if it all comes down to utd winning at palace to gain automatic promotion do you think warnock will play the u16s.its got to be worst scenario going for him cause if utd win will birmingham be wanting a stewards enquiry

Theres a few people saying this, It will be interesting to see what team he plays, I think he will play a few youngsters as they have nothing to play for.

if it all comes down to utd winning at palace to gain automatic promotion do you think warnock will play the u16s.its got to be worst scenario going for him cause if utd win will birmingham be wanting a stewards enquiry

man ure did it to us when west ham beat them on the final day

Lord warnock has been playing a lot of youngsters for weeks , he said as much when the play offs became a step too far.

I reckon Palace will look like they are trying, but at the end of the day, they'll not be trying that hard. There's nowt Birmingham can do about it, (or anyone else for that matter)..... 3 points nailed on, I'd say.

man ure did it to us when west ham beat them on the final day

I'm a blade but man utd hit the woodwork four times in that game.

man ure did it to us when west ham beat them on the final day

So it's Man Utd not West Ham to blame for your lot not being able to win or draw with Wigan???
United going to be suing Man Utd Next then

So it's Man Utd not West Ham to blame for your lot not being able to win or draw with Wigan???
United going to be suing Man Utd Next then

no the goal post makers, they were an inch to thick.

I think warnock will want to win this game for palace just as much as he wants to win every game.

The FA will be watching very carefully and im sure the palace fans will be watching too.

If they slip a couple of places because of the 3 points they missed from us they could loose quite a bit of money from the league- remember the money is all given our dependant on league places.

So it's Man Utd not West Ham to blame for your lot not being able to win or draw with Wigan???
United going to be suing Man Utd Next then

Oh don't start for gods sake.

Warnock may have left palace before the game. remember you heard it on sf first.

Fielding a weakened team that helped you to go up, regardless of what team he's a fan of, would make Warnock a massive hypocrite.

Remember the bleating he did about the Liverpool team that lost at Fulham, or the Man U team that West Ham beat? This despite that both of those teams still had some hugely expensive experienced internationals on the pitch, and they both had major Cup Finals coming up that they were perfectly entitled to rest some of their players for.

its a bit silly to think that a professional football manager could get away with putting a youth team into a championship league game .when it can have an effect on the outcome of a promotion.it is in my eyes asking for trouble its supposed to be a sporting occasion not who's my favorite team.i doubt for a minuit Warnock would throw the game .it was no ones fault but our own as to us not beating wigan that was'nt the issue

Fielding a weakened team that helped you to go up, regardless of what team he's a fan of, would make Warnock a massive hypocrite.

Remember the bleating he did about the Liverpool team that lost at Fulham, or the Man U team that West Ham beat? This despite that both of those teams still had some hugely expensive experienced internationals on the pitch, and they both had major Cup Finals coming up that they were perfectly entitled to rest some of their players for.

hypocrite or not , like you stated yourself he is "perfectly entitled".

hypocrite or not , like you stated yourself he is "perfectly entitled".

But like I said, Warnock was the one making a song and dance about other teams fielding what he saw as weakened sides, therefore he'd be a massive hypocrite to do the same now.

The big difference here is that Liverpool had a Champions League Final coming up, and Man Utd's game was the week before the FA Cup final. They still put out relatively strong teams, and like you said yourself Man Utd were actually very unlucky to lose against West Ham anyway on the day.

Warnock also has an obligation to the fans of his own club to try and win the game, not to mention the other teams going for promotion. How would you feel if there was a scenario where you were playing the last game of the season against, for example, Plymouth who Blackwell has an affiliation with but you couldn't care less about, and they needed to win to stay up. Then he played your reserves on purpose and you lost the game?

cant we beat them with their first team? they are only mid-table lets focus on OUR team not how we do not if they put out the kids

we've beat cardiff, reading, drawn at swansea, wolves and preston all away.
cant see it being a big shock if we won at palace without having a stewards enquiry. in fact i expect it. burnley will be tougher.

Remember that after Monday's match, St Neil said that at the end of the game, for various reasons, he had seven academy players on the field. Now I don't follow Palace much, so I have no idea whether any of these players are regulars on the bench or not, but he's had to end with what could be described as a weakened side once already.

Lest it be forgotten, a certain other side may have a bearing on the automatic places (obviously depending on results) when Cardiff come to visit them on the final day as well. And don't give me any flannel about not wanting to see a 'weakened' side if that were to be the case :D

We'd be the same.

I liked Neil when he was with us - but if anyone thinks he's going to give anything to the Blades now - think again. There's many stories of how he left feeling badly treated, and lets be right, when he's got an axe to grind he will motivate the hell out of his team.

He will make it as hard for us as he can, mark my words. If anyone thinks thats an easy 3 points - forget it.

