The BBC as recieved "around 400" complaints about the bad language used before the watershed at Live 8 on Saturday.
Personally I think the BBC should be brought to book on this matter.
Live 8 organisers should've known better putting Snoop Dogg on that early,but Madonna has no excuse.
Surely a 10 second delay on the broadcast couldve stopped this from happening.My children were watching this because it was an event that everyone should have seen.
Standards are slipping,and the BBC should know better.

Originally posted by uncleheed
The BBC as recieved "around 400" complaints about the bad language used before the watershed at Live 8 on Saturday.
Personally I think the BBC should be brought to book on this matter.
Live 8 organisers should've known better putting Snoop Dogg on that early,but Madonna has no excuse.
Surely a 10 second delay on the broadcast couldve stopped this from happening.My children were watching this because it was an event that everyone should have seen.
Standards are slipping,and the BBC should know better.

If your kids are like any young child I've ever met, they will be swearing with their friends in the playground, regardless of whether or not some celebrity swears on TV.

I certainly swore when I was an infant, and it never did me any harm.

Mind you, they've not found the bodies yet....

Madonna still thinks swearing is a bit naughty/cool, so she always does it when the cameras are on her. She doesn't realise she's too old to get away with that kind of thing now, it's like your mum swearing, embarassing.

Quick, how do you edit a post?!

:o

I actually think this is a load of fuss about nothing. I think it's great that you care enough about your kids to stop them listening to bad language, but sadly in today's society I'm sure they've been exposed to it at some point - perhaps even at school from some of the more ill-mannered kids!!!

A 10 second delay would have meant that Live8 wasn't really live - which was the whole point of the exercise.

Viewers were watching history in the making - and sometimes history can't be censored. It's really only like them watching the news.

And children are exposed to so much violence today, in the form of video games, fighting toys, unruley classmates ect. ect. that I think Madonna slipping up on a mass demo against world poverty and using the 'F' word is just a drop in the ocean.

I think people make too much of a deal about it. So what, they swore! I was more offended by how Dido sung!

Also Uncleheed, I've just noticed that the cartoon character below your user ID is brandishing two pistols in a very disturbing fashion.

He looks like he's about to pump lead into some poor innocent little rabbit!

Perhaps we're taking political correctness and censorship a bit too far eh?

I know my kids have heard it,no-one is naive enough to think they havent,I just think swearing for swearings sake,like Madonna did,is just unacceptable.I have had numerous arguments with people on buses,and in the streets when they just swear for no reason.If my kids are there,I ask them to stop.

Originally posted by JBee
Also Uncleheed, I've just noticed that the cartoon character below your user ID is brandishing two pistols in a very disturbing fashion.

He looks like he's about to pump lead into some poor innocent little rabbit!

Perhaps we're taking political correctness and censorship a bit too far eh?

You never laughed at Tom and Jerry then?

There is a difference between cartoons and someone being offensive on live TV

Originally posted by uncleheed
You never laughed at Tom and Jerry then?

There is a difference between cartoons and someone being offensive on live TV

I disagree.

I was brought up watching a mouse find various ways to injure a cat, mainly using Acme bombs and other toruture products, as a form of television entertainment. This programme was called Tom and Jerry, and it was pretty violent, but I turned out okay.

Therefore, I'm sure your kids will cope with hearing the dreaded 'F' word from a pop singer.

As I said before, I applaud the fact that your trying to teach them not to swear. It's a disgusting habit, and is especially tacky and rude when children do it.

But the point I was trying to make is that I think as a society we're taking complaining and political correctness too far. You could censor pretty much anything if you tried hard enough. Especially that violent bunch of Disney characters!

Originally posted by JBee
Especially that violent bunch of Disney characters!

Warner Bros aren't they?!

;)

I think Snoop's allocated time slot showed a lack of judgement on the organisers behalf.

"Hmmmmmmm, When shall we put on the bloke who uses the word motherf***** as punctuation?"

"About 4 ish?"

"Yeah, be reet!"

Not the most sensible move in the history of scheduling.

This has nothing to do with political correctness,and everything to do with moral standards.I agree thaty political correctness has spiralled out of control,but someone effing for the sake of it is not on.
Also,if you watch Jonathan Ross' LATE NIGHT chat show and someone effs,it gets bleeped out.But you can swear at 5pm and get it broadcast.

I was furious when I first heard them use the fu*king word on my TV.


How dare they swear in MY living room ?


