Did anyone else see this programme last night?

It was about a "hospital" in the United States where paedophiles are sent after they have served their prison sentences. It is a place for them to seek and undergo therapy which will hopefully lead to their reabilitation. However 70% of the men there refused the therapy on the grounds that it was just another form of prison or that they had not done anything wrong in the first place.

He interviewed a few of the inmates. One seemed sincere in his contrition and had even gone so far as to have a physical castration in order to prove he could be let out. In his case a judge had ordered his release but they could not find any community that would have him, after having tried over 1100 locations.

Others either still had paedophillic leanings, one bloke had an erotic picture of teen ballet dancers on his wall, or just refused point blank to accept their proclivities - one man blaming "being under the influence" as to why he molested a child he was babysitting.

Fascinating if disturbing programme. I'm sure it will be repeated if anyone wants to view it.

I was thinking about watching this, but thought I would find it a bit upsetting. It does seem quite interesting though, and i'm sure if it's repeated I will watch it then.

I caught the last 10 mins,Im not a fan of his anyway .

Hmmmm......A place for paedophiles??? 6ft under maybe???

Hmmmm......A place for paedophiles??? 6ft under maybe???couldn't have put it better

It was interesting, a very well equipped place for many of them to live out their days until they die, a home from home almost.

A paedo can see nothing wrong in his 'sexual preferences' so can never show or feel any remorse for his actions. Rehabilitation is therefore impossible for these 'monsters'. Only locking them away or 'chemical castration' are options.
Cruel, but I would argue necessary.

havent they proved that catration doesnt always work

havent they proved that catration doesnt always work

Even when it does work, it's unnecessary. The same effect on the body can be achieved through entirely chemical means.

The word is interesting.
It originated when Greek poets described homosexual encounters with boys*, and was taken up by Dr. Kraft-Ebbing.
Now the -philia bit refers to "love".
Thus ailurophilia refers to love of cats, bibliophilia to love of books, etc.
In these -philias, the object (cat/book/whatever) is cared for and protected.
Is it logical to use -philia where the aim is to injure the object of the "love"?
Logically, "paedophile" should be a term of praise for those whose love for children (grandchildren, nephews, neighbours' kids) encourages the children to grow and develop naturally and happily, rather than for those who are unscrupulously using a child to satisfy their lust?

(*In his Rhetoric, Aristotle defines the activity involved in philia (τὸ φιλεῖn) as:
"wanting for someone what one thinks good, for his sake and not for one's own, and being inclined, so far as one can, to do such things for him" (1380b36–1381a2) )

(Philia (φιλία) as an ancient Greek word for love refers to brotherly love, including friendship and affection. This contrast to the ancient Greek terms Eros, or sexual/romantic love, and agapē, or detached, spiritual love. English usage differs in some cases from the etymological use, and several of these words refer in English not to brotherly love but to sexual attraction. Wikipaedia)

A paedo can see nothing wrong in his 'sexual preferences' so can never show or feel any remorse for his actions. Rehabilitation is therefore impossible for these 'monsters'. Only locking them away or 'chemical castration' are options.
Cruel, but I would argue necessary.

Why are peadophiles beyond rehabilitation? I'm interested to know what evidence you've used to reach this conclusion...

Why are peadophiles beyond rehabilitation? I'm interested to know what evidence you've used to reach this conclusion...

Although I think they can possibly be rehabilitated, Louis Theroux made the very good point that paedophiles are usually good at deceiving people, which is how they get to carry out the crimes in the first place a lot of the time.

How can we be sure that they have been rehabilitated and is it worth the risk of allowing a paedophile to move back into society?

I'd like to think these people could be rehabilitated but if one moved near me and I had children, I'd probably think very differently.

I can't see how peado's can suddenly become better. As a 27 year old man, I'm attracted to women between around 22 and 30. I can't change that, I can't overnight become attracted to 40 year old men.

If 20 years ago these grown men were attracted to kids, its natural for them to still be attracted to them. That programme was interesting but disturbing. It's the best place for them.

