In my opinion, they are the ones where the Super Tram cuts across the road at the top of Ridgeway Road towards Manor Top.

Yes it makes sense to stop 10 to 20 cars to allow a vitually empty Super Tram through as a priority... ???? :huh:

But these lights still change to red all through the day and night.... why ...??

Even at 4 in the morning they still hold you there for ages for no reason what so ever, the nearest tram must be miles away in a shed or where ever they live

SO I THROW THE FLOOR OPEN FOR YOUR SIMILAR SUGGESTIONS AND WHY THEY ARE POINTLESS. :thumbsup:

Also the ones at the university tram stop cause alot of traffic build up and make it hard to get around.

I think theres to many on derek dooley way anorl.

The bus gate on Burngreave Road. (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Burngreave+Rd,+Norton,+Sheffield+S3,+United+King dom&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=16.135991,46.582031&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=FSS_LgMdp67p_w&split=0&ll=53.394948,-1.462297&spn=0.015866,0.04549&t=h&z=15&iwloc=addr&layer=c&cbll=53.395052,-1.462409&panoid=fB3ZSl07qbAUMlfErLtL4w&cbp=12,138.13988281700895,,0,5.764150943396205)

What a complete waste of time and money. It delays both cars and buses on its seemingly random cycle (probably because the bus stop is too close to the sensor so as a bus approaches the lights turn green for it, but the bus stops anyway).

Completely unecessary.

Probably the ones at Broomhill at the junction of A57/Fulwood Road. If you want to go straight on you can't.

The ones at the University (near the tramstop) are an absolute pain, and probably account for the major holdups in this area. (how many crossing points does a student need when getting off the tram? :huh:)

The bus gate on Burngreave Road. (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Burngreave+Rd,+Norton,+Sheffield+S3,+United+King dom&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=16.135991,46.582031&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=FSS_LgMdp67p_w&split=0&ll=53.394948,-1.462297&spn=0.015866,0.04549&t=h&z=15&iwloc=addr&layer=c&cbll=53.395052,-1.462409&panoid=fB3ZSl07qbAUMlfErLtL4w&cbp=12,138.13988281700895,,0,5.764150943396205)

What a complete waste of time and money. It delays both cars and buses on its seemingly random cycle (probably because the bus stop is too close to the sensor so as a bus approaches the lights turn green for it, but the bus stops anyway).

Completely unecessary.



And these sets of lights too.

report it on fix my street .com!

Probably the ones at Broomhill at the junction of A57/Fulwood Road. If you want to go straight on you can't.



I have never understood this one. Cos you cant turn right at the top of the road anyway, so your basically stopping for no reason. :S

This (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en-GB&geocode=&q=s10+3hr&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=12.113693,28.125&ie=UTF8&ll=53.376724,-1.50341&spn=0.005965,0.013733&z=16&layer=c&cbll=53.376679,-1.503621&panoid=tftp4tKHYhjuR9o0SHpNwA&cbp=12,252.83880354120492,,0,7.671875000000002) is the most pointless set in Sheffield. As you can see, it's stopped the Google Street Car even though there's no reason why it shouldn't be able to continue - there's no crossing and no other traffic can possibly get in the way. Madness.

This (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en-GB&geocode=&q=s10+3hr&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=12.113693,28.125&ie=UTF8&layer=c&cbll=53.37716,-1.502139&panoid=yfZQl5JOkQNOV3a2L_LQHg&cbp=12,61.53283339195128,,0,28.156949626865707&ll=53.377108,-1.502316&spn=0.008052,0.017252&z=16&iwloc=addr) tiny filter lane makes me laugh also....for mopeds only?

Also, what miserable person has demanded street view images to be removed around there?!?

This (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en-GB&geocode=&q=s10+3hr&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=12.113693,28.125&ie=UTF8&ll=53.376724,-1.50341&spn=0.005965,0.013733&z=16&layer=c&cbll=53.376679,-1.503621&panoid=tftp4tKHYhjuR9o0SHpNwA&cbp=12,252.83880354120492,,0,7.671875000000002) is the most pointless set in Sheffield. As you can see, it's stopped the Google Street Car even though there's no reason why it shouldn't be able to continue - there's no crossing and no other traffic can possibly get in the way. Madness.
Incorrect. There is a crossing, it's on the far side of the junction.

The traffic stops in both directions on Fulwood road because the pedestrians at the crossing were finding the previous arrangement (where into city traffic stopped but out of city didn't unless a pedestrian pressed the button)very confusing and coming into conflict with the traffic proceeding out of city, leading to very dangerous situations.

Out of city traffic gets a green again as soon as the crossing has run through it's cycle. Drivers have to wait a few seconds to ensure pedestrian safety, not a bad trade off if you ask me.

this is traffic lights, at ecclesfield outside the travellers why does the lights stay on red when oncoming traffic comes towards you no need there's no right turn from opposite side of the road drives me nuts!!

Incorrect. There is a crossing, it's on the far side of the junction.

The traffic stops in both directions on Fulwood road because the pedestrians at the crossing were finding the previous arrangement (where into city traffic stopped but out of city didn't unless a pedestrian pressed the button)very confusing and coming into conflict with the traffic proceeding out of city, leading to very dangerous situations.

Out of city traffic gets a green again as soon as the crossing has run through it's cycle. Drivers have to wait a few seconds to ensure pedestrian safety, not a bad trade off if you ask me.



It can't be that hard to press a button, and then wait until the red man changes to a green man.

Also, what about pedestians using their eyes to look around before walking into a road? if I see a vehicle approaching, surely the best thing to do is wait until the vehicle has gone past before trying to cross the road

Are these pedestrians a bit thick ?

There's a few...

Firstly, the Woodseats "traffic calming" lights just down from Morrisons with their "no buses in sight, no traffic in Woodseats but lets still back the traffic up to Meadowhead" philosophy.

Also, the timing of the lights at Manor Top when coming from the parkway. You have the main lights on the top of the hill, then you can guarantee that 25 seconds after they have turned green, the ones 100 yards further on will turn red. Lunacy at its finest.

Also in Hackenthorpe. There is a set of lights that WILL turn green for the side street each and every time a car is within 300 yards of them even though on the main road there are queues 100 cars deep as the lights remain green for approx 20 seconds before spending up to 2 minutes on red to let the single car out the side street. This only ever seems to happen at rush hour. Sheffield's finest in action again.

Incorrect. There is a crossing, it's on the far side of the junction.

The traffic stops in both directions on Fulwood road because the pedestrians at the crossing were finding the previous arrangement (where into city traffic stopped but out of city didn't unless a pedestrian pressed the button)very confusing and coming into conflict with the traffic proceeding out of city, leading to very dangerous situations.

Out of city traffic gets a green again as soon as the crossing has run through it's cycle. Drivers have to wait a few seconds to ensure pedestrian safety, not a bad trade off if you ask me.

That isn't the case. The lights will go to red when there's no pedestrians and the button has not been pressed. Trust me, I used to live up the road and had to go through this every evening on the way home. Infuriating. If it was going to red only when the green man was on then I'd understand why the traffic would be stopped much earlier, but this isn't the case - hence my criticism.

Are these pedestrians a bit thick ?

This is a problem. The human population is becoming too big, and safety measures like this prevent natural selection taking over. By all rights, a lot of people should be dead before they ever get the chance to breed because of their own stupidity. Unfortunately, safety measures are enabling these idiots to live on and have kids - multiplying the idiot gene. Something needs to be done.

That isn't the case. The lights will go to red when there's no pedestrians and the button has not been pressed. Trust me, I used to live up the road and had to go through this every evening on the way home. Infuriating. If it was going to red only when the green man was on then I'd understand why the traffic would be stopped much earlier, but this isn't the case - hence my criticism.

Agree 100%. A pedestrian crossing whereby the lights turn red without a pedestrian in sight seems to be all the rage with Sheffield's planners at the moment.

People from outside of the area who come into town have all commented about the bizarre timing and positioning of most of the lights.

I could probably take this thread up as a career but for now I'll put the following lights forward as the most pointless in Sheffield.

City bound, Old Penistone Road rejoins the A61 dual carriageway. Two points:

1, you can only turn left into the city bound carriageway;

2, the lights are traffic only with no pedestrian crossing facilities.

Add to the above the fact that the motorist's view is unimpeded and that he can clearly see traffic approaching from Hillsborough at this junction.

In any other country and probably another other county, a simple Give Way would suffice. But not in Motorist-Hating Sheffield. You're made to sit at a pointless red light as wave after wave of traffic passes from right to left. You see big patches where there is no traffic in sight and yet the light remains on red. When it does finally change, it's sprint to get through it before it resumes its normal STOP position.

Granted, Hillsborough-bound traffic can turn right into Old Penistone Road at these lights. This could be sorted by closing this junction and sending the motorist 80 yards up the road to the next junction but that would obviously help the motorist so is a non-starter as far a SCC is concerned.

That isn't the case. The lights will go to red when there's no pedestrians and the button has not been pressed. Trust me, I used to live up the road and had to go through this every evening on the way home. Infuriating. If it was going to red only when the green man was on then I'd understand why the traffic would be stopped much earlier, but this isn't the case - hence my criticism.
I never said that it only changed when peds press the button.

