Right

3 times in one week, twice in the space of 2 days, and twice there was armed response, and once with about 5 guns aimed at my head and an angry dog looking to bite the **** out of me.

What the hell is happening, I got stopped on the weekend driving going about my business, I saw a copper trailing me, so I just carried on as normal, next thing you know theres cop cars coming out of nowhere surrounding me telling me to put my hands where they can see them and step out the the car slowly. Once out the car they told me to put my hands on the bonnet and spread em hollywood style, saying that any sudden movements and the dog will go for me. Guns still pointed at my head. I got searched and the car got searched. They took everything out, didnt put anything back where they found it, and almost bust my CD player by pulling off the buttons 'just incase I was hiding any weed'.

After all that the only thing they said was "you look like a known criminal who drives a similar Subaru". What a load of bull. And at the end they said "ok thanks". Thanks for bloody what, takes the P. Now im used to getting stopped all the time, but this really took the P. Can I complain about this and if so how and will anything actually come of it? (I doubt it but still).

Its not nice having a load of pedestrians staring at you like youve done something wrong.

This was in Sheffield City Centre btw

Sell your Impreza and get something less on top like an Audi. My friends get pulled constantly in their scoobies.

But yeh man that sucks having been pulled over so often, I feel for you. The Police should have known you weren't that guy by your registration details.

Of course you can complian. Make sure you take it to the Chief Superintendant of SY Police.

The Police have rights to stop anybody and obviously got the wrong guy, although my feelings in this situation is that a big apology is due.

I've been stopped twice in 11 years and both times they'd done there checks on me before they've pulled me up. If you have history which i guess you haven't i cant see why they are doing it. This needs to be the focus of your complaint.

But unfortunatly the big Impreza doesn't help, it's just one of those facts.

Should you decide to make an official complaint, address the letter to the

Chief Constable
South Yorkshire Police
Police Headquarters
Snig Hill
Sheffield
S3 8LY

Also send a copy of your letter, and request an urgent response to

The Chairman
SOUTH YORKSHIRE POLICE AUTHORITY
18 REGENT STREET
BARNSLEY S70 2PQ

You can also phone them on
Tel: 01226 772 801

Let us know how things work out for you.

Yeah that's shocking.
Make a complaint Spyro.

thats ridiculous, i really would complain about it but dont rant in your complaint mark it all down nice and civilised and they will take note. fai enough stoping you but searching you with guns aimed is just taking the biscuit. we all know how trigger happy the police are gettin these days

Originally posted by savbaby
thats ridiculous, i really would complain about it but dont rant in your complaint mark it all down nice and civilised and they will take note. fai enough stoping you but searching you with guns aimed is just taking the biscuit. we all know how trigger happy the police are gettin these days


?????????? do we? Please explain with evidence.

I made an official complaint once to Derbyshire Police about 10 years ago after being pulled over near Hope by the most bigoted idiot of a Policeman I have ever had the displeasure to meet. He made it very clear in no uncertain terms I was stopped for "looking suspiciously like a comnunist with long hair", which is NOT a valid reason to stop a car to the best of my knowledge. He also kept calling me a "commie" for having long hair (what a dated concept), and asked me all kinds of political (irrelevant) questions about my views, and then started making offensive and sarcastic jokes about hippies, free love, Glastonbury, Woodstock, long haired layabouts, etc. The guy was a real space cadet!!!!

He failed to find any fault with my car after spending 20 minutes closely going through every nut and boltand just as I was epecting him to smash the tail lights so he could write me a ticket, he told me to get back in the car and "******* off back to Sheffield". I never received a reply from the Derbyshire Police......what a *******. I reported him and got his officer badge number etc, but no reply....ever....perhaps they were too emabarassed to look into it.

Originally posted by savbaby
thats ridiculous, i really would complain about it but dont rant in your complaint mark it all down nice and civilised and they will take note. fai enough stoping you but searching you with guns aimed is just taking the biscuit. we all know how trigger happy the police are gettin these days

But unfortunatly, the police have been forced to become trigger happy, 90% of the population are ordanary people who wouldent walk withing 500 yards of a loaded weapon, but more and more criminals are carrying guns.

