I am trying to trace information about two manufacturers of cutlery in Sheffield. The first is a company that stamped each Stainless steel item with H M & Co and the year - I have pieces dated from 1966 to 1981. The other marked a spoon I have with Sipelia Stainless Steel Sheffield England. there is also another query but it may not relate to Sheffield - the front of the Sipelia spoon is stamped Edwin Jones & Co Ltd along the handle and Coronet across it. Can anyone out there help with any of these?
Christopher

Originally posted by Cwgarrard
I am trying to trace information about two manufacturers of cutlery in Sheffield. The first is a company that stamped each Stainless steel item with H M & Co and the year - I have pieces dated from 1966 to 1981. The other marked a spoon I have with Sipelia Stainless Steel Sheffield England. there is also another query but it may not relate to Sheffield - the front of the Sipelia spoon is stamped Edwin Jones & Co Ltd along the handle and Coronet across it. Can anyone out there help with any of these?
Christopher

H M & Co, would be Harris Miller and Co, I am not sure what happened to them though.

Harris Miller closed down years ago. not many cutlery firms left now

Thank you both for the info - do either of you know anything about the company? For example I wonder if they supplied institutions such as NHS, Army etc. Prisons, as although I think it is wonderful cutlery it does seem very formulaic.
Christopher

Most cutlery companies had orders from the Government at one time or another, so it's a fair bet that Harris Miller did work for them.

Hi,

Some Harris Miller & Co of Sheffield cutlery on offer on the 'e-Bay Australia' site - only 10 hrs 3 mins to go!

http://collectables.listings.ebay.com.au/Home-Kitchen_Cutlery_W0QQsacatZ11660QQsocmdZListingItem List

G

Millers probably did supply to the Government. George Butler Cutlery Manufactuers supplied the Queen and 10 Downing Street at one time. Also had stock selling in Harrods.

I work for a cutlery manufacturer who are still going stong (thank goodness!) Harrison Fisher & co. Ltd. (a.k.a Taylors Eye Witness). :bigsmile:

Originally posted by owdlad
Most cutlery companies had orders from the Government at one time or another, so it's a fair bet that Harris Miller did work for them.
Harris millers was on Eyre St part of the offices are still there but the rest of the firm burnt down just after it closed for good (a very suspicious fire to us in the trade) Its site is at the corner of Matilda St and Eyre st its now a car park.

Any cutlery that was made for the government, no matter who made it had to mark it with an ARROW hence the arrow marks on the old prison tunics you could put on your company name too.
The name on the spoon mentioned was probably a large firm and they had a set made for the board room with their logo put on it.

Originally posted by sezemeseeds
Millers probably did supply to the Government. George Butler Cutlery Manufactuers supplied the Queen and 10 Downing Street at one time. Also had stock selling in Harrods. Well hello sezemeseeds, I dont know if you remember me but I worked at Butlers and we also supplied all the Namibian Embassy`s through out the world, the singer Lulu also bought our products. A canteen was bought by the Boy Scouts Association to present to the Great footballer Stanley Mathews.
The Hudson Bay Company in Canada bought 12 inch butchers knives to sell to the Eskimos ( or should it be Inuits now) to use for cutting snow for igloos.
I remember some stroppy girl that worked in the final inspection at Butlers but her name escapes me now.

I gave a copy of the son of George Butlers indenture dated 1680 if anyone wants to see it I gave it to the social history section at the City Library.

I have a teaspoon with H M & Co England Britsh Airways. So they must have made the cutlery for the airline.

I am trying to trace information about two manufacturers of cutlery in Sheffield. The first is a company that stamped each Stainless steel item with H M & Co and the year - I have pieces dated from 1966 to 1981. The other marked a spoon I have with Sipelia Stainless Steel Sheffield England. there is also another query but it may not relate to Sheffield - the front of the Sipelia spoon is stamped Edwin Jones & Co Ltd along the handle and Coronet across it. Can anyone out there help with any of these?
Christopher

I have a teaspoon with H M & Co England Britsh Airways on the handle. So they must have made cutlery for the airline.

Sipelia was a trade name for Sipels on Blast Lane, the firm ran along side the Canal and the Canal is full of pieces of Cutlery that was thrown out through the windows. I dont know if the building is still there as I have not been down that way for over forty years.

Sipple's bought a lot of the small cutlery companies in Sheffield in the early 60's, no doubt they got the work contracts from these companies too, I worked for Harrison's, which was somewhere off Stanley St in the Wicker, before being taken over by Sipple's.
All machinery was taken to the Blast Lane site & set up there, I found Sipple's to be more like a workhouse, they employed many of the immigrants that came to Sheffield at that time and treat them like slaves, the quality of their stuff was not as good as it use to be when the small companies were doing the jobs, as they cut corners, so I'm not suprised that the Sheffield cutlery isn't what it used to be.

Try contacting the Archavist at the Cutlers Hall on Church Street. She will have all the info you want.

Sipple's bought a lot of the small cutlery companies in Sheffield in the early 60's, no doubt they got the work contracts from these companies too, I worked for Harrison's, which was somewhere off Stanley St in the Wicker, before being taken over by Sipple's.
All machinery was taken to the Blast Lane site & set up there, I found Sipple's to be more like a workhouse, they employed many of the immigrants that came to Sheffield at that time and treat them like slaves, the quality of their stuff was not as good as it use to be when the small companies were doing the jobs, as they cut corners, so I'm not suprised that the Sheffield cutlery isn't what it used to be.
Sipels worked a piece work system so it was up to the individual to either skive or work and earn a decent wage, I knew these so called immigrants and they ended up as very good Cutlery workers and I even worked with them and THEY were ALL treated like the true Sheffield Cutlery workers. There is still a quality market of Sheffield Cutlery, British Silverware is just one company that makes excellent Cutlery and Holloware another firm makes all their Silverware by hand no presses or polishing machines. I work for a Cutlery firm based in Hathersage and the products are bought as an investment by customers but I am not very proud of some of the products that are made here.

[QUOTE=lazarus;3417762]Sipels worked a piece work system so it was up to the individual to either skive or work and earn a decent wage.

I agree with you there laz, but the others on an hourly rate got a raw deal, there were only about 8 West Indian blokes that were on Piece work when I was there, one called Po Po, they were fun to work with and great blokes and workers, but the others including us on the multiple polishers were exploited & underpaid, that was in 1960, I worked with Albert H, he was in charge of us & used to make up the dollies for the multiple polishers.

I knew Tony Dylla who ran the filling shop a very good friend and he was Polish, his brother in law Graham Lee, Frank Beciz another Pole and a Jamaican called George Waite, I knew off these men long before I met them, I ended up working with them at George Butlers. I cant say what year or years they worked at Sipels but they all did work there.

There were 2 blokes that worked on the old multiple polishers when we first arrived with our you bute American machines, one was Polish, the other bloke [English] I think they were related by marriage, can't remember names though now.
We were in the buildings on the left as you came over the canal, half of those buildings were nearly empty when we arrived there, but were full of machinery from other companies within a year so I heard.

