done a particularly sterling job

what's the bnp's policy on the financial crisis karis?


It's way too late for the vocal minority to complain about it now, so how about we just wait and see what happens next

as part of the vocal minority - i am going to complain EVEN LOUDER :hihi:

i know what this man stands for....and i don't like it

if you preach division and hate - prepare for a r8 feyt

Just because they have been voted in it doesn't mean that protests have to stop!

People have been protesting against the BNP for years, why should this have to stop?

They are a racist organisation whose sole aim is to split up communities and only recognise the indigenous British population. It doesn't matter how nice their suits are or how much fancy PR they talk, they are still racists.

what's the bnp's policy on the financial crisis karis?


I can't imagine anyone could do worse than the current Government at getting us in or out of this disastrous financial climate.

But I'm not getting into that. I'm merely saying: let's see what they do next. They could be fantastic in which case the vocal minority will be complain but everyone else will be happy.

It's exactly (lol) like Catherine Tate in Doctor Who. Everyone was saying she'd be terrible and that it was the worst decision ever, while I was the only one saying: let's just see, she could be amazing...

I'm not political enough to make an informed judgement on the BNP. I've tried to follow it but there's just too many voices telling too many stories - so I'm going to see what they do next. And watch closely.

There's obviously a reason the BNP got voted in: people in Yorkshire are clearly unhappy with something...

I can't imagine anyone could do worse than the current Government at getting us in or out of this disastrous financial climate

with all due respect karis, this to me means that you have little grasp of the global nature of the crisis


But I'm not getting into that. I'm merely saying: let's see what they do next. They could be fantastic in which case the vocal minority will be complain but everyone else will be happy

fantastic at WHAT though Karis?

they have no financial know-how

no workable policies

what is it you think they can do for you?


It's exactly (lol) like Catherine Tate in Doctor Who. Everyone was saying she'd be terrible and that it was the worst decision ever, while I was the only one saying: let's just see, she could be amazing

its nothing like that at all!

catherine tate was always a great actress

it was just the die-hard whoooeys who were up in arms


I'm not political enough to make an informed judgement on the BNP...

really :)

what a surprise :rolleyes:

read up about them karis

you know how to use google right?


There's obviously a reason the BNP got voted in: people in Yorkshire are clearly unhappy with something...

people are unhappy about a situation that is affecting the WHOLE WORLD

like i said to pattie....

don't throw the baby out with the bath water

stop and take stock

and realise that gordon brown has the most financial experience out of all of them

he's the man that i choose to back

You know, when one openly admits not being political enough to really make an informed decision, there's absolutely NO need for sarcasm or belittling.

I'm just trying to make sense of it all. Without overreacting or being overly judgemental. Which would appear to be at opposites to your reaction to all of this.

Just because you may know or understand things with more (apparent) clarity doesn't mean you're right. I've watched loads of movies with Nick Griffin and he seems smart, intelligent and a lot of what he says makes lots of sense - contrary to the demon everyone is making him out to be.

Although, I have no idea why he would want to oppose Turkey's entrance into the EU...

So, sarcasm and belittling aside, you can forgive my skepticism and being open enough to say: I don't really know what's going on and why everyone's so up in arms about the (new) BNP. I don't agree with all of their policies, but everyone has to start somewhere.

You know, when one openly admits not being political enough to really make an informed decision, there's absolutely NO need for sarcasm or belittling

yes there is karis

comment when you have done some research about this first

you have made yourself look like a fool


I'm just trying to make sense of it all

from your armchair?


Without overreacting or being overly judgemental. Which would appear to be at opposites to your reaction to all of this

perhaps you should find out WHY people feel so strongly about this before making totally naive statements


Just because you may know or understand things with more (apparent) clarity doesn't mean you're right. I've watched loads of movies with Nick Griffin and he seems smart, intelligent and a lot of what he says makes lots of sense - contrary to the demon everyone is making him out to be

such as?


I have no idea why he would want to oppose Turkey's entrance into the EU.

because he is a racist perhaps?


So, sarcasm and belittling aside, you can forgive my skepticism and being open enough to say: I don't really know what's going on and why everyone's so up in arms about the (new) BNP.

no i cannot karis

go and educate yourself before commenting on this subject

LOL. Of the two of us you've just shown yourself to be judgmental, condescending and overly prejudiced - some of the qualities it would seem you're opposing in the BNP. Curious.

I'm just trying to understand a subject and am open minded to ask questions.

While YOU come across as aggressive, confrontational and unlikeable. Certainly not an opinion worthy of my attention.