I am a Blade, but if Warnock did do that I think it would make him and us the biggest hypocrites ever and we would never hear the last of it.

If we go up, we need to do this the right way... I would rather not go up if that was the case, and I would be discusted if we cheated our way up.

We are good enough to do this properly, I think this is all hype.

On the same note you could ask, depending on how it all stands going into the last game, I wonder how easily Cardiff might beat Wednesday?.........

On the same note you could ask, depending on how it all stands going into the last game, I wonder how easily Cardiff might beat Wednesday?.........

If we are good enough, we won't need to rely on wednesday.

If we are good enough, we won't need to rely on wednesday.

By the time of the game though, Cardiff may be above United, so if Wednesday didn't put out their strongest side and try their hardest, that would be just as bad as if Warnock did the same?

The other point is that even if Warnock himself would really love United to go up, he can only do so much - the Palace players themselves won't particularly have any desire to see us go up, United's success or failure means nothing to them, and with Jordan trying to offload the club, Warnock won't be there much longer anyway... whereas it would be in Wednesday's interests (at least as some fans would see it) to stop United going up, by whatever means possible... how far they're prepared to go is the question.

Don't forget that Reading v Brum is on the last day, and it is likely Reading will be out of contention for automatics by then - are we also going to insist they put out a full team and go full on at Birmingham, rather than resting players for the playoffs? I would expect that if United are out of contention for automatic on the last day, we'll have a lot of youngsters in the team at Palace, and rest the key players, as the Palace game would then be meaningless?

Fielding a weakened team that helped you to go up, regardless of what team he's a fan of, would make Warnock a massive hypocrite.

Remember the bleating he did about the Liverpool team that lost at Fulham, or the Man U team that West Ham beat? This despite that both of those teams still had some hugely expensive experienced internationals on the pitch, and they both had major Cup Finals coming up that they were perfectly entitled to rest some of their players for.

You also have to bear in mind Liverpool played a weakened team and it was not the saturday before the champions league match it happened it was the saturday before that, so why did they do this. If you are resting players for a big match you do it the match immediately before. That is one of the many reasons I hate Liverpool with a passion and was cheering on Chelski like mad last night

By the time of the game though, Cardiff may be above United, so if Wednesday didn't put out their strongest side and try their hardest, that would be just as bad as if Warnock did the same?

The other point is that even if Warnock himself would really love United to go up, he can only do so much - the Palace players themselves won't particularly have any desire to see us go up, United's success or failure means nothing to them, and with Jordan trying to offload the club, Warnock won't be there much longer anyway... whereas it would be in Wednesday's interests (at least as some fans would see it) to stop United going up, by whatever means possible... how far they're prepared to go is the question.

Don't forget that Reading v Brum is on the last day, and it is likely Reading will be out of contention for automatics by then - are we also going to insist they put out a full team and go full on at Birmingham, rather than resting players for the playoffs? I would expect that if United are out of contention for automatic on the last day, we'll have a lot of youngsters in the team at Palace, and rest the key players, as the Palace game would then be meaningless?

Yes I see your good point, lets just hope we don't need to rely on them to win cardiff, we wouldnt hear the last of it..... it's a bit sad thats all they have got to look forward too.

As it stands dont they need to win by 3 clear goals?

Also I might be a little naive in saying this but with what I heard from brian laws he was angry at the performance agains QPR... and might not give a toss if we go up or not...... its a tricky one

Yes I see your good point, lets just hope we don't need to rely on them to win cardiff, we wouldnt hear the last of it..... it's a bit sad thats all they have got to look forward too.

As it stands dont they need to win by 3 clear goals?

Also I might be a little naive in saying this but with what I heard from brian laws he was angry at the performance agains QPR... and might not give a toss if we go up or not...... its a tricky one

At the moment I believe we have a three goal advantage, but they have Charlton to come...

I can't really see Laws sending out the team under orders not to try too hard - whatever his faults may be, he does come across as a decent bloke who knows what's right and what isn't - and that if it were the other way round, he'd at least expect Blackwell to give it a good go.

If anything, i'd have thought the players should be working particularly hard to impress in these final few games, as a lot of clubs will have to make tough contract decisions in the summer, so to finish strongly might just get you a contract extension.

if it all comes down to utd winning at palace to gain automatic promotion do you think warnock will play the u16s.its got to be worst scenario going for him cause if utd win will birmingham be wanting a stewards enquiry

Stewards enquiry for what? Even if he did there can't be any action brought upon himself or the club.

Fielding a weakened team that helped you to go up, regardless of what team he's a fan of, would make Warnock a massive hypocrite..


I totally agree and I would lose a lot of respect for him.

However I think he will field his strongest side available.