Hi there Skippy the Polish chap was probably Tony Dylla, a lovely bloke. He was taken by the Germans when he was fourteen to work on a German farm he escaped to England and joined the Polish free Army and later parachuted into Arnhem.

There was a big Polish bloke that was in charge of moving all the machines from the various companies they bought around 1960, we nicknamed him the crane because he could lift the machines almost by himself, can't remember his name either unfortunately.

There was a big Polish bloke that was in charge of moving all the machines from the various companies they bought around 1960, we nicknamed him the crane because he could lift the machines almost by himself, can't remember his name either unfortunately.

I can remember a Polish bloke called Big John cant remember his surname though, Ii know he lived on the manor but I didnt meet him till the late sixties early seventies and my first thought was, "he isnt that big" because Im six foot two and he didnt look taller or bigger than me - but - he was a good bloke,in fact all the poles I have met have been o.k.

Sorry to hijack this thread but i wondered if i could find out some info about some of my family, who were apparently cutlery manufacturers. This was in the 1830s to late 1800s and the family were called Wild.
Thanks

Sorry to hijack this thread but i wondered if i could find out some info about some of my family, who were apparently cutlery manufacturers. This was in the 1830s to late 1800s and the family were called Wild.
Thanks

There was Hiram Wild cutlery manufacturers founded in 1864.
Their name still exists and they have a website. But I think they may now
be part of United Cutlers? Hope this is of some help.

Thanks Bazjea will look into that although i think it may be a little too late.

Harris Millers made cutlery for a lot of organisations, BA, BOAC, various govt agencies amongst the places I delivered to for them and most of the other cutlery companies in Sheffield in the late 80s, Also used to live next door to one of the "buffer girls" from Millers.

Millers probably did supply to the Government. George Butler Cutlery Manufactuers supplied the Queen and 10 Downing Street at one time. Also had stock selling in Harrods.just been cleaning and restoringmy old fishing knife made by geo butler, l must have it nearly 70 years . Cheers Arthur.

Harris Millers made cutlery for a lot of organisations, BA, BOAC, various govt agencies.

Every NHS hospital had some! I think Hiram Wild later took over part of the contract and I guess now most if not all NHS stainless steel cutlery is imported.

Whatever happened to Harris Millers?

i actual worked at harris millers in the mid eighties and met my long term girlfriend here..it was a great place of work.at one time employing well over a hundred people.some fantastic characters.tomo,clopper,dino,mick,waity,martin,all the lasses from the warehouse..oh and keith..while i was there it was under the ownership of a certain,elderly jewish gentlemen who had a son called andrew..the pay really sucked..i think i was earning around 50 pounds a week(half of which mr hunter took).and then on top of that we got an hours pay for every 10 gross we polished.:(..the place was very scruffy looking..i actually worked within the clairshop..there was a long line of items that were polished..branston pickle spoons,british airways,david mellor,hospital items.i think it closed in and around 1990.there was a massive fire that destroyed a large part of the building complex...anybody remember mr hunter..from the warehouse?..

When I went to the Central Tech. in the side streets round about there were lots of individual cutlery and knife makers.Most of them had stable doors that allowed any passer by to watch.At lunch time there were all the buffer girls with brown paper wrapped around their legs, they had a colourful vocabulart too.

Is anyone know where I can still get H M & Co cutlery from? Maybe there are government property auction around?
Cheers,

I am trying to trace information about two manufacturers of cutlery in Sheffield. The first is a company that stamped each Stainless steel item with H M & Co and the year - I have pieces dated from 1966 to 1981. The other marked a spoon I have with Sipelia Stainless Steel Sheffield England. there is also another query but it may not relate to Sheffield - the front of the Sipelia spoon is stamped Edwin Jones & Co Ltd along the handle and Coronet across it. Can anyone out there help with any of these?
Christopher

My father used to work for Harris Millers, I used to go to school in the town area and some days used to go and see Dad, he worked on the stamp hammer, stamping out the blanks that the cutlery was made from. His workshop was open to the elements with a large doorway, during the summer it must have been hot with the fires but could have been draughty in the winter. I used to wave to any of his workmates and they would somehow get his attention, the noice of the hammers was so loud. No wonder Dad was hard of hearing. He was on piece work, which meant he was paid extra for any over a certain amount, one week he worked really hard and the main boss came and asked him how many he had done, Dad proudly told him, the reply deflated Dad so much I do not think his heart was in it ever again. The boss told him with a little more effort you could have done better. The factory, I believe, burned down, I saw it in the paper and went to phone my Dad, this would have been difficult as Dad had died 10 years before. I had a senior moment very early in my life. Glad you appreciate good cutlery, when anyone from Sheffield went on holiday when they sat down for a meal the first thing they did was look who had made it, and said which of their relatives worked there. This does not happen now.

I worked at HM & Co from 1971 to 1973. I started straight from school as Trainee Work Study Engineer and 10 months later I was running the department aged 16. Crazy. The company was owned and run by Armin Krausz and his son Neville. The Works Director was Andrew Frankle. At the time nearly all the production was for government contracts such as hospitals and prisons. A lot of the designs were from David Mellor(not the politician). HM & Co also imported stainless steel tea sets and sold them under the name Sheffield Silversmiths. I was presented with one of the tea services when I left which my Mum used on a daily basis until recentley. I also bought a canteen of 'Lustre Grain' cutlery which my Mum still has.

I worked at HM & Co from 1971 to 1973. I started straight from school as Trainee Work Study Engineer and 10 months later I was running the department aged 16. Crazy. The company was owned and run by Armin Krausz and his son Neville. The Works Director was Andrew Frankle. At the time nearly all the production was for government contracts such as hospitals and prisons. A lot of the designs were from David Mellor(not the politician). HM & Co also imported stainless steel tea sets and sold them under the name Sheffield Silversmiths. I was presented with one of the tea services when I left which my Mum used on a daily basis until recentley. I also bought a canteen of 'Lustre Grain' cutlery which my Mum still has.

It was Armin Krausz that told my father to keep working harder, this was to a man who had worked hard because he was on piecework.

I bought a case of cutlery from Hyram Wild to take to Australia as a wedding present in 1993
I wanted cutlery made in Sheffield and finally went to Wilds on Scotland St after some searching for a Sheffied firm that did all the processing themselves.
I was told most of the cutlery was brought in as blanks from abroad and just finished in Sheffield.
Hazel

Can anyone recall the company named Dickensons of Guernsey Road. I know they were there for many years as my grandfather worked there as a "Fork Grinder", a job he'd done from aged 13 to his death aged 73 in 1973.
Obviously, he didn't work his entire working life just for "Dickies" as he called them but, he was still there in 1973 so I wondered when they actually closed.
Bensons Carpet Suppliers now stands on the site which was occupied by Dickensons. Has anyone got a photo of Dickensons or do they know of any site which has?