Sorry about you getting stopped mate. I'd put a complaint in, but chances are they were looking for someone else, and you seemed to fit the bill, i've been arrested for armed robbery when someone robbed our local video store when i lived in Doncaster, but they explained after they realised it wasnt me, was the the decription of they guy was very similar to how i was dressed that day. Its just unfortunate sometimes. But twice in a week is a little bit much.

Sell your flash car and buy a lada, that should solve your problems :P

Joel

Why does this thread remind me of Rowan Atkinson in not the 9 o clock news ...

Why did you arrest him?

Because he had big lips ....

Originally posted by savbaby
thats ridiculous, i really would complain about it but dont rant in your complaint mark it all down nice and civilised and they will take note. fai enough stoping you but searching you with guns aimed is just taking the biscuit. we all know how trigger happy the police are gettin these days

I think they have reason to be ---> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/4649673.stm

Originally posted by MobileB
Why does this thread remind me of Rowan Atkinson in not the 9 o clock news ...

Why did you arrest him?

Because he had big lips ....

"And was in possession of an offensive wife"....

Awesome sketch.

I think them 'just getting the wrong guy', could have been prevented, since now the police in sheffield have scanning devices in their cars that automatically check the details of a car from the reg plate. Apparantly according to SYP, they can check 1m plates a day.

I think with all this technology behind them, they goofed big time and you should take it all the way. Its not a simple stop and search is it.... its pretty humiliating aswell.

After all that the only thing they said was "you look like a known criminal who drives a similar Subaru". .....

LOL... you should have said " thats okay officer, mistakes are easily made you look like something I had this morning for breakfast....!" ;)

Originally posted by ADC_28
"And was in possession of an offensive wife"....

Awesome sketch.

"and walking in a built up area in a loud shirt..."


"There's only one thing we can do with an officer like you jones..."

"We're transferring you to the SPG!"

lol
yeah, ace sketch!

PT

youve been a very norty boy :P


you sure your not that red subaru buzzing about in that other thread? :)

If you are the red subaru from the other thread, be careful coz crunchie wants you!

:heyhey: :heyhey:

A friend of mine use to get pulled in this way. He was eventually told "its because your cars been cloned" in other words some one got your plates on a stolen car.

Once pulled over for a VERY valid reason in the 70's, was driving a Triumph Spifire and the PC "always liked the look of them".
Honest.

Originally posted by Joelc


Sell your flash car and buy a lada, that should solve your problems :P

Joel

Oh no it won't! Umpty tumpty years ago we borrowed a lada for a few weeks while between cars. We got pulled no less than eight times. Although I suppose the sight of a young couple in a lada was a bit suss.....

What are your suspicions of why the police are stopping you?

Originally posted by spartacus
What are your suspicions of why the police are stopping you?

I havent got any suspicions. Should I?

i once got stopped and the copper was such a w****r that he got a gadget out of his car that actually measured the tyre pressure, after measuring the tyre pressure he turned round and said 'do you know this is an illegal tyre and i can give you 3 points for it', all because there was a bit too much air in the tyre, ego trip or what!

Guns, didnt know police carried them willy nilly and whipped them out in the middle of town to search a car?? If this did happen they must have surveilance on you for them to be able to co-ordinate this traffic stop cos this sort of thing does not happen out of the blue. The dogs yeah but guns?????

I don't like the idea of police carrying guns but I suppose they have to these days. They're probably under government orders to make it look as if we're a society facing imminant attack from terrorism / illegal immigrants / not enough oily fish in our diets, that type of thing.
When my husband was younger he got pulled by the police allegedly seeking someone for a robbery, and apparantly he matched the description. The fact that he was in a car with his mates with their skateboards was nothing too them. Instead, he got flung in the back of a police van in front of a whole service station full of gawpers and interrogated for around three quarters of an hour. Then told 'on your way.' No apology, nothing.
He also got stopped once a week, every week, on the way back from my house after we'd been clubbing. It got so routine that he used to start brakeing at the layby where they parked.
As far as I can work out his crime was to be a young bloke. He still gets stopped a fair bit (obviously because, erm, he has longish hair...) but as he's now in his thirties its calming down.

Sheffette,

Bet you wished that you hadnt put the bit in about imminent terrorist attack now don't you because as you were typing your part of the thread, the bad boys were just fine tuning their explosives and probably doing dry runs for what they intended to do today.