I think warnock will want to win this game for palace just as much as he wants to win every game.

The FA will be watching very carefully and im sure the palace fans will be watching too.

If they slip a couple of places because of the 3 points they missed from us they could loose quite a bit of money from the league- remember the money is all given our dependant on league places.

I think from about 12th down, the 'prize' money is the same, so Palace may not be any better, or worse off, financially, win or lose.
Colin will look after you, I'm sure. :thumbsup:

If it were Nigel Pearson or Gary Megson, or John Sheridan, or Nigel Worthington's teams playing against Wednesday, I'd be very confident of a win ..... They're all Wednesdayites aren't they? :thumbsup:

I'm a blade but man utd hit the woodwork four times in that game.

thats my point,if a full squad had been playing they would have scored ;) just think warnock could be responsible for us returning to the prem and not cackwell :D:D:D:D:D:D

Man Utd's team against West Ham that day :

Van der Sar ,O'Shea ,Brown ,Heinze ,Evra (Giggs ,57 ) ,Solskjaer ,Carrick (Scholes ,58 ) ,Fletcher ,Richardson ,Smith (Ronaldo ,58 ) ,Rooney
Subs not used: Kuszczak,Vidic,

That's not exactly a weak team, is it? Of the 14 players who got onto the pitch that day, 12 of them also played some part in the FA Cup Final the following week. The only notable exclusions were Ferdinand and Vidic, and Man Utd's failure to score was hardly down to them.

Man Utd's team against West Ham that day :

Van der Sar ,O'Shea ,Brown ,Heinze ,Evra (Giggs ,57 ) ,Solskjaer ,Carrick (Scholes ,58 ) ,Fletcher ,Richardson ,Smith (Ronaldo ,58 ) ,Rooney
Subs not used: Kuszczak,Vidic,

That's not exactly a weak team, is it? Of the 14 players who got onto the pitch that day, 12 of them also played some part in the FA Cup Final the following week. The only notable exclusions were Ferdinand and Vidic, and Man Utd's failure to score was hardly down to them.

Well.... O'Shea, Solskjaer, Fletcher, Richardson, Smith and Heinze - I don't think would have been starting if United had to win the title.

.. warnock has been playing a lot of youngsters for weeks ...
That is true.
He threw a load in last season, when he first took the job there, and they have done more than OK for him.

Well.... O'Shea, Solskjaer, Fletcher, Richardson, Smith and Heinze - I don't think would have been starting if United had to win the title.

Maybe not, but two of those started the FA Cup Final the next game, with another 3 of them coming on as subs.

Point was, it's hardly a weak team that they put out - every player a full international (except for Richardson possibly at the time, although he did go on to play for England).

Post number 3 in this thread was suggesting that Man Utd just played their youth team and stitched up United, which clearly isn't the case at all.

I'm a blade but man utd hit the woodwork four times in that game.
Of all the "quetionable results in games" over the last few decades; I'm surprised you Blades haven't made more of the way Everton came back from 2-0 down against Wimbledon to win 3-2, which coupled with your defeat at Chelsea relegated you in 1994.

From what I saw, there were more dodgy decisons and actions in that game, than anything reported from the game at Ipswich (league champions at the time), for which three former Wednesday players served jail sentences.

Maybe not, but two of those started the FA Cup Final the next game, with another 3 of them coming on as subs.

Point was, it's hardly a weak team that they put out - every player a full international (except for Richardson possibly at the time, although he did go on to play for England).

Post number 3 in this thread was suggesting that Man Utd just played their youth team and stitched up United, which clearly isn't the case at all.

I see your point Al, just as you see mine (but don't wanna admit it).

It wasn't a weak team they put out, because lets face it, even their youth team is not weak

But as Warnock rightly said in his book, when you look at a team sheet that you're playing and you see no Scholes, Ronaldo, Ferdinand, Vidic, Giggs or Saha then it instantly gives you a boost.

You and I both know that the team that went out whilst they dominated the game didn't play how they would if something was on the line for it.

I see your point Al, just as you see mine (but don't wanna admit it).

It wasn't a weak team they put out, because lets face it, even their youth team is not weak

You and I both know that the team that went out whilst they dominated the game didn't play how they would if something was on the line for it.

I do see your point, but in a sense it's a non-issue because you really can't expect a team to play every single first choice player from the start in every single game, especially in a fairly meaningless game when they've got an FA Cup Final in their next game and high quality squad players. Like I said, it was a very strong team full of internationals which still included several top-quality key players, and not the under 16s. Did Warnock not rest key players in an FA Cup game, and in various other matches? Maybe you also benefitted from teams resting some of their top players against you at times?


"when you look at a team sheet that you're playing and you see no Scholes, Ronaldo, Ferdinand, Vidic, Giggs or Saha then it instantly gives you a boost." .