Very very sad...

Enjoy your 'vocal' rants about the BNP...

Karis - as has been said before the BNP are very good at PR but do a little more research and you will discover they are fundamentally a racist organisation.

How can they represent constituants at the European Parliament when they don't recognise a number of those constituants as British under their policies. That is descriminationary and non democratic.

Nick Griffin is ex NF and has been convicted of racist crimes as had many high level members of the party.

Enjoy your 'vocal' rants about the BNP...

i will :D..........

LOL - deep breaths, there!

Stay calm. All this Dawson's Creek angst isn't good for your blood pressure!

LOL. Of the two of us you've just shown yourself to be judgmental, condescending and overly prejudiced - some of the qualities it would seem you're opposing in the BNP. Curious.

I'm just trying to understand a subject and am open minded to ask questions.

While YOU come across as aggressive, confrontational and unlikeable. Certainly not an opinion worthy of my attention.

Very very sad...

Enjoy your 'vocal' rants about the BNP...


Here here!

oh, i think the thing about turkey becoming part of the EU is down the fact that they will be the "new" poles in the uk. they will be here in the thousands looking for work!

they will be the "new" poles in the uk. they will be here in the thousands looking for work!

and as professional, considerate and hard-working also?

no wonder they're worried :hihi:

any transport from sheff to leeds this saturday? if so were and time?

cheers

Thought we lived in a democracy where everybodys entitled to their own views right or wrong!! To me the people who are protesting are anti democratic lefties with nothing better to do havent they got jobs to go to...:rant:

Thought we lived in a democracy where everybodys entitled to their own views right or wrong!! To me the people who are protesting are anti democratic lefties with nothing better to do havent they got jobs to go to...:rant:

The whole point of living in a democracy is that we DO have the right to protest!!

Thought we lived in a democracy where everybodys entitled to their own views right or wrong!! To me the people who are protesting are anti democratic lefties with nothing better to do havent they got jobs to go to...:rant:

Did you read your post before you posted it?

No, don't answer that....

In the 1st sentence you say we live in a democracy and are entitled to our own views and then you tell us we are wrong to protest, thats priceless!

PS I have got a job thanks, how do you think I have so much time to post on here? :)

all you lot crying coz the bnp gettin popular, well ask yourselves why ? Im sick of racism only working one way its always the white man thats out of order. If you want to back all these foreigners then go and live with them in their countries and live under their laws, you will soon be back! Labour and the tories are only interested in foreigners its time we started looking after our own people and country!!!

They got votes cus people voted for them weather we like it or not your protesting about democratic votes u fools:rant:

all you lot crying coz the bnp gettin popular, well ask yourselves why ? Im sick of racism only working one way its always the white man thats out of order. If you want to back all these foreigners then go and live with them in their countries and live under their laws, you will soon be back! Labour and the tories are only interested in foreigners its time we started looking after our own people and country!!!

I have a better idea to make you happy:-

You might be better sodding off, yourself, to a country where there are no immigrants at all.

(and no-one to challenge your ill-conceived and poorly thought out ideas)

I have a better idea to make you happy:-

You might be better sodding off, yourself, to a country where there are no immigrants at all.

(and no-one to challenge your ill-conceived and poorly thought out ideas)

i will go east then coz most of them are over here complaining about the quality of their lives, wonder why they come???? let me see could it be for the handouts, benefits and coz the goverment is scared to say no to ya all! or coz they wouldn't get away with things in their own land. if you want to live over here then live by our laws and ways and make an effort to fit in instead of demanding your clothes and masks, food, mosques, laws etc etc etc!:P

I have a better idea to make you happy:-

You might be better sodding off, yourself, to a country where there are no immigrants at all.

(and no-one to challenge your ill-conceived and poorly thought out ideas)

16,404 posts. Another one with nothing to do in the day! why not try work!

i will go east then coz most of them are over here complaining about the quality of their lives, wonder why they come???? let me see could it be for the handouts, benefits and coz the goverment is scared to say no to ya all! or coz they wouldn't get away with things in their own land. if you want to live over here then live by our laws and ways and make an effort to fit in instead of demanding your clothes and masks, food, mosques, laws etc etc etc!:P

see ya! don't let the door hit you in the backside on the way out! :wave:

16,404 posts. Another one with nothing to do in the day! why not try work!

16406, actually, including this one. There are folk that have more, I could have posted a lot more, but I have to sleep, work and go to the shops occasionally.

see ya! don't let the door hit you in the backside on the way out! :wave:

oh dear have i hit a nerve!

oh dear have i hit a nerve!