In the previous arrangement, traffic into city had to stop to allow Manchester Road to run. Pedestrians who were waiting to cross Fulwood Road (but often hadn't pressed the button) saw into city traffic stop and thought the green man was coming up. They would start to cross and come into conflict with out of city traffic which was quite legitimately running on a green signal. This led to many dangerous situations, I witnessed quite a few and we used to get almost daily phone calls complaining about it. Pedestrians thought drivers were running the red, but they weren't, it was the pedestrians who were in the wrong really, but they were confused by the signal sequence. It was a very dangerous situation and we had to act, so we changed the sequence to make the pedestrian crossing on Fulwood Rd operate on every sequence of the signals. Out of city trafic starts up as soon as the crossing has run it's sequence, so it's only a few seconds delay, to ensure pedestrian safety.

Incorrect. There is a crossing, it's on the far side of the junction.

The traffic stops in both directions on Fulwood road because the pedestrians at the crossing were finding the previous arrangement (where into city traffic stopped but out of city didn't unless a pedestrian pressed the button)very confusing and coming into conflict with the traffic proceeding out of city, leading to very dangerous situations.

Out of city traffic gets a green again as soon as the crossing has run through it's cycle. Drivers have to wait a few seconds to ensure pedestrian safety, not a bad trade off if you ask me.You know perfectly well that was an overkill decision, there's no reason to penalise road traffic when there was a signalled (of all things) crossing. It is a bad trade since pedestrians put themselves in danger by not respecting the highway code.

I understand pressing the button is confusing to people, signalled pedestrian crossings are only new in the UK, it'll take a few years for people to get used to them. sigh, hurray to the pencil pushers.

What about those motorists who, in effect, run a red light, only to come to a halt at the repeater set of lights (which is of course, also showing red)?

Two candidates are the set outside the Children's Hospital, Broomhill bound (Wilkinson Street and Weston Bank). Right hand, Broomhill only lane. Lights change to red but motorists are either fully or halfway through yet grind to a halt at the pedestrian crossing.

And, the set we're talking about largely here: Fulwood Road leading into Manchester Road, Crosspool bound. Again, the amount of motorists I've seen come to a halt at what is the pedestrian set of lights and not the traffic controlling set ten yards prior. There isn't even any wait 'stop' lines yet they stop thinking they're at a pedestrian crossing!

Rid the streets of the uneducated and we'd all be happier.

It can't be that hard to press a button, and then wait until the red man changes to a green man.

Also, what about pedestians using their eyes to look around before walking into a road? if I see a vehicle approaching, surely the best thing to do is wait until the vehicle has gone past before trying to cross the road

Are these pedestrians a bit thick ?

People are people and they easily get confused. It's very easy to say that they should press the button and yes they should. BUT, they didn't and a very dangerous situation was occurring on a very regular basis, we couldn't let it continue.

Pedestrians are very vulnerable and we had to act to protect them. Would you like to explain to the relatives of someone who is killed or injured that you could have acted to prevent it, but did nothing?

A few seconds delay is a small price to ensure people's safety.

The right hand lights on Abbeydale Road at the junction with Bedale Road, nominated by the public after request by SCC and ignored; nice.People are people and they easily get confused. It's very easy to say that they should press the button and yes they should. BUT, they didn't and a very dangerous situation was occurring on a very regular basis, we couldn't let it continue.

Pedestrians are very vulnerable and we had to act to protect them. Would you like to explain to the relatives of someone who is killed or injured that you could have acted to prevent it, but did nothing?

A few seconds delay is a small price to ensure people's safety.If "people" didn't pres the button it is their fault for getting run over, people are responsible for their actions. There is no reason the Council should go out their way to protect people who are putting themselves in danger.
If someone was driven over by their own actions, I'd tell their relatives the person walked in front of a car, why? The person walked in front of a car. How patronising do pencil pushers have to be to blame themselves for not preventing someone doing something stupid? It isn't like the proper junction tempted people from legging it over the road. How can you apply double standards like these? Installing signals when they are not needed under the pretence that some people are stupid while at the same time, rebuild an A road, remove segregated paths for cars and peds and claim you did so for conflicting reasons? The delay should not be imposed upon the person who is not to blame, the peds crossed the road sillily, let them pay the price for their actions; it's called responsibility.

People are people and they easily get confused. It's very easy to say that they should press the button and yes they should. BUT, they didn't and a very dangerous situation was occurring on a very regular basis, we couldn't let it continue.

Pedestrians are very vulnerable and we had to act to protect them. Would you like to explain to the relatives of someone who is killed or injured that you cold have acted to prevent it, but did nothing?

A few seconds delay is a small price to ensure people's safety.

Exactly. That's why we should return to the days where a little old man walks in front of a vehicle carrying a red flag and no-one should be allowed to walk anywhere for fear they may have to cross a road and all the nightmare scenarios that could engender.

It's crap and you know it is. I assume from the tenor of your post you are back in a role as council chief of spin?

It's crap and you know it is. I assume from the tenor of your post you are back in a role as council chief of spin?

So saving life and limb is crap is it?

To this day, people in Broomhill come up to me, shake my hand and thank me for making that junction safe for them.

Drivers are not the only road users. PEOPLE are more important than saving a few seconds.

I don't work Sheffield Council, haven't for the past 3 years.

People are people and they easily get confused. It's very easy to say that they should press the button and yes they should. BUT, they didn't and a very dangerous situation was occurring on a very regular basis, we couldn't let it continue.

Pedestrians are very vulnerable and we had to act to protect them. Would you like to explain to the relatives of someone who is killed or injured that you could have acted to prevent it, but did nothing?

A few seconds delay is a small price to ensure people's safety.

To be totally blunt, if someone is incapable of determining that in order to cross the road, they should press the button then they shouldn't be anywhere near a road.

Another nomination

the ones at Catch Bar Lane/Middlewood Road (the one that crosses Middlewood Road to go onto Leppings Lane)

If you time that one wrong, you've had it. You have to wait for all the trams within 2 miles to have passed through the junction before the lights change to green.

When the lights do change to green, only about 4 cars can get through and if the person at the front is slow at setting off, you've had it.

To this day, people in Broomhill come up to me, shake my hand and thank me for making that junction safe for them.


Has that ever happened? Even once?

People are people and they easily get confused. It's very easy to say that they should press the button and yes they should. BUT, they didn't and a very dangerous situation was occurring on a very regular basis, we couldn't let it continue.

Pedestrians are very vulnerable and we had to act to protect them. Would you like to explain to the relatives of someone who is killed or injured that you could have acted to prevent it, but did nothing?

A few seconds delay is a small price to ensure people's safety.


Utter garbage.

Its time people took responsibility for themselves.

To be totally blunt, if someone is incapable of determining that in order to cross the road, they should press the button then they shouldn't be anywhere near a road.


My thoughts precisely.

But we live in a dumbed down society don't we?

I do hope they make the pedestrian crossing buttons out of rubber so that kids and the elderly don't hurt their little fingers.

Also, instead of a silly bleeping informing the pedestrian it's safe to cross, I think the the theme tune to Bear In The Big Blue House might be a better option and certainly softer on the ears.

I also think we could do with more coloured tarmac just to ensure the pedestrian is aware he's making such a dangerous move. Yellow with bright red spots with the words "Easy now, we don't want any bumpsiedaysies do we?" in black would be great.

People are people and they easily get confused. It's very easy to say that they should press the button and yes they should. BUT, they didn't and a very dangerous situation was occurring on a very regular basis, we couldn't let it continue.

Pedestrians are very vulnerable and we had to act to protect them. Would you like to explain to the relatives of someone who is killed or injured that you could have acted to prevent it, but did nothing?

A few seconds delay is a small price to ensure people's safety.



Now I'm not exactly a genious, or brain of Britian, but even I know how to press a button and wait for a green man, as do most 6 year olds.

Are we saying that modern adults have about the same level of common sense as a 4 year old?

To this day, people in Broomhill come up to me, shake my hand and thank me for making that junction safe for them.Dougal managed to master the concept of dreams and reality, can't you?

Has that ever happened? Even once?
Yes, on numerous occasions.

To this day, people in Broomhill come up to me, shake my hand and thank me for making that junction safe for them.

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Yes, and I won 6 million pounds on last weekends national lottery.

The people who thanked you, I assume they had the intelligence of a golf ball :D

My thoughts precisely.

But we live in a dumbed down society don't we?

I do hope they make the pedestrian crossing buttons out of rubber so that kids and the elderly don't hurt their little fingers.

Also, instead of a silly bleeping informing the pedestrian it's safe to cross, I think the the theme tune to Bear In The Big Blue House might be a better option and certainly softer on the ears.

I also think we could do with more coloured tarmac just to ensure the pedestrian is aware he's making such a dangerous move. Yellow with bright red spots with the words "Easy now, we don't want any bumpsiedaysies do we?" in black would be great.

Steady now, that song could well offend someone.

What get's me is when there is a pedestrian crossing, but some numpty decides to cross approx 20 yards further down the road and is angered when vehicles don't stop to let them cross.

The right hand lights on Abbeydale Road at the junction with Bedale Road, nominated by the public after request by SCC and ignored; nice.
Uh - they've gone. I assumed it was something to do with traffic management for the new Tesco Express, rather than some kind of traffic-light X Factor vote, but either way, those lights are gone.

[mbatey]

So saving life and limb is crap is it?

To this day, people in Broomhill come up to me, shake my hand and thank me for making that junction safe for them.

Drivers are not the only road users. PEOPLE are more important than saving a few seconds.

I don't work Sheffield Council, haven't for the past 3 years.

I am with you on this. Those people who are surounded by metal can wait a few more minutes for people who want to walk around. Many of our current problems are at least partly caused by people driving everywhere, and walking being something only teenagers do. For example, smaller children aren't allowed to walk because the roads are dangerous to cross, and teenagers are the only ones "hanging about" only because nobody else walks.

