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You say all levels and abilities?
Do you also cater for advanced levels and grades?
What style of "kickboxing" is it?

is it accurate to describe this as self defence?

I know a place in Hillsborough - Paul Power's Personal Trainers who are excellent too. Has lots of forms of self defence and disciplines. Highly recommended.

Two buzz words at the moment:

"self defense"
"kickboxing"

These days everyone calls what they do self defense.
Even taebo and kickaerobics are calling what they do self defense.

Then you find those strange martial arts styles teachign really ineffective self defense moves that wouldnt work on a 12 year old let alone a 15 stone drunkard on speed!

Paul Powers from Self Defence UK right? Ive heard he teaches a very interesting system. Jujitsu&Boxing based i believe.

Kickboxing is another matter, these days every martial arts club and their dog are calling what they do "kickboxing" when you see what theyre actually doing or are capable of doing, then you can see wether or not they deserve to use the name of the hard hitting full contact fighting art that uses the name kickboxing.

The kickboxing club i train at and would recommend to anyone is:
www.sheffieldkickboxing.com

A lot of good fighters who are active on the full contact circuit(proper kickboxing!) train there and its also begginer friendly.

Kelly Owls, i hear on the grapevine that paul powers occasionally produces the odd fighter or two.
To know the master, look at the student.

Originally posted by Cyclone
is it accurate to describe this as self defence?

My impression of kickboxing is that it is fairly brutal, you will take some knocks in training and learn how to return blows.

For that reason I reckon it would be fine as 'self defense' if not as pretty/stylinsh as some styles.

Originally posted by Freddylee
Two buzz words at the moment:

"self defense"
"kickboxing"

These days everyone calls what they do self defense.
Even taebo and kickaerobics are calling what they do self defense.

Then you find those strange martial arts styles teachign really ineffective self defense moves that wouldnt work on a 12 year old let alone a 15 stone drunkard on speed!

Paul Powers from Self Defence UK right? Ive heard he teaches a very interesting system. Jujitsu&Boxing based i believe.

Kickboxing is another matter, these days every martial arts club and their dog are calling what they do "kickboxing" when you see what theyre actually doing or are capable of doing, then you can see wether or not they deserve to use the name of the hard hitting full contact fighting art that uses the name kickboxing.

The kickboxing club i train at and would recommend to anyone is:
www.sheffieldkickboxing.com

A lot of good fighters who are active on the full contact circuit(proper kickboxing!) train there and its also begginer friendly.

Kelly Owls, i hear on the grapevine that paul powers occasionally produces the odd fighter or two.
To know the master, look at the student. Paul is excellent. He manages these two lads who are being entered for Cage Fighting at the end of July. He's proper tough but has a heart of gold. I really do recommend him.

Originally posted by Freddylee
Two buzz words at the moment:

"self defense"
"kickboxing"

These days everyone calls what they do self defense.
Even taebo and kickaerobics are calling what they do self defense.

Then you find those strange martial arts styles teachign really ineffective self defense moves that wouldnt work on a 12 year old let alone a 15 stone drunkard on speed!

Paul Powers from Self Defence UK right? Ive heard he teaches a very interesting system. Jujitsu&Boxing based i believe.

Kickboxing is another matter, these days every martial arts club and their dog are calling what they do "kickboxing" when you see what theyre actually doing or are capable of doing, then you can see wether or not they deserve to use the name of the hard hitting full contact fighting art that uses the name kickboxing.

The kickboxing club i train at and would recommend to anyone is:
www.sheffieldkickboxing.com

A lot of good fighters who are active on the full contact circuit(proper kickboxing!) train there and its also begginer friendly.

Kelly Owls, i hear on the grapevine that paul powers occasionally produces the odd fighter or two.
To know the master, look at the student.

is there an echo in here??

Originally posted by dafoot
My impression of kickboxing is that it is fairly brutal, you will take some knocks in training and learn how to return blows.