Duffems.

Can anyone recall the company named Dickensons of Guernsey Road. I know they were there for many years as my grandfather worked there as a "Fork Grinder", a job he'd done from aged 13 to his death aged 73 in 1973.
Obviously, he didn't work his entire working life just for "Dickies" as he called them but, he was still there in 1973 so I wondered when they actually closed.
Bensons Carpet Suppliers now stands on the site which was occupied by Dickensons. Has anyone got a photo of Dickensons or do they know of any site which has?

Duffems.
I worked at a Cutlery firm called Donnellys on Portobello St and they bought carver Fork and round tang Spoon And Fork blanks from them and they were the best blanks in Sheffield. Their full name was John Henry Dickinson and they were still in full production in 1974.

Thank you so much lazarus, that's brilliant information. I realised that they'd been around for some years as I'd found an uncle also working there on his army records.
I recall going down to watch my grandfather "astride his horse" with sparks flying everywhere, no eye protection or mask, health & safety wasn't heard of then!
His arms were covered in scars where the burning pieces landed and he was always taking "motes" out of his skin.
The building itself was completely open to the elements, no windows, no extractors and the grinding shop was up an outside open metal staircase.
When he officially retired at 65 they didn't even give him a bottle of sherry, just asked him to stay on to help out which he did until he died aged 73.
I'm very grateful for your information lazarus as I couldn't find anything about them so I began to wonder if I'd got the name wrong.
Duffems

I had first hand expierience of " Moits " (whichever way you spell it ) it was a weekly visit to the royal to get them took off but a chap who I worked with called Johnny Mannion use to take them off with a corner of a rolled up pound note, something I learned to do or I used a matchstick sharpened to a point. They are called " Moits" because the loose bits of tea that float on top of a cup of tea are the proper " Moits " so a little bit of spark stuck to your eyeball was named after that.

Well thanks for that, you learn something every day!

Duffems

Does anyone remember the holloware/cutlers on Walkley Lane 1950/60s? I think it moved out to premises at Eckington/Renishaw which were later the site of the Peter Woods(?) factory.

Hi Harris Miller closed down in the late 70s all the plant and machenery went up for auction or scraped we did some polishing out work in the 70s a guy called roy was the factory manager,
we are one of the few left making cutlery my grand mother did outwork for sipples she was a missius buffer, started work 14 years old she was born in 1890 and lived till 95 years finished buffing at 86 i inhereted the buffing shop from my father it is now the biggest seller of EPNSA1 in the UK wwrightsilverware.com the arrows and numbers on cultery is goverment work it is old english or rattail for the army most is now imported plated on stainless steel.

There are very few left making cutlery those who are its a struggle.
steve

Sipelia sponsored bike races in Norfolk Park in the mid 60s.My wife won a load of cutlery which is still in use today.

This might not help but is worth a try. British Silverware Ltd that was until recently part of the Solpro group of companies (The Sheffield Smelting Company) ownes the rights to the names of many of the old Sheffield cutlery manufacturers. I know that my grandad's old employer Joseph Rodgers is one of them, they were major players in the old days.

Sorry to hijack this thread but i wondered if i could find out some info about some of my family, who were apparently cutlery manufacturers. This was in the 1830s to late 1800s and the family were called Wild.
Thanks

My dad worked for a Mr Wild, I don't know if he had a first name, in a little shop above the sheffield metal co. Backfields ( opposite Cole Bros next to Barleycorn) He was a die sinker, I think they just made tools and dies.
Tools for stamping out the blank before it was rolled or stamped, dies to stamp in the pattern.
He worked for Mr Wild from around the end of the war (he may have worked there during the war as well, but on munitions). I think he probably went there from school, so that would have been 1938 or 9
Then Mr wild retired and sold out to the company downstairs I suppose in the early 60s. There was no connection with Hyram Wild as far as I knew.

I bought a case of cutlery from Hyram Wild to take to Australia as a wedding present in 1993
I wanted cutlery made in Sheffield and finally went to Wilds on Scotland St after some searching for a Sheffied firm that did all the processing themselves.
I was told most of the cutlery was brought in as blanks from abroad and just finished in Sheffield.
Hazel

I used to work for Hiram Wild - Before it shut down about 6/7 years ago - They bought their blanks from Nickel Blanks, same as all other Sheffield cutlers in last few decades... They also made their own blanks up for cheaper, more basic cutlery (such as stuff made for NHS)... Sadly there is a well known company in Hathersage that stamps 'Sheffield' on far east blanks that have been only finished there :( No doubt they offer a true UK product, but the bulk is cheap tat buffed to a higher spec than it needs to be... Hiram's also had the last blade forge - not sure who runs this now? The sales team from Hiram's went to Arthur Price/George Butler in Handsworth...

Sorry to hijack this thread but i wondered if i could find out some info about some of my family, who were apparently cutlery manufacturers. This was in the 1830s to late 1800s and the family were called Wild.
Thanks


If we are talking Hiram Wild, they were sold about 10 years ago by John Wild, and the new owners ran the business into the ground... The last site was opposite Hallam fm on Herries Road... John Wild is still alive I believe? Wealthy family - I am sure you will know if this is the family you are related to though! There have been many 'little mesters' and perhaps your relatives are from those? Try at Cutlers Hall for their registers...

has anyone heard of inkerman silver???
i have done some research and this is one of the large cutlery companies left,
by the sounds of things it manufactures most of the sheffield cutlery for the trade.!!and other companies just put there name to it.
i here it has a factory shop up somewhere near the ski village.
there web site inkermansilver.co.uk
someone that use to work in the trade also said they have a cabinet making deparment to now.
rainer

my father was related to the firm Dawes and Ball. I believe they are still in existence. We used to have some cutlery with their name on it. I don't think they produce cutlery now.

Thank you so much lazarus, that's brilliant information. I realised that they'd been around for some years as I'd found an uncle also working there on his army records.
I recall going down to watch my grandfather "astride his horse" with sparks flying everywhere, no eye protection or mask, health & safety wasn't heard of then!
His arms were covered in scars where the burning pieces landed and he was always taking "motes" out of his skin.
The building itself was completely open to the elements, no windows, no extractors and the grinding shop was up an outside open metal staircase.
When he officially retired at 65 they didn't even give him a bottle of sherry, just asked him to stay on to help out which he did until he died aged 73.
I'm very grateful for your information lazarus as I couldn't find anything about them so I began to wonder if I'd got the name wrong.
Duffems

JH Dickinson's went bust in the early 1980's and were bought out by Lancelot Holdings, who kept the factory in Guernsey Road going. Later JHD were taken over by Jones & Longbottom (a little more can be learned here). http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/search.php?searchid=8919293

My father worked for JHDs from 1947 as a toolmaker and die-sinker, after being demobbed until they went bust, apart from a short spell at Ward & Paynes. My grandfather also worked for them on maintenance and if you remember the large steel doors on Guernsey Road they were made by him.

tazz

Can Anyone help. Im trying to sell some cutlery sets that have been in the box for the past 20 years. There solingen and 24k gold (look very cheesy) made in West Germany and my Father has asked me to sell them. Can anyone advise the best place to go to and sell them?