Then I thiought, why should I get so worked up over a damn word? I've got more important things to concern myself with.

using the F word is nothing compared to the millions of people dying in africa, if it helped drive the message home and got people talking about it then why not!!

So someone effing is going to solve Africas problems is it?

I have to agree with uncleheed, as, yes you guessed it, I was watching with my kids too...

...and a 10 second delay wouldn't stop it being "live", there's probably that much delay in the broadcast system anyway (try flicking between "sky" and terrestrial, you'll see what I mean), so another 10 sec's wouldn't be any great shakes.


I was particularly amused when they asked Madonna (just after she'd been on stage) if her kids were at the show, and she replied "No way, not with all these people f-ing swearing !" (OK she didn't really ;) ).

:)

Originally posted by foo_fighter
I have to agree with uncleheed, as, yes you guessed it, I was watching with my kids too...

...and a 10 second delay wouldn't stop it being "live", there's probably that much delay in the broadcast system anyway (try flicking between "sky" and terrestrial, you'll see what I mean), so another 10 sec's wouldn't be any great shakes.


I was particularly amused when they asked Madonna (just after she'd been on stage) if her kids were at the show, and she replied "No way, not with all these people f-ing swearing !" (OK she didn't really ;) ).

:)

But if she knew she was going to swear,she wouldnt let her kids watch would she?

no,, but can you remember the last one when geldoff was the first person to say it on live tv?? that caused a stir.

but todays society is more tolerant of swearing and kids nowdays arn't daft- by an early age they will have heard mose swear words and although they don't say them infront of you - you can bet your bottom dollar that they use it when they are out with there mates.

Relax- its no biggie!!!

So when your kids say,hello dad,how the f**k are you,you wont find it no biggie?

Personally I'd say "use that language again and you're in for another long spell in the 'special room' my son".

It was live, swearing often happens. Even good little Tiger Timmy let loose with a few expletives at Wimbledon this year. it is unfortunate, and maybe they should have had a delay on the broadcast as they do on radio shows.

perhaps it would have been better not to have staged it at all.

Originally posted by willman
perhaps it would have been better not to have staged it at all.

"Better" in what way? For whom?

better for me 'cos it interrupted my weekend matinee film show.
and until they prove different the only people to benefit are the pop groups who performed,the ticket touts who managed to sell their freebies & the people flogging drinks etc at the venue.
some people are just so naive & gullible to think any different.
i fully supported the original live aid which was going to make life so much better & help people get themselves better with supplies & not just food aid & look what's happened they now expect my children to get their hands in their pockets.

Who gives a ****ing toss?

i thought snoop dogs performance was a breath of fresh air!!! come on, i would a thought if u didnt want any1 hearing it, dont let them listen!! madonna jus got carried away, many other things could have gone wrong but they didnt, in some peoples eyes this is major, one of the best performances of the day, made me stay and watch!

So, in conclusion willman: you didn't win a ticket?

I think Snoop Dogg should have been on later.That was an error by the organisors.Madonna,as I have said,should have known better.She doeshave 2 children of her own,and I bet she wouldnt expose them to that.

As for Velvet Revolver,they should never have been on anyway.

Originally posted by scottf
no,, but can you remember the last one when geldoff was the first person to say it on live tv?? that caused a stir.


I thought it was Jools Holland on "The Tube" who holds that dubious honour?

StarSparkle

omg! what is happening to everybody these days. soon everybodys kids will be walking around in bubblewrap. It is stupid. the bigger the deal people make about it the more the words are used. If people let the swearing thing drop it will come the thing of the past. I thought wearing goggles to play conkers was bad. Unless you are swearing at someone, I can't see whats up with it. But i'm not incouraging swearing 24/7.

Originally posted by StarSparkle
I thought it was Jools Holland on "The Tube" who holds that dubious honour?

StarSparkle
Almost right StarSparkle.

1965
Appearing on a late night live satire programme called BBC3, Kenneth Tynan becomes the first man to say “F#ck” on TV. A national fit of apoplexy follows with one Tory MP suggesting that Tynan should hang!

1976
The moral majority get into a proper old lather after Steve Jones of the Sex Pistols appears on live TV and calls presenter Bill Grundy “A f#cking rotter”.

1983
Jools Holland lets slip with the phrase “Groovy f#ckers” on a live broadcast of The Tube and is suspended for six weeks.

It wasn't acceptable on Live Aid back in 85. If it is deemed acceptable now, what will be tolerated in another 30 years time? A stand has to be made.