Now I'm not exactly a genious, or brain of Britian, but even I know how to press a button and wait for a green man, as do most 6 year olds.

Are we saying that modern adults have about the same level of common sense as a 4 year old?

You can write all the glib comments you like.

Try, like I did, sitting at the side of the road on a daily basis, watching people very narrowly avoiding getting hit by passing vehicles and once you'd tried all the available means to get them to press the button and the situations were still ocuring, you'd reach the same inescapable conclusion that I did. That the signal sequence was confusing people, the probability of people getting injured or worse was very high and something had to change to ensure the safety of the public.

You'd also probably be the first one to shout "corporate manslaughter" if someone was killed and it became known that Council Officers were aware of the problem and hadn't acted.

I am with you on this. Those people who are surounded by metal can wait a few more minutes for people who want to walk around. Many of our current problems are at least partly caused by people driving everywhere, and walking being something only teenagers do. For example, smaller children aren't allowed to walk because the roads are dangerous to cross, and teenagers are the only ones "hanging about" only because nobody else walks.

That's not really an argument for making traffic stop when there's not a pedestrian in site though, is it?

Utter garbage.

Its time people took responsibility for themselves.

Yes, it's all very well and easy making glib comments.

These are REAL people who REALLY get hurt or die when they collide with moving vehicles.

Would you be saying the same if it was YOUR child, partner or relative who'd been injured or worse?

That's not really an argument for making traffic stop when there's not a pedestrian in site though, is it?

People were confused by the inconsistency of the signal sequence, which led to an unsafe situation.

What is more valuable, a few seconds of your time now and again, or saving a life / saving someone from being maimed?

Yes, it's all very well and easy making glib comments.

These are REAL people who REALLY get hurt or die when they collide with moving vehicles.

Would you be saying the same if it was YOUR child, partner or relative who'd been injured or worse?

I'm still not accepting this to be fair.

If a lorry is coming at you its basic human instinct to wait for it to pass. If someone decides that just as you are approaching them they will step out into the middle of the road its entirely their fault. Then, the perfectly innocent driver has to live with the fact he has run someone over.

If pressing this complicated button is beyond some people, then why not have a designated crossing instead of traffic lights that turn red for no other reason than to infuriate drivers?

The bus gate on Burngreave Road. (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Burngreave+Rd,+Norton,+Sheffield+S3,+United+King dom&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=16.135991,46.582031&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=FSS_LgMdp67p_w&split=0&ll=53.394948,-1.462297&spn=0.015866,0.04549&t=h&z=15&iwloc=addr&layer=c&cbll=53.395052,-1.462409&panoid=fB3ZSl07qbAUMlfErLtL4w&cbp=12,138.13988281700895,,0,5.764150943396205)

What a complete waste of time and money. It delays both cars and buses on its seemingly random cycle (probably because the bus stop is too close to the sensor so as a bus approaches the lights turn green for it, but the bus stops anyway).

Completely unecessary.


couldnt agree more, why was that needed in the first place? why cant the bus just set off like anywhere else?

I'm still not accepting this to be fair.

If a lorry is coming at you its basic human instinct to wait for it to pass. If someone decides that just as you are approaching them they will step out into the middle of the road its entirely their fault. Then, the perfectly innocent driver has to live with the fact he has run someone over.

If pressing this complicated button is beyond some people, then why not have a designated crossing instead of traffic lights that turn red for no other reason than to infuriate drivers?

What do you mean "designated" crossing?

There is a signal controlled crossing with red/green man signals on Fulwood Road at this junction. People were corssing at the crossing when these incidents occurred. People saw the into city traffic stop and incorrectly thought that the button had already been pressed and traffic in both directions would stop.

Yes any collisions would have been the fault of the pedestrian. However, this doen't take away the very real impacts for all concerned. Public officials like myself have to have due regard for the safety of the public. That's why the signals operate as they do, because it's SAFE.

Yes, it's all very well and easy making glib comments.

These are REAL people who REALLY get hurt or die when they collide with moving vehicles.

Would you be saying the same if it was YOUR child, partner or relative who'd been injured or worse?

Not to mention if they were the driver involved in such an accident.

Even if it was not the driver's fault, hitting a pedestrian must be a traumatic experience. How would they feel seeing a person smash against their windscreen and possibly die in front of them.

Even at a very crass level, think of the disruption to their life while they and their car are investigated by the police. Who would arrange and pay for their car to be fixed?

Of course, that's not taking into account the effect on the possible widow/widower; possibly orphaned children; bereaved parents; friends; employers; etc.

And then there's the emergency services that could be doing something elsewhere; the hospital that could be using its resources for something else; and the financial cost to society of a fatal RTA - c. £1.5 Million.

As a car driver myself, I think stopping cars for a few seconds is probably worth it…. :nod:

You can write all the glib comments you like.

Try, like I did, sitting at the side of the road on a daily basis, watching people very narrowly avoiding getting hit by passing vehicles and once you'd tried all the available means to get them to press the button and the situations were still ocuring, you'd reach the same inescapable conclusion that I did. That the signal sequence was confusing people, the probability of people getting injured or worse was very high and something had to change to ensure the safety of the public.

You'd also probably be the first one to shout "corporate manslaughter" if someone was killed and it became known that Council Officers were aware of the problem and hadn't acted.



Sorry, I'm missing this "confusing signals" bit.

Top of Warminster Road near the Graves Park entrance! All these lights achieve is creating traffic congestion

Sorry, I'm missing this "confusing signals" bit.

Fine, but we don't live in a perfect world where people do the right thing all the time. People aren't perfect, they make errors. Errors involving moving traffic can be very costly.

In this case people were frequently and regularly seeing traffic on one side of the crossing stop and assuming the traffic on the other side was doing the same. It wasn't.

This happened too regularly to ignore, so we did something about it.

this is traffic lights, at ecclesfield outside the travellers why does the lights stay on red when oncoming traffic comes towards you no need there's no right turn from opposite side of the road drives me nuts!!

yeah thats a good one too! and in 4 yards you then have the give way? often sat at red turning left there and wondered why i'm not sat at the give way already

Uh - they've gone. I assumed it was something to do with traffic management for the new Tesco Express, rather than some kind of traffic-light X Factor vote, but either way, those lights are gone.

[mbatey]Weren't they there this morning? Blimmey.

In that case I nominate Spencer Road "I'm a special person" lights near the former junction with Ann's Road.You can write all the glib comments you like.In view of pencil pushers' actions, it is very easy to make these comments, laugh, point fingers and turn pencil pushers' comments to derision.Try, like I did, sitting at the side of the road on a daily basis, watching people very narrowly avoiding getting hit by passing vehicles and once you'd tried all the available means to get them to press the button and the situations were still ocuring, you'd reach the same inescapable conclusion that I did. That the signal sequence was confusing people, the probability of people getting injured or worse was very high and something had to change to ensure the safety of the public.That leads me to believe someone hasn't got everything right in their head; attempting to cross a road without looking for traffic and without using facilities provided. What you are describing is people chancing it and loosing; being complete idiots.You'd also probably be the first one to shout "corporate manslaughter" if someone was killed and it became known that Council Officers were aware of the problem and hadn't acted.We would but telling Council they should still run those awareness courses for six year olds and them Charlie Says ads on the telly.There is a signal controlled crossing with red/green man signals on Fulwood Road at this junction. People were corssing at the crossing when these incidents occurred. People saw the into city traffic stop and incorrectly thought that the button had already been pressed and traffic in both directions would stop.

Yes any collisions would have been the fault of the pedestrian. However, this doen't take away the very real impacts for all concerned. Public officials like myself have to have due regard for the safety of the public. That's why the signals operate as they do, because it's SAFE.so you are after all acknowledging the fault is entirely with pedestrians risking their life? In any case, weren't you whinging about drivers driving through red lights? Surely they still do? We need to start electing officials in Council departments as well as the inept in charge of them

Sorry, I'm missing this "confusing signals" bit.

When standing at a signal controlled crossing, most people assume that when traffic on one approach stops, traffic on the other approach will do the same. In this case sometimes it did, sometimes it didn't.

Traffic on Fulwood Road into city had to stop as part of the normal signal sequence, in order to allow Manchester Road traffic to run. Only when a pedestrian pressed the button on the crossing on Fulwood Road did traffic in both directions on Fulwood Road stop.

When people are frequently and regularly making an incorrect assumption, which then compromises their safety and others, it is my duty as a public servant to ensure the safety of the public. I tried to do that in every way possible which didn't inconvenience motorists or cause delays, it didn't work. So, it transpired that the only safe way was to make sure traffic in both directions stopped at the same time, irrespective of whether there was a pedestrian push button demand or not. That is a safe arrangement, but delays out of city motorists by literally a few seconds while the crossing runs it's sequence.

You've got to hand it to Planner. Each time he/she comes onto this forum they are faced with a torrent of abuse and criticism, think most people would just walk away!

In view of pencil pushers' actions, it is very easy to make these comments, laugh, point fingers and turn pencil pushers' comments to derision.
It says a lot about you that you find genuine efforts to ensure public safety a matter for derision.

When people are frequently and regularly making an incorrect assumption, which then compromises their safety and others, it is my duty as a public servant to ensure the safety of the public. I tried to do that in every way possible which didn't inconvenience motorists or cause delays, it didn't work. So, it transpired that the only safe way was to make sure traffic in both directions stopped at the same time, irrespective of whether there was a pedestrian push button demand or not. That is a safe arrangement, but delays out of city motorists by literally a few seconds while the crossing runs it's sequence.As a public servant your duty is to leave the office at dinner time on Fridays and put your meal on expenses. You took the easiest, laziest most inappropriate decision based on inappropriate behaviour. You're so rubbish it's unbelievable.It says a lot about you that you find genuine efforts to ensure public safety a matter for derision.Point you are missing is I don't believe you and your colleagues are making any efforts at all.You've got to hand it to Planner. Each time he/she comes onto this forum they are faced with a torrent of abuse and criticism, think most people would just walk away!Damn

When standing at a signal controlled crossing, most people assume that when traffic on one approach stops, traffic on the other approach will do the same. In this case sometimes it did, sometimes it didn't.