JH Dickinson's went bust in the early 1980's and were bought out by Lancelot Holdings, who kept the factory in Guernsey Road going. Later JHD were taken over by Jones & Longbottom (a little more can be learned here). http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/search.php?searchid=8919293

My father worked for JHDs from 1947 as a toolmaker and die-sinker, after being demobbed until they went bust, apart from a short spell at Ward & Paynes. My grandfather also worked for them on maintenance and if you remember the large steel doors on Guernsey Road they were made by him.

tazz
That's another piece of interesting information to add to my family history, I didn't know all this and I still live in Sheffield so, thanks for that Tazz.

I have an old plate that i have identified as being made by Cooper Bros of Sheffield England. I learned they were around from 1867 -1964.
Under the silversmiths markings there is the number 1635 stamped in the plate.
What i am wanting to know is what the numbers mean. I assume they represent the year of manufacture or a serial number of some kind.
Can anyone direct me to a site that i can research this? Thank you in advance

Any information on Cooper Bros would be appreciated.

Tibits of information I know:
Cooper Brothers were based on Arundel Street.....To its Cooper Building
In the 80's I think it merged or its assets passed to Cobbs and became known as Cooper-Cobbs. The 80's were tough time for the silverware industry with high Silver prices/recession etc. I think through further consolidation Cooper Cobbs merged with James Dixon Group. This silverware company also became a victim.
My guess is that the names and old tooling assets are now part of British Silverware Ltd.
a company that was born out of The Sheffield Smelting Company Known as Thessco.
British Silverware Ltd own many of the former silverware tooling assets from these former family silverware companies: James Dixon - Parkins - Cobbs - Coopers to name a few.

Thank you, for the information...any idea what the numbers might mean?

Could be a catalogue number if stamped into product. If like an etching the product could have been in for a repair at sometime.

Whip

The number is most likely the pattern number for the style of the piece.

PopT

i actual worked at harris millers in the mid eighties and met my long term girlfriend here..it was a great place of work.at one time employing well over a hundred people.some fantastic characters.tomo,clopper,dino,mick,waity,martin,all the lasses from the warehouse..oh and keith..while i was there it was under the ownership of a certain,elderly jewish gentlemen who had a son called andrew..the pay really sucked..i think i was earning around 50 pounds a week(half of which mr hunter took).and then on top of that we got an hours pay for every 10 gross we polished.:(..the place was very scruffy looking..i actually worked within the clairshop..there was a long line of items that were polished..branston pickle spoons,british airways,david mellor,hospital items.i think it closed in and around 1990.there was a massive fire that destroyed a large part of the building complex...anybody remember mr hunter..from the warehouse?..

You know quite a few of the people who were there when I used to collect from Millers, used to go to school with Waity,he lives in Oughtibridge now, My mum bumped into him earlier this year, do you remember 'Chelle Staff, used to live next door to her.

Mr Hunter was our chief contact, was always on the girls case about how much they were doing

Sorry to hijack this thread but i wondered if i could find out some info about some of my family, who were apparently cutlery manufacturers. This was in the 1830s to late 1800s and the family were called Wild.
Thanks

I am related to the Wilds. My gt gt grandfather (there might be too many or not enough gt's there!) was Hirum Wild the cutlery manufacturer. I know a little about the family. Please get in touch if you want to know more.

H m & Co Yes I remember this cutlery firm well having left school and started work in the Work Study Offices at the age of 17 ( 1974 ISH ). I was titled assistant W.S Engineer and eventually ran the office up to leaving shortly after meeting my partner to date , App 1978/9 The company was ran by Jews , the Director Armin Krausz known as the Old Man . His son was Neville and a relation was Franklyn I think . I got the post with no qualifications as it was a cheap labour situation and to be fair they paid for all training in this field .I will hopefully provide some names for those whom look back at these years gone by . Firstly , Departmental managers whom I remember . Warehouse was Harry Hunter , this place was adjacent to the old mans hide out . Harry besides running the warehouse was a bit of a George Cole and ran a safe full of ciggies and the likes to provide instant credit for the workforce . Because I handled the clock cards weekly I have some employees names still in my head to date .In this depo i remember 3 female cutlery inspectors whom sat near the old mans door . I think they were surnamed Penny Bilow and Wild . In the other end of the warehouse was a Mary Patterson whom worked with a lady with a leg disability , forget her name , shouldnt have really as I talked to her and her son regular . Also her was an attractive black haired female named Sharon ( married at the time ) . On the tryco cleaning tanks was a Dave Robins and his mom was named Muriel I think . I had nights out with Dave , he was an Elo fan back then , and I think he has a brother ! I also remember a Pat Garetcz and a Jane whom I had nights out In Stannington , great times . Thats the warehouse. I will continue with the other Departments shortly .

So on to the Cutlery Department . This manager was named Dick Hopkinson . I do recall Dick liked a drop of the old whisky and he used to tell me the prices/ names ect prior to my meeting with his workforce .I remember this Depo to be a flight higher than the warehouse level ! . Dick had a small office at the front of his shop floor where I met his workers one by one weekly to report the bonus they had earnt . Some of these Guys ( mainly females scared me to death at this young age )I dont remeber many here but there was a Hilda on one of the grinding wheels and I think at the other end of the shop on bigger rotating machines was a black man whom had a bad works injury on these machines , the name wont come at the moment !! Bar these I think there could have been an Elsie Bullock here . Elsie once came to my office when it was upstairs in my first few weeks and started to talk sexually about where I should put it besides the opposite sex !!! This was my first wake up to the real shop floor life out there and she terrified me !!!! Now I also recall a Tommy Marsh , Tommy either worked with Dick as his right hand man or likewise in conjunction with Harry Hunter he was always beetween the 2 places . The thing is with Tommy ( early clock no if I remember ) Tommy never ever worked less than 60 hours a week , he hardly ever missed a day and had one of the biggest brown wage packets in the Company . There was another simular chap but I forget his name despite bumping into him in the late eighties in Pitsmoor when I did remember !!! Sorry but I cant remember anyone else in this area . Cont shortly Nameboy