Originally posted by Bloomdido
It wasn't acceptable on Live Aid back in 85. If it is deemed acceptable now, what will be tolerated in another 30 years time? A stand has to be made.

Hopefully the live execution of everyone who shouldnt be there....think Dido, Elton & Pete Docherty, Miss Dy-na-might-tee-hee etc etc...

Originally posted by msnutty
omg! what is happening to everybody these days. soon everybodys kids will be walking around in bubblewrap. It is stupid...
It's not about bubble-wrap, it's about "the watershed", and if it's going to mean anything an organisation such as the BBC really should respect it.

Ah, I've gone and said it respect (or the lack of it) is probably what we're really discussing anyway.

After all, we're not talking about the odd "slip" here, but consistent use of expletives "for effect".

By all means we definitely should have acts like Snoop Dog appearing, but as has been said, later might have been a good idea. Madonna could have just been bleeped out, along with any other "bloopers".

Sorry uncleheed but Velvet Revolver should definitely have been on the bill (and for longer).

:headbang:

Originally posted by StarSparkle
I thought it was Jools Holland on "The Tube" who holds that dubious honour?

StarSparkle


And there's me thinking it was Steve Jones of the Sex Pistols waaayyyyyy back in 76 on a local London TV show;).



Originally posted by uncleheed
So someone effing is going to solve Africas problems is it?


Nope.

But someone has to effing try;).




Originally posted by drolnhoj
1965
Appearing on a late night live satire programme called BBC3, Kenneth Tynan becomes the first man to say “F#ck” on TV. A national fit of apoplexy follows with one Tory MP suggesting that Tynan should hang!


Didn't know about this one:thumbsup:;).

Originally posted by drolnhoj
Almost right StarSparkle.

1965
Appearing on a late night live satire programme called BBC3, Kenneth Tynan becomes the first man to say “F#ck” on TV. A national fit of apoplexy follows with one Tory MP suggesting that Tynan should hang!

1976
The moral majority get into a proper old lather after Steve Jones of the Sex Pistols appears on live TV and calls presenter Bill Grundy “A f#cking rotter”.

1983
Jools Holland lets slip with the phrase “Groovy f#ckers” on a live broadcast of The Tube and is suspended for six weeks.

I thought about mentioning the Sex Pistols example, Drolnhoj, but rejected it on the grounds that it wasn't on live national television.

However, you are quite right re Kenneth Tynan - I'd forgotten about him, shame on me!

StarSparkle

Yup, contrary to popular belief London isn't national TV.

:)

With regard to the subject of the thread - the BBC should have put the whole thing through a 10 second delay. That sort of language isn't big and isn't clever and doesn't help matters.

I turn off when someone starts the effing and blinding - if you can't get a message over without that sort of language then perhaps you're not really in the communications business!

It shows that loutish language is tolerated by the powers that be - the same powers that be who are contantly going on about yobbish behaviour. Well, if you can't show respect for people by toning down your language, how can you show respect for people in other aspects of your behaviour?

Joe

I quite agree with Uncleheed. I've just been having a discussion about this and related issues with a friend of mine who is very concerned by the general decline in standards over the past 10 years or so. I dont think it's just a case of swearing or using the dreaded "F" word inappropriately either.

ok so that kind of language is not something children should be exposed to and we generally do expect more of the bbc, but its life. people say it. kids will hear it from someone, somewhere sooner or later.

besides with snoop dog singing about guns and shooting and stealing etc or whatever it is he raps about why don't we complain about that as well ?

Originally posted by Lee1979
...besides with snoop dog singing about guns and shooting and stealing etc or whatever it is he raps about why don't we complain about that as well ?
If he'd had a later slot (as suggested on this thread) post water-shed, that would have covered all those bases too.

:thumbsup:

Originally posted by wendygs
I quite agree with Uncleheed. I've just been having a discussion about this and related issues with a friend of mine who is very concerned by the general decline in standards over the past 10 years or so. I dont think it's just a case of swearing or using the dreaded "F" word inappropriately either.

I was using the F and S words 18/19 years ago at the age of 5/6 - and on one particularly memorable occaision at an earlier age (the F word).

Standards may have declined on TV, but it hasn't led to an increase in our childrens vocabulary, it's as broad as it has been for the last 35 years, at least.

Society is simply becoming more tolerant, and those that are shocked by useage of the F word pre-watershed are, I'm affraid, in the minority nowadays.

However, if I heard the C word pre-watershed, that would make me sit up. I expect my opinion will have mellowed in some years time though....

N

Originally posted by sccsux
And there's me thinking it was Steve Jones of the Sex Pistols waaayyyyyy back in 76 on a local London TV show;).


:rolleyes:

The key word here is LOCAL ! As Joe says, London ain't national!

As a fan of the Sex Pistols during the mid-late 70s, I do actually remember Steve Jones' comments, thank you! :thumbsup:

StarSparkle

I have never said that my kids haven't been exposed to this type of language,and I would expect to be called a liar if I had said otherwise.(After all,I have been taking my 11 year old son to Hillsborough for 6 years.)But,I don't use it in their company,and I don't expect it to be broadcast on national TV before the watershed.
It's not being prudish,it's just trying to instill some moral values into the future generation.

Originally posted by foo_fighter
If he'd had a later slot (as suggested on this thread) post water-shed, that would have covered all those bases too.

:thumbsup:

exactly. but it wasn't so it didn't.

every week on the radio or top of the pops there some part of a song edited due to a swear word and yet when the kids buy the album or they listen to it at there friends it isn't edited then.

they sing about sex, guns, crime, drugs as well lets stop that before the water shed too.

(oh my god - when did i turn into my mother ?? :help: )

Originally posted by uncleheed
(After all,I have been taking my 11 year old son to Hillsborough for 6 years.)

It's not being prudish,it's just trying to instill some moral values into the future generation.

I'm sorry, but these two statements contradict themselves, to me at least.

If you don't want your child to be exposed to foul language, you shouldn't take them to the football where they can (and will) hear swearing for the duration of the match*.

I don't see how taking your child to the football is 'instilling moral values' in him.

*I understand the point that you weren't expecting foul language (pre-watershed) during Live8, but at the football you know you will hear it.

Football is a different environment to my home.
If you sit in the family enclosure,bad language is never used.If someone is in there and starts swearing,they are removed.
We go to the football for entertainment.
We watched Live 8,as a family,to be entertained,and to watch an event that would be remembered in history.
We did not expect to hear Madonna 'effing' at 6pm in the evening,just to be a rebel.

Originally posted by uncleheed
Football is a different environment to my home.
If you sit in the family enclosure,bad language is never used.If someone is in there and starts swearing,they are removed.
We go to the football for entertainment.
We watched Live 8,as a family,to be entertained,and to watch an event that would be remembered in history.
We did not expect to hear Madonna 'effing' at 6pm in the evening,just to be a rebel.

But you expect to here it at 3.00pm on a saturday afternoon and are still entertained?

Sorry, but I think there is no difference - context doesn't come into it for me.

I don't want to get in a big row about it though, so lets agree to disagree.

:thumbsup:

Originally posted by uncleheed
This has nothing to do with political correctness,and everything to do with moral standards.I agree thaty political correctness has spiralled out of control,but someone effing for the sake of it is not on.
Also,if you watch Jonathan Ross' LATE NIGHT chat show and someone effs,it gets bleeped out.But you can swear at 5pm and get it broadcast.


I agree with you. There's no way that 5pm on a Saturday evening, prime time family viewing, on BBC1 of all channels, that swearwords should be heard - especially the F word. Moral standards in society as a whole are slipping to the point where they're almost extinct, so it's not surprising really that something like this happens, but it is disappointing.

Originally posted by liencam
But you expect to here it at 3.00pm on a saturday afternoon and are still entertained?

Sorry, but I think there is no difference - context doesn't come into it for me.

I don't want to get in a big row about it though, so lets agree to disagree.

:thumbsup:

Of COURSE there's a difference. When you take a child to a football match you make that decision knowing full well that the child will be exposed to foul language. You can weigh up the pros and cons accordingly and decide whether or not they're old enough to go. In contrast, in a family home on a Saturday evening with BBC1 on the TV, there is no way a parent could foresee their child being exposed to foul language.

Originally posted by uncleheed
Football is a different environment to my home.
If you sit in the family enclosure,bad language is never used.If someone is in there and starts swearing,they are removed.
We go to the football for entertainment.
We watched Live 8,as a family,to be entertained,and to watch an event that would be remembered in history.
We did not expect to hear Madonna 'effing' at 6pm in the evening,just to be a rebel.

You know why it happened, don't you?

As the show was live, the BBC probably didn't have the "bleep" machine switched on - :D

What I was saying about the football is,where we sit,in the family enclosure,it is exactly that.Anyone who behaves in an inappropriate way,is removed from the area.

So yes,I am still entertained in an envrionment I am happy to take my son to.

Originally posted by t020
Of COURSE there's a difference. When you take a child to a football match you make that decision knowing full well that the child will be exposed to foul language. You can weigh up the pros and cons accordingly and decide whether or not they're old enough to go. In contrast, in a family home on a Saturday evening with BBC1 on the TV, there is no way a parent could foresee their child being exposed to foul language.

So it's okay for football fans to swear repeatedly in front of a young child, but not for Madonna to do so fleetingly?

Originally posted by liencam
So it's okay for football fans to swear repeatedly in front of a young child, but not for Madonna to do so fleetingly?

You're looking at it from the wrong angle. The BBC were broadcasting the concert to peoples' homes, pre-watershed, so the responsibility is ultimately with them and not Madonna. Parents wouldn't expect the BBC to allow the F word on a Saturday evening on BBC1, but they would expect to hear it at a football match and so could at least be prepared for it or choose not to take their children on that basis. Surely you can see the difference?

Originally posted by t020
You're looking at it from the wrong angle. The BBC were broadcasting the concert to peoples' homes, pre-watershed, so the responsibility is ultimately with them and not Madonna. Parents wouldn't expect the BBC to allow the F word on a Saturday evening on BBC1, but they would expect to hear it at a football match and so could at least be prepared for it or choose not to take their children on that basis. Surely you can see the difference?

I can, but can't believe a person who takes their child to a football match argues there is a difference.

It was someone who doesn't take their child to football matches it would make more sense to me.

t020 has got it spot on.

How many people would find it acceptable if,on next weeks lotto draw,the 'voice of the balls' went:-


The next f******g number is forty f*****g seven!

A little off topic, But I personally cannot wait until 20 years from now, when little Lourdes and Rocco write a tell all book about their mother.

If anyone has it coming, she does.

:) Sierra

Originally posted by uncleheed
t020 has got it spot on.

How many people would find it acceptable if,on next weeks lotto draw,the 'voice of the balls' went:-


The next f******g number is forty f*****g seven!

different territory again though.

'The voice of the balls' is not an artist, and is not expressing themself in the way an artist might.

Originally posted by liencam
'The voice of the balls' is not an artist, and is not expressing themself in the way an artist might.
Yeah, but you've got to admit it would be f*****g funny though. Almost worth paying a license fee for.

My father constantly complained about Live 8 - how dire the music was, and how noisy it was. Old people - ;)

Originally posted by DanSumption
Yeah, but you've got to admit it would be f*****g funny though. Almost worth paying a license fee for.

I completely agree.

I actually think we should have biased commentators on the BBC, and let them have a free reign on what they can and can't say.

(Sports and Politics)

Originally posted by liencam
different territory again though.

'The voice of the balls' is not an artist, and is not expressing themself in the way an artist might.


How can swearing on TV in the early evening be expression?
Madonna has been trying to shock people for years,and made herself look stupid most of the time.By resorting to shouting obscenties at tea-time,she has made herself look more ridiculous.

Originally posted by uncleheed
How can swearing on TV in the early evening be expression?
Madonna has been trying to shock people for years,and made herself look stupid most of the time.By resorting to shouting obscenties at tea-time,she has made herself look more ridiculous.

Because swear words are the most emotive words in our language, at the broadest level.

People take notice when someone uses them.

Hence this thread.

But it doesn't make you big or clever because you can swear.
Anyone can blurt a swear word out.Langauge can be used to make the most beautiful expressions.You shouldn't have to go that low to get a point across.

Originally posted by uncleheed
The BBC as recieved "around 400" complaints about the bad language used before the watershed at Live 8 on Saturday.
Personally I think the BBC should be brought to book on this matter.
Live 8 organisers should've known better putting Snoop Dogg on that early,but Madonna has no excuse.
Surely a 10 second delay on the broadcast couldve stopped this from happening.My children were watching this because it was an event that everyone should have seen.
Standards are slipping,and the BBC should know better.

oh come on.it was a one day, 1 of a kind special...........EVERYONE (almost) swears in their own lives, including the kids........there was snoops and madonna said a norty word, my god .......people should chill out before picking up a pen and paper or phone etc to complain..........they have nothing better to do, theres far worse things in life than 1 norty word , or several in snoops case :)
sir macca was enjoying it anyway, head nodding to snoop :)

Originally posted by melthebell
...there was snoops and madonna said a norty word, my god .......people should chill out before picking up a pen and paper or phone etc to complain..........they have nothing better to do, theres far worse things in life than 1 norty word , or several in snoops case...
It's not about one naughty word (there were a lot more than that), I don't really even think it's about what the artists did (although I agree that Madonna did make herself look foolish by squeezing in so many profanities), I actually think people are upset about what the BBC didn't do...

