View Full Version : Is 'blacking up' racist?


geek_andy
28-04-2009, 23:15
So my mate and I were thinking of whom to dress as for a fancy dress thing and came to this kind of conclusion:

Mark Knopfler - Fair enough, get a couple of sweat bands and roll the sleeves of your suit jacket up.

Jimi Hendrix - Not a chance.

We decided that emulating the style of a black person would probably attract the wrong kind of attention, but would you see this as 'racist'? After all, both ideas are the same result - trying to look like a famous, instantly recognisable figure.

I mean, it's not like I'd go as a black and white minstrel, I think it's fairly obvious that that would offend.

A sensible discussion please...

MrEngland
29-04-2009, 00:42
I wouldnt have a problem with a black bloke whiting up so its safe to asume they wouldnt really have a problem with you blacking up.
If they do then they are looking to be offended so probably will be.

Sketty24
29-04-2009, 00:44
I wouldn't think so, as you're not doing it insultingly.

Pr0187
29-04-2009, 00:47
I dont think anyone would care if you put a load of chains, baggy jeans, oversized t-shirts on etc and went round saying yo dawg, at least I wouldnt, I would just laugh

Deepcarowl
29-04-2009, 01:29
So my mate and I were thinking of whom to dress as for a fancy dress thing and came to this kind of conclusion:

Mark Knopfler - Fair enough, get a couple of sweat bands and roll the sleeves of your suit jacket up.

Jimi Hendrix - Not a chance.

We decided that emulating the style of a black person would probably attract the wrong kind of attention, but would you see this as 'racist'? After all, both ideas are the same result - trying to look like a famous, instantly recognisable figure.

I mean, it's not like I'd go as a black and white minstrel, I think it's fairly obvious that that would offend.

A sensible discussion please...


Someone I know regularly goes to fancy dress parties as Mr T, blacked up and with the thick gold chains, he even shaves his head into a mohican and draws a beard on in black marker!

LibertyBell
29-04-2009, 07:00
Might be seen as offensive by some. Why not go as a white pop star like john lennon or michael jackson.

Tipex
29-04-2009, 07:13
Only becomes offensive if people let it.

eastbank
29-04-2009, 08:20
Might be seen as offensive by some. Why not go as a white pop star like john lennon or michael jackson.



saw five kids at butlins for 70s weekend dressed in white trousers..white shirts..coloured tank tops..black curly wigs..and black faces...they were the jackson five.....they looked great....and no one took offence...

Frank Sidney
29-04-2009, 08:31
So my mate and I were thinking of whom to dress as for a fancy dress thing and came to this kind of conclusion:

Mark Knopfler - Fair enough, get a couple of sweat bands and roll the sleeves of your suit jacket up.

Jimi Hendrix - Not a chance.

We decided that emulating the style of a black person would probably attract the wrong kind of attention, but would you see this as 'racist'? After all, both ideas are the same result - trying to look like a famous, instantly recognisable figure.

I mean, it's not like I'd go as a black and white minstrel, I think it's fairly obvious that that would offend.

A sensible discussion please...

Whatever your intentions are it will be deemed as racist. Some will say its disrespectful, you'll probably find that black people wouldn't be bothered and would be more amused. However, you may need to gage a response first.

Then there'll be the white middle class types who spew out all sorts of sociology tripe. If you do it at a university or business event, you'll probably be told its, at the least, inapproriate.

Why don't you test run the idea by walking up Burngreave Rd one night in your costumes:hihi:

micky12
29-04-2009, 08:34
this is not a good idea.

try another one.

Thebanginman
29-04-2009, 08:49
Its a sad country this has become when what is basically a bit of fun has to be thought out because of the saddos in society,the only people who will take offence will be the white supposedly do gooders ,dont let them win ..go for it.

lizmachin
29-04-2009, 08:59
I can't see any offence. I am South African by birth. In Cape Town they have an annual event called the Coon Carnival. The black folk "black up" and dress as minstrels. Everyone seems to enjoy it.

Only American tourists seem to find offence.

Urien
29-04-2009, 09:35
It's only "racist" to some-one looking for an opportunity to make an issue out of it to promote an agenda.

Kthebean
29-04-2009, 09:56
'Blacking up' for the sake of it or as a black n white minstrel might be racist but if you're going to fancy dress as a celebrity who's black then i dont see why it is.

I'd do it but make sure your costume really looked like jimi in other ways as well otherwise you just look like a white guy who's come as a black guy which is rubbish.

"I'm just a dude, prentending to be a dude pretending to be another dude"

f0rd
29-04-2009, 09:59
I remember once at a fancy dress night back at Uni a couple a months ago, a group of people were dressed up as the Ghost Busters, evidently they didn't have any black friends or none that could/wanted to attend the event, so one of them 'blacked' themselves up, I didn't see them get any hassle, tho I did find it quite humorous.

f0rd
29-04-2009, 10:02
On a further note, if you want a bad ass idea, and have a couple of quid to spare go as Daft Punk.

http://www.instructables.com/id/How_To_Make_Two_Daft_Punk_Outfits_with_Helmets/

depoix
29-04-2009, 10:04
It's only "racist" to some-one looking for an opportunity to make an issue out of it to promote an agenda.

exactly and thats what most of the cases are about ,someone wanting to get their five minutes of fame by complaining,it was the same when the prince dressed as hitler,the media tried to hype it up,nothing was ever said when Freddie starr did it

Frank Sidney
29-04-2009, 10:31
I can't see any offence. I am South African by birth. In Cape Town they have an annual event called the Coon Carnival. The black folk "black up" and dress as minstrels. Everyone seems to enjoy it.

Only American tourists seem to find offence.

Mmmmm it appears PC means a computer in SA.:hihi:

depoix
29-04-2009, 11:05
as i posted earlier,there is always some one who will complain about the least little thing,such as this
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/swine-flu/5240868/Swine-flu-Israel-row-over-non-kosher-virus-name.html

the important thing is that the virus is beaten,not what it is called

morrisseygal
29-04-2009, 11:48
I once had a fancy dress party at home, i was going as a propper dressed up old black lady on her way to church, with the big floral bright outfit and pat butcher earings, i phoned a half cast friend for hair/wig advice which she gave gladly and then i heard she had told everyone i was racist lol...Pathetic, i then took myself off to that shop on eccy rd and got face paint especially for achieving the right colour for black skin, so it seems to some its racist, to most its not. I looked bloody great and didnt let it bother me 1 bit!

bladelad
29-04-2009, 11:53
So my mate and I were thinking of whom to dress as for a fancy dress thing and came to this kind of conclusion:

Mark Knopfler - Fair enough, get a couple of sweat bands and roll the sleeves of your suit jacket up.

Jimi Hendrix - Not a chance.

We decided that emulating the style of a black person would probably attract the wrong kind of attention, but would you see this as 'racist'? After all, both ideas are the same result - trying to look like a famous, instantly recognisable figure.

I mean, it's not like I'd go as a black and white minstrel, I think it's fairly obvious that that would offend.



A sensible discussion please...

is micheal jackson a racist for bleaching his skin white ?

MrEngland
29-04-2009, 12:27
is micheal jackson a racist for bleaching his skin white ?

No hes a mentaly disturbed peadophile:thumbsup::lol:

slimsid2000
29-04-2009, 14:14
Not in my opinion. Al Jolson made a career out of it and the Black and White Minstral show ran for years.

eastbank
29-04-2009, 15:04
Not in my opinion. Al Jolson made a career out of it and the Black and White Minstral show ran for years...


used to love that show as a kid......when you look back it did nobody any harm...........just good old family entertainment........

stackmonkey
29-04-2009, 23:30
if the blacking up is obviously being done for a particular event, you should be OK, although some will see it as racist.
It would be VERY funny if say, (I'm assuming you're white) you blacked up and a black friend of yours whited up and you went as a duo? (paul McCartney and STevie wonder?)

ninja1889
29-04-2009, 23:39
If no-one went to a fancy dress as a black character, then surely that is discriminating against blacks?

Scozzie
29-04-2009, 23:47
I went to a party dressed as Whoopie Goldberg from Sister Act...... thing is, I went into the venue, chatted to a few random people and realised no one else was in fancy dress - I'd gone into the wrong building - a CHURCH of all places - dressed as a black nun.

They all said I looked great and when I finally got to the right party thing were all ok there too.
There was someone dressed as Shrek too - so I wasn't the only coloured person there!!

Harleyman
30-04-2009, 00:00
By todays standards it would be racist.

The Black and White Minstrel show for those old enough to remenber it is regarded today as being racist and the show long gone

stackmonkey
30-04-2009, 00:03
Let's put it this way; remember prince harry/william in the Nazi costume?
There's a very fine line..........

Solomon1
30-04-2009, 00:16
Is 'blacking up' racist?

yes it is geek andy :)

MrEngland
30-04-2009, 00:17
yes it is geek andy :)

Why is it?

Solomon1
30-04-2009, 00:23
Why is it?

its quite difficult to explain.....more a gut reaction than anything else.

i'll have a think.....:)

Solomon1
30-04-2009, 00:34
Why is it?

ok...here's one thing.....

white people are pretty clueless when it comes to appreciating what its like to be a black person.

especially in a country mostly run by old white men....

they think they know

but they don't

just like none of us can really know anything about anything.......until we've experienced that exact experience.

so for a white person to black up....

well....to me, it trivialises what its actually like to be a black person

Solomon1
30-04-2009, 00:36
also, the people that tend to do it are usually arrogant, insensitive, attention-seekers

i've yet to meet an emotionally intelligent, educated person who blacks up

MrEngland
30-04-2009, 00:56
ok...here's one thing.....

white people are pretty clueless when it comes to appreciating what its like to be a black person.

especially in a country mostly run by old white men....

they think they know

but they don't

just like none of us can really know anything about anything.......until we've experienced that exact experience.

so for a white person to black up....

well....to me, it trivialises what its actually like to be a black person
Fair enough. Thanks for the answer :)

Solomon1
30-04-2009, 01:01
Fair enough. Thanks for the answer :)

you are welcome mr england :)

Scozzie
30-04-2009, 01:16
ok...here's one thing.....

white people are pretty clueless when it comes to appreciating what its like to be a black person.

especially in a country mostly run by old white men....

they think they know

but they don't

just like none of us can really know anything about anything.......until we've experienced that exact experience.

so for a white person to black up....

well....to me, it trivialises what its actually like to be a black person

so on tha note - people shouldn't dress up in fat suits either?

nuffsaid
30-04-2009, 03:22
[QUOTE=geek_andy;4956605]So my mate and I were thinking of whom to dress as for a fancy dress thing and came to this kind of conclusion:

Mark Knopfler - Fair enough, get a couple of sweat bands and roll the sleeves of your suit jacket up.

Jimi Hendrix - Not a chance.

We decided that emulating the style of a black person would probably attract the wrong kind of attention, but would you see this as 'racist'? After all, both ideas are the same result - trying to look like a famous, instantly recognisable figure.

I mean, it's not like I'd go as a black and white minstrel, I think it's fairly obvious that that would offend.


its only white folk that make it an issue black folk dont care less

mh01
30-04-2009, 03:34
me & a couple of mates got dressed up for a fancy dress night out down town as the 3 degrees, boot polish & all. after a few drinks round town we went in a club of which was predominantly filled with black & asain clubbers & not once were we asked to leave & nor did we recieve any nasty comments all night. it was taken in the joke it was meant to be, we actually felt proud of sheffield that night it showed black & asians do have a sense of humour & appreciated it was all in fun

eastbank
30-04-2009, 08:32
one fancy dress shop in sheffield hires the jackson five outits complete with curley wig and facepaint

auto98uk
30-04-2009, 11:42
I think there is more than one type of blacking up - the old minstrel type where you leave round the mouth clear in order to make it look like you have huge lips is racist, but full on blacking up i wouldn't have a problem with

junai
30-04-2009, 12:23
Very few black people would find this offensive. Much more likely to offend white middle class people.

junai
30-04-2009, 12:24
I can't see any offence. I am South African by birth. In Cape Town they have an annual event called the Coon Carnival. The black folk "black up" and dress as minstrels. Everyone seems to enjoy it.

Only American tourists seem to find offence.

South Africa - well known for its racial tolerance.

junai
30-04-2009, 12:26
I once had a fancy dress party at home, i was going as a propper dressed up old black lady on her way to church, with the big floral bright outfit and pat butcher earings, i phoned a half cast friend for hair/wig advice which she gave gladly and then i heard she had told everyone i was racist lol...Pathetic, i then took myself off to that shop on eccy rd and got face paint especially for achieving the right colour for black skin, so it seems to some its racist, to most its not. I looked bloody great and didnt let it bother me 1 bit!

Maybe she told everyone you're racist because you refer to people of mixed race as 'half cast' (and it's caste by the way - why are racists always bad at spelling?)

Yog Sothoth
30-04-2009, 12:37
People do it on telly all the time, and I never hear any complaints.

rf2690
30-04-2009, 12:42
is there only two things in this world racism and religion,get a grip what ever happened to fun .

junai
30-04-2009, 12:49
is there only two things in this world racism and religion,get a grip what ever happened to fun .

That should be 'are there' and should include a question mark as it's a question (i wont even get into the misplaced comma or the lack of capitalisation). I agree with the sentiment though.

Solomon1
30-04-2009, 12:55
so on tha note - people shouldn't dress up in fat suits either?

well, you tell me scozzie :)

....how comfortable would you feel wearing a fat suit and sat next to a fat person?

its taking the ****

koenigsinger
30-04-2009, 18:18
it's all about perception, one person may find it perfectly acceptable, another might be mortally offended. A friend of mine once asked a black friend if something was racist, their reply..."if you feel you have to ask, then it probably is"

Thebanginman
30-04-2009, 18:23
Lenny Hendry was in the black and white minstrels and I believe he had to black up for conformity...does that make him Racist?

koenigsinger
30-04-2009, 18:27
no, it makes him a bloke who got offered a break in 'showbiz' , I'm sure he has no regrets about doing it, a break is a break, whether he liked it, or himself for doing it, that's for him to know and us to wonder

Thebanginman
30-04-2009, 18:32
no, it makes him a bloke who got offered a break in 'showbiz' , I'm sure he has no regrets about doing it, a break is a break, whether he liked it, or himself for doing it, that's for him to know and us to wonder
i doubt very much if any black was ever offended by the Black and White minstrel show,it was one of the early victims of PC

shims
30-04-2009, 18:33
Lenny Hendry was in the black and white minstrels and I believe he had to black up for conformity...does that make him Racist?
Lenny Henry used to tell some rather dubious jokes at the beginning of his career but it was probably the only way he could get a foot onto the comedy ladder back in 1970's England. Thankfully things have changed.

Thebanginman
30-04-2009, 18:43
Lenny Henry used to tell some rather dubious jokes at the beginning of his career but it was probably the only way he could get a foot onto the comedy ladder back in 1970's England. Thankfully things have changed.
Jokes are Jokes nothing more why get offended at jokes.If a black comedian came on and told a Essex girls joke,blond white and dumb,if it were funny I would laugh at it ,I wouldnt start ranting on about it being racist because it emanated from a black comedian

ohmyword
30-04-2009, 18:55
I formed a side project band last year. Originally we were going to do p*** take rap songs all blacked up wearing bling. It was gonna be in good humour and not racialist in any way. But I got scared after a few of my friends said it was a really bad idea. Personally, I see no problem with it. I despise racism and the BNP and people like that, but I did get upset that I was too scared to put on a thouroughly fun show. Same situation for your fancy dress man.

jaisavteo
30-04-2009, 20:26
Maybe she told everyone you're racist because you refer to people of mixed race as 'half cast' (and it's caste by the way - why are racists always bad at spelling?)

My thought exactly which non racist person still calls people half caste!!!!

Crayfish
30-04-2009, 20:35
I didn't even know that was offensive until I thought about what it means just now.

So what is the PC term... mixed race?

shims
30-04-2009, 20:41
Jokes are Jokes nothing more why get offended at jokes.
That's like saying books are books. Jokes, like books are written by people and people can have agendas. If a BNP member concocted a nasty joke to amuse his racial buddies it doesn't mean that the greater public would find it amusing or acceptable. Most people can laugh at themselves but will know when a line has been crossed.

I formed a side project band last year. Originally we were going to do p*** take rap songs all blacked up wearing bling.
Didn't Goldie Looking Chain do something like that only without the blackface?

Black Hip Hop artists have mocked materialistic 'bling' culture too.

shims
30-04-2009, 20:42
I didn't even know that was offensive until I thought about what it means just now.

So what is the PC term... mixed race?

Probably bi-racial or of mixed heritage.

Crayfish
30-04-2009, 20:44
Probably bi-racial or of mixed heritage.

They're both silly. I'll avoid half-caste in the future though.

jaisavteo
30-04-2009, 20:52
Probably bi-racial or of mixed heritage.

Or even Multi Cultured, Mixed race also wouldn't cause anyone any offence, Most of my mixed race friends say they prefer to be called Black!

rf2690
01-05-2009, 07:21
That should be 'are there' and should include a question mark as it's a question (i wont even get into the misplaced comma or the lack of capitalisation). I agree with the sentiment though.
Sloppiness on my part, i stand corrected MR CHIPS or is that MISS CHIPS?:hihi:.Must try harder.

auto98uk
01-05-2009, 10:08
it's all about perception, one person may find it perfectly acceptable, another might be mortally offended. A friend of mine once asked a black friend if something was racist, their reply..."if you feel you have to ask, then it probably is"

Why did he feel the need to ask the black bloke if something was racist? Would that be.....racist :D

Solomon1
01-05-2009, 10:11
A friend of mine once asked a black friend if something was racist, their reply..."if you feel you have to ask, then it probably is"

nice one :)

rich_n_that
18-09-2009, 16:56
In a song I heard recently by Dr Dre he uses the "N" word 15 times. Yet when I use it at my son's football match I get asked to leave! Yet again it's one rule for the rich and famous and another for the rest of us.

daftlad
18-09-2009, 17:02
I would do it, but then again I dont give a xxxx what anyone else would think. Some people really need to lighten up and have a laugh

mortensubi
18-09-2009, 17:10
I would do it, but then again I dont give a xxxx what anyone else would think. Some people really need to lighten up and have a laughi think a lot of people go out of their way to look for summat to complain about

boyfriday
18-09-2009, 17:15
In a song I heard recently by Dr Dre he uses the "N" word 15 times. Yet when I use it at my son's football match I get asked to leave! Yet again it's one rule for the rich and famous and another for the rest of us.

LOL, I hope you dont think it's also appropriate to share your porn collection with your Mother.

Nodens
18-09-2009, 19:20
Some Left-wing loony is bound to raise objections about blacking up, they never miss an opportunity to bleat on about racism . Al Jolson was an early victim of their imposed doctrine :loopy:

Wildcat
18-09-2009, 19:51
Some Left-wing loony is bound to raise objections about blacking up, they never miss an opportunity to bleat on about racism . Al Jolson was an early victim of their imposed doctrine :loopy:

In what way?

He was in part responsible for bringing black musiciains like Cab Calloway to a wider audience. It was his involvement in the Korean War that brought his life to an end. I suspect the only racism he was aware of was anti-semitism against himself and from people that didn't like the fact he worked with and encouraged many black musicians.

anarchist
18-09-2009, 20:33
Might be seen as offensive by some. Why not go as a white pop star like john lennon or michael jackson.

I think you will find that Michael Jackson isn't white.


He is green.