Harris Miller Co Part 3 Nameboy ....So I will move on to another department now . Firstly back to cutlery depo the blackman pre mentioned was called Godfrey Gale . Next in line has to be the forge ran by Keith Taylor . Keith was another great guy whom sadly had a nasty eye injury in latter years to my employment , however he still remained an active forge manager despite the injury although he did leave some short time after myself . I always remember Kieth for his long conversations in our office and stays could be as long as hour . A visit for a wage enquiry turned into a daily debate about anthing in current affairs. A main memory is that of his quotation " we are all numbers , just a number here and thats about it " He gave great empasise to that of we will all be taken over by computors one day , not far off the mark was he !!! Keith was a family man and his daughter was employed at some time I remember and left to have a baby if I remember . I had a night out with Keith at Hunters bar and stayed the night at his . One of his favourtite pastimes was holidays in his mobile caravan . Now I may get the employees wrong here , one could have been Roy Street . He was a massive guy and could have been the " crane " as someone else mentioned. This chappie used to the Chippy run at dinner time. I can still visualise him with his box of fish and chips for all the workers , mainly because of his " speed walk " . A black chap in the forge called Antony Ligockie was a friend of mine and again a night out was to be remembered well !! Another name coming in right just now is Priest , a George Priest could have worked in the forge . George could have tied fishing hooks for me , someone did and did so for all other fellow workers in the factory . Contd To part 4 Nameboy

Harris miller & Co Nameboy
Before moving on to the other remaining departments , here is reference to the offices of the Co , the first being in which I started in the Time and motion office . This was situate upstairs above the main reception area and could be seen from the deadly carriage way outside . This was the up and over road being 2 outer lanes with an inner under pass where many a serious accident took place from folk wishing to cross by jumping the fences. Our office was in beetween the main wages office and the accounts office on the top floor . Mrs Mumby was the chief wages clerk and she had the office bang above the reception which was on the corner of the building . Our role was to place the bonus calculations onto the clock cards after Mrs Mumby had placed the basic wages and that was the main liason within herself and us. A Mr Whittaker was the main Company accountant and used to work mornings only . This was just as well as our antics within the time office were kept a well secret ! I worked with Simon from square one and fun and games were part and parcel of the job . I remember to this date, 2 occasions where I got tape bound by Simon . The first was by the wrists and Mr Ibbotson ( a manager ) visited our office at the time , by pure fortune he didnt ask to see the filing cabinet " pull out " our office had a partition and what a plonker I would have felt had he have done so , I just sat in silence awating his departure , what a lucky escape . The second occasion was when Simon thought it was hilarious to tape bind both ankles and wrists and place me on the canteen trolley and push and let go from one end of the canteen to other . It was hilarious actually but I dont think Mr Whittaker have though so !!! Many more antics but cant remember although a game of cards was always on the agenda daily . This canteen did provide drinks and snacks for the workforce for a short while but ceased and turned into a cage . The cage was for monitering the daily steps of the work cycle for a particular job measured by tickets of progress brought in by time sheets from the work force. What a farce this was it was like being unable to complete the biggest jigsaw puzzle in the world . It was rare a job had been seen to finish with all the coloured tickets completed . I think Simon used to lock me up in there !!!These were the upstairs offices . Contd post

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The offices contd
After approx a couple of years the upstairs time and motion office was then resited downstairs to the side of the building which ran along the road from the reception area. Our old office was a store room for some reason and the wages office was turned into our recreation come store room . It was myself and my new working partner assistant Kevin whom painted the wages office at weekend and many a dinner hour was spent playing cards with management . Harry Hunter , Roy Thackeray , Keith Taylor , Dick Hopkinson Simon Kevin and I were the main source of the daily card school which we all much enjoyed . By now Simon had taken over the Grinders department . Part of this new move was that we now had to share the company of Mrs Mumby on a Friday with her clock cards in our new office .She spent the remainder of the week in the main reception office , phew !!Nice lady in all aspects but big problem our privacy was well and truly disturbed . However how lucky was I , I had an assistant , I was in control , and my desk had a phone on it along with a tagging calculater and a tape recorder come radio as a bonus !!!Another big problem here was that the card games in working hours could be seen from the upstairs gantry through our window , just as well it was mainly Harry Hunter that was the main potential viewer !!!!I always remember this new office was now a well and truly escape unit for the managers to come and drink tea with me for up to an hour at a time . At a snap of a finger Betty the tea lady or her sister would make tea all round and in fact she always had a cup of tea awaiting my arrival at 9.30 am bless them to this day ! Well thats the new offices , I,ll chat more about some other work names next time , and by the way the work force was now slowly dwindling down from a 280 odd strong capacity to 230 and Neville M,d,s son used to come and request seing the pay structure on the clock cards more so than ever before !!!!!!Nameboy

Harris Miller Co Cutlers
Before we move onto the other departments not mentioned , here is some minor detail to the Main entrance reception office . This office was situated at the front of the building on the corner entry, ther rounded semi shaped part. On the switchboard was a Michelle ,cant remember her surname but she lived in Hillsborough s6 . In the office was a lovely Sue Parker , A Bev and her mom and a Josie . I cant remember any others except the office manager a Mr Senior . mr Senior used to give me the occasional lift in the morning in a Cortina Mk1 from Cartonknowle Road where I lived in a bedsit . It would have been the only time I was there for 9am ( in latter years ) The thing i mainly remember about this chappie was i paid him a weekly visit on Fri to collector a " backhander " from him . This was a pound , not a bad sum in those days !! Mr Krauz used these backhanders as a main tecnique to workers when he wanted quick results , although mine was an established one , as a request for a pay increase failed !!! I really never knew if Mrs Mumby was aware of this backhander , i,m pretty sure though she would not have been too pleased !!!I,m sorry thats all i have on the office but next time I,ll post on Mr Krausz,s headquarters and hopefully get round to some more great workers that keep springing to mind . Hope these names help Nameboy

hi nameboy..been reading your passages with intrest...even though your time was spent in the 70s..quite a few people you have mentioned were actually still present ,when i did my time there...roy thackery was in charge within the clare shop...as i remember,he liked a drink on a friday afternoon..always stunk of booze..and came over all friendly...i got on really well with him...harry hunter (warehouse)..yes your right..a regular arthur daily character..nice guy though..tommy marsh was still hanging around the clock in office to deter anybody clocking out early..he was not very well liked around the place...old man kroutz was still there...he used to make himself comfy within the warehouse..not a very pleasant guy...grumpy actually...used to always ware a brown ,cream suit..neville was more of a friendly chap..he actually worked with me within the clare shop one day...you may remember pam..she worked within the ware house..she was partially blind...she worked near the dipper, packing cutlery...a truly great experience for me to have worked in such a place...you could write a book about the adventures i had ...sounds like you had some great times yourself...