Nobody can predict in this day and age what will happen the following day so I for one am glad that the boys in blue are out there stopping people who they feel need to be checked out.

Sometimes, mistakes are made and incidents where the police have acted wrongly are investigated thoroughly now by the new independent police complaints authority so if Spyro 2000 makes an official complaint, I am sure it will be looked into fully.
If the incident happened as he says then the police will no doubt have it logged as they will have had to have done if the armed cars and all the other units were involved in what sounds to be some sort of planned stop as has been suggested earlier in this thread.

They dont just stop your average joe driving down the road in that manner.

Unfortunately in the current day and age we live in times have now changed to such a tune that the Police have to respond to a greater number of armed incidents, so to enable them to do this quicker, there are a number of armed patrol vehicles now patrolling the streets of South Yorkshire.
I am sure you would want them to be avaliable to respond quickly if you were the victim of an armed crime be it in the workplace, street, home or anywhere else as oppose to them having to go back to the station to draw the firearms.

These officers may find themselves sometimes having to make very difficult decisions within seconds which could quite easily end up with someone getting shot and possibly not surviving the incident,unlike the poor unarmed traffic officer in West Yorkshire who got executed in the street on Boxing Day the other year by the American gunman called Beiber.

Thankfully I believe that within South Yorkshire throughout all the time that Police officers have carried firearms there has only ever been one discharged at an incident and that was a very long time ago, unlike some of our more violent cities such as Nottingham and London where the gun culture is very much alive and kicking and a lot worse than up here in Sheffield.

As for Spyro 2000 who got stopped by what sounds to be the Full Monty of the South Yorkshire might, then it all sounds a bit much for a simple traffic stop and I am sure all would become clearer should the complaint be made as I am sure the officers concerned as has been suggested earlier would have been working to some sort of method when the vehicle was stopped as oppose to a simple case of pulling a car over.

Maybe it was a case of mistaken identity, but good luck with the complaint and I hope Spyro will find out the reasons for the stop.

One other thing Sheffette, when your husband used to get stopped when going home from clubbing, was it the same officers each time or different ones just doing their job, making sure the vehicle wasnt stolen or being used in crime or driven by someone who might have had one too many to drink, or being used to transport bad guys about the country like the ones that have been planning the London atrocities as these are things sometimes some people but not everybody get up to late at night.

Tazman

I think Spyro might have a slight case of the exagerations, although he has probably been pulled a couple of times, I doubt that he was stopped by an armada of officers and doubt very much that they armed response turned out on the third occassion you have been stopped in a relatively short period of time.

All the previous stop checks would have been logged and provided nothing un to ward was found they would have closed the job with a flag showing you were clean.

The only reason the armed response wopuld have stopped you is is you had either been spotted with a weapon in the car or you had threatened someone prior to your stop with assaulting them with a weapon.

What is the truth Spyro????

Originally posted by RazorSHarp
I think Spyro might have a slight case of the exagerations, although he has probably been pulled a couple of times, I doubt that he was stopped by an armada of officers and doubt very much that they armed response turned out on the third occassion you have been stopped in a relatively short period of time.

All the previous stop checks would have been logged and provided nothing un to ward was found they would have closed the job with a flag showing you were clean.

The only reason the armed response wopuld have stopped you is is you had either been spotted with a weapon in the car or you had threatened someone prior to your stop with assaulting them with a weapon.

What is the truth Spyro????

It is the truth, I dont have any need to lie. The 1st time I got stopped no one took any details, the second time was just a producer, and the 3rd time was when I had the guns pointed at me, the day after I had already been stopped.

And yes I would have thought that they would have put something on record too, which makes it even worse that they stopped me. In fact Im going down there today to produce my documents.

As for a weapon, yes I do have a weapon in my car. This was found twice by police, but they cant do anything about it as they cant prove its a weapon. Ive got a Baseball bat in my car, but Ive also got a baseball, tennis raquets and tennis balls in my car.

A weapon is generally refered to by the use it is intended, ie for baseball or bashing someone round the head!!!

If you do have a baseball bat in the car for other purposes than baseball then you want your head looking at.