For that reason I reckon it would be fine as 'self defense' if not as pretty/stylinsh as some styles.

but how well does that tie in with

Suitable for all members of the family; from 4 years to 104 years. Beginners welcome

will 4 year olds be learning to take it with the octogenarians, if so then call it self defence.
If it's non contact though as is more likely if it's suitable for the entire family, is it more likely to land someone in a situation they can't handle, because they thought they could defend themselves.

You hit the nail on the head cyclone.
Kickboxing is a contact game.
A dojo that teaches what soudns liek a karate/tkd / no contact martial art style:
1. just isnt kickboxing (just using the buzzword)
2. Is unlikely to be "self defense" :P

Gemma is one of my dan grades who has opened an academy and teaches sport kickboxing, notice the word sport, you could check out the WKA (World Kickboxing Association) web site and look at the semi contact section this should clarify your questions, not every one wants to kick each other to pulp. If you do then you can visit one of my other dan grades at Abbydale Kickboxing Academy and train with craig, he has 10 years Tai Boxing experience and now trains at the wicca camp.

As for the self defence you can come and train with me, Gemma and craig at my Krav Maga Academy at the Source or better still enrol on my Kapap Israeli Special Forces 4 hour seminar on the 31 st of July and you will experience the type of self defence that Gemma and all my Black belts teach.

Keith Sanderson
Israeli Govenment Defensive Tactics Instructor
4th Dan WKA
3rd Dan Shukokai Karate

WKA semi contact = semi contact is stop and start i.e. NOT kickboxing.

Where is abbeydale kickboxing academy

Craig, what is his second name, what is his actual ring experience and fight record.
What is your fight record in actual ring sport kickboxing and i mean full contact fights.

The WKA semi contact division is World Karate Association.
Run by Peter Lewis and not Paul Ingram and Paul Sutton(the amateur division)
who run the proper full contact side of it

Originally posted by coolkitty
Gemma is one of my dan grades who has opened an academy and teaches sport kickboxing, notice the word sport, you could check out the WKA (World Kickboxing Association) web site and look at the semi contact section this should clarify your questions, not every one wants to kick each other to pulp. If you do then you can visit one of my other dan grades at Abbydale Kickboxing Academy and train with craig, he has 10 years Tai Boxing experience and now trains at the wicca camp.

As for the self defence you can come and train with me, Gemma and craig at my Krav Maga Academy at the Source or better still enrol on my Kapap Israeli Special Forces 4 hour seminar on the 31 st of July and you will experience the type of self defence that Gemma and all my Black belts teach.

Keith Sanderson
Israeli Govenment Defensive Tactics Instructor
4th Dan WKA
3rd Dan Shukokai Karate

if the kickboxing being taught isn't self defence, as your post implies, then it didn't ought to be advertised as such.

LOL
It shouldnt even be reffered to as kickboxing is all they do is backfist to the side of the head then leg it to claim a point.
:P

not that im against semi contact freestyle karate.
Just dont like kickboxing to be labelled as the same thing

4 to 104?

Seems harsh excluding the 105 year olds out there :D

I believe in calling a spade a spade, not callign a teaspoon a spade :P
LOL

I couldn’t agree more freddylee im the same when people go around say they teach kung fu and then you find out that they have only been doing it for 2 or 3 years call themselves a master or that they got what they know out of a book or tape, then fool there students that they know the real deal or that what they are doing is not kung fu/ kickboxing or any other art but sum mishmash of things they have put together. Problem is what can you do about it????

But getting to the self-defence I think Kickboxing has some valid points for SD considering what some people are putting across. Take the distancing, timing, power, reaction time, for example.

That is very true dave mantis.
Kung fu is an area that is very complex theres so mant intrications that it cant be just taught by anybody.
I think its harder to elarn than say karate/taekwondo.
Just my opinion thats all
If someone asks me my opinions on kung fu i dont even give a reply as im not qualified for an opinion of kung fu.

I say "dont ask me , try it and see " even though its not my thign really.