Well I,ve chatted about our offices and I,ll move on to other departments within this Cutlery factory now . Nice to see a response from a Rickhornloom whom also seemed to enjoy his times at this establishment . Firstly going back to the Cutlers depo , well the Hilda I mentioned sprang back to mind whilst i was driving arround recently. Her name was Hilda Hilton and I remember I associated her with the pleasant smell of talc powder!!! on my many shop floor meetings ! Here comes another ... the other Tommy Marsh was a Geof Bishop amazing how these names still turn over 30 years on !!Geof seemed to be the handyman , a well built muscle bound male ( handyman) the type you would only perhaps argue with verbally if you dare !!!Still I got on with him , so thats what counted to me , i was still ****ting yellow anyway ! Ok we,ll move into the clairpol now where Rick worked. Roy Thackeray was the manager here in my day . A very serious chappy whom seemingly only let his guard down in dinner breaks playing cards or in my office over teas . I remember Roy liked his teddy boy days and he actually kindly gave me a mustard like suit , think I used it once and binned it or flogged it on !! I can see why he gave it me now !! He used to also like selling things as Harry did and Roy once came to our office with a raffle ticket selling plan to raise money for his watch collection , cant remember how it went though ! he was married at the time and I did bump into him once at Handsworth arround the 80,s to discover he had split up . In Roys clair shop I remember as other depo,s all the workers were serious workers here , really serious , a hard job and I seem to remember the rollers or simular but I didnt really do many timings here . Some of the jobs were piece work in the clair although bonus did exist here as well . Here are some names I recall Iqbal , Hussain , and a Spencer although Spencer could have been in grinding . Poor show for names here , sorry, but thats how it goes ! Well I also remember once Roy came into my office and a prase that wont leave me is that he said "writers write about it and singers sing about it " he was on about LOVE at the time, perhaps he had a bad night with his missus or somewhat , I dont know . Well thats Roy a nice friendly serious chap , liked his card at dinner as well , wonder how he is to date . Next time its the Grinders shop , By for now nameboy . Those were the days .

a lot of the machinery from harris millers went to isreal,my step dad harry gray had to go over and set up most of the machinery.no one as mentioned him but he worked there many years,they would not make him redundent and gave him jobs like sweeping up the shop floor to try and make him leave,he was treated terrible.my mother eliza gray also worked there she was a buffer at many of the cutlery firms.i nworked at chas.kirkbys who made the wooden boxes for the cutlery,and my wife lined some great cases for mappin and webb.

Moving on to the Press Department. Firstly I see kenny gray has mentioned Harry . Yes I remember that Harry worked in my days but unfortunately cant visualise him , amazing how these names spring to mind still . I reckon kenny worked there as well !! Onto Press , Ran by My Ibbotson . A bald headed serious man always in a white works overcoat , could have passed as the medic ! Once came bouncing into my office in my early days ( upstairs ) and accused me of spreading gossip that he had affair with someone . I seriously didnt know anything about it , denied it and never heard anything else about it . Suppose it could have been a cover up or somthing , i,ll never know . The rumblers was next door to the Press , both on ground floor although the Press could have been slightly lower level. I dont remeber the manager in the rumblers but he was on a steady decline being an alcoholic and I think he dies there in my time . Keith Taylor visited him at home often . Press Cont Nameboy

PRESS dept Cont Nameboy . Mr Ibbotson certainly knew how to pick his young attractive female workers . I did a bit of time and motion down there , the girls I remember here were Sharon Elvin , Sharon Casey and a Marie Ward these were the younger whilst there may have been an elder Dorothy "Dot" Hession . Dot had an eye disablity , it seemed to roll arround and when she talked i felt i was some 5 ft to one side when she looked at me ! Dot always looked as though she been she,d done about 3 weeks work without a break , poor lass . She lived on the Wybourn but I did bump into her in the 80,s in Norfolk Park , shed moved to the flats and hadnt changed at all ! Now, the other girls , well Simon took a fancy to Sharon Elvin whilst I did so to Sharon casey and Marie Ward . S Elvin and Maria lived on the Wybourn and the other Sharon lived in the Hyde Park flats with her mom and sister . I dated Sharon Casey and stayed a while one xmas at her flat . We often frequented the Queens head , a pub on duke street corner next to funeral place and the police ( or railway) W/m club on queens road . Sharon apparantly went to London as I bumped into Her mom at Parsons cross in the 80,s .I cans see how folk could easily settle down to a relation in this Co as rickhornloom seemingly did !!A big familyran Co it was in early days . Now Maria I did date once to a Woodhouse pub , didnt come to anything , I remember she was an avid Bowie fan and other lads in the area were chasing her ! Mt Ibbotson did frequent Isreal more so than other managers with old man Krauz or Nevill and frankel . Cont , i,ll move you into the old mans hide out , what I remember !Nameboy

Harris Miller and Co ( The bosses office ) Now this office was were the old man was dominant . It was situated beetween the main office and the warehouse . Entrance both ends if I,m right . Mr Krausz as rickhornloom stated , did always ware his creamish suit on and to this day reminds me of Master spy , the evil character in GerrY Andersons Supercar ( prior to Thunderbirds ) This was the guy with a somewhat triangular shaped head . Every week the old man held a managers meeting , my job was to present the production figures formulated from each managers department together with statistical costings . Mr Whittacker the Accountant as mentioned was the reader of the minutes of the managers meetings and I think I had the job of reading the production figures out , always in sheer silence !! When Whittaker was absent , oops it was my job to read out also the minutes of the previous meeting , I apsolutely hated this , but ohh what experience. On one occasion I recall a meeting which broke out into sheer silence again where the old man shouted out in total rage " who is this blagard , I shall dismiss him immediately " I cant remember the story behind this now , but I do remember I was in collusion with Keith Taylor and I took the wrap for it . I actaully put my hand up in the meeting in response to his question , I never got the sack , but I was ****ting it . One thing is I knew every single manager there each week always dreaded the good old meetings especially if the production was down . The office was generally the place where the workers went in for a " backhander " i,m coming on to the end of my postings now , but next is the Grinders Shop before I leave you . Nameboy

Harris Miller Co Cutlers Grinders Dept
Before we go into grinding , rickhornloom mentiioned a Pam , coming back slightly to me was it a Pam Goodison ! A Janet Handisides has sprang back to mind on this note and I think Janet worked in teaset packing under Harry Hunter.A Sadee Rodgers has sprang back here , anyone recall her ? Zazarus mentioned a George Waite, could have been here or Forge !
The Grinding section was ran by an elderly chap named Jim Smith when I first started my employment in Millers . Now Jim was a great chap , a friend of every one I would say and not just because of his money lending help . It was often the case I would visit Jim in his office and ask him for a temp loan while payday , no questions asked a £5 er was there for me , always paid him back and I guess he helped others out likewise .Jim was a keen angler like myself and he drove an 1100 Blmc . He always had his flat cap on and to me was one of the friendliest people arround . He once asked me about the girls and why I was chasing them arround all the time , when i could have stuck it in a jar of worms !!! Life on every shop floor was fantastic ...Anyone remember Jim? I think he died shortly after he left , may be wrong . I,ll never forget good old Jim though , a down to earth salt of the earth really nice genuine guy .In the grinding dept was a big family name of Pantin or Panting . A Bernard Pantin was there . Other names I recall were the females by time sheets in order ..Fretwell Clayton and Barnes and a Flanaghan and Greaves rings a bell . Harry Gray as pre mentioned may have been here ! Another name I remember was a character named Malcolm Whitworth . When my offices moved downstairs , shortly after Simon whom I worked with took over Grinders from Jim Smith . Simon went on to run his shoe shop empire and is still ( I think ) doing ok to this date . Finally i finish the next post by where i started in the Time and motion office and hopefully may remember other names for you !!! See you soon Nameboy

i never worked there but harry was there right to the end as i explained he was there until the end having worked there a long time.i worked at kirkbys as stated who made the cutlery cases.when i realised the poor pay and conditions of the trade i got out quick.