How much of a boost did you get this season when you saw Arsenal's star players were out and they literally did have the youth team playing? ;)

How much of a boost did you get this season when you saw Arsenal's star players were out and they literally did have the youth team playing? ;)

Arsenals youth team are an exception, played with no fear and was fantastic.

Hence I left at 5-0 lol

Of all the "quetionable results in games" over the last few decades; I'm surprised you Blades haven't made more of the way Everton came back from 2-0 down against Wimbledon to win 3-2, which coupled with your defeat at Chelsea relegated you in 1994.

From what I saw, there were more dodgy decisons and actions in that game, than anything reported from the game at Ipswich (league champions at the time), for which three former Wednesday players served jail sentences.

Tony Kay got a treble up that day, won his bet , man of the match and a jail sentence. I wonder how the man of the match could fix a game.
The above statement was made to me by Tony Kay himself.

Looks like our ex centre half Claude davis is banned for the Palace game. I think that will work against us really because I think Ward and Heno would have given him a right run around

Tony Kay got a treble up that day, won his bet , man of the match and a jail sentence. I wonder how the man of the match could fix a game.
The above statement was made to me by Tony Kay himself.

Read this book on the flight over and back....

http://www.soccerpro.com/images/978-0-7710-4138-9_the_fix_soccer_book_zm.jpg

Quote:
Originally Posted by inchy
.. warnock has been playing a lot of youngsters for weeks ...

Geocol's response:
That is true.
He threw a load in last season, when he first took the job there, and they have done more than OK for him.

Warnock interviewed on TalkSPORT this morning said he'd had ALL 5 strikers out injured for long spells, so he had to play the young 'uns. As they recovered one by one, he then had ALL his senior, experienced centre halves out injured, so the young 'uns had to come in again.
I don't know what his injury list is like at the moment.

Looks like our ex centre half Claude davis is banned for the Palace game. I think that will work against us really because I think Ward and Heno would have given him a right run around

I don't know, he's been pretty good for them. When Palace played at Hillsborough they were completely solid at the back. Davis went off injured and we then scored twice to win.

Read this book on the flight over and back....

http://www.soccerpro.com/images/978-0-7710-4138-9_the_fix_soccer_book_zm.jpg

and ????

Not making excuses, but it was a different era and game in those days, CB.

Not all players were even on £100 or so a week in the early 60s, and it was not unusual for players to have their cars re-posessed whilst they were on the training pitch, having not kept up the payments. Can hardly blame them for trying to better themselves by winning a few quid from a bookie. The question is, how much influence could they have had on that game, anyway?.

In the fities they caught buses/trams to play in games, or walked when there were none on Christmas morning to play in a 11:15 am kick off. In some cases (quote Mr Dooley) they were knackered before they even kicked off.

I was only young at the time, but what the Wednesday lads did was the "tip of the iceberg".

I have no doubt the game was corrupt at that time. Sadly, bigger names were never brought to justice for far worse, because the FA chose not to do so, because to have done so would have given football such bad publicity in the lead up to the 1966 Worlld Cup.

Read this book on the flight over and back....

http://www.soccerpro.com/images/978-0-7710-4138-9_the_fix_soccer_book_zm.jpg

Were any of your ex chairmen or Directors in it?
They still can't find one of them to interview him! ;)

Were any of your ex chairmen or Directors in it?
They still can't find one of them to interview him! ;)

Unlike the ex wednesday player with a stolen safe in his garage.

Unlike the ex wednesday player with a stolen safe in his garage.

as he stated he didnt know how it got there

Unlike the ex wednesday player with a stolen safe in his garage.

None of us are white as snow are we?

Of all the "quetionable results in games" over the last few decades; I'm surprised you Blades haven't made more of the way Everton came back from 2-0 down against Wimbledon to win 3-2, which coupled with your defeat at Chelsea relegated you in 1994.

From what I saw, there were more dodgy decisons and actions in that game, than anything reported from the game at Ipswich (league champions at the time), for which three former Wednesday players served jail sentences.

The penalty given for what I'll happily call a dive from Anders Limpar was a joke, and Hans (ex-Blade) Segers 'attempts' at times were comical. Ironically, Ipswich were the side who contributed to our downfall in 1994, as they somehow held out for a draw away to Blackburn (guaranteed to finish second to Manure).

Had they lost, then the eventual Everton result (as much as that may have been contrived) would have meant that we would have finished 4th from bottom, and Ipswich would have gone with Swindon and Oldham, hence the importance of Mark Stein's last gasp winner.

So it's Man Utd not West Ham to blame for your lot not being able to win or draw with Wigan???
United going to be suing Man Utd Next then

yes why not;)