I can't see how peado's can suddenly become better. As a 27 year old man, I'm attracted to women between around 22 and 30. I can't change that, I can't overnight become attracted to 40 year old men.

If 20 years ago these grown men were attracted to kids, its natural for them to still be attracted to them. That programme was interesting but disturbing. It's the best place for them.

It's not just about who they're attracted to, it's about what they do about it.

Why are peadophiles beyond rehabilitation? I'm interested to know what evidence you've used to reach this conclusion...

A neighbour of mine was a psychologist and during one of our discussions informed me that rehabilitation can only start when the subject ADMITS and BELIEVES that what they do is wrong. He said paedo's can never see that they are doing wrong and will argue for ever to defend their actions.
Sometimes they get smart and tell lies to convince doctors they have seen the error of their ways but my neighbour stated 'once a paedo, always a paedo'.

A neighbour of mine was a psychologist and during one of our discussions informed me that rehabilitation can only start when the subject ADMITS and BELIEVES that what they do is wrong. He said paedo's can never see that they are doing wrong and will argue for ever to defend their actions.
Sometimes they get smart and tell lies to convince doctors they have seen the error of their ways but my neighbour stated 'once a paedo, always a paedo'.

Maybe all budding psychologists and care workers should ask your neighbour for advice. Sounds like he/she has got it all worked out.

JFish makes a valid point about the word, it is misused when referring to these monsters. Part of me wanted to watch the programme but in the end I couldn't bear to. (having first hand knowledge of one of them)

I don't know what should be done with them, but I am sure they will never stop offending if given the chance.

Can they help it, any more than a homosexual can deny his/her sexual preference?
I don't know, and my question is not intended to offend anyone.

JFish makes a valid point about the word, it is misused when referring to these monsters. Part of me wanted to watch the programme but in the end I couldn't bear to. (having first hand knowledge of one of them)

I don't know what should be done with them, but I am sure they will never stop offending if given the chance.

Can they help it, any more than a homosexual can deny his/her sexual preference?
I don't know, and my question is not intended to offend anyone.

Can someone with a tendency to murderous rage learn to control his anger?
Can someone with a habit of stealing learn to respect the property of others?
We seem to expect self-control from these people - why can't the child-abusers do it?

Can someone with a tendency to murderous rage learn to control his anger?
Can someone with a habit of stealing learn to respect the property of others?
We seem to expect self-control from these people - why can't the child-abusers do it?

Some of them can and do learn to exert self control and stop offending.

Some of them can and do learn to exert self control and stop offending.

After they've destroyed a few lives along the way.

After they've destroyed a few lives along the way.

And your point is?

And your point is?

That if they'd practised some self control before offending I and countless others would not have suffered at their hands.
I do not exaggerate when I say my life was wrecked, but I expect you would say I should have got over it.

That if they'd practised some self control before offending I and countless others would not have suffered at their hands.
I do not exaggerate when I say my life was wrecked, but I expect you would say I should have got over it.

There are a few on here who show more compassion for the culprits of crime than the victims, strangely sex offenders are well cared for on SF :rolleyes:

Maybe all budding psychologists and care workers should ask your neighbour for advice. Sounds like he/she has got it all worked out.

Change or clean your specs, open your eyes and READ the post. My neighbour was at the time a psychologist working from a Sheffield Hospital and actually counselling and analysing the victims of crime/abuse/rape etc. Stop being so bloody sarcastic and actually READ the posts.

Did anyone else see this programme last night?

It was about a "hospital" in the United States where paedophiles are sent after they have served their prison sentences. It is a place for them to seek and undergo therapy which will hopefully lead to their reabilitation. However 70% of the men there refused the therapy on the grounds that it was just another form of prison or that they had not done anything wrong in the first place.

He interviewed a few of the inmates. One seemed sincere in his contrition and had even gone so far as to have a physical castration in order to prove he could be let out. In his case a judge had ordered his release but they could not find any community that would have him, after having tried over 1100 locations.Others either still had paedophillic leanings, one bloke had an erotic picture of teen ballet dancers on his wall, or just refused point blank to accept their proclivities - one man blaming "being under the influence" as to why he molested a child he was babysitting.