Sorry to hijack this thread but i wondered if i could find out some info about some of my family, who were apparently cutlery manufacturers. This was in the 1830s to late 1800s and the family were called Wild.
Thanks

Could be an interesting story here. As I understand, Hiram Wild saved a boy from drowning in a reservoir, (poss. Strines) His grateful dad started Hiram off in Cutlery.
Mike

Sipelia was a trade name for Sipels on Blast Lane, the firm ran along side the Canal and the Canal is full of pieces of Cutlery that was thrown out through the windows. I dont know if the building is still there as I have not been down that way for over forty years.

yes the building is still there i am told its going to be converted and used for the homeless at the moment i believe it is used to sell second hand furniture i know sipples very well i worked there 1n 1950 s i was a buffer girl and i was the firsl person in sheffield to work on the bank polisheing machines

Tibits of information I know:
Cooper Brothers were based on Arundel Street......

I worked there for a couple of months as a drop stamper when I first left school in 74. It was all hand made stuff. I worked with a Jamaican guy, he set the dies up etc and held the blanks in place and I pulled the rope and dropped the top die. Once I let it go before he was ready and hurt his thumb, so I had to hold them on while he pulled the rope until his thumb was better. I didn't enjoy that, I was always worried the same would happen to me so I didn't have a very steady grip!

i workt at cooper bros in the 1980s with my dad jess douglas

does anyone remember Albert Edge, who worked for harris millar's in the late 60's early 70's, he was my dad, i remember going into work with him a couple of time's around christmas, ny mum Ivy also worked there for a while

I worked at a few of the cutlery factories, I was a W&H when they closed down, we all got some real good deals, wish I had bought more, a couple of the men got caught stealing and selling the stuff to the staff, shame as we could have just stolen it olurselves :) I thnk they got some jail timne over it.

I don't remember names too well, but we had some good laughs with a girls that worked on the belts...last buff, I remember Vera, another lady had 2 or 3 fingers missing she was the fastest worker there.

I think Trerry (somebody) was one of our bosses back then...good looking chap.

Anyhow every day I bought a pack of 5 woodbines from a hole in the wall accross the street from W&H.

"work for a cutlery manufacturer who are still going stong (thank goodness!) Harrison Fisher & co. Ltd. (a.k.a Taylors Eye Witness)".

My DAd HArry Green worked for Harrison Fisher for much of his life RIP Dad

My father Paul Wietscher worked for Sipples before the war. He moved to Sheffield in 1932 having been approached by an agent sent to Solingen the cutlery centre of Germany by the Sipple brothers who were looking for skilled workers. My father married when his fiancée travelled from Germany to join him in Sheffield. One of the witnesses at the wedding was one of the Sipple brothers. Both my mother and father were interned the Isle of Man for the duration of the war. My father went back to work for the Sipple brothers upon his return to Sheffield after the war. Many of the German cutlery families changed their names after the war due to the intense anti German feelings generated by the heavy bombing of Sheffield. The Rickardt family became Richards, Vymear family became Vyners etc. My father refused to change his name, which I recall, led to many problems for my brother and myself. Eventually my father started his own company, which was called FT Plating and was situated at Jubilee Works.
Sipples went on to become one of the top five cutlery Companies and were well known for their forward thinking. Latterly it was run by Kenneth Lovell Collin. He was a great innovator and was proud to say that they had not had a strike in 25 years. They specialised in very high quality products. They even made a set of cutlery named Apollo. A complete set was sent to each of the men who landed on the moon in exchange (as was the custom) for a small coin. Mrs Aldrin even sent the required small coin along with her thanks.

In my own research I have not been able to find any photographs taken at the works and would very much like to contact anyone who has any details or photographs of the workers and machinery.

I work for a cutlery manufacturer who are still going stong (thank goodness!) Harrison Fisher & co. Ltd. (a.k.a Taylors Eye Witness). :bigsmile:

I know I am picking up on an old answer but just like to add that my late mother worked for Harrison Fisher (a.k.a Taylors Eye Witness)until the 70's I think. I have a cake knife which she got for my wedding in 1972.I have very vague memory of visiting the premises (must have been in the 50's)and going up some wooden stair to the buffing shop? probably to see her workmates.Very dark place to work in as I recall.Is it or was it on Rockingham street?
I did think it had gone out of existance

I am trying to trace information about two manufacturers of cutlery in Sheffield. The first is a company that stamped each Stainless steel item with H M & Co and the year - I have pieces dated from 1966 to 1981. The other marked a spoon I have with Sipelia Stainless Steel Sheffield England. there is also another query but it may not relate to Sheffield - the front of the Sipelia spoon is stamped Edwin Jones & Co Ltd along the handle and Coronet across it. Can anyone out there help with any of these?
Christopher

The name Sipelia came from the Sipel family who named their factory Sipelia Works. The Sipels were German jews who fled the persecution in the 1930s. The Sipels were friends of my grandfather and my late mother used to talk about them. I am sure I met one of them in the late 1950s. You might find this link interesting
http://www.emmaus-sheffield.org.uk/sipelia_history.php

Apologies for another thread hijack!

From family history research, I have found that my ggg-grandfather was William Willey, who with his sons Henry, Charles, and William was manufacturing penknives, razors, and table knives in the 1830s and 1840s under the name William Willey & Sons, and possibly using the trademark 'RAILWAY' granted to him when he achieved his 'freedom' in 1831. They were living and working in the Chester Street area. The firm was dissolved in the mid-1840s when Henry moved to Liverpool, William and his son William went to London, and left Charles to continue in Sheffield until he too moved out (to Liverpool) several years later.

However, apart from entries in the trade directories I have no information about the firm. I should be very grateful if anybody has copies of advertising material, catalogues, etc - or examples of the knives themselves, which I have never seen.

William set up two shops in London, one on Fish Street hill in the City (close to the Great Fire Monument) and on at 113 Ratcliff Highway in the east end. The latter shop continued operating until the 1890s.

Please email me if you have any information at all !