Now kickboxing does rely on distancing, speed and power which makes it an eeffective stand up fighting system.

Mind you a lot of these "freestyle sport karate" systems which use the kickboxing name, dont use kickboxing stance and footwork and dont generate the same amount of power as their kicking (and often their punching) is totoally different.

any semi or no contact sparring is going to teach you exactly the wrong things about generating power and timing for your attacks.

It teaches you how not to hurt your opponent, but how to tap them in order to score a point. Which isn't going to work for self defence as there's no referee.

That is true cyclone there is no ref on the street
BUT all this touhcing someone to gain a point and then stopping is absolutely NOTHING to do with kickboxing.

You dont have stop and start boxing so why do these people think that they can call "stop and start" kickboxing?

In my view they are sellign the public short and fooling the people they are teaching that they are doing kickboxing when really its a modernised & diluted karate system that they are doign instead.

All i say is if people want to do freestyle karate they shouldnt call it kickboxing
They should be proud of what ever they choose to do iwthout having to lie.

Theres also the point that if you train to NOT hit people thats what you become good at. Alot of semi contact people run into big problems when they hit something solid - up to the point of bouncing off and falling over as they are just not used to physical contact!

A lot of people trained in Semi contact disciplien do this a lot,
they strike and hit then turn their face away as if they have "scored"
Its a reflex action for them. If they do that in a self defense situation, they will get hurt.
In my opinion they will be worse off doing such a martial art.
In fact they will be better off not doing anything at all!

But you have hit the nail on the ehad again my freind.

Originally posted by Freddylee
A lot of people trained in Semi contact disciplien do this a lot,
they strike and hit then turn their face away as if they have "scored"
Its a reflex action for them. If they do that in a self defense situation, they will get hurt.
In my opinion they will be worse off doing such a martial art.
In fact they will be better off not doing anything at all!

But you have hit the nail on the ehad again my freind.

I've thought about that before, the "better off not doing anything".

I wonder at what level my own students become better off for having done something.
The problem being of balancing expectation with ability. If I tell them that after 2 sessions they can defend themselves (I don't, it's just an example) then they will feel more confident and that may lead them into a situation where they find out that actually 2 sessions didn't teach them all that much and they are now getting their head kicked in.
I do wonder at what point the increased confidence is actually mirrored with increased ability to defend themselves...

PS - I passed my shodan grading on Saturday.
A rough estimate of my number of hours training to reach that is 1600.

Congrats on the shodan Cyclone :thumbsup:

I know from people higher up in my lot how much dedication it takes to get there!

Can you just turn up or do you have to book?

Hey Kelly Owls!

Ive heard that Scott Sykes from Paul Powers' Crew is Fighting Amjad Shaffique.

Who is your money on?
Amjad has already had 2 fights (1 win, 1 loss) while Scott Sykes is a novice.
I predict that Amjad wins by decision or late stoppage (3rd round id say)

If youd like to place a friendly bet let me know
LOL!

Kelly Owls :

You still havent answered my request for a friendly bet :P
Do you think Scott Sykes can beat Amjed?

well freddy, what can i say......................how wrong you are!

i train with paul and he knows what he is doing

scott had an unanimous points decision, and alex mckenzie ( pauls other instructor) knocked out his opponent in the first round and alex's opponent had a spurious weigh in ............. that is his opponent weighed more than the 83 kg allowed.


cheers nailbag

Actually nailbag you are right

it seems that paul does know what he is doing.
I did actually think that scott sykes vs amjed shaffique was a mismatch in the sense that :
Scott was having his first fight (so id been told, unless the matchmakers ahd been economical with the truth like mnay are)
and that Amjeds record was 1 win 1 loss.

Scott out kicked amjed, Amjeds camp seem predominantly boxing orientated and in a kickboxing bout that is simply not very clever just to rely on your hands esepcially when low kicks and knees are allowed.

Just one question: Has scott trained at the wicker camp before?
His fighting style looked very "thaiboxing esque"