Not at all, dearie. :nono: face? bovvered?

You were the one that said you were going...

As you set off, have a look in Duty-free - you might find a brain, ... if you haggle hard enough you could pick one up dirt cheap, and you'd be the proud owner of one-and-a-half :D

Not at all, dearie. :shake: face? bovvered?


you alreight here PT? :)

you alreight here PT? :)

I'm fine, solomon, I've not come to this battle of wits unarmed, unlike our friend, here.

I put "shake cause I thought it was the *no* emoticon... I've had to go with "nono" instead.

I'm fine, solomon, I've not come to this battle of wits unarmed, unlike our friend, here.

I put "shake cause I thought it was the *no* emoticon... I've had to go with "nono" instead.

:hihi:

alright me luv - have fun :D

Just watching latest bbc headline about protest against the bnp...if i'm to be honest i think that just bolstered their position somewhat, they were having a conference like any other party and in come the so called do gooders and actually commit acts of assault.

It's one thing to stand their chanting to try and derail proceedings and quite another to forcefully attack and move them. Seems the protesters cannot supply a solid enough argument to face the party in a democratic fashion.

People have a right to present their political views, voters have a right to vote for the best candidate for them, and protesters have a right to protest, none have the right to assault another based on their views which quite frankly makes them seem like hypocritical fools.

Theres nobody more racist than the three major parties and their newspapers..... ...makes me laugh when i see the lefties posting their silly comments on here....too dumb to see whats
going on right in front of their eyes and need to have their opinions formed for them by the press....:loopy:

The best weapon the far right have got is Gordon Brown & new labour the longer they stay in the stronger the BNP will get SIMPLE AS!!

The best weapon the far right have got is Gordon Brown & new labour the longer they stay in the stronger the BNP will get SIMPLE AS!!

interesting comment gfm

so which party has the antidote to bnp votes?

For the bnp to actually gain anything there has to be voters who have been swayed by their arguments...to argue if they are facist or not is pretty pointless, the bigger question is what is allowing them to rise up the ranks.

If i may let me pose a question. Back in post war britain during the 50,60's etc i believe there was a great patriotic heart to this country, no matter how bad things would get the power of the people attitude remained and was one of the defining aspect of our little island..our steadfast will.

That same voice is now looking like it's being censored, smothered time and again in the name of being accepted in a global economy. What do WE actually gain from being in this global economy?. Seems to me things are just becoming more and more expensive the harder people work.

I've stood back somewhat from this round of elections, to see how each party played their hand, and who could provide the better arguments, UKIP should be watched closely...stranger things have happened.

interesting comment gfm

so which party has the antidote to bnp votes?
lets talk facts instead of blinkerd opinions & the facts say that traditional labour areas are turning to the BNP lets face the truth only the tory party is goin to win the next election & when they address the British jobs for foreign workers policy of this current gvnmt the support i would think for the BNP would drop,its the job situation thats pushed people over the edge, i no a black guy who lost his job when labour fetched half of Eastern Europe over & he agrees withn a lot of what the BNP are saying yes thats right a BLACK GUY!

Agree with your outlook. I do however think it's no longer a 3 horse race, bnp will yet again trail in the upcoming election and ukip are going to be knocking on the major 3 parties doors.

If labour or the conservatives address even a handful of the populations current concerns they will probably leapfrog into the next 4 years with a country behind them, the problem is now the country is up in arms, looking for help and seeing no outcome either positive or negative, in short the country feels a bit lost and scared.

At the end of the day the party who gain power are the party closest to the publics concerns, be that bnp,ukip,labour,conservatives,lib dems and so on.

It going to be a rough year and we all get to voice our concerns at the next election, just try not to let fear cloud your judgement, your british and to me your opinion is as valid as my own.

with all due respect karis, this to me means that you have little grasp of the global nature of the crisis



fantastic at WHAT though Karis?

they have no financial know-how

no workable policies

what is it you think they can do for you?



its nothing like that at all!

catherine tate was always a great actress

it was just the die-hard whoooeys who were up in arms



really :)

what a surprise :rolleyes:

read up about them karis

you know how to use google right?



people are unhappy about a situation that is affecting the WHOLE WORLD

like i said to pattie....

don't throw the baby out with the bath water

stop and take stock

and realise that gordon brown has the most financial experience out of all of them

he's the man that i choose to backGood reason not to take anything you say seriously then!

Just watching latest bbc headline about protest against the bnp...if i'm to be honest i think that just bolstered their position somewhat, they were having a conference like any other party and in come the so called do gooders and actually commit acts of assault.

It's one thing to stand their chanting to try and derail proceedings and quite another to forcefully attack and move them. Seems the protesters cannot supply a solid enough argument to face the party in a democratic fashion.

People have a right to present their political views, voters have a right to vote for the best candidate for them, and protesters have a right to protest, none have the right to assault another based on their views which quite frankly makes them seem like hypocritical fools.Where were the chucky egg idiots when Abu Hamza was Mr.Unpopular!..................................bet they dare not throw eggs at him in case they went home minus their heads! Griffin and Co. are nothing compared to some of the Bombers and Hate Rascists we have imported into this country in recent years! Get a life some of you!

lets talk facts instead of blinkerd opinions & the facts say that traditional labour areas are turning to the BNP lets face the truth only the tory party is goin to win the next election & when they address the British jobs for foreign workers policy of this current gvnmt the support i would think for the BNP would drop,its the job situation thats pushed people over the edge, i no a black guy who lost his job when labour fetched half of Eastern Europe over & he agrees withn a lot of what the BNP are saying yes thats right a BLACK GUY!

That says a lot doesnt it really.

i think that people have very one track views on here, people that post are from all walks, working, unemployed, disabled, gay, straight, black white blue and green. we all have very different views and oppinions which we are entitled to because they are just that, oppinions.

If protesting is what people wish to do then so be it as we have a right to air our views, however when these protests become violent you have to realise that pot and kettle come into it. i saw on the news on sunday clip of blokes Kicking the car of the BNP leader. what does this solve??!!

The BNP have gained votes because PARTS of what they stand for other parties have failed to pick up on, it's fine to say that people from poor backgrounds dont see the full picture, but how do you know that? cut away all the niceities, the political correctness and look at the facts.
People want a stop to workers coming in from the EU as there are people that through no fault of there own have been made redundant, those agency jobs that no one wanted, now are wanted.
people are all way to quick to jump down the throats of people on here because they are claiming jobseekers, but if there was agency work out there, they would take it.
who is responsible for all the workers coming to the uk and who should have seen the recession coming but did very little but pump our money into the financial institutions, Mr Brown and Mr Blair!

I do not support the BNP, nor ukip But i can see why some do.

Like it or not, they have their seats now and there is not a lot we can do about it.

Where were the chucky egg idiots when Abu Hamza was Mr.Unpopular!..................................bet they dare not throw eggs at him in case they went home minus their heads! Griffin and Co. are nothing compared to some of the Bombers and Hate Rascists we have imported into this country in recent years! Get a life some of you!



Exactly, and what do we do, we pay for their defence to get them off, should they actually ever be caught!
I know im gonna get stick for this, but their are certain religions that are frequently mentioned that are as bad as some of the BNP's beliefs, one faith, no to homosexuality etc.

one is as bad as the other and we are never going to agree!

You do realise that if you protest about BNP gaining an MEP you are in effect protesting that the democratic process works? Protesting against this means that you want to ban certain political thoughts which seems a little facist to me...

?? .

What an utter waste of time, talk about locking the stable door once the horse has bolted!!

Where were the chucky egg idiots when Abu Hamza was Mr.Unpopular!..................................bet they dare not throw eggs at him in case they went home minus their heads! Griffin and Co. are nothing compared to some of the Bombers and Hate Rascists we have imported into this country in recent years! Get a life some of you!

well said and how true

missed the one in leeds because of work...anyone know when the next local one is?

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/Euro-seat-for-BNP.5343165.jp

that is the whole point in a democracy isnt it?? that people can decide who they vote for ? and enough people in our region decided they wanted to give the bnp a voice so it is of no concern to you!!!!

will the same people be attending these rallies that attend every other protest march?
ie: tree huggers and social workers and the politically correct brigade.
grow up!!!! the people have decided

Correct :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Any reason why the great unwashed didn't vote ? (ie the people who attend these events)

These demos, the thing thats on everyones lips and is the most important thing - is there a beer tent, cos if so and the weathers nice I may come along to enjoy the party

that is the whole point in a democracy isnt it?? that people can decide who they vote for ? and enough people in our region decided they wanted to give the bnp a voice so it is of no concern to you!!!!

... the people have decided

Well actually most of them decided not to vote. Hopefully the apathetic majority now realise that not voting does have consequences and these nazis will not gain any more ground.

I'll attend any rally against fascism. It's what any decent person would do.