- Steve

When i left school in u.k. I went to work in the office of brooksbanks on boston st.,
Whilst there i tried every machine etc., in the processes of making cutlery,just so i knew what i was talking about when ordering etc.,
I was able to actually make some cutlery myself & to this day i still have them.
Brooksbanks used to supply woolworths internationally with crappy :) looking furnace made knives, & the forks they bought from another manufacturer if i remember correctly.
We did work with hiram wild,whats the names of the 2 big firms argh can't remember but harold brooksbank used to 'sashay' around town with a john vere(sp),his father had a large cut.firm.
I tried to sit at a furnace (which was always staffed by arabs,many of who had just landed & couldn't speak a word of english except social security) & the heat was unbearable & so dangerous.
The big drop hammer had chopped off a few fingers too-not a guard in site & some machines did have guards but workers took them off.
Saw 1 stupid youth with below shoulder length hair be scalped by the grinding wheel he bent over after taking guard off -very bloody, no compo in those days.
Whenever an accident occured it had to be put in the acc.book which was for gov.to see.Many times heard & watch management working out how to make the accident look real instead of telling the truth re.no guards etc.,

I worked at harris millers around 1986 after i finished college worked in the press shop remember neville wright think his surname was he was dating a girl called jayne bit bossy .
There was a long steel table we used to cob the cutlery into trays for the guys to press on the big machines one guy was called alan and a youngish lad on the other press think he had an accident from what i can remember .
Remember using a machine to take guards off forks and buffing think i remember a sharon and rachelle .

I worked at harris millers around 1986 after i finished college worked in the press shop remember neville wright think his surname was he was dating a girl called jayne bit bossy .
There was a long steel table we used to cob the cutlery into trays for the guys to press on the big machines one guy was called alan and a youngish lad on the other press think he had an accident from what i can remember .
Remember using a machine to take guards off forks and buffing think i remember a sharon and rachelle .

I worked there too in the 80s around the same time. I started in the press shop. I remember being on a machine next to one of the hammers and one man had the tips of his fingers took off by one of the hammers (i remember clearly the hammer in question didnt have the safety guards on) We had to search around for his fingers which made me run to the toilets trying not to be sick after finding one in my box of cutlery! I remember when it happened because I felt wetness at the side of my face which turned out to his blood. When I turned around he was holding out his hand to me which looked like strings of skin dangling from his finger ends dripping blood. At first I didnt know if to laugh, because he was a bit of a joker and I first thought he was having me on! Brrr I will always remember that horrible event.
I remember the press shop foreman Neville and his bird Jayne, she thought she was the boss how she used to order us around.
After I went into the warehouse where I worked on the tryco cleaning tanks. That was hot work and after about a year I ended being poorly with stomach cramps. I had to have tests and they found certain amounts of trichloroethylene in my urine. I know health and safety officers was involved, because the vents to the tanks wasnt efficient. I had to leave and it wasnt long then when they closed down.

was he a youngish lad or was it alan used to talk to him all the time my memorys rubbish yes she likes telling us what to do thanks for the pm

was he a youngish lad or was it alan used to talk to him all the time my memorys rubbish yes she likes telling us what to do thanks for the pm

Skinny bloke with glasses, cannot remember his name, could have been alan? I do remember they was only 3 or 4 on the hammers if not counting neville. A young kid, who was learning on them at the time. A dark hair fella think he had a tach, but my memory could have merged him with someone else he was about mid 30s to 40s and the skinny bloke whom which accident happened late 20s?. I Cannot remember who else. Did you yourself work on the hammers? I worked on the machines that trimmed the cutlery ready for the hammers.

i remember the incident clearly that day..regarding the stamp accident (fingers)...i worked in the claire shop above...and we all scurried down to see what all the fuss was about....i actually saw some finger tips on the stamp itself..very messy.i dont think he was of work for that long though...i seem to remember him coming in a brand new car...so he looked as if he got a decent payout....i remember a young male working in the stamp shop...we used to call him howard jones...he had the rather large hair style howard jones used to sport...this may jog someones memory...cant think of his name though...

i think the guy who had the accidents name was kevin...he used to wear a white coat....had glasses..i think he was around 20 years old...nice guy...do you remember any others from hm and company..???...honky..tomo..martin..(the geek with the glasses)lol..tommy..clopper..pam..judy..andrea..mr hunter..richard...anne..bilton brothers..dale and dave....dolly..keith....deno..steve from the grinders..kath..robin..jackie..spence(who sadly passed away quite a few years ago)....to name afew...just may jog a memory or 2...

i remember the incident clearly that day..regarding the stamp accident (fingers)...i worked in the claire shop above...and we all scurried down to see what all the fuss was about....i actually saw some finger tips on the stamp itself..very messy.i dont think he was of work for that long though...i seem to remember him coming in a brand new car...so he looked as if he got a decent payout....i remember a young male working in the stamp shop...we used to call him howard jones...he had the rather large hair style howard jones used to sport...this may jog someones memory...cant think of his name though...

Yes I remember him, we used to call him howard jones too but I cannot remember his real name. His machine was nearest to the door. Always sat on that small stool. I cannot remember what he used to do though, whereas most of us used to rotate on different jobs, he stayed on that 1 machine. Some of those names does ring a bell. They was also a theresa up in the warehouse.

i think the guy who had the accidents name was kevin...

Yes thats his name, it all comes back now:)

tommy..clopper..pam..judy..andrea..

These names ring a bell, did they work in the press shop?
I was in the press shop for around a year, the people was ok but they was all a little older than myself and more reserve. I was around 17yrs. I helped out a few times in the warehouse when they was short staffed and while I was there heard they was a job going, which I applied and was accepted. It was more fun in the warehouse it was like one big family up there, all mostly my age. People from the press shop tried to change my mind in going into the warehouse, they said it was all rough folk. But they was the nicest people.

kevin rings a bell think that was his name .I used to work where they pressed the cutlery out and cobbing on the bench there was a guy i remember on a wheel and he never moved very young i was about 19 or 20 and the guy with the tash rings a bell now anyone remember rachelle used to go out with her to the night club lol those were the days and a guy called shaun .

tommy was the old dude in the clock house..made sure you didnt sneak out...real old git of a fellow...clopper and tomo worked in the rumbler house..i do remember andrea from the warehouse....

there were so many people with taches at that time it could have been any number of people...steve from the warehouse was one that stood out...he also wore glasses...

think andrea hung around with sharon as you st to know them that name rings a bell

you may remember pam...the blind women...shes still alive and kicking today...then there was andrea with the funny lip...she could be a right cow at times...there was judy with the dark hair...she went out with tommo from the rumblers...there was debbie with the fake blonde hair...marie..who always seemed to be sat down...every body warned me about her being a cow...but i got on with her very well...i do remember a stream of young people coming to work there..but they came and went...usually within a couple of weeks...

there was a guy i remember on a wheel and he never moved very young i was about 19 or 20 .

Yes, I think he was the howard jones guy, with the stuck up hair.

Was shaun the young one? that worked on the hammers?

I remember and not inc jayne they was 2 other young girls in the press shop. Both was on piece work. One was a bit of a tomboy, blond short hair and the other very tall and slim.

yes sounds like him cant remember his name shaun worked in another shop used to go out with him lol i was on piece work thought everyone was

yes sounds like him cant remember his name shaun worked in another shop used to go out with him lol i was on piece work thought everyone was

No I wasnt on piecework. Not all of us was. I remember it was something like 1.40 per hr :suspect: