i saw a red citroen on it's roof by the little nature reserve/pond at around 8.20 this morning, no police at that time and another car or more were involved too, i think. Thing is, how fast do you have to go to turn a car? And as it's no overtaking on this stretch of road why do i see so many people doing it? I use it twice a day and dread seeing a car coming too close to me...

My day off today luckily so I missed this.

By the way, overtaking is allowed on this road. The chevrons just give the impression it isn't.

Originally posted by _johnnyb_
By the way, overtaking is allowed on this road. The chevrons just give the impression it isn't.


sorry to correct you but to quote the highway code.

109: Areas of white diagonal stripes or chevrons painted on the road. These are to separate traffic lanes or to protect traffic turning right.

* If the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so.
* If the area is marked with diagonal stripes and bordered by solid white lines, you should not enter it except in an emergency.
* If the area is marked with chevrons and bordered by solid white lines you MUST NOT enter it except in an emergency.

Originally posted by Hal9001
sorry to correct you but to quote the highway code.

109: Areas of white diagonal stripes or chevrons painted on the road. These are to separate traffic lanes or to protect traffic turning right.

* If the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so.
* If the area is marked with diagonal stripes and bordered by solid white lines, you should not enter it except in an emergency.
* If the area is marked with chevrons and bordered by solid white lines you MUST NOT enter it except in an emergency.

if you have a narrow car, you can overtake without entering it (as long as the driver in front moves to the left of the lane).

I agree, but at 60mph, would it be safe passing so close to another vehicle? I suppose it's up to the individual to decide. Plus it can get frustrating if someone is dawdling on such a stretch of road.

However, I see too many people ignoring the chevrons. They were put there because of the accidents caused by overtaking.

Originally posted by Hal9001
I agree, but at 60mph, would it be safe passing so close to another vehicle? I suppose it's up to the individual to decide. Plus it can get frustrating if someone is dawdling on such a stretch of road.

However, I see too many people ignoring the chevrons. They were put there because of the accidents caused by overtaking.

that would depend I suppose. I'll admit to overtaking and using the chevrond area when i find someone doing 40 down that stretch.

I had a friend pulled over for using the chevrons there.
Funny thing is, he was on a bike, and clearly had no need to move that far out, a complete waste of his time by a police officer who should have known better.

Hal9001,

The markings in the centre of the road are bordered by a broken white line so overtaking is allowed.

* If the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so.

What is "necessary" is open to interpretation.

I think the idea of the markings on the Mosborough Parkway is to try and keep a better seperation between the two directions of traffic.

Originally posted by _johnnyb_
Hal9001,

The markings in the centre of the road are bordered by a broken white line so overtaking is allowed.

Okay, my memory must be failing me. However, is it necessary to overtake when everyone is already doing the speed limit?



I'm not aiming this question directly at you.

I agree totally with you as I often see very dangerous overtaking along this stretch of road.

I've also seen drivers who refuse to overtake a JCB or similar yet sit to the right of it stopping other drivers passing.

Why is everyone always in such a hurry? Overtaking on this stretch of road is going to save what - a minute if that. Is it really worth it?

Obviously if there is a very slow moving vehicle in front, and it's safe to overtake then fair enough, but how often does this happen?

People should learn to chill out a bit and be more concerned with getting to their destination safely rather than a minute quicker. Allow plenty of time for your journey and don't get stressed out, makes life a lot easier :thumbsup:

I agree with a lot of the sentiment on here regarding being in a hurry, how much time do you gain, people doing 40MPH when the speed limit is 60 (I'm convinced many people don't know what the national speed limit sign means when not on motorway) etc, etc.

However I lay the blame for the many accidents on this stretch of road squarely on the shoulders of the road planners (yes yes, I know it's not them driving the car, blah blah). But what goon designs a long straight section of 60 mph road 1.5 lanes wide in both directions and, initially only separated by a dotted line? Talk about creating an accident waiting to happen.

The addition of hatchings would've helped if they had been solid white lines, but as someone else pointed out, for those who know the Code it only provides a grey area.

Improvements?....
For a start, if ever a section of road required a SPECS speed trap, this is it.

Secondly, make the hatchings border solid and make the hatchings themselves slightly raised (like the lines at the edge of motorway). Then people might think twice as to whether they really need to overtake .

Thirdly change the lane layout at the top end of the road (near the dumpit site). Going toward Crystal Peaks the 2 lanes at the island should extend much further down the stretch of road (ie as far as the lay bys). The night time queues wouldn't be as bad and people wouldn't risk head on's by creeping past the traffic queing in the inside lane. The Sheffield bound lane should be clearly one lane only as far as the lay bys.

Sorry to go on and on but I travel this road every day and it p***** me off every time I go on it ! :rant: :rant: :rant:

Seen the fools go down the centre chevrons regular. One way of stopping them would be to have two overhead gantries positioned on there like the Stocksbridge by pass. Then they can be photographed and done.

What they should have done is built a proper duel carrigeway - there's plenty of room.

Wonder why they didn't? :confused:

Originally posted by desy
......One way of stopping them would be to have two overhead gantries positioned on there like the Stocksbridge by pass. Then they can be photographed and done.

In other words.....

Originally posted by Ginner
Improvements?....
For a start, if ever a section of road required a SPECS speed trap, this is it.

;)

I'm with Andy on this one, why on earth didn't they just build a dual carriageway to start off with?

I used to travel this road daily and now I don't - i'm glad. It is an accident waiting to happen. There are often accidents on this road so why aren't there any speed cameras? The way some of them belt up and down there you'd think there pants were on fire!

I hate this road too! Why not even make one side 2 carriageways? I hate the t*ssers who drive right down the centre regardless. Wow, you can drive faster then me? Do I care?!

I worked with someone who was involved in an accident there wher the other person was killed. Overtaking on that bend, just past/before the little roundabout. It really needs looking into.

I suppose they could easily have three lanes and alternate the use of the middle lane (with plenty of overhead indicators) so that there's two lanes in a morning and two lanes in the evening, to help with the traffic flow?

just drove back down there, and I can confirm that the centre is not chevrons, it's hatching, and the bordering line is not solid, it's broken.

No road neads a SPECS speed trap. People spend all their time making sure the needle never goes above 60 mph and fail to look in front/behind etc so the standard of driving drops because people have to be so careful to not go too fast and get 3 points on their liscence. Speed cameras = waste of time. If it is safe to overtake - do so. Too much emphasis is based on speed whereas driving 5 metres behind someone is much more dangerous than going slightly above the speed limit

I also dont think SPECS will solve it. The mobile van is often on here.

It is wide enough for three lanes and each side of the road should have equally have two lanes for the length.

But i use the road all the time and i admit to overtaking sometimes over the chevrons. I dont do it on the bend and keep it to the main stretch. Why?? Because of either the Tractors that use this stretch or the people who think they are driving a tractor.

Isn't in funny that when you look at the driver of the car you are overtaking, you can always put them into certain categories (of which i'll not go into!)

Originally posted by Hels
Obviously if there is a very slow moving vehicle in front, and it's safe to overtake then fair enough, but how often does this happen?

I used to come home from work this way and every single day a JCB used to be on there, tootling along at 20mph. If you didn't get to the Parkway roundabout at Bounden Housteads by 4.45pm you were guaranteed to be stuck behind it to Crystal Peaks.