I still think you're slightly mendacious in your account of the events and also have a problem with authority figures, because if the Police did stop you without creating a log or checking your car registration, then under PACE (the police and criminal evidence act) they have commited an offence and you should complain to the Police compliants commision, they take these allegations very seriously. I believe however that as your stories are somewhat ficticious, you will not report the incidents.

Try to remember that the first time you or a member of your family are in physical peril, danger, being robbed or had your precious car stolen, these ******** that you refer to will be the first people you call (food for thought maybe!!!!!)

Originally posted by RazorSHarp


I still think you're slightly mendacious in your account of the events and also have a problem with authority figures, because if the Police did stop you without creating a log or checking your car registration, then under PACE (the police and criminal evidence act) they have commited an offence and you should complain to the Police compliants commision, they take these allegations very seriously. I believe however that as your stories are somewhat ficticious, you will not report the incidents.

Believe what you want to believe. I know its a fact as I was there, and As other people have said I should make a complaint, and will be doing so. I dont have a problem with authority, I just dont like being over harassed. I normally get stopped quite a lot which doesnt normally bother me, Its just that this was a bit different, and Im not used to this tyoe of thing, and I dont know why it happened. But saying that, What is a complaint actually going to do? Is anything even going to come of it, apart from maybe some sort of printed complaint letter that everybody who complains probably gets, with only the name at the top and the address being different.

Originally posted by RazorSHarp
A weapon is generally refered to by the use it is intended, ie for baseball or bashing someone round the head!!!

If you do have a baseball bat in the car for other purposes than baseball then you want your head looking at.

I still think you're slightly mendacious in your account of the events and also have a problem with authority figures, because if the Police did stop you without creating a log or checking your car registration, then under PACE (the police and criminal evidence act) they have commited an offence and you should complain to the Police compliants commision, they take these allegations very seriously. I believe however that as your stories are somewhat ficticious, you will not report the incidents.

Try to remember that the first time you or a member of your family are in physical peril, danger, being robbed or had your precious car stolen, these ******** that you refer to will be the first people you call (food for thought maybe!!!!!)

do you have any grounds for calling spyro a liar, or are you just trying to cause an argument?

Originally posted by spyro2000
Believe what yuo want to believe. I know its a fact as I was there, and As other people have said I should make a complaint, and will be doing so. I dont have a problem with authority, I just dont like being over harassed. I normally get stopped quite a lot which doesnt normally bother me, Its just that this was a bit different, and Im not used to this tyoe of thing, and I dont know why it happened. But saying thast, What is a complaint actually going to do? Is anything even going to come of it, apart from maybe some sort of printed complaint letter that everybody who complains probably gets, with only the name at the top and the address being different.

I made a complaint about a officer being uneccesarily rude and threatening, it was followed up, and although I didn't want to take it any further the investigating officer agreed to speak to her and advise her on how she should interact with the public.
As your complaint is more serious I doubt that it would be ignored or not taken seriously.

Originally posted by ADC_28
"And was in possession of an offensive wife"....

Awesome sketch.

"wearing a loud shirt in a built up area" lol

Originally posted by Cyclone
do you have any grounds for calling spyro a liar, or are you just trying to cause an argument?

I think his exagerations and other evidence in his threads prove he is not being 100% accurate in his accounts of what did actually happen, I never saiod he didn't get stopped!!!!.

If he is telling the truth he will complain and stop worrying about how it will be ignored if he does spend time writing in to the commission. They are independant and take all written comaplints very seriously.

I am not creating an argument here I am debating that facts are maybe a little ellaborate!!

Originally posted by RazorSHarp
I think his exagerations and other evidence in his threads prove he is not being 100% accurate in his accounts of what did actually happen, I never saiod he didn't get stopped!!!!.

If he is telling the truth he will complain and stop worrying about how it will be ignored if he does spend time writing in to the commission. They are independant and take all written comaplints very seriously.

I am not creating an argument here I am debating that facts are maybe a little ellaborate!!

you are accusing him of making things up, aka lying. Unless you have some reason to suggest that he is exaggerating, then why not take him at his word.
He's used this forum for a long time, and i've never had any reason to suspect him of exaggeration or lying, whereas you've got 16 posts and thus have no reputation except the one you are currently building.