Fascinating if disturbing programme. I'm sure it will be repeated if anyone wants to view it.

I did not find him sincere at all. I found him to be very can conniving & that he tried to come across like he was apologetic & remorseful but I did not think he was at all. Deceit is a vital part that plays in thier disturbed life. That was what he was doing on camera.

When he said that he needs to get over this, move on? :huh: NO! Who does he think he is? Try telling that to the 50 people he molested. How dare he. Also when he tried to justify his action above. He thought just because he had committed his crimes when he was 18 & did not know what he was doing & because of the age he is at now & that he had served time for his crime it was somewhat ok.....just to move on forget about the inhumane acts he had committed.

I could not care less if he got 20, 30 years in jail & served his time. His justification in thinking because I have done the crime & served my time "well it is time to move on now" Is ok,it is not & unfortunately people like him probably move on most likely on to the next innocent person & hurt them.

It was an interesting watch. I was left wondering what to do with these people. Some of them really did seem to want to change their ways, but surely that's impossible. Maybe castration solves the problem, I don't know.

A few of the guys there obviously didn't see anything wrong with your behavior though. I can understand why people wouldn't want to live within a 1000 miles of someone like that,.

these things what are meant to be human beings deserve every thing they get. if i had my way i would hang them all .thus saving the vast amount of people a lot of money they are scum and nothing more disgust's me

these things what are meant to be human beings deserve every thing they get. if i had my way i would hang them all .thus saving the vast amount of people a lot of money they are scum and nothing more disgust's me

Have a look at some figures, then come back with a better solution.

I'll give you a head start... .click this. (http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty) $37.2 million per death in Maryland.

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As for the programme, I quite like Theroux. He asks the kind of questions, that people want answering. I think he's a good journalist.

Is this place a good idea? Should it be there? Should we have it here? Would we accept paying the same money for this facilty?

Lots of questions.

I would personally begrudge paying my taxes to fund 200,000 per person per year, being spent on this kind of 'prison/hospital/institution utopia' that they seem to live in, when the 'success rate' is 11 people in its history (currently 600 inmates).

However, other than the law/sentencing being changed, these people HAVE served their time under current justice and prison sentencing, and otherwise would be walking the streets.

I'm half and half with the idea of rehabilitation in relation to different criminal offenses. But in the case of sexual orientation/or sexual preference, I'm not entirely convinced that it can be altered by incarceration and rehabilitation.

That if they'd practised some self control before offending I and countless others would not have suffered at their hands.Well obviously! It's such an obvious point I can't understand why anybody would want to make it.....
I do not exaggerate when I say my life was wrecked, but I expect you would say I should have got over it.
What makes you say that? Have I done something to upset you or something?

It was an interesting watch. I was left wondering what to do with these people. Some of them really did seem to want to change their ways, but surely that's impossible. Maybe castration solves the problem, I don't know.

A few of the guys there obviously didn't see anything wrong with your behavior though. I can understand why people wouldn't want to live within a 1000 miles of someone like that,.

It's not impossible. Do a bit of research and I think you'll find that some of the scandinavian countries have good evidence that re-offending rates can drop to zero for paedophiles on supervised release in the community, with the right treatment and supervision.

I'm telling you now...if anyone ever laid a finger on my daughter i'd make it my lifes work to seek revenge no matter what the cost! This is a pointless thread, and anyone who hasn't had or have children are certainly entitled to their opinion but won't fully understand the feeling and protection you have for a child of your own

"I did not find him sincere at all. I found him to be very can conniving & that he tried to come across like he was apologetic & remorseful but I did not think he was at all. Deceit is a vital part that plays in thier disturbed life. That was what he was doing on camera."

Under what circumstances would you be persuaded that his remorse and sincerity were genuine? There must be some, otherwise your opinion would be worthless as you would be pre-judging the situation before ever seeing the interview.

Has anyone thought that by studying them we might better understand their mindset and try and find some way to stop this in the future?

Or are we still in the dark ages "He's different - string him up"? We no longer chop off a leg if only one toe has gangrene.

Has anyone thought that by studying them we might better understand their mindset and try and find some way to stop this in the future?

Or are we still in the dark ages "He's different - string him up"? We no longer chop off a leg if only one toe has gangrene.

They have been studied both extensively and intensively and we know a lot about their mindset. Most are psychopaths with no concern for the harm they inflict on others. They are highly devious, prone to recidivism and 'remorseful' only when they get caught. Because they are so untrustworthy, and because it is so difficult to keep track of their behaviour, they deserve to be locked in in perpetuity in most cases.

I'm telling you now...if anyone ever laid a finger on my daughter i'd make it my lifes work to seek revenge no matter what the cost! This is a pointless thread, and anyone who hasn't had or have children are certainly entitled to their opinion but won't fully understand the feeling and protection you have for a child of your own

Why is it pointless?

You've expressed two opinions in that post alone. (bolded)

In this country, most of those 600 would be free now. Which would you prefer, their freedom, or paying [taxes] to keep people like that in a place like that?

Why is it pointless?

You've expressed two opinions in that post alone. (bolded)

In this country, most of those 600 would be free now. Which would you prefer, their freedom, or paying [taxes] to keep people like that in a place like that?

It's a pointless thread because i would see them hanged! And why should i work my bollo*ks off, then be expected to keep 'kiddie fiddlers' fed and watered in some safe haven??? You need to wake up!

It's a pointless thread because i would see them hanged! And why should i work my bollo*ks off, then be expected to keep 'kiddie fiddlers' fed and watered in some safe haven??? You need to wake up!

You've expressed your opinion on the thread, hardly makes it pointless does it? Just because you would like to see them hang that doesn't make any difference to the fact that this facility exists, there was a TV programme about and I invited other forummers to comment on it.

Now until we routinely execute paedophiles in this country maybe you could give a considered response as to what should be done, within the current laws, to people who have served their sentences and are therefore elligible for release into the community.

Should sentences just be indeterminate, should treatment be mandatory, can they ever be rehabilitated? As *_ash_* asks, what would you prefer from the currently available options, letting them out or paying to keep them locked away in some facility for treatment?

It's a pointless thread because i would see them hanged! And why should i work my bollo*ks off, then be expected to keep 'kiddie fiddlers' fed and watered in some safe haven??? You need to wake up!

I need to wake up?

Look at the figures I showed that display how much it costs to execute people.

If you want them all hung, then you, me and everyone else, is going to have to put in some serious overtime.

I need to wake up?

Look at the figures I showed that display how much it costs to execute people.

If you want them all hung, then you, me and everyone else, is going to have to put in some serious overtime.


So, as been as we can't hang them ...yet, then in MY opinion, they should be locked up without ever being released, because next time it could be our children or grandchildren or anyone's children!

So, as been as we can't hang them ...yet, then in MY opinion, they should be locked up without ever being released, because next time it could be our children or grandchildren or anyone's children!

That's pretty much what happens at that place.

Only a few have ever got out. The rest will probably spend their lives there. I can't think why it's costs so much to house them though. 200 grand per person! :gag:

That's pretty much what happens at that place.

Only a few have ever got out. The rest will probably spend their lives there. I can't think why it's costs so much to house them though. 200 grand per person! :gag:

I would suspect that someone is lining their pockets somewhere along the line....that's why it costs 200 grand! But i'm always sceptical about anything governmennt run or funded :suspect:

I would suspect that someone is lining their pockets somewhere along the line....that's why it costs 200 grand! But i'm always sceptical about anything governmennt run or funded :suspect:

I guess part of the reason is that it's in the USA too. Everything to do with hospitals costs a bleedin fortune there. :o

Paedophiles claim they cannot control their sexual urges and some are not contrite as they feel it is natural to them

The ones who molest must then feel their victims have no rights over their own bodies, and those who say their victims enjoy the experience don't take into account that they are too young to know what is happening to them and why.

It is their disregard for their victims' rights which loses any argument they may have to support their tendencies.

Must also be noted that castrating an offender wouldn't exactly cure the problem...many victims haven't actually been physically molested. Many are subjected to perpetrators physically molesting themselves over a long period of time.