Traffic on Fulwood Road into city had to stop as part of the normal signal sequence, in order to allow Manchester Road traffic to run. Only when a pedestrian pressed the button on the crossing on Fulwood Road did traffic in both directions on Fulwood Road stop.

When people are frequently and regularly making an incorrect assumption, which then compromises their safety and others, it is my duty as a public servant to ensure the safety of the public. I tried to do that in every way possible which didn't inconvenience motorists or cause delays, it didn't work. So, it transpired that the only safe way was to make sure traffic in both directions stopped at the same time, irrespective of whether there was a pedestrian push button demand or not. That is a safe arrangement, but delays out of city motorists by literally a few seconds while the crossing runs it's sequence.


Then why not just put signs up saying look both ways like at the top of commercial street (if this is still the case) and the one at herries road/Barnsley Road jusnction at firvale? the latter says something about masked moving traffic i think

As a public servant your duty is to leave the office at dinner time on Fridays and put your meal on expenses. You took the easiest, laziest most inappropriate decision based on inappropriate behaviour. You're so rubbish it's unbelievable.Point you are missing is I don't believe you and your colleagues are making any efforts at all.

For your information I don't leave the office till 7 or 8pm most nights including Fridays and often I get lunch at around 5pm if at all.

Were you there, did you see how much effort myself and colleagues put into finding a solution? Every single potential solution was examined and a number were tried. the one adopted was the most effective.

You haven't got a clue.

Then why not just put signs up saying look both ways like at the top of commercial street (if this is still the case) and the one at herries road/Barnsley Road jusnction at firvale? the latter says something about masked moving traffic i think

We put up signs saying cross only with green man. Didn't work.

People weren't looking at the push buttons or the green man, they were looking at traffic, which had stopped on one side.

I think the biggest issue here is how retarded people in that area seem to be!

We put up signs saying cross only with green man. Didn't work.

People weren't looking at the push buttons or the green man, they were looking at traffic, which had stopped on one side.

So howcome the big blue signs "look both ways" on Commercial street seem to work?

lets adopt the American Jay Walking laws

Jaywalking is an informal term used to refer to illegal or reckless pedestrian crossing of a roadway. Examples include a pedestrian crossing between intersections (outside a crosswalk, marked or unmarked) without yielding to drivers and starting to cross a crosswalk at a signalized intersection without waiting for a permissive indication to be displayed. In the United States, state statutes generally reflect the Uniform Vehicle Code in requiring drivers to yield the right of way to a pedestrians at crosswalks; at other locations, crossing pedestrians are either required to yield to drivers or, under some conditions, are prohibited from crossing.

Its about time prats in the planning office realised:
The CAR Is KING pedestrians are legitimate targets.
I pay road tax, they don't I have more of a claim to use the road than what they do. Cars first pedestrians second.



and all Cyclist should be banned or hanged



Bring on the flaming!

this is traffic lights, at ecclesfield outside the travellers why does the lights stay on red when oncoming traffic comes towards you no need there's no right turn from opposite side of the road drives me nuts!!

I think there was an answer to this in a previous thread. Something about there only being money available to redesign the junction if it included a bicycle priority lane (or something similar). So they did this and ended up with it how it is now. I don't know how long ago this was or what the junction was like previously though.

The ones near here at Mill Lane, The Common and Nether Lane junction are annoying too. The sequencing doesn't seem very good at certain times of day. You end up with lines of traffic on Mill Lane and Nether Lane and nothing on The Common.

There is too much traffic in Ecclesfield for the size of roads, Mill Lane, Church Street etc. Not sure if anything could be done about it though, it is fairly close to the M1 and used as a route to the A61.

just thought I'd add as a pedestrian, if you see stopped traffic, you'll assume that it's safe to cross, especially when your in a rush - and I guarantee 95% of pedestrians are the same - if you get to a crossing that looks like it's stopped, why push the button?

Admittedly, if you know the area or the signals then you'll know where theres lanes which are let out seperately (I can think of a few places like this), but overall, stopped traffic means crossed as far as most pedestrians are concerned.

just thought I'd add as a pedestrian, if you see stopped traffic, you'll assume that it's safe to cross, especially when your in a rush - and I guarantee 95% of pedestrians are the same - if you get to a crossing that looks like it's stopped, why push the button?

Admittedly, if you know the area or the signals then you'll know where theres lanes which are let out seperately (I can think of a few places like this), but overall, stopped traffic means crossed as far as most pedestrians are concerned.

Nice to hear from a pedestrian. Aren't we all one of those?!

Anyhow... I agree completely about stopped traffic. If you're stood at a road side and the traffic going left to right is stopped I think it's pretty obvious that you'd probably check the traffic going right to left is also not moving... This just comes straight back to basic common sense and hazard perception. Not really worth stopping a load of traffic repeatedly throughout the day just because some pencil pushers perceived a risk.

just thought I'd add as a pedestrian, if you see stopped traffic, you'll assume that it's safe to cross, especially when your in a rush - and I guarantee 95% of pedestrians are the same - if you get to a crossing that looks like it's stopped, why push the button?

Admittedly, if you know the area or the signals then you'll know where theres lanes which are let out seperately (I can think of a few places like this), but overall, stopped traffic means crossed as far as most pedestrians are concerned.

Following each other like sheep. Because one or more folk start to cross, you think it must be safe to do so.

Sorry, but I've never followed the majority. I look after myself and only when I'm convinced it's safe to do something, I'll proceed.

You see the sheep in Broomhill (largely made up of students). You, as a considerate motorist, hold back at the lights so as not to block the junction and off they go, assuming, wrongly of course, that you've stopped for them

You set off and the stares they give you (assuming they're awake, that is).

Shrewsbury Road Traffic Lights (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en-GB&geocode=&q=shrewsbury+road+sheffield&sll=53.800651,-4.042969&sspn=13.179201,39.375&ie=UTF8&ll=53.375111,-1.461997&spn=0,359.97262&z=16&iwloc=addr&layer=c&cbll=53.3752,-1.461889&panoid=WKZduV540P8hVIHoqeICLA&cbp=12,34.24771904381715,,0,10.289968652037606)

I would like to vote for the tram line traffic lights at the bottom of Shrewbury Road. I have to approach these travelling up the hill 6 times a week, and you can guarantee that at least twich a week they will stop you for no reason whatsoever.

It seems that somebody has wired these up as some sort of joke so that 20% of the time they will just turn red for no reason, stay red for 5 seconds only, and then go green.

It's so infuriating, and on a hill start as well.

I've even seen the odd driver start to ignore the red lights totally.

Shrewsbury Road Traffic Lights (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en-GB&geocode=&q=s10%203hr&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=12.113693,28.125&ie=UTF8&ll=53.376724,-1.50341&spn=0.005965,0.013733&z=16&layer=c&cbll=53.376679,-1.503621&panoid=tftp4tKHYhjuR9o0SHpNwA&cbp=12,252.83880354120492,,0,7.671875000000002)


It's so infuriating, and on a hill start as well.




That brought a smile to my face. What's your reverse parking like?:hihi:

For your information I don't leave the office till 7 or 8pm most nights including Fridays and often I get lunch at around 5pm if at all.

Were you there, did you see how much effort myself and colleagues put into finding a solution? Every single potential solution was examined and a number were tried. the one adopted was the most effective.

You haven't got a clue.Good, you build flexy up.

My clue, planner1 is the result, which is lamentable as always. "we worked hard and the only solution we could come up with was speed bumps or traffic lights" funny that. It's not like I don't stay late in the office either, simply my actions don't have bearings on tens of thousands of citizens, dare I say taxpayers.

All that matters is the end product no matter how long you didn't think of any alternative. You've said it in the past, the only solution you wanted to look into was to stop the traffic regardless of the presence of pedestrians.
you didn't even think of a blinking orange light did you? It has to be red, always red, just like bus gate lights in Woodseats, the default colour is always red.So how come the big blue signs "look both ways" on Commercial street seem to work?It would appear that people described by a some of our fellow users as scum because they use the market have, unlike these folks, mastered the art of not walking in front of a car.Shrewsbury Road Traffic LightsAbsolutely, thes elights are on a cycle despite there being no crossing traffic other than the tram. Because of the tight angle and the slope it is not easy seeing trams come from the station or college so I see why there are lights but if their default setting could be green and only go red when the tram go past every half an hour.

Along with that, can the newly ruined Farm Bridge roundabout lights have some decent cycle so the lights on Granville Road don't create a queue that blocks drivers getting out of Granville Street.Not really worth stopping a load of traffic repeatedly throughout the day just because some pencil pushers perceived a risk.You said it :thumbsup:

I'm going to have to do a planner1 and double post to mention the lights on Corporation Street/Mowbray Street/Pitsmoor road/Chatam Street. Junction remodelled, added junctions, one way streets inverted with traffic crossing instead of passing as it was.
This junction was pure bliss during road works; no traffic jams at all. Lights back up, few million quid spent and the mess came back: awsome work by the pencil pushers!

Weren't they there this morning? Blimmey.

In that case I nominate Spencer Road "I'm a special person" lights near the former junction with Ann's Road.In view of pencil pushers' actions, it is very easy to make these comments, laugh, point fingers and turn pencil pushers' comments to derision.That leads me to believe someone hasn't got everything right in their head; attempting to cross a road without looking for traffic and without using facilities provided. What you are describing is people chancing it and loosing; being complete idiots.We would but telling Council they should still run those awareness courses for six year olds and them Charlie Says ads on the telly.so you are after all acknowledging the fault is entirely with pedestrians risking their life? In any case, weren't you whinging about drivers driving through red lights? Surely they still do? We need to start electing officials in Council departments as well as the inept in charge of them

Re Spencer Road.

You don't know what you're talking about. You have no knowledge of that location recently. I do. I'm quite a fit guy for my age with two of everything I should have and all my wits about me and that spot is like running the gauntlet of a steady stream of traffic, often travelling above the limit.

This world does not exist solely to please the driver. Pedestrians are people...NOT impediments to your daily schedule. :)

Re Spencer Road.

You don't know what you're talking about. You have no knowledge of that location recently. I do. I'm quite a fit guy for my age with two of everything I should have and all my wits about me and that spot is like running the gauntlet of a steady stream of traffic, often traveling above the limit.

This world does not exist solely to please the driver. Pedestrians are people...NOT impediments to your daily schedule. :)Having spoken to you before, I will quote myselfI used this crossing for nearly two years during rush hours and saw no problems crossings. Some people just want to annoy others, this is what this silly money wasting project is all about.SF users will have known me for 6 years on SF, 4 of which with "Meersbrook" under my pseudonym tag. I understand you're a new member.

You fail, once more to read and pay attention, to make a point, similarly to people incapable of crossing Fulwood Road there is nothing preventing anyone crossing Spencer/Richard Road. Instead of telling you once more that that junction is a waste of money, I will link the original thread on the subject, hoping that a re-lecture will jig your memory When will the crossing ruin Spencer Road? (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=4824458#post4824458). what can I say? Hope you get run over despite your new crossing? That's be an excellent way to teach you a lesson, costing taxpayer's money in NHS care for you to get back on your feet and show that money was badly spent on a crossing? "Don't steal or we'll chop your hand off" "Don't cross a road in front of a car or you'll become an ornament" ?

Couldn't you just be satisfied with a balisha beacon? No you have to cross and stop traffic for longer than it takes you to cross the road.

I'd like to put in a word for the traffic lights on Winter Street just before you get to Brook Hill Roundabout. Coming as they do about 3 yards beyond the pedestrian crossing, their only purpose is to stop you getting to the roundabout. Completely pointless and as if to back that up, they're part time. Why do we need a set of lights there? Why not just let people get to the roundabout: you might still have to stop if things are coming round it, but at least you'd get the chance to proceed if it's clear.

the pointless traffic lights to turn right outside the wednesday ground to head up towards the park pub ( along the equally pointless road they narrowed to slow all the traffic down into one lane only to go back into 2 lanes at the top... ) why do i need to wait for no traffic before turning right no matter what time of the day?! but also, they should turn of at least half of all traffic lights in the city - traffic would flow far better. how many times have they been out somewhere - only for the traffic to go better? - lots.

seriously - FAR TOO MANY!!!

People are people and they easily get confused. It's very easy to say that they should press the button and yes they should. BUT, they didn't and a very dangerous situation was occurring on a very regular basis, we couldn't let it continue.

Pedestrians are very vulnerable and we had to act to protect them. Would you like to explain to the relatives of someone who is killed or injured that you could have acted to prevent it, but did nothing?

A few seconds delay is a small price to ensure people's safety.

I find this reply entirely patronising. People should start taking responsibility for their personal safety - if there is a crossing it is their choice to use it or not. either way - they should still look to see if they are going to get mown down. why should the council have to act to stop people being too dumb to look before crossing the road?

the pointless traffic lights to turn right outside the wednesday ground to head up towards the park pub ( along the equally pointless road they narrowed to slow all the traffic down into one lane only to go back into 2 lanes at the top... ) why do i need to wait for no traffic before turning right no matter what time of the day?! but also, they should turn of at least half of all traffic lights in the city - traffic would flow far better. how many times have they been out somewhere - only for the traffic to go better? - lots.

seriously - FAR TOO MANY!!!

Yes, I'd go along with these too.

Whenever these discussions get going there always seems to be an undercurrent of motorists v pedestrians.

And yet most of us are both. :huh:

I make a point never to get in the car unless I'm driving more than 2 miles, and my car insurance specifies that I drive no more than 3,000 miles a year. So I am more than happy to chuck my hat in the ring and claim that I want to see a balance between driver and walker.

It was whilst walking in Sheffield that I noticed something beginning to happen about 6 years ago. More and more crossings that went Road A - Road B - Green Man etc were being changed to a Road A - Green Man - Road B - Green Man etc sequence. Of course when I'm walking I think this is brilliant, but I recognise that when I'm driving I will find this very irritating ... and I do! :)

I nominate the pointless lights at the bottom of motorway slip roads and their infamous 1 second green phase. You only need some half asleep woman to be in pole position in a morning waiting for the lights to change before putting it in gear and taking the handbrake off. You could be there all day..... :rant:

Having spoken to you before, I will quote myselfSF users will have known me for 6 years on SF, 4 of which with "Meersbrook" under my pseudonym tag. I understand you're a new member.

You fail, once more to read and pay attention, to make a point, similarly to people incapable of crossing Fulwood Road there is nothing preventing anyone crossing Spencer/Richard Road. Instead of telling you once more that that junction is a waste of money, I will link the original thread on the subject, hoping that a re-lecture will jig your memory When will the crossing ruin Spencer Road? (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=4824458#post4824458). what can I say? Hope you get run over despite your new crossing? That's be an excellent way to teach you a lesson, costing taxpayer's money in NHS care for you to get back on your feet and show that money was badly spent on a crossing? "Don't steal or we'll chop your hand off" "Don't cross a road in front of a car or you'll become an ornament" ?

Couldn't you just be satisfied with a balisha beacon? No you have to cross and stop traffic for longer than it takes you to cross the road.

As I said...you don't know what you're talking about! You just highlighted a post to prove it. You obviously have little idea of the location of the school...unless making a purely pedantic point of course. And that would'nt be your style at all would it? :wink:

The bus gate on Burngreave Road. (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Burngreave+Rd,+Norton,+Sheffield+S3,+United+King dom&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=16.135991,46.582031&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=FSS_LgMdp67p_w&split=0&ll=53.394948,-1.462297&spn=0.015866,0.04549&t=h&z=15&iwloc=addr&layer=c&cbll=53.395052,-1.462409&panoid=fB3ZSl07qbAUMlfErLtL4w&cbp=12,138.13988281700895,,0,5.764150943396205)

What a complete waste of time and money. It delays both cars and buses on its seemingly random cycle (probably because the bus stop is too close to the sensor so as a bus approaches the lights turn green for it, but the bus stops anyway).

Completely unecessary.
Completely agree.

But oh what fun when you and five other motorists have been sitting there waiting at the red only for a private hire - less fare - to cruise past you only to be stopped as the bus lane lights go red. You just know that nobody's going to let him swap lanes as you and the other - now 15 - cars close ranks to stop the flash git getting into the lane he was too good for seconds earlier. :thumbsup:

I think there was an answer to this in a previous thread. Something about there only being money available to redesign the junction if it included a bicycle priority lane (or something similar). So they did this and ended up with it how it is now. I don't know how long ago this was or what the junction was like previously though.

The ones near here at Mill Lane, The Common and Nether Lane junction are annoying too. The sequencing doesn't seem very good at certain times of day. You end up with lines of traffic on Mill Lane and Nether Lane and nothing on The Common.

There is too much traffic in Ecclesfield for the size of roads, Mill Lane, Church Street etc. Not sure if anything could be done about it though, it is fairly close to the M1 and used as a route to the A61.

I think the purpose of the traffic lights on The Common is to hold up traffic from Chapeltown and Cross Hill so that the Morrison's junction does not choke up.

The cycle priority lane and it's dedicated traffic light have been covered with a bag so you can't see them ever since the traffic lights were put in.

The bus gate on Burngreave Road.

Couldn't agree more. You have to wonder, whether the designer of this one was a one eyed gibbon (which was blind).

how many crossing points does a student need when getting off the tram?

Yet they still wander aimlessly across the roads wherever they they fell like.

And these are supposed to be the "intellectual cream"? Load of bloody idiots, if you ask me:loopy:.

if you ask me.

Good job we don't have to any more:thumbsup:

Would you be saying the same if it was YOUR child, partner or relative who'd been injured or worse?

Probably (if it was their own stupidity that caused it).

I've been squashed by cars four times.

One of those was my fault (walked out in front of a bus after alighting, straight in to the path of a car - yeah, I know :D).

The other three were all on pedestrian crossings, all showing green men!

Bring on the flaming!

Sorry. No can do (I fully back the proposal - two out of the three time I have been hit by vehicles whilst the green man is showing was by cyclists not obeying the stop signal).

why push the button?.

Because that's what your supposed to do.? Otherwise, why bother with the button/green man crossings in the first place?:rolleyes:

I think Sheffield must now be the city with the most traffic lights, i mean what is the obsession with them? you go to other towns and cities and they dont have half as many!

TO be honest I agree with Planner 1.

I can't tell you the amount of times I've nearly been ran over when crossing the road. Lets take Broomhill for example (the lights on Fulwood Road/a57 - the ones thats been a bone of contention)

Lets say I come out of the Bombay Indian Takeaway, and I cross the road, what do I do ? the pelican crossing is a good 50 meters up the road, and I don't want to walk so I cross, and as I do that some idiot driver screeches his brakes and beeps his horn :loopy:

I too, cringe when I see the amount of near misses, many of my student friends have been near victims. I see people crossing the road and a car suddenly driving down the road and performing an emergency stop, I tell you is scary, someone will get killed.

So what is the solution ? I believe there are 4 options

1) ban cars from driving along that road (divert them towards Low Bradfield)

2) More pelican crossings. One isn't enough, its too far to expect someone to walk to the one on A57/Fuulwood Road. The pelican crossings need to be spaced every 10 feet so in effect there would be pelican crossings outside every shop.

3) If option 2 is not implemented, then perhaps the timings need changing. So traffic waits 2 minutes, and then is given 3 seconds before the lights change back to red. people would have plenty of time to cross the road.

4) the road surface/pavement surface, needs to be softer, so if people fall they don't get hurt.


The bottom line is this, there are too many cars and that is why there are the accidents. This week alone I have been ran over nearly 10 times and to me its time car drivers took responsibility, If I want to cross the road, car drivers should STOP.

Another thing, whenever I do use a pelican crossing, car drivers need to be paitient, the other day when getting off the tram I crossed the roaD at the University Tram Stop, and as I crossed the road and my phone went off so I stood in the road and picked up the phone. Idiot drivers then began to BEEP their horns, how was I supposed to know that the green man had changed back to red....... I WAS ON THE PHONE.

There used to be a bit of a problem with the pedestrian crossing lights just above Lidl, on Halifax Road - I'm not sure if it can still happen. On 2 occasions within 3 or 4 weeks, I had to take evasive action to avoid being hit by drivers coming up Halifax Road. In both cases I was coming out of the road at the side of Lidl, and turning right towards Grenoside. As the lights at the road junction turned to green for me, the pedestrian crossing lights also changed to green for me to carry on up Halifax Road. On both occasions a driver coming up Halifax Road, and having lights at red to stop him, must have seen the lights ahead at the pedestrian crossing turn to green for me (despite having those little blinds on them to limit where the light goes) and thinking it was for him he set off.

This was several years ago, and I reported it at the time. I don't know if any changes were made. I've not had any problems since, but I do think it can seem ambiguous when driving up Halifax road.

Some great candidates on here folks, but surely the most pointless of all traffic lights must be the ones outside the Asda at Handsworth on the opposite side of the road. Anyone who gets to these lights must have come around the roundabout underneath the Parkway. All they need to do is take the next exit from the roundabout, and up the purpose-built-slipway in to the Asda car park. Simple. The traffic lights are simply not needed.

I can only think that this must be one of the schemes that the planning guys gave their YTS trainnee to look at.

Some great candidates on here folks, but surely the most pointless of all traffic lights must be the ones outside the Asda at Handsworth on the opposite side of the road. Anyone who gets to these lights must have come around the roundabout underneath the Parkway. All they need to do is take the next exit from the roundabout, and up the purpose-built-slipway in to the Asda car park. Simple. The traffic lights are simply not needed.

I can only think that this must be one of the schemes that the planning guys gave their YTS trainnee to look at.

But isnt that the only exit from the Asda car park? The purpose built slipway is an entrance only.

To this day, people in Broomhill come up to me, shake my hand and thank me for making that junction safe for them.

What a great idea!

After every new traffic-light installation, or road improvement scheme, the person who designed it could hang about wearing a luminous jacket so they can be identified. That way, the greatful populous could come up to them and shake their hand, get signed photos etc. The motorists stuck in the "improved" scheme could wave, smile, and honk their horn at him/her.

Come on planners, don't hide yourselves away. Come out and receive the recognition you deserve!!!!!

But isnt that the only exit from the Asda car park? The purpose built slipway is an entrance only.

I'm no planner mate, but if all traffic coming out of the carpark was made to turn left to the roundabout ther'd be no need for traffic lights

I'm no planner mate, but if all traffic coming out of the carpark was made to turn left to the roundabout ther'd be no need for traffic lights

Just loads of people complaining that they had to go a couple of hundred yards out of their way - and a huge increase of traffic using the roundabout for the Parkway meaning traffic having a harder job getting off the Parkway and probably tailbacks onto the Parkway itself.

And I expect there would still need to be a pedestrian crossing somewhere - not everybody goes to a supermarket by car.

Glad I raised the subject.... the winner is....

wait i have it the most pointless lights in sheffield are in broomhill outside oxfam its worth driving past and observing truly ridiculous

spotted another stupid pointless set of lights this morning!...coming along brightside lane from Meadowhall you go over the roundabout with the forgemasters pipe on it and you have a pedestrian crossing just about on the roundabout itself then in about 10 metres you have another pedestrian crossing outside the post office building, can anybody tell me why there are two crossings so close to one another?? :loopy:

You shouldn't be using the car in the first place?

any resaon why no one walks to work?

I walk to the Universaty, and then have a few costa coffess in the afternoon (and yes I walk)

We need more traffic lights, permanently on RED

spotted another stupid pointless set of lights this morning!...coming along brightside lane from Meadowhall you go over the roundabout with the forgemasters pipe on it and you have a pedestrian crossing just about on the roundabout itself then in about 10 metres you have another pedestrian crossing outside the post office building, can anybody tell me why there are two crossings so close to one another?? :loopy:

Your assessment of distance is more than somewhat faulty

These facilities are about 100m apart.

The first one is necesary to allow pedestrians to get around the roundabout, the second one is at the pedestrian entrance to the sorting office.

People wanting to cross the road (from the bus stop perhaps) to the sorting office aren't going to walk 100m up to the roundabout and then 100m back. Places like this, need to be accessible either on foot or by public transport. People need a safe and convenient means of crossing very busy roads like this.

Roads are not just for vehicles, people walk up and down them and need to be able to cross them safely.

All traffic lights are pointless.....everything should have mini roundabouts and be standard 'Give Way'..having driven around, forgotten the name of it but the town (a new town I think) that has all mini roundabouts and very few traffic lights, it is a breeze....

Your assessment of distance is more than somewhat faulty

These facilities are about 100m apart.

The first one is necesary to allow pedestrians to get around the roundabout, the second one is at the pedestrian entrance to the sorting office.

People wanting to cross the road (from the bus stop perhaps) to the sorting office aren't going to walk 100m up to the roundabout and then 100m back. Places like this, need to be accessible either on foot or by public transport. People need a safe and convenient means of crossing very busy roads like this.

Roads are not just for vehicles, people walk up and down them and need to be able to cross them safely.


The bustop is just about on the roundabout anyway so your perception of distance is somewhat out too whats wrong with walking to the crossing on the roundabout? the crossing there is virtually next to the bus stop! another example of the council namby pambying after pedestrians:rant:

You shouldn't be using the car in the first place?
any resaon why no one walks to work?
I walk to the Universaty, and then have a few costa coffess in the afternoon (and yes I walk)
We need more traffic lights, permanently on RED

We need less traffic lights and all set to GREEN.......walking is for people who have not yet discovered, or worked out, the concept of the wheel....

think this illustrates my point! too much time on my hands!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v692/andyrad/crossing.jpg

The bustop is just about on the roundabout anyway so your perception of distance is somewhat out too whats wrong with walking to the crossing on the roundabout? the crossing there is virtually next to the bus stop! another example of the council namby pambying after pedestrians:rant:

I believe you will find that my estimation of the distance between the crossings is accurate. You can measure it on GMaps.

And where do the people actually get off the bus? At the front of the bus, which will be at end of the lay-by nearest to the crossing outside the sorting office.

People do not want to walk in the opposite direction to where they are going just to be able to cross the road safely.

Pedestrians are vulnerable, they need safe places to cross. Encouraging people to walk and use public transport eases congestion. Walking is also good healthy exercise, so it's entirely appropriate (and in accordance with Government Policy) that the Council provides suitable infrastructure to facillitate good walking routes.

The bustop is just about on the roundabout anyway so your perception of distance is somewhat out too whats wrong with walking to the crossing on the roundabout? the crossing there is virtually next to the bus stop! another example of the council namby pambying after pedestrians:rant:

How many pedestrians have you seen actually walking in that area anyway?? and why wouldnt ONE crossing do halfway between the two? how much does a pedestrian crossing cost these days? surely our council tax could have been better spent here?

I believe you will find that my estimation of the distance between the crossings is accurate. You can measure it on GMaps.

And where do the people actually get off the bus? At the front of the bus, which will be at end of the lay-by nearest to the crossing outside the sorting office.

People do not want to walk in the opposite direction to where they are going just to be able to cross the road safely.

Pedestrians are vulnerable, they need safe places to cross. Encouraging people to walk and use public transport eases congestion. Walking is also good healthy exercise, so it's entirely appropriate (and in accordance with Government Policy) that the Council provides suitable infrastructure to facillitate good walking routes.


Well if walking was such good exercise why can they not walk a bus length?? C'mon your argument cant really stand up can it? if that was the case that some poor pedestrian had to walk the length of a bus then we need crossings every 30 foot (the length of an average bus) if they choose to cross a busy road and get knocked down then its their silly fault!:loopy:

How many pedestrians have you seen actually walking in that area anyway?? and why wouldnt ONE crossing do halfway between the two? how much does a pedestrian crossing cost these days? surely our council tax could have been better spent here?

Can't say I've ever had to stop at the one outside the sorting office. If it doesn't get huge amounts of use, what's your objection to it in traffic congestion terms? It only changes if a pedestrian pushes the button.

The one at the roundabout is part of the signal installation which controls the roundabout and will have been put in at the same time as the roundabout.

The other one was, I believe, installed when the sorting office was built, as part of the development. The Council condition developers to pay for such installations.

When the Council does install a crossing from it's own funding, the money which pays for it comes as grant from the Government, so none of these installations were paid for from Council Tax.

Well if walking was such good exercise why can they not walk a bus length?? C'mon your argument cant really stand up can it? if that was the case that some poor pedestrian had to walk the length of a bus then we need crossings every 30 foot (the length of an average bus) if they choose to cross a busy road and get knocked down then its their silly fault!:loopy:

You're forgetting that some people are old, infirm, disabled, blind, have very young children with them etc etc. The Council has to consider the needs of ALL people, not just car drivers.By having a crosing right outside the location where people want to cross, the Council is promoting accessibility for all. Crossings just give pedestrians a few seconds to cross safely and do not cause major traffic delays.

If people get killed or injured in road collisions, it reflects badly on government targets for casualty reduction and funding gets cut. Callous disregard for the very real impacts of road collisions (on victims, drivers, families, friends, colleagues, the economy etc etc) does not reflect well on your arguments.

I know i'm never gonna get you to see why its so silly having two crossings in such close proximity you think you need to wrap people up in cotton wool

You're forgetting that some people are old, infirm, disabled, blind, have very young children with them etc etc. The Council has to consider the needs of ALL people

well i for one have never seen a Blind disabled postie who takes his/her kids to work!:D

I know i'm never gonna get you to see why its so silly having two crossings in such close proximity you think you need to wrap people up in cotton wool

That's because it isn't "silly". It's about promoting walking and public transport as viable alternatives to the car, for that to apply you need to have plenty of convenient, safe crossing opportunities.

So, if the opportunity arises, at no cost to the Council, to have an additional crossing on a busy main road, right outside a place which numerous people will want to visit, you're saying they should turn down the opportunity because people should be prepared to walk 200+ metres to cross somewhere further away?

That is not the way to promote accessibility, or get people out of the "Car Culture" which is clogging the roads and leading people into unhealthy lifestyles..

I know i'm never gonna get you to see why its so silly having two crossings in such close proximity you think you need to wrap people up in cotton wool

Helping all kinds of people to safely cross a busy dual carriageway road is not "wrapping them in cotton wool"

i agree with the ones on manor top they are totally useless

Also the ones at the university tram stop cause alot of traffic build up and make it hard to get around.

I think theres to many on derek dooley way anorl.

This is where my vote go's , 3 sets of traffic lights pelican crossings withing 500yds.

There is also the pelican crossing lights on the otherside ( Start Of Western Bank ) where traffic back up onto the Brook Hill Roundabout when there at red ;)

We need less traffic lights and all set to GREEN.......walking is for people who have not yet discovered, or worked out, the concept of the wheel....

Walking is also very useful for people going to the pub. Im sure your customers would have a lot more difficulty if all light were set to green.

This is where my vote go's , 3 sets of traffic lights pelican crossings withing 500yds.

There is also the pelican crossing lights on the otherside ( Start Of Western Bank ) where traffic back up onto the Brook Hill Roundabout when there at red ;)

Please dont drive anywhere near me - those three sets are in no more than 100 yards.

The most pointless traffic lights in Sheffield would have to be these ones (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=street+force+sheffield&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=20.929552,57.128906&ie=UTF8&ll=53.368121,-1.462877&spn=0,359.972105&z=16&iwloc=C&layer=c&cbll=53.367995,-1.462807&panoid=K8lPaOXG4O4g88WWhZfVBQ&cbp=12,292.3000610922374,,0,12.269230769230768).

Digsy - it would kinda helped if there were any traffic lights in the pic you linked to.

Can you please join exmrbd in the visually and spacially challenged I'd rather not share road space with.

Digsy - it would kinda helped if there were any traffic lights in the pic you linked to.

Can you please join exmrbd in the visually and spacially challenged I'd rather not share road space with.

I think you should, take another look, over the wall off in the distance.
Just above the 2 blocks of concrete, follow the tree line if you have to.

Or maybe you will prefer this angle (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=street+force+sheffield&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=20.929552,57.128906&ie=UTF8&layer=c&cbll=53.368472,-1.463406&panoid=JztZMXL6R3h8BpzgCJI8CA&cbp=12,197.87037359223746,,0,6.0114182692307665&ll=53.368403,-1.463306&spn=0,359.972534&t=h&z=16&iwloc=C), where I have cunningly disguised them.

Or you could try this one, but be warned this angle is a bit naughty because there is no entry (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=street+force+sheffield&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=20.929552,57.128906&ie=UTF8&layer=c&cbll=53.368254,-1.463045&panoid=IIR_D_4U_bSZe1ewE13N1Q&cbp=12,226.62818609223737,,0,5.378605769230769&ll=53.368313,-1.463156&spn=0,359.972534&t=h&z=16&iwloc=C) from here

I think you should, take another look, over the wall off in the distance.
Just above the 2 blocks of concrete, follow the tree line if you have to.

Or maybe you will prefer this angle (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=street+force+sheffield&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=20.929552,57.128906&ie=UTF8&layer=c&cbll=53.368472,-1.463406&panoid=JztZMXL6R3h8BpzgCJI8CA&cbp=12,197.87037359223746,,0,6.0114182692307665&ll=53.368403,-1.463306&spn=0,359.972534&t=h&z=16&iwloc=C), where I have cunningly disguised them.

Or you could try this one, but be warned this angle is a bit naughty because there is no entry (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=street+force+sheffield&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=20.929552,57.128906&ie=UTF8&layer=c&cbll=53.368254,-1.463045&panoid=IIR_D_4U_bSZe1ewE13N1Q&cbp=12,226.62818609223737,,0,5.378605769230769&ll=53.368313,-1.463156&spn=0,359.972534&t=h&z=16&iwloc=C) from here


What all this abuse towards Streetforce :o

Its not there fault , they only put the lights where they are been told too :D

What all this abuse towards Streetforce :o

Its not there fault , they only put the lights where they are been told too :D

I'm not abusing streetforce at all, although I do think that dome needs painting, it looks abit grubby.

I'm just pointing out that the most pointless traffic lights are the ones stood doing nothing, thats all, in as comical a way as I could too, just for entertainment value.

They happened to have stacked them in a nice formation that look like little 21st century flowers popping over the treeline, very artistic I think.
And if you take a tour around the compound and look at them from different angles you may find it is very theraputic.

I'm not abusing streetforce at all, although I do think that dome needs painting, it looks abit grubby.

I'm just pointing out that the most pointless traffic lights are the ones stood doing nothing, thats all, in as comical a way as I could too, just for entertainment value.

They happened to have stacked them in a nice formation that look like little 21st century flowers popping over the treeline, very artistic I think.
And if you take a tour around the compound and look at them from different angles you may find it is very theraputic.

The Salt Dome is called " The Giant Tit " by some bus drivers as it looks like one and they wish it to be transfered to First Group HQ in Scotland ( theses a joke in there ) :D

As for pointless traffic lights maybe because our city centre xmas lights are poor this is one way of lighting up the city with diffrent colour lights, all we need is the traffic lights to start playing Merry Xmas Everyone by Slade and were in business ;)

I think they should paint this (http://americanhistory.si.edu/Victory/9116240a.gif) on the dome facing the bridge

That is not the way to promote accessibility, or get people out of the "Car Culture" which is clogging the roads and leading people into unhealthy lifestyles..


Thats such a backwards way of thinking, its all the traffic lights that are "Clogging" up the streets and not letting traffic proceed. the majority of use on that particular road is vehicles. i rarely see any people walking in that area at all.

Thats such a backwards way of thinking, its all the traffic lights that are "Clogging" up the streets and not letting traffic proceed. the majority of use on that particular road is vehicles. i rarely see any people walking in that area at all.

No it isn't, it is looked on as the progressive way of thinking. We are not going to be able to accommodate the increasing demand for car based travel, so suitable alterantives have to be promoted and infrastructure provided.

Anyway, as the facilities we are discussing are crossings which remain green to drivers until a pedestrian pushes the button and there aren't that many pedestrians to dealy you, you've got no complaints, have you?

Thats such a backwards way of thinking, its all the traffic lights that are "Clogging" up the streets and not letting traffic proceed. the majority of use on that particular road is vehicles. i rarely see any people walking in that area at all.

Yep - I'm inclined to agree. Remember back in 2004/2005 when Carlisle flooded? The traffic lights were out for a few weeks in the town centre. In this two weeks, journey times decreased, as did accidents. Removing the signals encouraged people to be cautious and to give way - resulting in tangible benefits for every road user - be they cyclist, pedestrian, bus passenger or driver.

Sheffield council seems to love controlling traffic. There's so many lights where round-abouts and box junctions would have been better applied. The most infuriating use of lights is to control the flow of traffic onto a round-about. How many times do you sit there at the red light with no traffic in front of you an plenty of large spaces on the round-about? Madness. Utter bloody madness.

No it isn't, it is looked on as the progressive way of thinking.

It may have been looked at as progressive in your office, but I think it's obvious the vast majority of posters on here think it's counter-progressive.

This thread does demonstrate again the need to educate more the pedestrian on how to cross the road properly.
There is a limit on how much protection you give people who are just plain stupid and slow. It's natures way of removing people from gene pool.
Planner1 when people shake by your hand your hand isn't your throat. :)
Also I'd be very surprised it happens as many times as you claim as most people won't have a clue who you are.

That's because it isn't "silly". It's about promoting walking and public transport as viable alternatives to the car, for that to apply you need to have plenty of convenient, safe crossing opportunities.

So, if the opportunity arises, at no cost to the Council, to have an additional crossing on a busy main road, right outside a place which numerous people will want to visit, you're saying they should turn down the opportunity because people should be prepared to walk 200+ metres to cross somewhere further away?

That is not the way to promote accessibility, or get people out of the "Car Culture" which is clogging the roads and leading people into unhealthy lifestyles..


People walked for millions of years before the car they wanted an alternative!
The wheel was invented, are you and your fellow chaos planners so far up your own a*se's that you think you can un-invent or impede the greatest invention ever?:loopy:

Teach kids how to cross the road, fine people that walk out without looking or are plugged in to their mp3 or on the phone. Drivers are not always to blame there just the easy target for raising revenue.:suspect:

How about trialing the safe street cross scheme, start with schools teach kids that metal at 20/30/40 mph will hurt when they play chicken or think they have the power to stop a car just with ignorant arrogance.

Crossing the road without due care and attention or in a dangerous manner is just as bad as driving dangerously. It should be made a crime.

and their are cyclist... don't get me started!

I think Sheffield must now be the city with the most traffic lights, i mean what is the obsession with them?

SCC bought a job lot and simply had to use them all (regardless of the actual need):D

The bottom line is this, there are too many cars and that is why there are the accidents.

Wrong.

There are too many pedestrians who have never learned the green cross code and (as such) shouldn't be allowed out in public without a responsible adult.

walking is for people who have not yet discovered, or worked out, the concept of the wheel....

Or your car is in the garage for repairs/MOT/service etc:D

Walking is also good healthy exercise.

Not with all the pollution from the buses/lorries etc that populate our roads these days.

If people get killed or injured in road collisions, it reflects badly on government targets

And therein lies the problem. Targets do not make things better.

Sheffield council seems to love controlling traffic.

It's not only the traffic SCC wants to control. They want to control us all, en-mass.

As I said...you don't know what you're talking about! You just highlighted a post to prove it. You obviously have little idea of the location of the school...unless making a purely pedantic point of course. And that would'nt be your style at all would it? :wink:I'll have to quote myself again Swami:I used this crossing for nearly two years during rush hours and saw no problems crossings. Some people just want to annoy others, this is what this silly money wasting project is all about.You clearly don't live in the area, don't use this road, don't cross this road or you'd realise how wrong you are. I'm not backing down; there is no school on Spencer Road, I know where the closest school is, it is on Anns Road. I know the road is easily traversed, I know there were no issues beforehand. I am pedantic and right, you do not need pencil pushers, sleeping policeman and lights to help someone cross this road. If you are unable to cross a road, don't cross it. It's not hard crossing Queens Road without lights for Christ's sake let alone a B road.You shouldn't be using the car in the first place?

any resaon why no one walks to work?

I walk to the Universaty, and then have a few costa coffess in the afternoon (and yes I walk)

We need more traffic lights, permanently on REDside from the fact you are slated every time you open your mouth. Not every one works within walking distance from work! Listen, pay attention: Not everyone lives close to work. People drive because there are no buses or it is too slow or impractical due to: limitations of bus system and distance. Damn it green god, you've been told, not only by myself that we don't all work close to home and people who live close to town don't all work in town! Damn and you're a coffee drinker. Since you're at university, spell the word properly.Can't say I've ever had to stop at the one outside the sorting office. If it doesn't get huge amounts of use, what's your objection to it in traffic congestion terms? It only changes if a pedestrian pushes the button.

The one at the roundabout is part of the signal installation which controls the roundabout and will have been put in at the same time as the roundabout.

The other one was, I believe, installed when the sorting office was built, as part of the development. The Council condition developers to pay for such installations.

When the Council does install a crossing from it's own funding, the money which pays for it comes as grant from the Government, so none of these installations were paid for from Council Tax.Money spent by the government doesn't grow on trees, we paid for it one way or another. Whether it is directly funded by council tax or through VAT, double taxation, NI, income tax, breathing tax it is still the taxpayer that pays. What the hell is it with grants? building and maintaining the highway is not a lottery, we pay for stuff then the people we elect give us the stuff, if they don't give us the stuff, if Street Farce or some government can't maintain them we point fingers. When the same money is misused by pencil pushers, such as yourself, by installing redundant, inappropriate, unused, unnecessary equipment we tell you, usually by quoting you and proving by A+B you're wrong. It isn't hard, you make mistakes, sadly with our money. How much money was spent on the Inner Ring Road? What a fiasco, so much waste for diverting traffic...You're forgetting that some people are old, infirm, disabled, blind, have very young children with them etc. The Council has to consider the needs of ALL people, not just car drivers. By having a crossing right outside the location where people want to cross, the Council is promoting accessibility for all. Crossings just give pedestrians a few seconds to cross safely and do not cause major traffic delays.

If people get killed or injured in road collisions, it reflects badly on government targets for casualty reduction and funding gets cut. Callous disregard for the very real impacts of road collisions (on victims, drivers, families, friends, colleagues, the economy etc.) does not reflect well on your arguments.We haven't forgotten different people, children are taught, disabled use mini buses or pavements like anyone else, OAPs know better (probably because then money was spent to educate them on road use when they were in school). you keep on bringing collisions, I told you before, how do you avoid collisions? By not having any crossings. If none of the dummies you describe cross the road, they'll never bit hit by vehicles. The road is for vehicles, not for people to prance on it pretending there is no danger.
you know traffic lights are not the only solution, you profess to making it so that people have time to cross, build them a subway, a footbridge put lights that change back to green for the road EXACTLY when the persons have crossed unlike your retarded puffins. Put balisha beacons up which allow pedestrians to cross at all times.That's because it isn't "silly". It's about promoting walking and public transport as viable alternatives to the car, for that to apply you need to have plenty of convenient, safe crossing opportunities.

So, if the opportunity arises, at no cost to the Council, to have an additional crossing on a busy main road, right outside a place which numerous people will want to visit, you're saying they should turn down the opportunity because people should be prepared to walk 200+ metres to cross somewhere further away?

That is not the way to promote accessibility, or get people out of the "Car Culture" which is clogging the roads and leading people into unhealthy lifestyles..It is silly. 200 yards, not metres is not far. You appear to be easy to appease pedestrians, never road users; that's called bias. whilst it may come at no cost to the Council, it still costs the taxpayer. Sure, I'll have a healthy lifestyle and walk 72 miles to the office and back everyday... You are not realistic, just like Green_god, you have a vale in front of your eyes. People use the car for a reason, we have to. People like you force us in our cars because you are incapable of offering an alternative. What can you offer that is available at the touch of a finger, takes us, us alone to where we want to, the cheapest and the fastest; you can't. Beat it, let us use the car before the daft person gets driven over for not paying attention.Digsy - it would kinda helped if there were any traffic lights in the pic you linked to.

Can you please join exmrbd in the visually and spacially challenged I'd rather not share road space with.How about you join the people who don't get it. Off you go to the corner.No it isn't, it is looked on as the progressive way of thinking. We are not going to be able to accommodate the increasing demand for car based travel, so suitable alterantives have to be promoted and infrastructure provided.Let's see how many quotes telling you you're wrong we get shall we?

Yep - I'm inclined to agree. Remember back in 2004/2005 when Carlisle flooded? The traffic lights were out for a few weeks in the town centre. In this two weeks, journey times decreased, as did accidents. Removing the signals encouraged people to be cautious and to give way - resulting in tangible benefits for every road user - be they cyclist, pedestrian, bus passenger or driver.

Sheffield council seems to love controlling traffic. There's so many lights where round-abouts and box junctions would have been better applied. The most infuriating use of lights is to control the flow of traffic onto a round-about. How many times do you sit there at the red light with no traffic in front of you an plenty of large spaces on the round-about? Madness. Utter bloody madness.

yeah Sheffield just loves to put up traffic lights all over the place, The Americans have got it sussed being able to turn right on Red (if its clear to do so)

Who remembers the Green Cross Man?? :hihi:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v692/andyrad/green.jpg

.Let's see how many quotes telling you you're wrong we get shall we?


can someone make this a vote? :hihi:

. Sure, I'll have a healthy lifestyle and walk 72 miles to the office and back everyday...

Agreed! i would love to walk to work everyday but 65 mile round trip would take me all day!

This (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en-GB&geocode=&q=s10+3hr&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=12.113693,28.125&ie=UTF8&layer=c&cbll=53.37716,-1.502139&panoid=yfZQl5JOkQNOV3a2L_LQHg&cbp=12,61.53283339195128,,0,28.156949626865707&ll=53.377108,-1.502316&spn=0.008052,0.017252&z=16&iwloc=addr) tiny filter lane makes me laugh also....for mopeds only?

That junction is poor to say the least and the traffic lights always seem to be dim , you can hardly see them most of the time :rant:

That junction is poor to say the least and the traffic lights always seem to be dim , you can hardly see them most of the time :rant:

There could well be a fault at this particular junction, as traffic lights automatically dim their light intensity during the hours of darkness, under certain fault conditions e.g solar cell failure will allow the traffic lights to remain dim in the day time.

There could well be a fault at this particular junction, as traffic lights automatically dim their light intensity during the hours of darkness, under certain fault conditions e.g solar cell failure will allow the traffic lights to remain dim in the day time.

Ive reported it via fix my street ages ago , the lights are dim at night time as well , looking at them they must be at least 20-25 years old and need replacing ;)

Who remembers the Green Cross Man?? :hihi:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v692/andyrad/green.jpg

yep .im so old i remember David Prowse:hihi::hihi: