Hi, many club coaches have been unable to carry on with there clubs due to past convictions, i have traveled up and down the country hearing that coaches are not allowed to run or work with children and that there convictions have nothing to do with kids.

If you do have convictions for driving offences/assault etc, and that there is nothing to suggest you are a danger to kids, why should governing body's and clubs refuse to let coaches carry on.

Your thoughts.

Hi, many club coaches have been unable to carry on with there clubs due to past convictions, i have traveled up and down the country hearing that coaches are not allowed to run or work with children and that there convictions have nothing to do with kids.

If you do have convictions for driving offences/assault etc, and that there is nothing to suggest you are a danger to kids, why should governing body's and clubs refuse to let coaches carry on.

Your thoughts.

Then you get the opposite in martial arts. One martial arts instructor i know of, got involved with a teenage girl (then got beat up by the girls' father :hihi:) went abroad and changed his name and is back teaching under his new name :help:

I would not want someone with the lack of control to have a drink drive or assault conviction coaching my kids. They would hardly be much of a role model. Plus who would decide what offences it would be ok to have as a coach, drug dealing,robbery,mugging GBH...... would they be acceptable to parents ??? A full CRB is the ONLY way.

I would not want someone with the lack of control to have a drink drive or assault conviction coaching my kids. They would hardly be much of a role model. Plus who would decide what offences it would be ok to have as a coach, drug dealing,robbery,mugging GBH...... would they be acceptable to parents ??? A full CRB is the ONLY way.




To be fair though, take for example "GBH", this offence could have occurred when the bloke was 16yrs old and a bit wild/full of testostorone

Fast forward 25 years, the same bloke could be an absolute boring middle aged fart, who works as a maths teacher. He may actually even be proud that he was once, a little bad.

Are we going to say someone is banned from being a coach "forever" for something they may have done as a teenager?

I would not want someone with the lack of control to have a drink drive or assault conviction coaching my kids. They would hardly be much of a role model. Plus who would decide what offences it would be ok to have as a coach, drug dealing,robbery,mugging GBH...... would they be acceptable to parents ??? A full CRB is the ONLY way.

Exactly you keep hearing about martial arts instructors being involved with gangs, threatening behaviour ,...etc
I wouldnt let people like that coach my kids either.
My door staff have had to throw a local kickboxing instructor (and promoter) out of my show for violent behaviour. His own instructor was by the side of him and just said " oh i dont like all this it gives the club a bad name". When I spoke to his instructor about it he made all kinds of excuses "oh hes young , he has to work with important clients all day.... blah blah blah!"

(next thing ill probably get threatening calls from that gang again!)

To be fair though, take for example "GBH", this offence could have occurred when the bloke was 16yrs old and a bit wild/full of testostorone

Fast forward 25 years, the same bloke could be an absolute boring middle aged fart, who works as a maths teacher. He may actually even be proud that he was once, a little bad.

Are we going to say someone is banned from being a coach "forever" for something they may have done as a teenager?

OI! Less of the boring fart, I work as a maths teacher! :hihi:

To be fair though, take for example "GBH", this offence could have occurred when the bloke was 16yrs old and a bit wild/full of testostorone

Fast forward 25 years, the same bloke could be an absolute boring middle aged fart, who works as a maths teacher. He may actually even be proud that he was once, a little bad.

Are we going to say someone is banned from being a coach "forever" for something they may have done as a teenager?

Yes I am afraid we are, how would it be checked, there is no test that can determine "he used to be a thug but he`s OK now".
Who would determine what is OK. With child protection you have to deal in black and white as much as possible. Using paedophile priests as an example, no system is 100% effective. So those already with a black mark HAVE to be excluded.
He certainly shouldn`t be working as a teacher with a record for GBH.

Sorry, forgot to add. In my field Martial arts,cowboy instructors give the rest of us a bad name. The CRB has to become part of the industry standard.
It is not only Coaches/instructors excluded buy criminal convictions, I can think of hundreds of professions, Dr`s,nurses,para-medics,teachers,play leaders etc. Why bend the rule for some.
Using the original posters example of a driving conviction, would you want someone with a drink driving conviction or driving at 95 in a 30 zone driving your kids to a tournament or competition ????

Interesting thoughts here, keep it up.

i can see the point from both views, i really wouldnt be that keen on the idea my kids being taught by a "shady" instructor.

BUT

what about the ex gang members who become involved in keeping kids OUT of gangs, because they know where it can lead.

i think someone should declare such convictions but not be banned forever, then its up to the parent to decide.

now that said i think the above should only apply to minor stuff, not the big things like drug dealing or serious driving stuff.

i can see the point from both views, i really wouldnt be that keen on the idea my kids being taught by a "shady" instructor.

BUT

what about the ex gang members who become involved in keeping kids OUT of gangs, because they know where it can lead.

i think someone should declare such convictions but not be banned forever, then its up to the parent to decide.

now that said i think the above should only apply to minor stuff, not the big things like drug dealing or serious driving stuff.

Again a very valid point, but I would presume if such programms are in the community I would hope there would be serious levels of scrutiny.

oh yes i agree

running a club is hardly

running a club is hardly

Thank you for your opinion:huh:

Sorry, forgot to add. In my field Martial arts,cowboy instructors give the rest of us a bad name. The CRB has to become part of the industry standard.
It is not only Coaches/instructors excluded buy criminal convictions, I can think of hundreds of professions, Dr`s,nurses,para-medics,teachers,play leaders etc. Why bend the rule for some.
Using the original posters example of a driving conviction, would you want someone with a drink driving conviction or driving at 95 in a 30 zone driving your kids to a tournament or competition ????

I agree.
How do you feel about clubs that have instructors that are still stalking their EX-girlfriends or who get chucked out of tournaments for violent behaviour?