...they really should have acted like the respectable broadcasting organisation they purport to be and have taken measures to ensure they didn't broadcast this material direct into peoples homes pre-watershed.

That's a very different matter to some people choosing to take their children to a football match, or even choosing to attend this very same gig...

...the point is we expect certain standards of our broadcasters, and on this occasion they (the BBC) failed in their duties.

:(

I just think that people have way too much time on their hands, at the end of the day my 8 year old son watched this with me, and yes he saw the odd "Naughty" word but he knows that he isn't permitted to use that language.

it is far better for kid's to hear that stuff and know it's wrong to say it than to hear it for the first time and repeat it budgie fashion.

I used to work in a telecommunications complaint dept and you wouldn't belive the time and effort people would spent putting pen to paper about completely ridiculous miniscule issues, there was a whole department devoted to customers like Mrs Jones who was offended that our installer didn't have a biscuit when she offered him one to go with his tea!

Come on Britain Lighten up stop giving the BBC a hard time!!! perhaps if you did they wouldn't have to employ all those people to deal with your petty calls and letters and the bloody TV license might even drop in price!!!! lol

Originally posted by foo_fighter
It's not about one naughty word (there were a lot more than that), I don't really even think it's about what the artists did (although I agree that Madonna did make herself look foolish by squeezing in so many profanities), I actually think people are upset about what the BBC didn't do...

...they really should have acted like the respectable broadcasting organisation they purport to be and have taken measures to ensure they didn't broadcast this material direct into peoples homes pre-watershed.

That's a very different matter to some people choosing to take their children to a football match, or even choosing to attend this very same gig...

...the point is we expect certain standards of our broadcasters, and on this occasion they (the BBC) failed in their duties.

:(

what im saying is, we have those certain standards day in day out...........give the beeb some slack for being completely live once in a while............personally i hate all those bleeps.
if theres a norty word uttered......ignore it............if theres loads, turn it off.........at the end of the day with an artist like snoop you know theres gonna be norty words.

personally i was waaay more offended by that elton john / pete doherty song..the worst thing i have EVER heard

My band Yonni's track" ****ing" is now available on the Itunes website...Its already our top download after only 2 days...Enjoy...

I'm not particularly offended by swearing, but I do think there's a time and a place. I thought that Madonna's outburst was planned, as it didn't sound in any way natural. At least when Bob swore on live TV 20 years ago it was because he was talking about a subject he feels truly passionate about and it was out of sheer desperation/frustration.

I also felt that Madonna was particularly hypocritical as she seemed to imply during her post-performance interview that she wouldn't let her own kids anywhere near that concert, that she didn't think it was appropriate - yet there were obviously other people's children at that concert and watching it on TV, but she felt it was ok to swear in front of them.

As mentioned by many above, the scheduling of Snoop for 4pm was laughable! I was actually sat in here in stitches listening to him swear away at that time of the afternoon and amazed that the BBC was showing it without a delay.

But at the end of the day I don't think we should get too wound up about it. I think anyone who is getting angrier about the swearing during the concert than the issues it was trying to highlight needs to get their priorities right. No, it's not nice for kids to hear that language, but it's not as if they haven't heard it before, and at least you can try to explain to them that the reason this language was used in this case was because the people were angry about what is going on in the world and are trying to do something about it (even if it isn't quite the truth!).

Remember, Madonna is an American superstar, totally isolated to the real world, and she's married to Guy Ritchie. She no doubt thinks that the UK is exactly as portrayed in films such as Lock, Stock and Snatch, and in that light I'm sure her swearing was perfectly "natural".

i have not read all the posts but here is my bit..


we were all sat watching this with the kids and madonna said that. everyone of us said that it was bad but then that was it.. only a little later when we realised there was no apology then we thought more about it and said how many complaints would have been sent in. i think if as soon as the artist was finished they should have apologised then that would have been that. but at end of the day i swear like a trooper and cant really say much about the subject:D

My complaint about Live 8 and the bbc is that their coverage was so crappy, they kept interupting the live sets with those nonces Jo and Fern doing some crappy interviews.