Originally posted by Cyclone
you are accusing him of making things up, aka lying. Unless you have some reason to suggest that he is exaggerating, then why not take him at his word.
He's used this forum for a long time, and i've never had any reason to suspect him of exaggeration or lying, whereas you've got 16 posts and thus have no reputation except the one you are currently building.

OK I will take him at his word.. I'm sure that is what he wants the rest of you to do.. I would also therefore reccomend that he has been caused unnecassary stress and intimmidation at the hands of South Yorkshire Police, and by the sounds of it quite a few officers are involved. He should raise these issues with not only the Commission but I would also suggest writing to both his local station inspector and the traffic department the ARV (or was this multiple??) came from giving the names of the officers involved, ( at least one collar number will appear on the HORT1 he was given).

Must be the unluckiest motorist in Sheffield!!!

I wiil have to take Spyro at his word but from what I know of how things work within that organisation, there must have been something more out of the ordinary for him to be stopped by possibly 2 ARVs as they usually work in pairs.

Im not saying either that he didnt get stopped but it could have been a case of mistaken identity in relation to a vehicle invovled in another incident.
Witnesses sometimes make mistakes and they may have given the wrong registartion mark or vehicle description.

The only way Spyro would find out would be to follow up the complaint angle and find out what was the real cause of the stop.


Tazman.

Well Ive been down to West Bar to produce my documents. Im not lying, Ive got no reason to lie, it happened exactly as I told it. I didnt get any sort of producer on the 3rd stop (which was the worst one), so I dont have any names, but anwyay...

I wish I had brought a recorder with me as the conversation went a little something like this after I had produced.......

Me: How do I go about making a complaint?
Him: About what?
Me: (Explained what happened)
Him: Theres nothing you can do
Me: Whys that tnen
Him: They dont need a reason nowadays
Me: You sure about that?
Him: Yes, it seems like they just like Imrpezas hahaha
Me: It aint funny
Him: Ive seen a lot of people come in here with a lot worse stories, maybe they just like the look of you lol
Me: Oh right, BYE.

I will be writing in with a complaint, and will scan my reply letter on to here for those of you who accused me of lying.

just thought I'd add in the last part of the Constable Savage sketch


O: Savage, would I be correct in assuming that Mr Cudoogo is a coloured gentleman?

S: Well, I can’t say I’ve ever noticed, sir.

O: (absolutely furious) Savage, you’re a bigot. It’s officers like you that give the police a bad name. The press love to jump on instances like that and the reputation of our force can be permanently tarnished. Your whole time on duty is dominated by racial hatred and petty personal vendettas . Do you get some kind of perverted gratification from going around stirring up trouble?

S: Yes, sir!

O: There’s no room for men like you in my force, Savage. I’m transferring you to the SPG.

If you had been stopped by the ARV's you would definatley have been given at least a producer... As I said before if they search your vehicle at any stop check they are required to give you a PACE document PACE1 is for a persons search and PACE2 for a vehicle check (I'm sure its that way round but if I'm wrong I'm sure someone will correct me)

The previous HORT1 you recieved does not excempt yoou from recieveing another from another officer......It's like getting caught for speeding onthe same road on two seperate occasions, you'll get tickets for both...

Come on own up!!!!!

Originally posted by RazorSHarp
If you had been stopped by the ARV's you would definatley have been given at least a producer... As I said before if they search your vehicle at any stop check they are required to give you a PACE document PACE1 is for a persons search and PACE2 for a vehicle check (I'm sure its that way round but if I'm wrong I'm sure someone will correct me)

The previous HORT1 you recieved does not excempt yoou from recieveing another from another officer......It's like getting caught for speeding onthe same road on two seperate occasions, you'll get tickets for both...

Come on own up!!!!!

Exactly, which Is another reason for me to complain, as I was not given ANYTHING whatsoever, they just went on their way like nothing had happened. I was sat in the back of a plain officers car at the end when the situation had calmed down, and they didnt say anything about giving me any documents.

p.s. have you got a link to a site that tells me what I should be given, so that I can write that in my letter also. Im not 'up on the law' really, so I dont know much about my rights.

Originally posted by spyro2000
Exactly, which Is another reason for me to complain, as I was not given ANYTHING whatsoever, they just went on their way like nothing had happened. I was sat in the back of a plain officers car at the end when the situation had calmed down, and they didnt say anything about giving me any documents.

p.s. have you got a link to a site that tells me what I should be given, so that I can write that in my letter also. Im not 'up on the law' really, so I dont know much about my rights.

Without any collar numbers or Officers names your pretty much knackered.... I would seek legal advice if this is true and get a solicitor involved...they will be able to get details of the incident from the police computer as it logs all ongoing incidents in a chronological order, so if you can remember the time and date the solicitor should be able to request a log of your incident, even if it is only one officer requesting a PNC check on your vehicle he should have entered it into his book

which bank did you rob.... :hihi:


Originally posted by spyro2000
Believe what you want to believe. I know its a fact as I was there, and As other people have said I should make a complaint, and will be doing so. I dont have a problem with authority, I just dont like being over harassed. I normally get stopped quite a lot which doesnt normally bother me, Its just that this was a bit different, and Im not used to this tyoe of thing, and I dont know why it happened. But saying that, What is a complaint actually going to do? Is anything even going to come of it, apart from maybe some sort of printed complaint letter that everybody who complains probably gets, with only the name at the top and the address being different.

Originally posted by BertieBasset
which bank did you rob.... :hihi:

Now that would be telling ;)

Wasn't the offence of thick lips aggravated by having curly hair?

I seem to recall that Winston Kodogo had also been seen walking on the cracks in the pavement.

Who did the hedgehog belong to?

Razorsharp, you seem to have a rather rose-tinted view of our boys in blue. You may be correct in your assertions about the documents they SHOULD have issued, but what makes you think they always follow procedure? Particularly in a situation where doing so would cause the officers in question some embarrassment (wrong bloke gets guns pointed at him!).

On a sidenote...many of the 'coppers' in Edinburgh over the last few days wore no numbers. When questioned (in a friendly manner) about this the reply was 'i'm not a police officer but I work for them'. The reply to the follow up question (which was 'isn't it an offence to impersonate a police officer?') was rather less friendly...!

im not being funny sypro but you do look a little bit dodge dont you? if i was in the police i would stop you! sorry :suspect:

Originally posted by janny
im not being funny sypro but you do look a little bit dodge dont you? if i was in the police i would stop you! sorry :suspect:

Lol well I dont normally go round in dark sunglasses and cap to my side, thats just me messing about

oh right lol. i was going to say take the glasses off and turn your cap to the front lol and things may be a whole lot better. well good luck with the complaint :thumbsup:

Originally posted by RichF
Razorsharp, you seem to have a rather rose-tinted view of our boys in blue. You may be correct in your assertions about the documents they SHOULD have issued, but what makes you think they always follow procedure? Particularly in a situation where doing so would cause the officers in question some embarrassment (wrong bloke gets guns pointed at him!).


The sad thing is pal, that we are all far to ready to point the finger of blame at the Police every time we fall foul of the law. I'm sure that the vast majority of people that abide by the laws of the road, and many others, have had very little dealings with the police.

Our unfortunate driving friend who has been stopped more times than most people get stopped in a lifetime, and I'm sure is as innocent as driven snow, always manage to find fault with the very people we pay to uphold our views and beliefs.

In light of the attrocities that took place in the capital last week, doesn't moaning about a little stop by the Police look like a big incident??????

Sell your Impreza and get something less on top like an Audi. My friends get pulled constantly in their scoobies.

My papa drives a Scooby WRX and never gets pulled over :o

If the police stop and search you, they must, under the Police and Criminal Evidence Act, have grounds to do that. If they intend to search you they must give you their name, number, the station to which they're attached, and the reasons why they want to search you.

They can detain you for the purpose of searching you, and if necessary take you to a police station to do the search. They will take your details, your name, your address. You're not obliged to give your name and address, even after you've been searched, but I would suggest that if you've got nothing to hide it's useful and co-operative just to give your name and address. A detailed copy is made of that and you are entitled to a copy of that search record. If you refuse to be searched then you can be forcibly taken to a police station.

The police officer must give a reason for searching you, for instance you match the description of a suspect in a recent offence. They can't go on a "fishing trip" lol.

ARV's do routinely conduct traffic enforcement and assist with persuits and stops if they're available. I've seen armed officers at bog-standard assaults where there wasn't a sniff of weapons.